When I read the book IT, I remember thinking like "oh my god, this is so like...fucked up and twisted, I don't know how you'd think of this, I can't imagine how weird and horrible it must be in Stephen King's brain" - I kinda get the same feeling reading stuff like this, only Stephen King at least channels it into something worth reading đ
He's not wrong though. There are files, email logs, flight logs, real and schizo FBI reports, etc. But there is no "client list" per say. The closest we have are the flights logs, which just links associates implicated to varying degrees, not clients of his pedo human trafficking ring.
But that "likely" is the problem. Imagine you arrest a drug dealer, you find his stash and his address book. His address book contains his clients, you're certain. However it also includes his mum and dad, his grandparents, his uncles. How many people do you arrest from his address book?
If the drug dealer kept a nice record or guest book of everyone who visited his drug lab, those people either turned a blind eye and allowed it to continue, or they were actively participating. Either way, I'm pretty sure those are crimes
I hate to derail and I hate to say this, but if Trump is so deeply afraid of releasing the unredacted files because it's crystal fucking clear that he's everywhere in the files and I don't think even he could dodge the conviction, but isn't it kinda likely that he's had the really damning evidence destroyed?
Aphrodite had nothing to do with this. Wrong culture. It was Mylitta/Ishtar. Also Herodotus wrote this claim. Itâs still debated today how accurate it is. Temple prostitution was well known, but the claim literally every woman had to do it seems unlikely to me. To my knowledge there are no Babylonian records or texts that back up that part.
Tbf, Aphrodite is a weird goddess in the Greek pantheon, more than most she seems to claim connections to other important goddesses like Isis or Ishtar
Also claim written by a Greek so of course they'd just equate them
Yes, but Isis (and all other goddesses related to her) stands out in that regard IIRC for the influence a part of its cult had as a mystical sect. So there was the goddess as a part of the Pantheon and then there was the very influential cult of Isis/Aphrodite/Ishtar (which survived through the ages way past the rest of the Greek pantheon)
I believe the cult of Isis technically is still practiced to this day, though I'm not sure whether its done so as a form of neopaganism or there is actual continuity in the practice
That makes sense. Religious prostitution appeals to me, but making it mandatory would make me resent it, and I imagine people back then would feel that way too.
I just read a funny scene in a historical fiction book. A coomer visits an Eastern City and wastes his whole day looking for this temple because his buddy (who hates him) read him this passage from Herodotus.
I mean, it's Herodotus. He is famous for starting history as a subject, but his methods were "oh, i heard a tale from a traveller! let's add this to the book, because it's spicy".
So no, I doubt it was that simple as "any woman for any cash just outside the temple".
However, it is probably true some kind of ritual prostitution existed. What form, how often and what percentage of women - is still unknown.
Most probably no, not every women, just a special cohort of "sacred priestesses".
Imagine if nuclear war happened 500 years ago, and you are the Herochodus the self appointed historian, and you meet a guy from the other sea in the west, and he tells you before the collapse in the great city of Veggias there was a cult of Cazin and all women in the city were called hookahs and could fuck you for any money you can give to them, even 1 bottelcap was enough. He is very confident, because it was told to him by his gramps as a secret. Or everyone on west coast just knows it to be true or something.
True, Aphrodite was a derivation of a Phoenician goddess who herself was a derivation of Ishtar, but the temple sex ceremony stuff that was found in Babylon didnât make it through the game of cultural telephone to Greece.
Honestly, I thought anon was making a sarcastic jab at OnlyFans and online dating, comparing them to a modern of this barbaric practice of paying for sex in an open market.
This is not only real and true, it is unbelievably based and Babylonian culture maybe have been too based to exists.Â
Hellenic hating semitic redditors will claim it fake and try to discredit Herodotus as usual. Pathetic. Obviously he meant Ishtar, since thats the picture he posted
bmcgowan89@reddit
When I read the book IT, I remember thinking like "oh my god, this is so like...fucked up and twisted, I don't know how you'd think of this, I can't imagine how weird and horrible it must be in Stephen King's brain" - I kinda get the same feeling reading stuff like this, only Stephen King at least channels it into something worth reading đ
Nadiadain@reddit
King also has the excuse of being balls deep in cocaine for a lot of his creative process
sculksensor@reddit
Doesn't he straight up not remember writing a bunch of his books? Also obligatory "he said the epstein list isnt real" mention
man4160@reddit
He's not wrong though. There are files, email logs, flight logs, real and schizo FBI reports, etc. But there is no "client list" per say. The closest we have are the flights logs, which just links associates implicated to varying degrees, not clients of his pedo human trafficking ring.
Rainbow_Roads17@reddit
Who the fuck would create a âclient listâ for sex trafficking? Thatâs like creating a client list for selling meth.
man4160@reddit
Exactly
M0rgr0m@reddit
Saying "its not a list" is kind of splitting hairs though. We know what he means by saying this.
prussian_princess@reddit
Isn't the client list referring to some little black book where epstein kept tabs on people who are likely his clientele?
Pheeshfud@reddit
But that "likely" is the problem. Imagine you arrest a drug dealer, you find his stash and his address book. His address book contains his clients, you're certain. However it also includes his mum and dad, his grandparents, his uncles. How many people do you arrest from his address book?
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
All of them who came to the island.
If the drug dealer kept a nice record or guest book of everyone who visited his drug lab, those people either turned a blind eye and allowed it to continue, or they were actively participating. Either way, I'm pretty sure those are crimes
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
I hate to derail and I hate to say this, but if Trump is so deeply afraid of releasing the unredacted files because it's crystal fucking clear that he's everywhere in the files and I don't think even he could dodge the conviction, but isn't it kinda likely that he's had the really damning evidence destroyed?
Nadiadain@reddit
I mean to be fair only a moron would write down everyone whoâs partaking in the various illegal shit going down on that island in a nice neat list
PM_ME_DAD_JOKES_PLS@reddit
This was knowledge unknown to me, has he ever talked about it again?
SortOfSpaceDuck@reddit
He is not saying Epstein and others accused are innocent, just fyi
MrZeta0@reddit
The more unhinged someone is, the better they are at making horror.
Doppel2ganger@reddit
Wait since he was wrong about the list is there a chance that Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy....?
RaiderCat_12@reddit
Fuck yeah, Herodotus mentioned, what the fuck is a reliable source đ„đ„đ„
fun_t1me@reddit
Aphrodite had nothing to do with this. Wrong culture. It was Mylitta/Ishtar. Also Herodotus wrote this claim. Itâs still debated today how accurate it is. Temple prostitution was well known, but the claim literally every woman had to do it seems unlikely to me. To my knowledge there are no Babylonian records or texts that back up that part.
Automatic_Day5460@reddit
"Those weird foreigners and their perverted, titillating practices"
It's like how nobody think "law of the first night" was actually a thing.Â
skaersSabody@reddit
Tbf, Aphrodite is a weird goddess in the Greek pantheon, more than most she seems to claim connections to other important goddesses like Isis or Ishtar
Also claim written by a Greek so of course they'd just equate them
tyschooldropout@reddit
Just wait till you realize how weird/out of place Ishtar and Inanna are in their respective pantheons.
Why did Sargon pick Ishtar as his patron instead of the greater gods (other than his dream)?
Probably the same reason Sulla and Caesar picked Venus.
skaersSabody@reddit
Cult of Isis and allat
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
All of them are like that.
Zeus is connected to Baal (Hadad) and Poseidon might be connected to Yam. Hades or Thanatos to Mut.
There was a lot of this syncretism stuff in the pagan religions.
skaersSabody@reddit
Yes, but Isis (and all other goddesses related to her) stands out in that regard IIRC for the influence a part of its cult had as a mystical sect. So there was the goddess as a part of the Pantheon and then there was the very influential cult of Isis/Aphrodite/Ishtar (which survived through the ages way past the rest of the Greek pantheon)
I believe the cult of Isis technically is still practiced to this day, though I'm not sure whether its done so as a form of neopaganism or there is actual continuity in the practice
viciouspandas@reddit
There was a lot of syncreticism but Aphrodite also probably originates from Ishtar. Zeus comes from the Indo-European Sky Father
sedme0@reddit
That makes sense. Religious prostitution appeals to me, but making it mandatory would make me resent it, and I imagine people back then would feel that way too.
Sea-Swimmer-9937@reddit
I just read a funny scene in a historical fiction book. A coomer visits an Eastern City and wastes his whole day looking for this temple because his buddy (who hates him) read him this passage from Herodotus.
kilqax@reddit
Mfw Fate/FGO fans in the comments claiming Ishtar isn't connected to Aphrodite is kinda funny ngl
Either qay, qnon should lay off the porn
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
No, I'm going to goonmaxx to Ishtar
YoungDiscord@reddit
Anon thinks of scenarios where he would finally get laid
RevReads@reddit
Resorting to ancient mythology to be a cuckold, 4chongers really be looking for any excuse...
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
silentdrestrikesback@reddit
Fuck you men, I burst out laughing because of this.
Arstanishe@reddit
I mean, it's Herodotus. He is famous for starting history as a subject, but his methods were "oh, i heard a tale from a traveller! let's add this to the book, because it's spicy".
So no, I doubt it was that simple as "any woman for any cash just outside the temple".
However, it is probably true some kind of ritual prostitution existed. What form, how often and what percentage of women - is still unknown.
Most probably no, not every women, just a special cohort of "sacred priestesses".
Imagine if nuclear war happened 500 years ago, and you are the Herochodus the self appointed historian, and you meet a guy from the other sea in the west, and he tells you before the collapse in the great city of Veggias there was a cult of Cazin and all women in the city were called hookahs and could fuck you for any money you can give to them, even 1 bottelcap was enough. He is very confident, because it was told to him by his gramps as a secret. Or everyone on west coast just knows it to be true or something.
That is sorta what we are reading here.
Arstanishe@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/wxaniSTxbO
LazarusPizza@reddit
Babylonians didn't worship aphrodite.
They worshipped Ishtar. The goddess of ear and beauty. Ishtar literally predates Aphrodite, ffs.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
goddess of ear and beauty lol
LazarusPizza@reddit
Lmao. Didn't spot that until just now.
viciouspandas@reddit
Aphrodite comes from Ishtar but lost the war aspect.
Elm-and-Yew@reddit
Unless you're worshipping her as Aphrodite Areia, which is her warlike attribute that the Spartans worshipped.
SanitYatG@reddit
Cat instead of white person reaction image
Donutmelon@reddit
MrBoxingMatch@reddit (OP)
I think he was referring to Ishtar. The Greeks had a tendency to equate foreign gods with their own
viciouspandas@reddit
Aphrodite also originated from Ishtar going back.
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
Yep, thatâs called syncretism
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
Don't ask about Enlil and Chronos
loscapos5@reddit
Then pic related
Fishmongererererer@reddit
Greeks just looked at foreign gods and went âYep thatâs obviously just (insert Greek God)â
And if they couldnât map one directly they yoinked it
Capital_Pick3604@reddit
sorce for the image?
N1ghtstr1ke44@reddit
Sure, why not, I guess.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
This makes me feel conflicted.
Capital G is an ass but THIS is what anon wants back from paganism ?
The (supposed) forced temple prostitution ?
NPRdude@reddit
Anonâs mythology needs some work
MrBoxingMatch@reddit (OP)
Anon is quoting Herodotus and I think he was referring to Ishtar. The Ancient Greeks often equated foreign gods with their own.
NPRdude@reddit
True, Aphrodite was a derivation of a Phoenician goddess who herself was a derivation of Ishtar, but the temple sex ceremony stuff that was found in Babylon didnât make it through the game of cultural telephone to Greece.
mostie2016@reddit
I was about to say, Anon doesnât know his Babylonian goddesses. Besides everyone knows Ereshkigal is superior.
Laxhoop2525@reddit
Honestly, I thought anon was making a sarcastic jab at OnlyFans and online dating, comparing them to a modern of this barbaric practice of paying for sex in an open market.
poopcockshit@reddit
4chinnerâŠ
PJ_2005_01@reddit
Tenko-of-Mori@reddit
This is not only real and true, it is unbelievably based and Babylonian culture maybe have been too based to exists.Â
Hellenic hating semitic redditors will claim it fake and try to discredit Herodotus as usual. Pathetic. Obviously he meant Ishtar, since thats the picture he posted
breakfasteveryday@reddit
what
Jackyboyad@reddit
fake: obviously
gay: anon wants to be a Babylonian woman