I’m up too late and the idea won’t leave me alone. Mk II Supra 2GR/Prius swap feasibility study.
Posted by boydisboss@reddit | projectcar | View on Reddit | 21 comments
I had a project drop in my lap when I traded my clapped out XRS for a clapped out Supra project. It was a roller, but I got the W58 transmission but no engine. I also have a 2GR from an Avalon lying around, so why not mate in perfect matrimony?
Only catch is I discovered that the 7M and 2GR did not share the same bolt pattern on that gen of W58.
So why not adapt it? Then I thought of the new Toyota GR GT? Why not add an electric assist? I already need a few inches because the V6 is shorter than the straight 6. Then I started researching Prius transmissions for a few days straight, drew some heavy inspiration from the con op of the Prius. So then I came up with the following:
The electric motor MG1 becomes the alternator and starter for the 2GR and can provide electric assist and additional engine/regenerative braking. Then it’s coupled through the 5 speed manual transmission just like the normal car up until we get to the differential, where MG2 is installed on the rear of the differential and is coupled in with its own pinion gear where it can drive the rear wheels.
In the future, I’m visualizing this as a future Lemons car but also a proof of concept. It can be driven exclusively in neutral, advantages being it can limp back to pit with an engine or transmission issue. where it could exit a pit similar to a Cadillac LMP car, the other aspect is it can continuously accelerate during shifting as well as preserve rear brakes.
Additionally, after having another car in my garage for 6 years that’s almost done and may race this year, I’m not looking for an as-intense project with a ton of body modification. The way that I designed this was that the hard part of creating the adapter for MG1 can come first with software to support the motor later and I can build iteratively with the option to add MG2 later after the headaches of MG1 were solved.
ZeGermanHam@reddit
You'd be much better off just doing a full EV swap rather than trying to do hybrid.
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
I want the car to eventually do endurance racing potentially and this for me is a proof of concept between those two systems. It has the power to win a Lemons race, but the engineering is my takeaway from it.
I can’t afford an EV endurance car yet, but there is a handful of teams pursing it. One with a Datsun pickup truck with a quick change pack setup I think completed just shy of 1,100 miles in 25 hours.
Pulsar574@reddit
You want to see how to do it and integrated your idea to your project? look for those guy.
Mountain Pass Performance 350z video
Mountain Pass Performance 350z website
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
This. Is cool! This is like a great car to pull inspiration from, I found the video from when he put the electric motor in and that’s awesome! Also finding out he was using an ECU that was EV specific, now I have to deep dive that now.
The main worry I have currently is exploding the transmission because I believe the W58 can’t put up with that much torque and it’s already near limit with the 2GR so me adding that second motor to the rear differential was getting around that.
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
The ECU is the M150EV and it’s $9000. I’ll just get two cheaper controllers and make them play nice with each other lol
maximilianfo@reddit
The overall problem is going to be that you have to manage and integrate all of those individual systems. As @dicrydin pointed to, having the right ECU and the knowledge (ore someone) to figure out all of the programming.
I know (an I think/hope), that this will be a very comprehensive project and that it’ll therefore very timely and costly if done right. BUT if you know what you are doing and are up fore it, I think it’ll be an awesome Project.
The idea to use a MGU as an Clutch/Generator/Motor in an application where a swapped ICE has to be spaced foreward to fit properly, is very interesting indeed. Especially when you see common Swap-Kits that have to make up several cm in depth.
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
For me, this looks like the easier comprehensive project believe it or not. The current one is a RWD conversion Corolla, where right now we’re beginning to mess with the electrics and ECU and got to cut my teeth on. That’s currently in the garage spot and I’m hoping if I choose to go down this project path I can slow roll some custom parts in preparation.
There’s a Lemons guy with a shop with some machining equipment that if I bring him stupid enough projects, he’ll cut stuff for me lol
Str8Six91@reddit
Engine/motor management is going to be a nightmare. The whole project sounds unappealing to me, though. I think hybrid systems are cool as long as there’s an option for a manual transmission, but I really dislike the V6 configuration in ICEs. And while the A60 is on my bucket list of must-have cars, there’s no way I’m building one without the 5M-GE.
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
The CRZ is the only car I can name that does that from the factory but those cars are rare.
On the V6s, I get that especially on the overhead cams because the engines are tall and massive on top which is especially annoying on a RWD longitudinal application unless you have a truck or SUV. On my current car, I wanted to play around with a dry sump to learn how to make one but it really didn’t need it and I was able to make it fit. The dry sump would be better suited here because I could lower the height of the motor by maybe 4 inches or so, especially over the front subframe.
Also, the 2GR is starting to turn up in junkyards more and more
Budgeted_Success@reddit
There was a guy who did a similar swap into a chevy corvair-i think he's still on Instagram.
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
Yes! However he did the whole Prius drivetrain which is arguably the most reliable way to make a hybrid lol
No-Locksmith-9377@reddit
Id Just follow the setup from Frankenstein Motorworks and shoot for somewhere between 350hp and 400hp at the flywheel from a 2gr using mostly stock parts.
https://youtu.be/gxWjsuU7MzY?si=0sJxl7K9ShaXkM7u
Dude is a magician.
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
I met him at a Lemons race! He was in the paddock next to us at Barber ‘24 with his MR2. That guy knows his shit for sure, and it was only later I discovered he also tinkers with the 2GR.
No-Locksmith-9377@reddit
He was probably driving his 2gr swapped mr2. Probably.
I met him once about a year and he is the epitome of a modern hotrodder. Such a nice down to earth guy too.
I first saw him from my research into a engine swapping mr2s, but his guest appearances on Gears and Gasoline really showcase his knowledge and expertise.
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
He was super cool to us, we were talking to him about my current car to him and he was giving us pointers on terms of brakes and such.
I had followed him on Facebook at that point but funnily enough didn’t know he made videos so I didn’t recognize his face at all.
NotScottMann@reddit
It's out of my field of knowledge but I know it's possible and know it would be bad ass. You should do it.
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
This I thought was a hilarious insult on this post and it’s a damn ad
dicrydin@reddit
What kind of engine and motor management would you run?
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
I was going to ask this question initially but then I opted for more of a schizo-rant style post.
Engine-wise is the easier part, I’m thinking a Megasquirt but I still need to confirm if it has a sophisticated enough of a blip shift feature so it can rev match between gears. Drive by wire TB is a must.
The controller for the motors, that has a lot more directions at the moment. I do have an electric converted Corolla with electric Ford Ranger parts that has a programmable ECU so I need to figure out what that one is and research that one. Technically it can support being a motor and generator so that may be my ready to go answer.
I’m going to see if I can piggyback the Prius motor driver and charging system, but I’m limited to the 200V pack going that route. This part is not too scary for me because this is more aligned to my day job and I have contacts at work who’ve worked on the the power and control systems on hybrids and EVs in Detroit for the GM and Chrysler.
Spotttty@reddit
I mean it sounds like a pretty cool project but I feel like it’s just waaaaay too complex for what it’s worth in the end.
boydisboss@reddit (OP)
Worth it for something like this sound to me lol