Some Ukrianian parliament members are calling for Zelensky to surrender to Russia amid rumors of a coming Russian invasion from Belarus towards Kyiv, arguing they have no defense. Funny how quickly Kyiv elites surrender when city life becomes slightly uncomfortable and they're on the front line.

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name_irl_is_bacon@reddit

Remember in March 2022 when Kiev was on the front line and the "Kiev Elite" said "I need ammo, not a ride"

But sure. Let's go with your wall of text agenda post.

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SlavaCocaini@reddit

They agreed to Russian terms at that time

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Global-Welder5333@reddit

Their terms to pack up their shit and leave?

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SlavaCocaini@reddit

Ukrainians agreed to pack up their shit and leave donbass

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Global-Welder5333@reddit

Donbas is within the recognized borders of Ukraine, as is Crimea. Pack up your shit and leave, war ends the next day.

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lol Kyiv was not on the front line when that happened, as Zelensky and the Kyiv elites came to agreement with Russia to a ceasefire, then the Russian troops who surrounded Kyiv packed up and left, heading southeast to Donbas.

Then as the Russians were on their way to Donbas, The USA ordered Boris Johnson of the UK to immediately fly to Kyiv and order Zelensky to betray the agreement he made with Russia. This is when the USA promised Zelensky a full NATO commitment, which gave Zelensky the confidence he needed to betray the agreement he just made with Russia.

Then the USA ordered Zelensky to get on camera, with the Russians already gone, and read from the script handed to him that said, "I don't need a ride. I need ammunition".

The Russians could have just turned around and taught Kyiv elites a lesson, but Putin yawned, continued on to Donbas, and proceeded to wipe out the Ukrainian army. The rationale for leaving the Kyiv elites in place was that those elites are terrible at making military decisions, which means they're great people to keep in power.

Now it appears that Russia is ending them. I think it's because of the drone and missile strikes deep into Russia and directed at critical infrastructure. NATO should have never allowed that. But NATO did, and now Russia is forced to respond to these reckless escalatory strikes far outside Ukraine.

You're going to see the cowardliness of Kyiv elites soon in a way that's undeniable. I'm genuinely interested to see what you think then.

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Global-Welder5333@reddit

A yes, the “goodwill gesture” from Kiyv, then Kharkiv, and then Kherson. Lol

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patmcirish@reddit (OP)

The Russians have been more focused on wiping out NATO's army then gaining ground. And it's worked well.

The U.S. is now too low on ammo to stop Iran from controlling Hormuz, and this is after the U.S. is trying to abandon Ukraine, forcing Europeans to pay a trillion dollars to take over the war against Russia.

Russia isn't merely demilitarizing Ukraine, which is its official goal. Russia is effectively demilitarizing all of NATO in Ukraine.

Now NATO is down to drone operators in Ukraine. Even U.S. media acknowledges the Ukrainian military doesn't have many ground troops or equipment remaining, that the focus is overwhelmingly on drone operators who fly quad-copters into Russian soldiers and equipment.

These drones are NATO's last line of defense holding back Russian troops.

And the U.S. media admits that the Russians are good at hunting down and killing Ukraine's drone operators, forcing NATO to continually renew the supply of human drone operators.

Russia, meanwhile, has an army that's larger now than at the beginning of this war and will overwhelming stockpiles of ammo.

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Global-Welder5333@reddit

Man, I’d love to sniff whatever copium you’re on, lolz

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Salazarsims@reddit

Slow and steady wins the race.

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Inevitable-Regret411@reddit

Can you provide a link to any kind of announcement of a ceasefire being declared in 2022?

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patmcirish@reddit (OP)

It was done quickly then betrayed quickly, so the only thing the U.S. media reported on was that Russian troops were leaving Kyiv.

Though the U.S. media didn't say "leaving" Kyiv, they said "fled" Kyiv. Not only that, but spread fake news that the Russian military headed back north into Belarus. In fact, the Russian forces moved southeast to Donbas, where they proceeded to annihilate the NATO/Ukraine military.

Just look for any western mainstream articles about Russia fleeing Kyiv and Ukraine's great victory over Russia in Kyiv.

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Critical-Quality3314@reddit

This March 2022? https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-putin-assured-me-at-moscow-meeting-he-wouldnt-kill-zelensky/

“I knew Zelensky was under threat, in a bunker… I said to [Putin], ‘Do you intend to kill Zelensky?’ He said, ‘I won’t kill Zelensky,’” Bennett recalled in the interview, which was published on his own YouTube channel.

Bennett said he called the Ukrainian president immediately after the three-hour encounter with Putin, and told him, “I’ve just come out of a meeting — [Putin] is not going to kill you.

“[Zelensky] asked me, ‘Are you sure?’ I said 100 percent. [Putin’s] not going to kill you.”

Bennett recalled: “Two hours later, Zelensky went to his office, and did a selfie in the office, [in which the Ukrainian president said,] ‘I’m not afraid.’”

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Hope this explains why parliament wants to surrender.

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SlavaCocaini@reddit

There would be an obvious buildup of forces which has yet to be seen before that could happen

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kronstadt-sailor@reddit

Dima does a respectable job of mapping and reporting frontline events. but he can get a little ahead of himself, especially where prognostication or geopolitics are concerned.