From what I understand the pope is warning against 1) autonomous lethal weapons, 2) AI should serve the common good not oligarchs and corpos, 3) Child safety.
He advocates democratic guardrails and legal framework and regulations.
Which part necessitates using Claude Code to have an opinion on?
Nope. Guardrails for corporations, not individuals.
Corporations have to be severely limited and constrained in the ways they can use the asymmetrical power of AI's to fuck over consumers and general public.
If you are still a believer in laissez faire, free market will self regulate itself then let's just agree to disagree. There will be no meeting of minds here.
He advocates democratic guardrails and legal framework and regulations.
The what?
"Guardrails" are not decided by some kind of majority vote, they are imposed by corporations and based either on screamings of activists or unilateral decissions by regulatory bodies.
Where do the regulatory agencies derive their mandate from? Governments. Which, if they are of the nice kind, get it democratically.
So yeah, guardrails are voted on. Indirectly. By a populace ignorant of the importance and import of the guardrails. This happens all the time - for example nuclear regulatory commission.
Are you pretending not to understand the concept of representative democracy to make a point? Or do you actually believe representative democracy is not democratic?
This is decided by agencies that exists completly outside of any public-facing politics. People governing those usually don't get replaced as results of elections.
I vehemently oppose attempt to pose representative democracy as type of democracy. Representative democracy is about as democratic as People's Republic demoracy is.
This is bullshit. In America it's largely decided by the FTC, whose policies did a complete 180 as the result of the last election. The changeup from the previous FTC was just as dramatic.
I admit that my insight to US regulatory bodies is lacking, but I believe that they are leaving AI be at least for now. Currentl regulatory nonsense comes from EU, which regulatory bodies are completly unaffected by any kind of will of the people.
People governing those usually don't get replaced as results of elections.
This used to be a feature, not a bug. Example - institutions like Reserve bank etc worked more or less well with mild institutional corruption until they were blatantly captured by the Epstein class.
The devolution of American politics resulting in reflexive distrust in political institutions is not a norm shared worldwide.
...the letter is directed to corporations and leaders... that some of them create local llms or regulations for them... or produce the gpus and rams you use for local llms...
I analyzed the document using AI. As an atheist I'm not a fan of the theology aspects but can appreciate the concerns on concentration of power and the unknowns that automation may bring. Local models are part of the solution, though hardware costs put that at risk for the average person. Ultimately the discussion of the implications and how to navigate them should be based on reason not theological interpretation. We all know the importance of varied training data to derive generalities, so not sure why we should sample an ancient text for decision making.
Ok but what do you mean by this...these thought tribes are materially different than each other in terms of their threat potential. The megacorp frontier llm providers claiming it as their own are much more evil than, say, civitas
Right got that. I guess I meant more like—what if there was an encyclical about treating dogs humanely—everyone would say, “see the pope agrees with me”, from your average joe to PETA but also like a captive primate research facility—and the encyclical wouldn’t be the problematic actor there.
I am actually kinda heartened in this case to see a non-extreme, non-scissor statement released by an organization with such a large audience. It feels like every piece of content these days is hyper optimized to appeal only to an extreme “side”, rather than something that many sides can agree on. Know what I mean?
Anyway, thanks for prompting me to actually look at the content of the encyclical
Claude and Google would LOVE strict regulation and certification of AI, that is for sure. The stricter the rules, the less of their competition will pass them.
People need to be more informed on automation and automated workflows. They can easily do so by leveraging local LLMs and investing in hardware that can take advantage of it. There is way too much power and potential for someone that’s already familiarized with software, and they would be stupid not to take advantage of it while it’s still nascent.
However; large mega corporations that steal training data than lock away their models trained with said stolen data need to be regulated. Not hyper regulated, but regulated such that their margins don’t let them buy out the world’s supply of semiconductors up to 2027.
it's too late now. they will never regulate them because they would put themselves behind china when they kickstarted their progress. if they only had eu to worry about, it would be fine, but that's not the case, eu doesn't even exist on this map
He once spent like, two weeks in his downtime at his work programming, with limited experience other than being generally computer savvy, a script that automated part of his printing companies production pipeline. I think it was the bit where the design staff handover the finished .pdf (or whatever it is) and then there's essentially a manual process of preparing that for print. Kind of like audio mastering.
But they were printing hundreds of virtually identical real estate signs, so the settings were identical, and the output identical.
He calculated it out, it ended up saving the company like 6-10 manhours a week or something, which is kind of ludicrous, really, for a couple weeks work. He got a promotion from this, and then process management became his entire role.
Now, he can get that exact script made in the time it takes his coffee to brew.
A professional programmer could also have whipped it up in probably an hour. But they don't employ programmers, why would they, they're a printing company. And the programmer needs to understand being a printing company more than he needs to be a programmer, because otherwise he's got no idea where the inefficiencies are or what needs human input.
You could get someone to come out and audit the thing, and set up a bunch of bespoke stuff but then if it breaks you gotta call them, and this concept as a business just doesn't really exist at the scale we're talking. You need to be big enough to justify having a software team on site to justify custom software.
But someone in the business who knows the processes, and also knows enough about computers to be able to accurately tell Claude what to do, and to look over the code and outputs and properly test it, can quite easily start saving their business hundreds of manhours over a matter of days.
And this is like... just the first one that comes to mind in a professional environment. I don't work in professional environments like this but I'm doing the same stuff with em for art and music. I've been testing out working with raspberry pis to make custom midi controllers, and I can make changes to the firmware off the cuff, on the fly. I can just have a vague idea in my head and have it be the output. Like, a custom midi controller is a project that would have taken the better half of a year for me to do five years ago, and it would have consumed so much of my free time. Now its like, something I put together after work in a couple days.
I am genuinely considering getting into installing home automation setups for people now because LLMs just automate all the awful, tedious, repetitive programming. You just get everything on the network and tell it to find it all and how you want it configured and it's just done, I've done it more than once it basically just works. I can get firmware updates to a swarm of LED controllers by messaging my CLI a single sentence (I mean I have safeguards in place but a sentence is all the instruction it needs) That used to be a manual process of type in IP Address, log in, click the upload box, select the file, wait etc. Again, if you were a proficient programmer, you could manually batch this process. But you'll likely need to do an update like this maybe once per device if ever.
I think, what LLMs are ultimately good for, is letting people who are "good with computers" start having a lot more power over their machines without having to learn how to program. I've been deep in computers my entire life, building, setting up, networking, multiple OSes, dual-booting, virus cleaning back in the day, all the good stuff, I just never learnt programming. I learnt guitar instead lol. But now I have the ability to get my computers to do what I always knew they could, I just didn't have the time to learn.
Oh that kind, then yeah I understand. I am a programmer, but that's the kind of grunt work that AI seems made for. I saved a bunch of time making a script in powershell to automate a multi-step pipeline triggering as the company had bad devops to say the least. Could have I done it myself? Yes, but coudln't be arsed on company time
Im Not sure what you’re asking tbh. Examples of tertiary sector productivity tasks that have already been delegated to AI automation? Or examples of AI used in secondary sectors to automate even more intensively than was already the case prior to AI?
k_means_clusterfuck@reddit
I'll read whatever the pope has to say once he's tried claude code
GreenGreasyGreasels@reddit
From what I understand the pope is warning against 1) autonomous lethal weapons, 2) AI should serve the common good not oligarchs and corpos, 3) Child safety.
He advocates democratic guardrails and legal framework and regulations.
Which part necessitates using Claude Code to have an opinion on?
NoahFect@reddit
I know when I need advice about child safety, the Catholic Church is my first stop on the Information Superhighway.
GreenGreasyGreasels@reddit
And remember to get a second opinion from the Epstein class. No effort is high when it comes to children's safety.
a_beautiful_rhind@reddit
Guard rails for thee, surveillance state for me.
GreenGreasyGreasels@reddit
Nope. Guardrails for corporations, not individuals.
Corporations have to be severely limited and constrained in the ways they can use the asymmetrical power of AI's to fuck over consumers and general public.
If you are still a believer in laissez faire, free market will self regulate itself then let's just agree to disagree. There will be no meeting of minds here.
a_beautiful_rhind@reddit
That's kind of the point.. they give YOU guardrails and use the surveillance state for themselves. Maybe I wrote it stupid?
The free market could self-regulate but we don't have one of those for a long time.
AssistBorn4589@reddit
The what?
"Guardrails" are not decided by some kind of majority vote, they are imposed by corporations and based either on screamings of activists or unilateral decissions by regulatory bodies.
GreenGreasyGreasels@reddit
Where do the regulatory agencies derive their mandate from? Governments. Which, if they are of the nice kind, get it democratically.
So yeah, guardrails are voted on. Indirectly. By a populace ignorant of the importance and import of the guardrails. This happens all the time - for example nuclear regulatory commission.
AssistBorn4589@reddit
That's like saying I've chosen Pope by deciding in which local church I'll leave my offerings. You don't vote indirectly, you either do or don't.
Plus, I don't believe guardrails where on any party agenda anywhere.
StewedAngelSkins@reddit
Are you pretending not to understand the concept of representative democracy to make a point? Or do you actually believe representative democracy is not democratic?
This is bullshit. In America it's largely decided by the FTC, whose policies did a complete 180 as the result of the last election. The changeup from the previous FTC was just as dramatic. Don't confuse your lack of attention with lack of action.
AssistBorn4589@reddit
I vehemently oppose attempt to pose representative democracy as type of democracy. Representative democracy is about as democratic as People's Republic demoracy is.
I admit that my insight to US regulatory bodies is lacking, but I believe that they are leaving AI be at least for now. Currentl regulatory nonsense comes from EU, which regulatory bodies are completly unaffected by any kind of will of the people.
GreenGreasyGreasels@reddit
This used to be a feature, not a bug. Example - institutions like Reserve bank etc worked more or less well with mild institutional corruption until they were blatantly captured by the Epstein class.
The devolution of American politics resulting in reflexive distrust in political institutions is not a norm shared worldwide.
libregrape@reddit
~~vibe coding~~
spirit coding
k_means_clusterfuck@reddit
He should make TempleOS 2
PANIC_EXCEPTION@reddit
Terry would either have a massive hard-on for local AI or absolutely despise it
I'm guessing the latter given that Linus has a relatively lax stance on AI use, and we all know what he thought about the Linux project
ddavidovic@reddit
If Terry was alive, we'd know what God thinks about AI.
ActuatorOk7459@reddit
Everething for people, for human
jcdoe@reddit
I don’t think the dignity of humanity is threatened by probabilistic language models. I suspect the Pope doesn’t entirely understand how LLMs work.
ivari@reddit (OP)
He understands how corporations work though.
jcdoe@reddit
So? I can run a local llm. I’m not giving a dime of my money or a byte of my data to a corporation.
If the problem is corporations, deal with corporations. The tech is just fine.
ivari@reddit (OP)
...the letter is directed to corporations and leaders... that some of them create local llms or regulations for them... or produce the gpus and rams you use for local llms...
apeapebanana@reddit
A new foe has appeared.
CHALLENGER APPROACHING
False_Mango_3373@reddit
I dont think Pope Leo uses AI
ddavidovic@reddit
sintrastes@reddit
Aren't these AI detectors like... Barely more accurate than chance tho?
False_Mango_3373@reddit
crazy
jmager@reddit
I analyzed the document using AI. As an atheist I'm not a fan of the theology aspects but can appreciate the concerns on concentration of power and the unknowns that automation may bring. Local models are part of the solution, though hardware costs put that at risk for the average person. Ultimately the discussion of the implications and how to navigate them should be based on reason not theological interpretation. We all know the importance of varied training data to derive generalities, so not sure why we should sample an ancient text for decision making.
PwanaZana@reddit
Pope Leo: "We should not use GPUs to power AI, instead we should use GPUs to ~~goon~~ play Genshin Impact at 120ftp 4k."
KreemPeynir@reddit
Uhhh context?
DrDisintegrator@reddit
#1 official voice of magic man in the sky opposes science. This is news?
StewedAngelSkins@reddit
More like #1 heretic and blasphemer who leads us away from the true magic man in the sky (the one my pastor told me about).
hmsenterprise@reddit
Ok but what do you mean by this...these thought tribes are materially different than each other in terms of their threat potential. The megacorp frontier llm providers claiming it as their own are much more evil than, say, civitas
ivari@reddit (OP)
the encyclical is so milquetoast anyone can see it as supporting their side
hmsenterprise@reddit
Right got that. I guess I meant more like—what if there was an encyclical about treating dogs humanely—everyone would say, “see the pope agrees with me”, from your average joe to PETA but also like a captive primate research facility—and the encyclical wouldn’t be the problematic actor there.
I am actually kinda heartened in this case to see a non-extreme, non-scissor statement released by an organization with such a large audience. It feels like every piece of content these days is hyper optimized to appeal only to an extreme “side”, rather than something that many sides can agree on. Know what I mean?
Anyway, thanks for prompting me to actually look at the content of the encyclical
Not_your_guy_buddy42@reddit
Hey thanks for prompting me to actually go seek out the thing
https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiv/en/encyclicals/documents/20260515-magnifica-humanitas.html
HTML page, nice. I think they forgot the tldr though
Barafu@reddit
Claude and Google would LOVE strict regulation and certification of AI, that is for sure. The stricter the rules, the less of their competition will pass them.
ConstantinGB@reddit
I think it's a based affirmative truth nuke.
Redditiskindasilly@reddit
I am in the camp of:
People need to be more informed on automation and automated workflows. They can easily do so by leveraging local LLMs and investing in hardware that can take advantage of it. There is way too much power and potential for someone that’s already familiarized with software, and they would be stupid not to take advantage of it while it’s still nascent.
However; large mega corporations that steal training data than lock away their models trained with said stolen data need to be regulated. Not hyper regulated, but regulated such that their margins don’t let them buy out the world’s supply of semiconductors up to 2027.
draconic_tongue@reddit
it's too late now. they will never regulate them because they would put themselves behind china when they kickstarted their progress. if they only had eu to worry about, it would be fine, but that's not the case, eu doesn't even exist on this map
sertroll@reddit
By automation workflows, what kind of thing do you mean?
twack3r@reddit
Very soon, close to any tertiary sector process, process chain or productivity technique.
sertroll@reddit
I might have phrased it poorly. What specific kind of thing do you mean? Like, do you have any example?
breadinabox@reddit
To use a friends example, from a few years ago.
He once spent like, two weeks in his downtime at his work programming, with limited experience other than being generally computer savvy, a script that automated part of his printing companies production pipeline. I think it was the bit where the design staff handover the finished .pdf (or whatever it is) and then there's essentially a manual process of preparing that for print. Kind of like audio mastering.
But they were printing hundreds of virtually identical real estate signs, so the settings were identical, and the output identical.
He calculated it out, it ended up saving the company like 6-10 manhours a week or something, which is kind of ludicrous, really, for a couple weeks work. He got a promotion from this, and then process management became his entire role.
Now, he can get that exact script made in the time it takes his coffee to brew.
A professional programmer could also have whipped it up in probably an hour. But they don't employ programmers, why would they, they're a printing company. And the programmer needs to understand being a printing company more than he needs to be a programmer, because otherwise he's got no idea where the inefficiencies are or what needs human input.
You could get someone to come out and audit the thing, and set up a bunch of bespoke stuff but then if it breaks you gotta call them, and this concept as a business just doesn't really exist at the scale we're talking. You need to be big enough to justify having a software team on site to justify custom software.
But someone in the business who knows the processes, and also knows enough about computers to be able to accurately tell Claude what to do, and to look over the code and outputs and properly test it, can quite easily start saving their business hundreds of manhours over a matter of days.
And this is like... just the first one that comes to mind in a professional environment. I don't work in professional environments like this but I'm doing the same stuff with em for art and music. I've been testing out working with raspberry pis to make custom midi controllers, and I can make changes to the firmware off the cuff, on the fly. I can just have a vague idea in my head and have it be the output. Like, a custom midi controller is a project that would have taken the better half of a year for me to do five years ago, and it would have consumed so much of my free time. Now its like, something I put together after work in a couple days.
I am genuinely considering getting into installing home automation setups for people now because LLMs just automate all the awful, tedious, repetitive programming. You just get everything on the network and tell it to find it all and how you want it configured and it's just done, I've done it more than once it basically just works. I can get firmware updates to a swarm of LED controllers by messaging my CLI a single sentence (I mean I have safeguards in place but a sentence is all the instruction it needs) That used to be a manual process of type in IP Address, log in, click the upload box, select the file, wait etc. Again, if you were a proficient programmer, you could manually batch this process. But you'll likely need to do an update like this maybe once per device if ever.
I think, what LLMs are ultimately good for, is letting people who are "good with computers" start having a lot more power over their machines without having to learn how to program. I've been deep in computers my entire life, building, setting up, networking, multiple OSes, dual-booting, virus cleaning back in the day, all the good stuff, I just never learnt programming. I learnt guitar instead lol. But now I have the ability to get my computers to do what I always knew they could, I just didn't have the time to learn.
sertroll@reddit
Oh that kind, then yeah I understand. I am a programmer, but that's the kind of grunt work that AI seems made for. I saved a bunch of time making a script in powershell to automate a multi-step pipeline triggering as the company had bad devops to say the least. Could have I done it myself? Yes, but coudln't be arsed on company time
twack3r@reddit
Im Not sure what you’re asking tbh. Examples of tertiary sector productivity tasks that have already been delegated to AI automation? Or examples of AI used in secondary sectors to automate even more intensively than was already the case prior to AI?
jacek2023@reddit
Wow I am reading religion news on r/LocalLLaMA and they are even ontopic 😄