Anon realices the lack of foresight If the AI industry

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Moose1013@reddit

slavery is illegal unless you committed a crime. Make homelessness a crime. take away everyone's ability to afford shelter. Slavery is now basically legal again!

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YesIam6969420@reddit

The end goal would be universal basic income for everybody while AI does all the work. That's the best case scenario I guess, or AI kills everyone

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nedovolnoe_sopenie@reddit

>he genuinely thinks he is going to be paid

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azraelxii@reddit

This is why it won't happen. At some point tech brings costs of goods down and service jobs pay enough, or else AI worker costs raise to meet human employee costs

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brainmydamage@reddit

Their plan is to let everyone except the rich die, and run their own economy for the rich. Basically exactly what they do now. Look into the k-shaped economy.

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baz4k6z@reddit

Does anon believe any of these billionaires that are sleeping on immense wealth think long term ? Of course not, it's all about the next quarter results.

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doodle0o0o0@reddit

That’s why all these companies are showing massive losses every quarter? Of course it’s for long term. They think if you’re the first to make AGI there are massive gains to be made

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mach1alfa@reddit

they can’t make AGI with LLM, it’s like trying to make a space shuttle when you are developing very expensive kites

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no, but if you have done any basic research of LLM fundamentals, then you would understand that an "AI" model that predicts text will not and cannot be truly intelligent no matter how much money you throw at it, which the industry as a whole seems to be hellbent on trying

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CursedPoetry@reddit

I’m curious what you’ve read? I work in this field and am curious to hear your thoughts

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N1ghtshade3@reddit

No, Yann LeCun is, though, having headed Meta's AI division for the last decade, and has spoken extensively about the limitations of LLMs.

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TheOleicOracle@reddit

Good to know, I'll read more about them.

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Doddsey372@reddit

You do realise that billionaires don't 'sleep on immense wealth'. They are continously putting that wealth to use. Its that which keeps them ahead of others and their own wealth accumulating. They also force the events that gives them opportunities.

As for the short term thinking, I'd at least call it medium term like the rest of us at worst, they probably out plan us all which is why they are rich and we are not. Short term thinking would just get exploited by other rich people who think a step ahead, people who stay rich are not short term thinkers.

Reducing billionaires to evil charactures just misses the point that they are smart, ruthless, opportunists who managed to play their hand at the right time to their own advantage.

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CatBroiler@reddit

So, when AI and robotics get good enough to replace basically everyone, the people who own the AI/robots can just trade with each other. Pretty simple, really

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drdicerchio@reddit

And then we can trade amongst ourselves I guess

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CloudySpace@reddit

I mean damn, we must find a way yo reduce poplation then, or something like that hmhmhmmm how would we do thattt

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CatBroiler@reddit

I mean, we're doing that already in most of the west at least

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wildcard1992@reddit

It's not just the west, lots of developed Asian nations are well below replacement.

China has a TFR of <1 which is lower than any western country.

The global total fertility rate is 2.3 and declining

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Alone_Entrance_1324@reddit

By giving woman rights or what? Hopefully you just want to critic the horrible work culture that leaves no room for familie planing.

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No_Individual501@reddit

So what you’re saying is you want to kill all men? Wow, the tolerant left strikes again! I can’t believe you want to use a tractor beam to slam the moon into the earth too!

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dat_GEM_lyf@reddit

Holy skitzo posting Batman

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Buderus69@reddit

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lucario192@reddit

Bro where tf did that came from

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CatBroiler@reddit

I'm not critiquing anything, sociological stuff is outside my realm of interest for the most part, I'm just saying it's a thing that's happening.

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KnightAngelic@reddit

Average schizoid redditor

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mariojw@reddit

POST THE CAT

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Brave33@reddit

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DragonkinPotifer@reddit

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thewhimsicalbard@reddit

I have a Modest Proposal

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Ggbite@reddit

we must find a way yo reduce poplation then

well seems like someone already working on it **cough cough** war **cough cough**

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CatBroiler@reddit

Unless we bring back Mongol horde style invasions and wholesale eliminations of entire population centres, it's probably not war that's going to reduce the world population the most.

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Thoughtful_Mouse@reddit

People having less than two kids is already doing too good of a job.

We probably need to reduce global population if we're going to live the lifestyle we want to live and not destroy the planet, but we also seem to need to grow the population to sustain the economy.

Kind of a catch 22.

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commentsandopinions@reddit

yeah not enough people to grow the economy is the problem

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Thoughtful_Mouse@reddit

That issue at the forefront of your mind is a big problem, and we need to address it as a society. It is not the only problem, though, and there is some risk in viewing everything in terms of a problem you are focused on.

If you behead all the billionaires French revolution style and redistribute their wealth, the problems in our economic system created by a falling population would still exist, but with bigger numbers on the price tags because of inflation.

There can be two things wrong with a complex system at one time.

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Gheredin@reddit

Almost like an economic system based on infinite growth is not sustainable

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zenkaiba@reddit

Billionaires need to slow down the adoption rate while funding every government known to man to do propaganda for not giving birth.

Cause at this rate the only thing that will happen is their head on a pike. Cause billions of hungry people arent just gonna starve. Theyd rather fight and die.

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Doppel2ganger@reddit

Bill Gates had an interesting idea to reduce the worlds population

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TrueGootsBerzook@reddit

And the execs at the very top are very sure they'll be dead before the economy and environment become a true catastrophe, so whatever they do now doesn't matter to them

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pockets3d@reddit

Self replicating hive mind robot's wil just inherit the earth that'll turn into one big motherboard to conquer the stars.

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brightheaded@reddit

This is as much a race to immortality as it is to financial domination

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Betito117@reddit

It’s like going back to medieval times where we trade grain for services while the lords circulate gold amongst each other

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Alaykitty@reddit

Feudalism. It's been the ultimate goal for a while now.

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CatBroiler@reddit

Kind of, but instead of a King having many subjects, it's just one or two people and their immediate family and social circle.

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Alaykitty@reddit

Everyone else would become their subject. Much like the kings and lords of feudalism, they'd own everything and "rent" it out to everyone else. E.g. you use my land to grow plants, in exchange for 90% of your yield. You get to live off that 10% yield. Congratulations!

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Arthur_Burt_Morgan@reddit

Sounds more like a game at that point.

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Buttfranklin2000@reddit

There's a german SciFi-satire that mentions this concept in a fluff/offhanded comment in one chapter. There's robots that specifically exist to circle money in the economy, i.E. they just go around shopping centers and buy luxury articles to uselessly circle money and make numbers go up for companies, no added value to society.

Maybe this will actually happen, oh boy.

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Havendelacorysg@reddit

That sounds interesting, what is the title?

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Buttfranklin2000@reddit

QualityLand - Marc Uwe Kling

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RodjaJP@reddit

That makes no sense at all, that's not how an economy works

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Eledridan@reddit

Just me and my friend passing the same birthday card back and forth to each other.

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22Megabits@reddit

Pretty close actually. I think Sam Altman himself said AI will create a ‘permanent underclass’ of people, who would be stuck fighting over whatever shit work AI / robotics can’t replace / would be too expensive to replace.

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rhen_var@reddit

It’s hilarious to me that the AI company execs keep saying shit like this and then are completely shocked when everyone hates them and AI

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Buttfranklin2000@reddit

Fuck, I really dig the vibe of cyberpunk dystopias, but if I have to actually live in one I at least want my neon- and rainsoaked megacities and my virtual reality escapism after my 14 hour shift as a replacable worker drone.

As it stands it seems we get all the downsides of those dystopias without the cool vibes. Fuck that noise.

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Icy_Magician_9372@reddit

Turns out cyberpunk isn't even half as dystopian as what's coming for us.

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22Megabits@reddit

We’re gonna be living on the bottom level of a warhammer 40k Hive City

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ErenDidN0thingWr0ng@reddit

Right!? No tech monarchy until I get my hoverboard please and thank you.

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sanchower@reddit

One of the biggest growth industries of the next twenty years is going to be the construction of 12-foot walls with razor wire and cameras to keep the poors out of rich neighborhoods

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thr33beggars@reddit

And we’re going to make Mexico pay for it

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brightheaded@reddit

Robots will do this building smart guy

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Lebowski304@reddit

UBI and pacified masses would be the end goal it seems to me

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Objective-Gur5376@reddit

Kinda what they're already doing. Consumers aren't driving this need for more datacenters and scaling up AI, it's a lot of businesses from different sectors of the industry all jerking eachother off and hoping it all pays off at the end.

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CatBroiler@reddit

Yep, there's an amusing video on YouTube by a channel called Gamer's Nexus which describes the circular economy Jason Huang (of Nvidia fame), has made for himself to make more money from AI and GPUs.

It's interesting link

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FlagranteDerelicto@reddit

Ayn Rand really did have it all figured out /s

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chuckbeefcake@reddit

Bingo. That is how it is in third-world countries. Everyone who thinks it's inevitable that we'll all live in luxury on 3-day weeks needs to go on tour to India.

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CursedPoetry@reddit

Gattaca, essentially

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BadArtijoke@reddit

The people doing this have long made their money when any of that becomes relevant

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Little_Emma06@reddit

Considering no amount of wealth is enough for these people, I highly doubt that

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BadArtijoke@reddit

I don’t understand what there is to doubt especially if you agree to the premise

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SweatyGod69@reddit

A word on shambles ceases to be profitable for them, they need society on life support intact enough to add to their wealth but too weak to do anything about their parasitism

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XDDDSOFUNNEH@reddit

Some serious "It is pleasant, when the sea is high and the winds are dashing the waves about, to watch from the shores the struggles of another" type of energy.

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geekydad84@reddit

Billionaire money is make believe anyway so the AI finds a way to keep up some stupid bubble and the rich keep getting more monopoly money, but are still too poor to pay taxes.

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DVDPROYTP@reddit

Fun fact 10% of American consumers are responsible for over 50% of all consumption. It is definitely possible to have an economy built purely by the rich for the rich and you WILL starve.

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_rapids@reddit

and you WILL join an inevitable popular uprising in this timeline***

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amidoes@reddit

People are so sedated by social media and a bunch of meaningless shit that I just don't see it happening

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LeopoldFriedrich@reddit

Social media only works with electricity, a good that (at least in the USA) will become very scarce in competition with data centers and when people have to decide between Instagram and food, what will they choose?

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Buttfranklin2000@reddit

As long as the meaningless shit is coming. But the problem is, the elites are tightening the clamps more and more, willingly or unwillingly as a sideeffect of their greed.

Maybe nothing will happen. Maybe people will be fed up one day, who knows. As it stands, it feels like it's like with a wifebeater. Dude slaps that woman giving him lip every time, and she stays with him. But one day, may it be the one slap too much, or the slap too hard, or in the wrong moment and he'll find out that she packed her bags and fled the household, maybe even going to the police and fucking his cozy wifebeating life up.

We'll see. But in any case, the future is going to get interesting.

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SolidOutcome@reddit

Won't have a job to pay for data, homeless ain't aurfin the web all day

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_rapids@reddit

This is not the first nor the last time your sentiment will be iterated upon. La lutte continue.

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_noahitall_@reddit

source? that sounds absurd

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emil836k@reddit

Paywalled News article?

Probably the least reliable source there is

Think of it like this the majority of money is owned by a smaller number of people, so the major population of poor people obviously can’t be spending and equally large part of money

Maybe it isn’t exactly 10-50 ratio, but the classic 20/80 ratio is a pretty decent estimation

In any case, a smaller amount of people is owns and runs a larger amount of the economy, regardless of the exact number

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_noahitall_@reddit

Its not paywalled I read the whole thing without paying???

I don't disagree with the concept that people with more money are responsible for more of the economic activity that's pretty evident, I was just calling out that statistic because it felt alarming to me...

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ranixon@reddit

Its not paywalled I read the whole thing without paying???

Some sites have a max number of times that you can read articles for free, then they paywall you

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_noahitall_@reddit

its substack there's a bunch of free substack unblockers

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toorkeeyman@reddit

Feudalism with robot peasants

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lad1dad1@reddit

*capitalism with robot peasants and slave labor

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Resident_Monk_4493@reddit

But what to do with the peasant peasants

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arealundead@reddit

Don't need working class 'peasant peasants' if you have robots, just let them starve.

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toorkeeyman@reddit

Let them eat cake

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muha4004@reddit

*bake them into the cake

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AsparagusTrick1391@reddit

Not exactly a fun fact

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ekobeko@reddit

and the same applies again to America vs normal countries

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Buttfranklin2000@reddit

>Fun fact 10% of American consumers are responsible for over 50% of all consumption

Isn't that a bit "purely by numbers"? This probably just means that they consume the most in moneys worth, not actual consumption. If one dude buys a super yacht or a sports car he probably weighted my whole 10 year consumption 1:1 - but that doesn't actually creates as much worth in form of workplaces as all the small consumption normal people do, i.E. food, hygiene products and all that. Way more companies and logistic lines held up by that than by one yacht.

Sounds like a not so feasible economy for the mid- to long run, only short term...oh wait, shit...

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BrunesOvrBrauns@reddit

Fun fact: although generally more gamey and less fatty than other cuts, it's absolutely possible to modify a cheeseburger to use human flesh.

I believe the French already invented the kitchen tool necessary to make the first cut, it's gravity based and very effective.

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mgalexray@reddit

Ah. The classic meburger cut.

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Prestigious-Fig1172@reddit

I'm not even supirsed. I know multiple people who will spend all money they make no matter what, even when they don't need to.

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Working-Tomato8395@reddit

Meat based problems require meat based solutions.

I don't know if you grew up in dairy country, but fun fact: the adorable cows that give us milk, cheese, butter, and many other products can be butchered for additional food sources?

Steak is awesome. Wait until you try a cheeseburger with bacon

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sleepy771@reddit

More AI

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Atomkekstime@reddit

Because they are starting to realise what they have done...which is fucking nothing important. They focused so much on a worthless second world that the real one just completly died. I am still trying to change that so go watch my kick/twitch streams.

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WannabePokerPlayer@reddit

Proofread your damn caption, how big of a hurry could you possibly be in?

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tkhays_94@reddit

By the time it’s over the mind will be established.

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hornwalker@reddit

Read the Culture Series by Ian Banks. Its a vision of what happens when AIs become gods and humans have nothing to worry about anymore.

Basically we’ll start grafting penises on our nipples and growing extra limbs to play overly complicated instruments to feel entertained.

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macho_gomez@reddit

they dont even want consumers
they just want to keep the incestuous circle of investment going

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RymrgandsDaughter@reddit

They will then trade fake money infinitely. Have you not seen what Elon is doing?

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240psam@reddit

Those interested should read Technofeudalism by Yanis Varoufakis

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danieldoria15@reddit

The plan is to make as much profit in the short term as possible and once the CEO has more than enough they jump ship with all the money as the company is forced to do mass layoffs

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LazarusPizza@reddit

Their plan is slave labor. Think Elysium starring Matt Damon, but worse. Because the shortsighted cunts aren't competent enough to build a floating space paradise for themselves.

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Wiinterfang@reddit

Shareholders don't plan ahead. They want a return on their investment by next quarter and then sell the stocks and fuck off.

Is a crazy system.

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Doddsey372@reddit

A shareholder who doesn't plan ahead gets eaten up and spat out. Wall Street loves a moron who hasn't got a plan as they can take advantage of them.

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hardwood1979@reddit

I honestly believe it is one of the biggest problems facing society, the stock market.

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I_am_lying_for_money@reddit

This kind of thing is an inevitable result of capitalism, the forces of demand and supply act separately and so excesses and shortages are inevitable given enough time.

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sculksensor@reddit

They'll trade with each other. Buying things in general will become a commodity, and their profits wont be hurt because rich people spend more

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drtij_dzienz@reddit

In the near future, affected people will simply pivot to AI-proof jobs, such as the trades, healthcare, elder care, blood boy, organ donator, etc.

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Yeseylon@reddit

I was gonna point and laugh at you for thinking the trades are AI proof, but then it got dark

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danyaal99@reddit

"AI replaces almost everyone's jobs" isn't going to happen.

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BeavMcloud@reddit

What would they do if we all collectively decide to kill ourselves?

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tallnatureguy@reddit

They'd be stoked. We would be doing their work for them.

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DefNotAnAlt621@reddit

anon discovers basic Keynesian theory

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gt_rekt@reddit

Two things:

AI Feudalism: AI companies own everything, people are now at their mercy. This is the goal of people like Elon and Peter Thiel who believe people are dangerous without a ruler at the top.
AI Socialism: With AI replacing workers, the government takes control of the companies and uses the technology to distribute goods to people. The goal is to create a post scarcity world by allocating resources efficiently.

There is a third route with ubi, but it eventually collapses to feudalism since the capital becomes allocated to the ai companies and the rich can drive all the consumption with their excess wealth.

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Only_Excitement6594@reddit

Collapse the State and its taxcuckery

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Maiq_the_liar_23@reddit

Once this happens the billionaires can stop pretending to play capitalism and retreat to their bunkers and islands and have everything they need. The rest of us can burn

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MrKrabsFatJuicyAss@reddit

Pretending? This is capitalism 101. Anything to pump profits up.

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FlagranteDerelicto@reddit

Burn them out you mean?

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SirBruceForsythCBE@reddit

Who will start the revolution?

You?

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FlagranteDerelicto@reddit

Yes officer, this post right here

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tutike2000@reddit

Fun fact: if people are desperate enough for money they'll sign over more and more of their rights.

The plan is mass indentured servitude.

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DumbNTough@reddit

Anon doesn't know that the economy won't collapse. He will still have to go to his job 😔

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velvet_hip@reddit

Congrats, you just invented feudalism but with chatbots. ‘The AI will now assign your bread ration. Please hold. Your call is very important to us.

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Ynead@reddit

Make products aimed at the segment of the population who can actually afford it.

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OfficialHelpK@reddit

Anon just explained the workings of capitalism

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pedrokdc@reddit

See The Expanse: 99% of Earth population are jobless (obsolete) on food stamps, the "Economy" is just Uber Rich and governments selling luxury goods to each other.

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overnightITtech@reddit

The american economy is no longer reliant on your average consumer. Were cooked.

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RodjaJP@reddit

Time to pickup that shovel and start helping with the construction, get ready because someone will pay us for planting some trees in a slope

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TheBlueEmerald1@reddit

The billionaires with their total power will take over as dictators and run a fascist based government.

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soruth999@reddit

The economy is becoming increasingly designed for just the wealthy

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PomegranateHot9916@reddit

their plan is to let you die

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Jet90@reddit

Universal basic income

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GruntBlender@reddit

Why would they do that?

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HauntingObligation@reddit

It's coming, I think, but it won't be the positive socialist feel good implementation I angled for years ago.

Instead, it'll be the boot on your neck to ensure compliance. Civilly disobedient? Critical of government online? Oops looks like your allowance is gone for the month no bread for you.

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EddieHeadshot@reddit

Yeah thats why digital IDs and cashless are such a bad idea.

I used to think it was wacko conspiracy but the way its all lining up proves our overlords literally want armageddon so they can hide in their tropical island bunkers like the bond villians they are

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GruntBlender@reddit

I keep going back to fire as an analogy. Bringing fire into the cave can be a great thing, it keeps you warm, it cooks your food. But the pyromaniac wants to burn everyone with it. So, is it a crazy bad idea to have fire around, or should we just get rid of the pyromaniac?

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HauntingObligation@reddit

Such a bad idea that is seemingly inexplicably (from a democratic perspective) receiving profound support all around the globe at an alarming pace.

Funny, that.

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Jet90@reddit

Because the alternative is overthrowing the government

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rubberjohny@reddit

they'll just call wages universal basic income and make you compete in musical chairs with food stamps and rusty shack as prize (actually the prize is fake but there's no one to enforce rules since they didn't get food stamps long enough

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derp0815@reddit

Look at the companies doing this. Do they look like they're selling things?

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Absolutemehguy@reddit

Pretty sure AI can't just replace everybody, but keep dooming redditor.

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Mahajangasuchus@reddit

Silly Luddite horse, the motor buggy can’t replace all horses, just 90% of you!

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Absolutemehguy@reddit

I don't want to be the one breaking it to you, but what everybody knows but can't say is: There are a LOT of useless people in this world. If you're a basic human rights enjoyer then bully for you, I do not share the same sentiment. The world can do away with a lot of people.

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Mahajangasuchus@reddit

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doodle0o0o0@reddit

What is uniquely human? If we are able to make AGI and develop robotics a lot more why can’t every human be replaced?

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BrunesOvrBrauns@reddit

You're right let's not discuss it or do anything about it

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WhiskeyCup@reddit

Its a rhetorical question, you autist.

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Hard_Corsair@reddit

Anon has yet to discover the Prisoner Dilemma.

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Arstanishe@reddit

it's just the end state. they are running there, but it will take time. And while that happens, they can get profit. oh, what we do then? let's think then

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nerm2k@reddit

Does anybody remember the keystone? It used to be the dream to have robots do all our work for us. The problem isn’t the robots doing the work. The problem is they’d never pay George jetson a living wage to work 4 hours a week pushing buttons.

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UnhappyStrain@reddit

Isn't this what happened in the Dredd universe where so many people live off of welfare that they riot out of boredom?

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kekistanmatt@reddit

Alot of them are hoping they'll be dead before the collapse comes, but the one's that arent are already investing in bunkers and private security.

I remember reading an article were a de urity consultant at a conference was being asked bu tech bro's how they can 'ensure loyalty' from their security so there's that too

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Mooweetye@reddit

Anon thinks that boomer decision makers give a shit about the future.

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AmazingSane@reddit

Anon independently arrived at Capital by Karl Marx

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TheRadishBros@reddit

Your pennies are irrelevant to overall consumer spending. They don’t need us.

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Lyelinn@reddit

I mean that's obviously a stage 2 of their long term goal. First you become poor and homeless, then you go back to being a serf that does manual labor for food and shelter while having no rights

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samyruno@reddit

I saw a stat somewhere that for most companies like 90 percent of their income comes from the 1 percent of the population. They don't care if 90 percent of people have no money or even just die. All they care about is keeping their 1 percent of customers cause that's where most of their money is from. Now obviously this is not the case for everything and I don't know any of the details so I am mostly talking out of my ass but oh well that's what we're here for.

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Reaper-Leviathan@reddit

The ai are the customers using the money they earned from their jobs, duh

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MarcheMuldDerevi@reddit

The poors aren’t breeding for the giga factories. We need robots so we can keep expanding. Robots take jobs from the poors so they can die off now. Now the middle class is the new poor

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Disossabovii@reddit

No one has a general plan in capitalism.

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Prestigious-Fig1172@reddit

Dumbars ideologies allwats fail eventualy

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tetzudo@reddit

Their plan is to burn down the planet to hopefully turn a profit.
They want AI to replace everything because they HAVE to, otherwise everything goes bust and they lose billions

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AsleepExplanation160@reddit

thats not really their problem to solve.

Thats the governments problem and Id wager it'll be something like UBI or paying people to study, or things like that

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