Why do Croats think they're not a Balkan country?
Posted by InExtremis-@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 381 comments
Slovenia doest really have much in common with other Balkan countries but I dont understand Croats acting like theyre central european?? Me no balkan papi me central european.
low-sikeliot-9062@reddit
No one thinks Croatia is not balkan except certain Croats
AdvantageStatus4635@reddit
they mitteleuropaens
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
There is no such thing.
There are western and eastern and then there are some Czechs and poles with a superiority / inferiority complex self identifying as not Easterm European.
Admirable_Mud_470@reddit
kurva anyád
Tramagust@reddit
Just like hungarians
Pink_sunlight26@reddit
Hungarians aren’t balkanic
NidzoMadjija@reddit
Geographically, no. But culturally they absolutely are.
Pink_sunlight26@reddit
They wish
Frequent-Concept7227@reddit
Hungarians are not in Balkans geographically and do not belong to Slavic people , but their mentality screams both of those things.
Tramagust@reddit
same as the romanians.
ukrmljeni_seljak@reddit
I like their whores.
Tramagust@reddit
Who doesn't?
alex_zk@reddit
And the irony is that those are usually the most Balkan coded
Fragrant-Ad-3193@reddit
Wait seriously? I thought it's just us Slovenes who think we're not balkans
AndroGhost@reddit
I have not met a single Croat claiming not to be Balkan and I lived in Croatia for a year. This is pure rageposting
Less_Leg_3390@reddit
I’m a Croat being from the balkans is not giving you any prestige points internationally but nevertheless I don’t know any Croat who pretends that we are not balkanese.
DanteArbiter@reddit
Onda živiš u pećini hahahah. Većina Hrvata ko smrt izbjegava priznati da smo na Balkanu.
tono002-36@reddit
To je samo ovaj dio sjevernjaka koji misli da je bolji od ostatka države. Meni samo nije jasno jel oni misle da dobijaju kakve imaginarne poene jer eto nisu balkanci. Kakva je razlika?
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Zasto mislis da su automatski bolji ako nisu balkanci?
Substantial-One1934@reddit
They're dreaming of new Austrohungarian empire to be reborn.
DimensionAgitated507@reddit
It has to do with history and geography. But... Most of us learned folk don't want to associate with the likes shown in the video. Two different worlds lad... Just like in UK... If I studied at Oxford, don't you dare call me a chav, or you're getting one in the eye.
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
Civilizacija prestaje južno od Brezničkog Huma, to već i vrapci znaju.
Less_Leg_3390@reddit
Da, imam lijepu pećinu u Istri! :) A ti Hrvati koji ne prihvaćaju činjenice su u teškom denialu.
BrilliantNatural2018@reddit
Pod pretpostavkom da si zapravo Istranin/Istrijan , čestitke, ne znam kako, ali si fulao našu povijest. Jer, koliko ja znam, Istra nije nikada, ali nikada, pripadala tom kulturnom krugu prije 1918.
Less_Leg_3390@reddit
Živio sam dugo u Austriji i u Portugalu, imam prijatelje svih nacija, a žena mi je Brazilka. Baš zbog nje vidim koliko mi s naših prostora imamo sličan, topao i društven mentalitet kao Brazilci. Iz te vanjske perspektive, ta kulturološka povezanost i naš način života su itekako balkanski i svi se vani držimo skupa. Zato mi je smiješno vidjeti ovoliki trud da se pod svaku cijenu pobjegne od tog pojma. A to kažem bez ikakve loše namjere – proputovao sam svašta, ali Hrvatska mi je i dalje najljepša na svijetu.
Gloomy-Statement-193@reddit
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
BrilliantNatural2018@reddit
Stari, generalno, taj mentalitet kojeg opisuješ nije uopće toliko dobar. Na društvenoj i nacionalnoj razini bi bilo znatno bolje da je radišnost i efikasnost inkorporirana u naš mentalitet.
Također, ti pričaš vlastitom, subjektivnom doživljaju x broja stranaca s kojima si vodio razgovore. Ako se vodim vlastitim iskustvima, moram reci da sam doživio Nijemce, Austrijance, Francuze jednako onako kako si “naš” mentalitet opisao. Ali percipirane vrijednosti njih kao društvo su znatno drugačije od onoga šta sam ja imao priliku upoznati.
Izgleda da su, na iznenađenje nikoga, subjektivni doživljaji vlastiti, te postoji izrazito velika šansa da ne odgovaraju realnom, činjeničnom stanju.
Ajmo reci ovako, postoji niz kulturoloških, geopolitičkih, socioloških kriterija, koji moraju biti pomno izučeni i iz navedenih se iznosi zaključak. Kao npr. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regionale_Gliederung
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
Nismo ni mi Splićani, pa se na nas jako brzo lijepi labela da smo balkanci ahahaham.
BrilliantNatural2018@reddit
Istina. Cijela obala i otoci kao i dio zaleđa, Zagreb i sjeverni dijelovi nikada nisu pripadali tom krugu. Čvrstog sam uvjerenja da ce svakako tragovi iz bivše države (i mentalitet) biti odstranjeni dizanjem plaće i životnog standarda.
Ja jedino ne kužim naše sugrađane koji tvrde da nikada nisu culi da netko tvrdi da Hrvatska potpada pod centralnu Europu. Ekipo, to se plasira u osnovnoškolskim i srednjoškolskim udžbenicima već skoro dva desetljeća. Teško da netko nije slučajno nabasao na tu informaciju tokom svog života.
AdvancedAd3228@reddit
Plasira se i na tarabi pička, pa opet...
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
To pisu Bosanski Hrvati vecinom
Soggy_Menu_9126@reddit
I salute you fellow istrijan
GrinhcStoleGold@reddit
U životu nisam čuo da netko od nas Hrvata izbjegava priznati da smo na Balkanu.
Baš suprotno, čak je i poštapalica zbog silnih korupcija itd. " To ima samo kod nas na balkanu".
miljaluffy@reddit
gdje je ta vecina Hrvata ja ne znam...nisam cuo nikad nekog da ima takav stav majkemi 😃
BrilliantNatural2018@reddit
Ja imam takav stav, doduše, cijela obitelj mi je u Istri. Također, i ovo je puno bitnije, nekako sumnjam da će trendovi, kao npr. ovaj pokazan u videu, ostati popularni. Mislim sada već nisu popularni diljem Hrvatske, pretpostavljam da se to odnosi na određene dijelove.
STIM_band@reddit
Potvrđujem :)
DanteArbiter@reddit
As a Croat, you can't be more wrong. There are many Croats who hate to admit Croatia is on Balkan.
Less_Leg_3390@reddit
I think it depends on the kind of people you are surrounded by. We all have our bubbles.
FalsettoBalsamico@reddit
Ja definitivno nemam takve ljude oko sebe al nisam delulu da mislim da ne postoje. Bome ti je mjehuric dobro izoliran.
Less_Leg_3390@reddit
Imaš pravo, stoposto ima negdje takvih Hrvata, ali ja ih ne poznajem osobno. I to isto tako nije baš neka tema o kojoj pričaš random s nekim.
VoidYordle@reddit
I find it funny how I understand 90% of what you say in written form. But if I heard it outloud I'd be confused asf (Bulgarian here)
Less_Leg_3390@reddit
My cousin lives in Varna as a manager for an international company and married a Bulgarian woman. The funniest thing I've heard when she said can you drive me to... ("karai me"), that means something totally different in Croatian 😉
VoidYordle@reddit
"You are right, because there are some croats like that, but I don't really know them. And it is like such theme (?) which you (I don't understant this word) randomly with someone"
Substantial-One1934@reddit
They are aliens from outer space incidentally dropped in the Balkans.
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
There's literally people from Croatia on this very sub saying how they're not a Balkan country. Mitteleuropa......
AndroGhost@reddit
you can find people out of the vast majorities everywhere. That doesn't mean they are representative of the rest of population
starxidiamou@reddit
Just because you lived there for one whole year doesn’t mean you nor your experience is representative of the rest of the population
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
Doesn't that apply to your above post as well?
AndroGhost@reddit
Sorry mate can't teach you how statistics work from a reddit comments section.
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
Oh lord, you're one of those people, ok buddy, sure, whatever you say is correct and makes perfect sense, have a great day.
International-Fly127@reddit
well if we are talking about living on the balkan peninsula, we are not balkan, as the balkan peninsula doesn't actually geographically exist. If we are talking about the Balkans geopolitically then Croatia would absolutely fall into the category, though still there are palpable differences from the more eastern "true" Balkan countries
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Do you think people in the video would claim they're not Balkan?
There are definitely part of Croatia that are Balkan, and they claim they are
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
How does this exactly work, some parts have some austro-hungaria buildings therefore that part is akshually Germanic the other has Yugoslavian buildings therefore is Balkan???? I never understood this cope 'yes some people are Balkan but some people that behave different are not Balkan'. Sounds like cope to me tbh
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
It's not the buildings, it's mentality, music, speech, genetics as well.
Croatia is diverse.
The areas occupied by the Ottomans are different from those that weren't. As you see in the video.
But what is true, is that Balkan influence is spreading more and more. Mainly by Balkan people moving north.
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
Do you mind explaining what does this exactly mean?? What exactly is Croatian mentality music speech genetics that make you Germanic/central european and not balkan?
on this subreddit I keep hearing the same arguments about other Balkan countries that claim to not be Balkan.
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
Absolutely nothing, he/she is delusional and mixes certain terms.
It's like saying for coastal areas of Croatia/Montenegro/Albania/Greece they are not Balkan because they have roots in Mediterranean culture. 😃
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Karma whore or clueless about your own country
After 2 seconds of research:
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
You know how to use Google, I must applaud you?
My point stands, there are so many different cultural nuances in the Balkans that it's crazy to say "someone is not part of Balkan because of cultural differences".
To give you a perfect example, people from coastal areas in Albania/Montenegro/Greece have more in common with Dalmatian people than Dalmatians have with people from Zagreb. Or you are going to pretend that is not the case? 😃
Being diverse in a country does not make that country less Balkan. If that was the case pretty much all of the countries in Balkan peninsula could very well be considered something else and not Balkan.
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Oh, I fully agree with you.
Dalmatians have more in common with Bosnia and Montenegro even genetically than to people from Zagreb.
The same goes for northern parts. Way more in common with Slovenians. Genetically they are closer to Czechs than to Dalmatians even. So.. is Czechia also Balkan?
I mean if we take it definitionaly that all of Croatia is Balkan, then I guess, but then the term loses its meaning. That area isn't even geographically in the Balkans.
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
The thing is, we all also have A LOT of things in common (and that was whole point) that are pretty much very "Balkan" "culturally speaking". Yet ofc, at other times very big differences as well ( as we both agree it seems 😄 ).
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Did chatgpt generate this list?
Why are you so adamant on this when you clearly aren't familiar with north Croatia at all?
When was the last time you visited Croatia from Germany?
Hospitality one is that gives it away 😀
Also food similarities? Yes there are Kebab shops opened by Albanians
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
What the hell are you talking about. Kebab shops? 😃
Brother/sister I live in Croatia 1/4 of the year every year, albeit in the most northern part (close to Dubrovnik).
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
If Dubrovnik is the northernmost you go, that tells me all I needed to know.
I'm closer distance wise to Vienna, Salzburg, Budapest, Venice, even damn Prague and Munich than to Dubrovnik
So let me get this straight, because frame or reference matters: MNE username, Montenegro references in your own comments, Croatia experience mostly Dubrovnik/coast.
And you’re lecturing people about northern Croatia?
Brother what are we even talking about here?
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
Dalmatians are culturally closest to north Italy id say due to a lot of venetian influence.
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
There is a word we use for that "culture", "Mediterranean". If you bothered to read my post you'd see that I already stated exactly what you are saying there... But same thing applies to other coastal areas of some Balkan countries (e.g. Montenegro, Albania, Greece)...
CamelAmbitious7425@reddit
What makes someone Balkan? From my experience Northern Croatia is quite different from the rest of the country, let alone from Bosnia, Bulgaria or Albania. I guess most Croats who claim they are not Balkan are from there.
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1mnnadn/genetic_origins_of_northwestern_croats/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAhWRQfZRfQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SJWKfsZyzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vb8qL2NTCw
InvestigatorLoud7763@reddit
These Croats in the video are clearly descendent from Bosnia. No Croat from Croatia behaves like this, heck, even many Croats from Bosnia don't behave like this. We usually call people who behave like this "seljačine"
FalsettoBalsamico@reddit
It has nothing to do with architecture, it's culture and mentality. We a 100% are balkans but there are plenty of Croatians that don't want to admit it. Basically a delusion.
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
I mean, in the whole of balkans there are people aho dont behave like balkan people, its perdectly normal for people to be different from one another.
Confident_Escape_715@reddit
Akshually :))
Abject_Avocado_6410@reddit
Those people are probably albaninas. There is a lot of albanians in Croatia
Imaginary_String_814@reddit
Gynaecolog@reddit
They dont look, dress or act Albanian in the slightest. What are you talking about.
Formal-Can-4168@reddit
They don't look that much Albanian
Vexesmegreatly01@reddit
Because they are catholic
Just1Dude_@reddit
We are proud that we are Balkan when we saw what shithole is EU.
Doomenor@reddit
I have come to believe that thinking you are not a Balkan country is a requirement for being a Balkan country
heislbesen666@reddit
Austria is Balkan now?
Snoo-15899@reddit
In Austria, Balkan comes to you.
Badger-Open@reddit
https://youtu.be/r_5Slnkzekc?is=haVuS7hhtGm2Kk_V
Doomenor@reddit
Zizek for the win as always
vita_lly-p@reddit
this is gold.
arf_arf1@reddit
Always has been.
VoidYordle@reddit
An hour ago in a completely separate subreddit, absolutely nothing to do with this one, someone told me Greece is not a balkan country and I wrongly assumed they're geogpraphically impaired amerian. Nah, they were greek all along.
alex_zk@reddit
Elitoporius@reddit
Man, I`ve understood Balkans.. I was filled with an estus of the Truth.
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
-ungodlyhour-@reddit
Who said that? Croats are as Balkan as they come.
SlavicRobot_@reddit
They do, lot I've come across pretend they are German or Austrian
Sanchez326@reddit
How?
bigwinboard@reddit
Serbs always love to tell Croats what they are. There are many regions in Croatia that definitely is more southern or central european than balkan. Your comment is ridiculously simplified.
iammymaster28@reddit
I’d really want to see how Croats are gonna sit alongside Germans, Austrians and other Central Europeans, and expect to be treated as equals. It’s gonna be quite the glorious scene, isn’t it?
bigwinboard@reddit
You conventiently forgot to mention the slovenes, slovaks and czech. Even italians in some regions.
iammymaster28@reddit
Because Austrians and Germans are the most important Central European countries; Slovenians are gonna get more or less the same treatment as Croats. Are you that interested in being culturally closer to Slovaks and Czechs as much as building a “brotherly” relationship with Austrians and Germans? In other words, if you are Slavic don’t expect much respect from Germanic people. I know this will ruffle a lot of feathers, but the truth always hurts.
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
Why would they look down ona anyone? Its not like an average German or Swiss i superior in anything to an average Croat or Bulgarian.
They just gor luckier with their spawn point, beingnof certain ethnicity doesnt make you any better than someone else (that would be some nazi shit).
bigwinboard@reddit
I don’t care very much what the average german think, so why should you?
laker88@reddit
Wow 😂 Can you list all these many regions and how they’re culturally closer to Latin or Germanic countries?
Legal_Lettuce6233@reddit
Istria and Zagreb are a bit less Balkan, a bit more other stuff.
Still Balkan, though.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
There is the more Mediterranean bits and outright Mediterranean bits in Croatia and Slovenia, but it's rather smaller compared to the rest. Anyway, not like the cultural sphères are a binary choices in many cases.
Spiritual_Spatula@reddit
Isn't shooting from a gun at weddings Serbian thing? I never saw it in Cro wedding. Also, yes. Croatia is by all means Balkan and we should be proud of it 💪
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
stopping traffic for their shitty wedding and wearing dumb clothes. that's like core balkan
nasilnidesnicar@reddit
They didn't stop the traffic, that'a a convoy or cars. People do that in Turkey.
Mrdemian3@reddit
I once saw a guy stop his car at an intersection, in the middle of Zagreb, in a way that blocks all the cars perpendicular to him so that the wedding convoy can pass while the lights are red...
PavelKringa55@reddit
Yes. We need fines for that.
No_Soil_4562@reddit
For sure, I think it can go up to terminary suspending the driver's license.
PavelKringa55@reddit
I whish.
But your tag says "Turkey". Here people call such behavior Turkish, is that really something people in Turkey would do or is it some perversion?
No_Soil_4562@reddit
Unfortunately they do but not all of us endorse such behavior. It's not an everyday thing at least in Istanbul but when it happens it's making me have anger issues all of a sudden, I'm a relatively calm guy.
Honestly us Turks don't have one color, we are a really big spectrum, some are absulotely disgusting human beings, some are decent people that will give you way more than any European or American can.
Some people still scare their kids by saying "If you don't sleep Turks will come." too or they think we ride camels to the work :D so I'm not really surprised. Media not trying to make us look good that's for sure.
DimensionAgitated507@reddit
If it happened over here, well I mean chavs exist everywhere, but... So does the police and handcuffs.
FarTrick2260@reddit
Slovenia has a lots more with Balkan than you can even imagine.
Available-Badger-163@reddit
Some croats have a complex where they think they are too civilised and more like the western european nations when compared to the rest of the balkans.
nemojakonemoras@reddit
Not one Croat I know would deny Croatia being a Balkan country.
Jake24601@reddit
Because Croats will be anything but related to Serbs. We will even make up a whole story about how we are actually ancient Persians.
markogzg@reddit
Because people are lying? :)
Electrical-Dark-6610@reddit
What’s with the copium in the comments? Is it so hard to grasp that a country that is literally in between two different worlds would be influenced by both? No it’s not fully Balkan and it’s not fully West either.
nana9555@reddit
Im more concerned about this
Senju19_02@reddit
What the fuck is that even supposed to be? Shoes? Socks? Painted his feet black?
AdamN@reddit
Ninja shoes - good for cat burglars
Legitimate-Ostrich48@reddit
https://www.google.com/search?num=10&client=firefox-b-d&hs=MVb&sca_esv=49e5cf38dc14b89e&sxsrf=ANbL-n6ONRjmhSCllMj1FG-Os4IwQ3LSqA:1779465549325&udm=2&fbs=ADc_l-aN0CWEZBOHjofHoaMMDiKpaEWjvZ2Py1XXV8d8KvlI3vxYI1tojT_24H7Q4iMwclRY3wEKpNQ5Wykbz5I1RBh_BWSy8Aa9yzP_eukIdg3PO_t4XBcFJrXDq2N5-guCEWSiLMXX9SrLZsKz4ZoEoOfOnwIGpROHwxwkKL5sGmx12lDQI53xy4Fpem6xb7FBVdHADPxgHCLF5g96eKW4u9z_Vi0w5Q&q=tabis+shoes&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijotTfoc2UAxUZ3AIHHUSrLQ0QtKgLegQIDRAB&biw=1761&bih=821&dpr=1
Tony-Angelino@reddit
Looks like ninja shoes to me.
asmo_192@reddit
they are called tabi shoes, I know that from Terraria
SpaceCatJack@reddit
Terraria mentioned!!!
Unbanable4221@reddit
Tabbies I think they call them. Shoe with a split room for the big toe. They sicken me.
halobitteschoen@reddit
Camel toes shoes.
Substantial-One1934@reddit
This is the latest fashion trend artidactyls shoes.
phatprick@reddit
Shocks
Holiday-Step9703@reddit
WHAT ARE THOOSEE
dimitriettr@reddit
Shoes for people who identifies as pigs.
Craptose_Intolerant@reddit
God damn, that’s harsh 🤣🤣🤣
AmbivalentCvckfvcker@reddit
I'll take two
holymissiletoe@reddit
lmao
Trung_smash@reddit
He’s obviously a Croatian samurai wearing traditional tabi shoes which traditionally are paired with the discoball bright suit
DimensionAgitated507@reddit
Tabi shoes? In Croatia?
OkMonitor6123@reddit
With his metallic suit.
Lucky_Musician_@reddit
PaperSweet9983@reddit
ikristic@reddit
I fckn missed those next to the suit.
Torrentor@reddit
The guy is a shinobi in disguise
Chemical_Rough_9996@reddit
Kopitarke
Chemical_Rough_9996@reddit
Krkančluk!
ExitBeneficial3152@reddit
Balenciaga
PavelKringa55@reddit
those have all the toes, silver surfer has only a toe separate
Southern_Silver333@reddit
papci... za papke...
bojanboksa@reddit
He is Ninja in horoscope
brisetta@reddit
Oh my gawd
arqe_@reddit
Music choices, clothes, wedding convoy dancing in middle of the street.
Balkan 101.
ogromno_spolovilo@reddit
As a Croat, in geolocation we are only 50% on the Balkan island.
However, 80% of Croats are Balkans in their mentality.
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
What would be the balkan mentality?
ogromno_spolovilo@reddit
This. This “celebration” in this case.
But in general: primitivism, xenophobia, national socialism, corruption…
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
I mean, those exist everywhere. By that logic Africa and south America are way more balkan than the balkans.
Wouldnt balkan culture rekate more to unique food, music etc.
ogromno_spolovilo@reddit
Yes. But Africa and South America are more or less all the same.
Croatia is part of EU, western civilization that should have some standards.
Croatians usually do not have any standards.
That is why it is so visible.
jfk52917@reddit
Croatia cannot be Central European while they allow smoking indoors in bars and cafes. Was stunned to see that inside the bus station in Zagreb.
Relahh@reddit
I don't know a single croatian who thinks Croatia isn't a balkan country
zanimljivo123@reddit
Song?
Substratas@reddit
That music gives me anxiety.
PerpendicularTomato@reddit
That music is the original brain rot
Mikhulan@reddit
Song name?
bobija@reddit
Stoja - Da, da, da
PerpendicularTomato@reddit
poop - Svetoslava
solidus_slash@reddit
It's the music that played during the war crimes in the 90s
chunek@reddit
I assume this is some kind of a wedding celebration, maybe in Northern Croatia..?
It reminded me of this video of a wedding celebration in northeastern Slovenia.. untill I turned on the sound. Also, the way people are dressed is a bit different.
malaaaaaka@reddit
If it looks like a duck
Old-maiden@reddit
Ive never met a croat that said they arent balkan???
HorrorExamination120@reddit
Wait, we think we're not a Balkan country?
BidTricky9556@reddit
We are
qwerty_fu@reddit
Serbs are balkan. Croats are Catholic serbs. So croatians are balkans. But so, ARE SERBS REAL CROATS???
ezrapper@reddit
Every country in the balkans think they're not a balkan country.
Regular_Ad_9598@reddit
Balkan is just some bullshit made up by westerners.
Critical_Stage1025@reddit
That’s cos they aren’t. They are actually in the Nile which is located in Egypt
tulum_peyniri_wowza@reddit
the croatian leonardo dicaprio in the opening scene lighting himself and his shiny armor on fire
Silly_Dimension5724@reddit
Hahahah you're right, he does look like him 🤣
Margelatu76@reddit
More like Robert Carlyle, in my opinion. Balkan Begbie vibes.
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
They don't want to br associated with a name that inspires decadence.
Lost_Teacher_3688@reddit
DJ koja je to rega?
antisa1003@reddit
Janjevci, those in the video, are not really Croats. They are catholics from Kosovo. They entertain the believe they are remenants of Croats before the Ottoman invasions.
InvestigatorLoud7763@reddit
Janjevci are descendents of catholic merchants from Dubrovnik. They arent Croats just because of the religion, they are Croats because they managed to keep their identity. Fra Ivan Franjo Jukić (self delclared Bosniak) wrote about Janjevci being Croats when he visited Kosovo in 1852.
CamelAmbitious7425@reddit
Yes they are descendants from merchants from Dubrovnik, but living for centuries in Kosovo surrounded by Serbs and Albanians they intermingled with them and took the local cultures. Today Janjevci are both genetically and culturally quite different to the rest of Croats.
InvestigatorLoud7763@reddit
I didn't say they arent culturaly different from Croats from Croatia, i'm just correcting the commenter for sayint they are only Croats because of their religion.
antisa1003@reddit
That's precisely the reason they have it...
InvestigatorLoud7763@reddit
No, they have it because they moved there from Dubrovnik and they have perserved their ethnic name for centuries.
Bosnian catholics are the ones that started calling themselves Croats because of our shared religion. Janjevci were calling themselves Croats for centuries whilst being isolated.
antisa1003@reddit
People of Dubrovnik did not call themselves Croats nor thought about themselves in that way. It was always Dubrovnik first. Those same people went to Kosovo and settled there. They kept the religion. Their descendents kept the faith, but they are not Croats because their forefathers never declared as Croats.
InvestigatorLoud7763@reddit
Ah, that's why when Russian diplomat A.P. Tolstoy visited Dubrovnik in 1698. wrote in his travelogue that citizens call themselves Croats?
That's why Andreas Paulus Logmagi, son of the Dubrovnik nobleman Ivan Logmagi, signed his name on the list of students at the University of Graz in 1620 as "Raguseus Nobilis Croata"?
In 1564, Ragusan Nikola Nalješković sent a letter to the nobleman and poet from Korčula, Ivan Vidali, in which he said that the Croatian people throughout Dalmatia valued, celebrated and respected him as a gifted poet
In the same year (1564), Vidali responds to Nalješković with the following verses:
Honor chosen, Niko, and great praise, the greatness and glory of the Croatian language...
That's why in 1527, a Ragusan Mavro Vetranović also wrote the famous poem "The Hunter and the Fairy" in which there is a fairy's call to the Dubrovnik nobility, which reads:
Let you know, everyone makes it, that you have swollen all the Dalmatians with glory, Not only Dalmatians, gentlemen, dear… and all the Croats gathered together
That's why Ivan Vidali, a poet from Korčula wrote in 1564: "Dubrovnik is the crown of Croatian cities"?
antisa1003@reddit
The merchants left for Kosovo in the 14th century. That was 200 years before any of the years you wrote.
InvestigatorLoud7763@reddit
Ok, how does that disprove them perserving their ethnic Croat name they brought from Ragusa for centuries whilst being isolated?
OrangeRound2478@reddit
People in this video are mostly from Posavina and/or Đakovo they have nothing to do with Kosovo.
antisa1003@reddit
Guess where did the Janjevci move to from Kosovo to Croatia? I'll give a hint, Slavonia.
KarijesNaMozgu@reddit
hehe common antisa L
sad sam se sjetio rasprave sa tobom od prije koji mjesec, kako nas Hrvate nitko ne smatra balkancima i da je uvreda nazvat Hrvata balkancom.
a tebe boli tuki... 'ladis jaja u sveckoj
to kaj ti stereotipi kroje sliku o svijetu i ljudima je glavni indikator da si primitivni balkanjeros. i jos lazno optuzujes da su janjevci... e moj priglupi sovinistu. zbog takvih kao ti ljudi i misle da smo balkanci.
obozavam naletit na tvoj komentar 'u divljini'. to koliko ti mozes ispast u krivu je zapanjuce, imas i talent i jos si i uporan. svaka cast. samo da ne ispadne da trolas po redditu, jer si me dobro zajebao onda.
antisa1003@reddit
Tko si ti uopce?
Tocno to. Stereotipi koji nisu tocni.
Nis lazno ne optuzujem. Ako se potrudis, saznati ces.
I tu sve kaj si rekao pada u vodu. Cim vrijedas odmah se zna da nemas argumenta i pricas bedastoce. I tu je ova rasprava gotova.
KarijesNaMozgu@reddit
sve sam ti argumentirao. to kaj je cinjenica da si priglupi sovinist nije moj, vec tvoj problem. svako dobro.
OrangeRound2478@reddit
I know these people; I can assure you they have nothing to do with Kosovo.
proudtobecroat7@reddit
I second this, I happen to know the bride’s family. Nothing to do with Kosovo.
Fluffy-Pop-3407@reddit
Those dudes aren't like any croatians I have seen. More like people who get bussed in from BiH to vote conservative every election.
KarijesNaMozgu@reddit
bussed in?
you can vote in BiH, so I don't understand your lies and chauvinism.
Embarrassed_Bus5249@reddit
Ah, ok. They are not croatian citizens? They are not part of croatian population, culture,...?
antisa1003@reddit
Those in Croatia are. The same as, an example, Romani.
Those in Kosovo, aren't.
Romani are also part of the population. Doesn't mean Croats and Romano are culturally the same.
Janjevci are culturally different than any Croat from any region in Croatia. They have a cultural far more similar to those in Kosovo or Albania. Which is not a surprise since they originate from there.
They are disliked due to their culture which is not compatible.
Embarrassed_Bus5249@reddit
How many different ethnical groups with different cultures Croatia has? Do all ethnical croats share the same culture, habits, language and can be widely recognized and not mixed with for example, serbian, bosnian, slovakian, ...? Does croatian culture more like Austrian or Italian...?
cile1977@reddit
No, we can be vastly different in just a few hundred kilometers. There are people from Croatia I can’t understand because their language is totally different from standard Croatian. One part of Croatia even has an internationally recognized language.
antisa1003@reddit
A lot. That happens when you are a part of larger empires.
Not all Croats share the same culture, habits, language due to different regional differences but it's easy to recognize them between the others. Obviously, the closer you get to the border it becomes more difficult as people mix more near the border.
Depends on the region. Some regions are more like Slovenia, Austria, etc. Some are more like Italy and then you have Eastern European and Balkan. It's mainly due to many different influences.
Embarrassed_Bus5249@reddit
Recap: Nothing is black and white. Culture is not criteria that determines what Balkan is.
antisa1003@reddit
Pretty much is. Balkan is the former Ottoman territory.
CamelAmbitious7425@reddit
How do you know that they are Janjevci?
antisa1003@reddit
Hard to explain to someone who is not familiar with them. Janjevci have a distinguish look.
As someone from a city and a neghbourhood with the largest population of Janjevci in Croatia. It's really easy to notice them.
CamelAmbitious7425@reddit
To me, the men in this video don't look like Janjevci but like regular Croats. My mother comes from a small town in Slavonia where Janjevci were settled in the 90s, so I am very familiar with their appearance. Most of them were short and dark-haired, looking more like a mixture of Albanians and southern Serbs, these Guys dont look Like that.
Careful-Evening-5187@reddit
Croatians consider themselves "South Austrians"...and I think that's adorable.
AlexNachtigall247@reddit
Why does he pour the Slivovic (i guess?) on his jacket? Can someone explain?
zatiznotmydog@reddit
Balkan Leonardo DiCaprio
kimjongill_est@reddit
Does anyone know where this could be?
ikristic@reddit
First of all, these are clowns.
Second, Croatia is a Balkan country.
And lastly, you are absolutely correct, I can relate more to any european country than Slovenia, with maybe exception of France. We have very very little in common.
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
Weird you say that, i consider Slovenia one of the most similar countries to us.
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Because he's closer to Belgrade than to Zagreb.
Every corner of Croatia is very different, so there's no really "us" on any opinion
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
I mean fair, Split is closer to Zg i guess.
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Osijek
FanaticalDick@reddit
Možda smo u jednom trenutku i pripadili srednjoj europi i to određeni dijelovi ali već odavno nismo pogotovo kada ovo vidiš.
Tracer_Bullet_38@reddit
That's gotta be the shortest dude in all of Croatia.
djoloz@reddit
Croats are still working on inventing and faking their heritage.
It kinda takes time.
Craptose_Intolerant@reddit
Don’t forget about their frantic cooking of their history books 🤣
djoloz@reddit
Which were mainly written by Serbs as most of their books in general :)
MintCathexis@reddit
I never understood why Slovenians think they're not a Balkan country.
BeautifulMountain653@reddit
If you drink Slivovitz you're Balkan.
Kross1001001@reddit
Because Croatia is neither geographicaly, culturaly or religiosly Balkan. And neither is Slovenia.
0ld_Snake@reddit
We were driving from Austria tpwards Bosnia just a few weeks back, and as soon we crossed the Slovenia/Croatia border, my wife turned to me and said "Regardless of what the Croats say and want in regards to them being European, they're just a plain Balkan country whether they like it or not." And she was right
ThisDuckIsOnFire555@reddit
What happened when you crossed Croatia-Bosnia border?
0ld_Snake@reddit
Lookes the same tbh
ThisDuckIsOnFire555@reddit
Sorry I must press X
0ld_Snake@reddit
Go there maybe and check for yourself
ThisDuckIsOnFire555@reddit
Brt pričamo o Bosni. Bio sam dovoljno puta da formiram mišljenje. Razlika između Slovenije i Hrvatske je slična razlici između Hrvatske i BiH.
0ld_Snake@reddit
Zavisi koji dio. Slicniji su Hrvatsja i Bosna nego sto ljudi misle, izuzev Dalmacije
AirWolf231@reddit
Croatia is European, so are the Balkans.
Typical-Froyo-642@reddit
Croats who claim that they are not from Balkan dont believe that themselves, they just use it to feel superior over "rival" nations.
Unexpected_yetHere@reddit
There is nothing making anyone superior. The fact is the Balkans are a cultural-historic area that were shaped by the Byzantines, Ottomans, Orthodoxy and Islam.
Croatia had as little part in that as Hungary did. It has historically developed in the sphere of Central European and Mediterranean culture. Hence why if you see a Croatian city like Đakovo or Samobor you might confuse it with something in Czechia or Hungary, but never with something in Kosovo or NorMac.
Of course there is massive Balkan influence, but doesn't change the fact of it being mostly a Med/Cent country. I've been around enough to know that North Croatians are more similar to Czechs or Poles than to Serbs or Albanians, or that coastal Croats are more similar to Italians than coastal Bulgarians or so.
The problem of this discussion stems from Balkanic people having internalized self-hatred and view Balkans as a negative thing, so a country saying that they are not Balkans sounds like a statement of superiority when it is just a statement of fact.
Typical-Froyo-642@reddit
"Hence why if you see a Croatian city like Đakovo or Samobor you might confuse it with something in Czechia or Hungary, but never with something in Kosovo or NorMac."
This is bad argument and you have to know it. You can say the same about Subotica or Zrenjanin in Serbia. On the other hand Slunj or Knin could definitely pass for the Bosnian cities and Konavle could pass for the city in Montenegro.
Yes, coastal Croats are more similar to Italians than to Bulgarians, but they are still much more similar to Bosnians and Montenegrins for example. North Croats as in zagorci are more similar to Czechs than to Serbs perhaps, but Croats in Slavonija are definitely more similar to Serbs and Bosnians than to Czechs or Poles.
Yeah but a) facts are completely false. You are avoiding to recognize simple truth b) its not just internalization, it is the way that word is used by certain people in Croatia.
RefrigeratorAny7018@reddit
And hold 90% of balkans coast xD
PavelKringa55@reddit
Dude, it's not Balkans coast, it's our coast.
RefrigeratorAny7018@reddit
I meant Balkan Peninsula coast 😅
InvestigatorLoud7763@reddit
Is the "peninsula" in the room with us? The distance from Rijeka to Szczecin is closer than the distance from Trieste to the Black Sea. Where is the Alpine "peninsula" then?
GlitteringLocality@reddit
There is enough in common. Do not believe everything you hear on Reddit.
Mako2401@reddit
People sometimes take the Austro-Hungarian border to be where the "real" Balkan starts (which would be somewhere in Bosnia). "Balkan" is literally Turkish behavior, food, words being used in everyday speech etc. While in the countries that were under Austro Hungary, they were influenced by that kind of thinking.
InvestigatorLoud7763@reddit
Thats true, Balkan is just a new name for geopolitical region of Rumelia. These Croats in the video are clearly descendent from Rumelia (Bosnia), no Croat from Croatia behaves like this.
DimensionAgitated507@reddit
Don't ask me I'm a Grenzer...
-inthenameofme@reddit
These are Bosnians or from Kosovo..
No-Jackfruit-2433@reddit
Because they are the poor cousins of the germans/Fritz!!
Southern-Country-503@reddit
iSKOMPLEKSIRANI COBANI.
InvestigatorLoud7763@reddit
These are clearly Bosnian Croats. Bosnia was part of Rumelia, Croatia wasn't (now it's popular to call Rumelia "Balkan")
This still doesn't prove that Croatia is a Rumelian ("Balkan") country.
We Croats usually call these type of people "seljačine"
Conscious-Map6957@reddit
Let's settle this debate once and for all...
There are two types of Balkan countries - Austro-Hungarian occupied and Ottoman-occupied. A century late and you can still tell which territory was under whose occupation back then when looking at random statistics maps.
Due to this, there is a perceived (and factual) difference between countries and even regions within countries, and some people don't want to be associated with the other Balkan type.
Note: in some of these statistics Greece it's not so obvious, they are built different I guess.
bestestname@reddit
Balkans always start south of your country, much like Eastern Europe starts East from where you are
No-Championship-4632@reddit
I've been to Croatia and I know Croats. They are certainly Balkan.
Embarrassed_Bus5249@reddit
How do xou know that? Which criteria you use?
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
He visited Split and knows a couple of Herzegovians.
BackAgain034@reddit
one word
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KOMPLEKSI
PavelKringa55@reddit
Not all Croats are like that. Some are. Some hate being like that.
karlowolf05@reddit
And that's the worst part about it... exactly those pretentious assholes who hate that.
PavelKringa55@reddit
There is nothing pretentious about hating primitivism.
bvana_herbalajzer@reddit
there is a lot of pretentiousnes in your coment tho. This is not primirivism, and has nothing to do with it
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
That's exactly the case with pretty much every Balkan or any other country that has certain starta that brandishes certain type of behavior.
Dazzling-Meringue810@reddit
Papaks
Competitive_Banana_6@reddit
Ustaške pičke
driftstyle28@reddit
What kind of shoes is the dude in the silver suit wearing LMAO
SeanBourne@reddit
That TikTok is the Balkanest thing that ever Balkaned
Additional_Rice81@reddit
these are from djakovo slavonija, they are pure balkan so is dalmatia inland, posavina and lika...everything north is still culturally close to balkan but they have also other influnces
TheAimIs@reddit
You may leave away from the Balkans but Balkans will not leave from you. Balkans live inside you!!
Broad-Anywhere-9224@reddit
100% Balkans:))
Medical_Cupcakes@reddit
This is bosnian culture. I can hear in their accents and seenon the style, music, etc, that they are bosnian croatians. As a person from Zagreb we do not claim them
Vegetable_Might_3359@reddit
I am Croatian and I don't care where Croatia is on Balkan level since I seen every nation do something similar to this video. There are so many idiots all around the globe, its not specific to a nation or geo postion. What gets me mad is why are they always in politics.
SkibidiDopYes@reddit
Because they are brainwashed into thinking that. Unfortunately for them, theres a thing called geography which shows that about 50% of Croatia is on thr Balkan peninsula. Socially/demographically we could argue that they are heavily influenced by Italy and Austro-Hungary in some parts but that does not diminish the fact that they are a Balkan country. Its like saying "Serbia aint Balkan" just because Vojvodina is geographically not in the Balkans and is heavily influenced by Austro-Hungary.
Joe_num6@reddit
From this video, you have to appreciate that Balkan remains in its peak, core performance even on the very borders
KingKiler2k@reddit
Tends to be the ones in the north that say that or in bigger cities, we fill all the criteria for balkans, corrupt, genocides committed against minorities, dictators, warcrimes.
unnamedtrack1@reddit
They are slim fit...
Linaran@reddit
As a Croat,I think we are.
Drunk_Nut@reddit
I am from the northernmost tip of Croatia and honestly I would never say I am balkan. I have more in common with Slovenes and Austrians than with people from other parts of Croatia like Dalmatia or Slavonia. I identify with my regional identity much more.
Intrepid-Photo-6178@reddit
Hahahahahahaba🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ultimate_Warrior_69@reddit
Croats are catholic? Maybe that's why
darksugarfairy@reddit
Idk but that guy looks like Leonardo DiCaprio from temu lol
D0nkeyHS@reddit
Why do you think Croats think they aren't Balkan?
carelhor@reddit
Legend says that Sava river is Balkan border, so some part of Croatia is Balkan, some is not.
Frequent_Fox2342@reddit
Croats are very much Balkan and whatever country I travel west of Croatia I always thinks someone needs to inject Balkan into those people.
AdvancedAd3228@reddit
Obviously Mitteleuropa, just look at their lederhosen and how beautifully they yodel!
ParsleyTricky4136@reddit
the old car plate starts with DJ.
that's from romania
VigilanteRabbit@reddit
What the fuck is this shit, jesus.
ServesYouRice@reddit
Because being Balkan means being backwards and not Mitteleuropa so they do what every other teenage girl does - pretend they are better than their peers
Admirable_Mud_470@reddit
They should follow our lead: we’re larping as Mitteleuropa despite being Balkan and straight-up Asian
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
My brother in law is a pure blooded Hungarian from Debrecen, for 15 years he's been giving me shit about me being a typical Balkaner whenever I confront him with something he disagrees with or say something he straight up refuses to accept, after a few sentences he inevitably falls back to -oh of course you're going say that, typical Balkan mentality etc.😄😄😄
Admirable_Mud_470@reddit
I would say in Hungary there is a divide between mentalities. I think I know the type you are describing but ‘Balkan mentality’ is common here also
Beautiful_Limit_2719@reddit
Well, to you, we are basically America.
FewZookeepergame5825@reddit
https://youtu.be/9iltZMaztso?si=jROFno4ZtWpJxk34
Admirable_Mud_470@reddit
“Mitteleuropa” sounds cringe af f being in that
JRJenss@reddit
Check out the silver surfer!! 😂😂 That dude is from outer space
itzwhatitizzz@reddit
I’m half Balkan and proud. Half being the key word 😂. But for real, my mother’s side is half Croatian, and she always said “we have some German”, probably because my great grandpa spoke German for not the most peaceful reason’s. DNA tests inevitably proved her wrong…
Droooomp@reddit
Leonardo di Carpio
venusinfurstattoo@reddit
Hahhaha lovely
AMX-002_Neue_Ziel@reddit
You can easily replace the Croat flag with a Turkish flag; no one would catch it.
HellstromGR@reddit
Balkan flex
ayyyyyy_lmaoooooo@reddit
These are Hercegovci and as such not true Teuto-Prussian Croats.
ThisDuckIsOnFire555@reddit
I know it's a meme at this point, but there are some very solid arguments against Croatia being Balkans. Yes, we have corrupt politicians, but you don't think Czechia, Hungary, Poland, or Latvia doesn't? Yes, we have some traditions that are the same in Bulgaria and here, but that alone doesn’t really define a “Balkan” identity either, because those traditions often stretch across much of Central and Eastern Europe. You don't think gentlemen like these exist in Russia, or maybe even in the UK?
Historically, Croatia was shaped more by Central European and Mediterranean spheres than by the Ottomans. Large parts of the country were under the Habsburgs and the Venetian Republic, which shaped its institutions, cities, and culture to Vienna, Budapest, and Venice rather than Istanbul.
Religiously, it is predominantly Roman Catholic, which connects us with Western and Central Europe, in contrast to much of the Orthodox and Islamic heritage commonly associated with the Balkans. Let's not ignore this.
On top of that, coastal regions like Dalmatia have a strong Mediterranean identity, urban life, architecture, cuisine similar to Greece (which yes is also Balkans but idk if anyone on Crete really cares about Belgrade or Tirana, sorry). Istria looks more like Italy than anything else on the Balkans.
I am not really good in history, but looking back even for the last 1000 years gives you quite a few reasons to exclude Croatia from the Balkans.
Also, economically, we are at this moment closer to Slovenia than to Serbia, Bulgaria or Bosnia. And while I see a strong contrast when crossing the border to Slovenia, there is a similar contrast when going to Bosnia or Serbia.
I am not even saying Croatia isn't Balkans, I am not saying being Balkan is wrong, but simply saying "Yup Croats are delusional they're 100% Balkaneros" is wrong as well.
v_rex74@reddit
Croatia is on the border of Balkans and middle Europe. So it is influenced by both. Claiming Croatia is not on Balkan is a lost cause, as much as claiming it is not in middle Europe. Both are equally right and wrong
FuckTheCake@reddit
Because we are in Western Europe or the Mediterranean
Substantial-One1934@reddit
Exactly,pure Balkans.
ETB__@reddit
im from croatia and here we kinda think we are 5050 balkan
MFDOM2K@reddit
Balkan countries begin on your country's east and south borders.
Lopsided-Sound-1119@reddit
Who cares, is it so important?
nasilnidesnicar@reddit
Why do you think they are? Because some of them are listening this type of music? Or dressing like the silver guy?
AnteDatTrainer@reddit
It is difficult to define "Balkan" as it is not a geographical term per se, it is a cultural term that defines a certain type of cultural normatives. The most accurate way to define a Balkan area is to mark every european territory under Ottoman rule, where they have made a permanent influence. If you look at it that way, you will notice that not all of Croatia was occupied, and made to live under Ottoman rule, under Ottoman law, most notably some major coastal cities (mostly under Venice or Ragusa) and some inland urban areas that today represent the majority of Croatian population (Zagreb). That is why not everyone relates to the term, why some people are more drawn to central european values, it isn't only a "vanity" issue, it is also a cultural identity that isn't shared among everyone, but it is surely present in Croatia. Because of all of this, calling Croatia a balkan country is right, but also calling it central european would also be correct due to strong ties with Austria, Hungary and northern Italy. And to be perfectly transparent, I am from Croatia, so my views may be biased.
BOYYA_AYYOB@reddit
Well only the stupid ones do... unfortunately that's a lot of us
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
2 countries of the sub aren't, actually, Balkan... but, Slovenia/Croatia/Serbia/Montenegro r for sure Balkan.
Embarrassed_Bus5249@reddit
What is criteria that one country is 'balkan" country?
Ok_Tie_7564@reddit
Geography.
ReflectionPure6900@reddit
Is that a E24 6 series? It's back looks freaking awesome compared to most modern cars.
Kreol1q1q@reddit
Well not all Croats act like this. Croatia is one third Balkan, one third Mediterranean, and one third Central European.
Ok_Tie_7564@reddit
True that.
Ok_Tie_7564@reddit
I was born in Zagreb (Agram) and always understood we were part of Central Europe because the river Sava was the border between Balkan and the rest of Europe, and south from Zagreb, across the river, was Balkan.
BabaRogata@reddit
Because we don’t want to be put in the same group as Serbs. Happy now?
And apparently this is what every wedding in Croatia looks like.
undercover_rhodesian@reddit
What about the Slovenians then? They turned gay to prove they are not!
Vegetable_Vehicle893@reddit
One condition to be a real Balkan country is to think you are better than the other Balkan countries
BabaRogata@reddit
Why do Serbs have a hard time understanding satire?
isustevoli@reddit
After first the ethnic cleansing waves of WW2 and post WW2 and a wave of immigration durning and after the wars in the 90s, Croatia has definitely become more Balkan, especially southern and eastern parts of it.
Select people from B&H being given more cultural influence through war profiteering and nepotistic politics has definitely helped in pushing Balkan cultural elements to the front. It can be argued that Balkan culture is dominant in Croatia these days.
However, even as late as post WW2, Croatia had little to do with the Balkans. The coastal region was very much Italian (my families ancestors, Croatians with a Croatian surname, spoke Italian as their first language up until the Croatian national revival). Goes double for Istria, that was part of both Italy and Austria at one point. Central Croatia's (Croatia proper's) culture was closely connected to Hungarian culture (the customs of Podravina and Baranja region are in a lot of cases a reskin of Hungarian customs). In comparison, everything south of the Sava river was under the Ottoman empire for generations. Those customs stuck and we're later brought to Croatia by among others Bosnian Catholics that started identifying strongly as Croatians at one point under the influence of Franciscan monks' efforts in the region, the aforementioned Janjevci ethnic group etc.
What's important to understand is that the ethnic map of Croatia completely shifted in the past 70 years. You had the expulsion of Italian and Hungarian-speaking population from Rijeka. You had Volksdeutcher being being ethnically cleansed from Slavonia and Srijem by the communists. Purges of Croatian nazi intelligentsia in Central Croatia. You had state-organized migrations of population from Zagora and Hercegovina into the depopulated areas. In the 80s you had important bureaucratic positions in Croatia stacked by Serbs.
And during and after the war you had the romantization of southern and southeastern regions of Croatia and Hercegovina as "Truer". These areas were heavily hit by the wars in the 90s and saw heavy fighting and civilian casualties. You'll hear mythmaking about King Tomislav, Croatian tattoos and the Illium being located up the Neretva river among others that served politically as ways to strengthen the "3rd entity", the Croat people in B&H. The economic migrations of the early 21st century were just the cherry on top of this whole mess.
So what does this mean? Croatia was never a singular entity up until after WW1. A mish-mash of Italian, German, Austrian, Hungarian and Balkan influences made Croatia culturally heterogeneous and during the last 70 or so years you saw all these cultural influences mashed together as politics pushed Southern Slav Pan-Slavism.
Is Croatia Balkan? Depends on who you ask. Ethnically I'm all over the place, except from the areas where customs like what you see in the video are the norm. My parents' wedding was ABSOLUTELY folk-ish (they got married in national costumes even) but had 0 to do with what you're seeing here. So did the customs on other sides of my family, none of which had much to do with the Balkans as imagined by the memes.
I'll also add that part of my family is from Kranj, Slovenia and the yokel customs there have more in common with customs in parts of Zagorje than Customs in parts of Zagorje have with the video. BUT...what you're seeing is Balkan cultural domination. As cultural expressions like these became normalized and the "Genes of Stone" became a de facto shorthand for "what's truly Croatian"...yes Croatia has become Balkan through ethnic cleansing, population drift, migration, national mythogenesis and good ol Capitalist cronyism. Colonized by the Balkans...man, what a scene.
DelMariachi@reddit
Ovaj u srebrnom alien je očito ženik...
Hot_Landscape7345@reddit
In some parts of Croatia, these people aren’t even considered croatian. There’s a huge difference between certain parts of Croatia and regions like Istria, Dalmatia and the Rijeka area vs this area. No offense, but these people are the worst kind you can find in Croatia
aethiuss@reddit
I am from Zagreb, Croatia and I feel more Mediterranean than Ballan. 90% of people I know feel Balkan though
ReservateDweller@reddit
Croatia is the death strip between the West and the Balkans. And the Mediterranean.
Croatia is all of it and nothing of it at the same time.
klemp0@reddit
Combined IQ is 4.
cysacysa@reddit
I am croatian and i never thought that i am not from the Balkans, actually i am kind of proud of it especially when i come back from my travels from some of stiff up countries like Austria or Germany.
fromplanetearth8@reddit
Because they are always trying so hard to be differenf but few sips of Rakia turns them back to being what they are- classis Balkanci
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
Complex of high value... This shit amplified when they went to EU.
Prigorec-Medjimurec@reddit
Pretty much every Balkan nationalist except Bulgaria and Turkey tries to mental gymnastics his country out of the Balkans.
It is the same how eastern European countries try everything they can to not be eastern European, even though until 1990 eastern Europe was all the way until the Elbe.
It is how Romania pretends to be Central Europe.
Queasy-Park1119@reddit
I don't care how silly the shiny guy looks, his confidence wearing it is admirable.
Nejpalm@reddit
Yep Balkan. But whats the point in "Croatia is Balkan country"? Whats good/bad about it?
amazingamy19@reddit
Why would they want to be NPC mittel europeans
IvanMSRB@reddit
Ih bin mitel ojropa ja ja 😎
volim_luk@reddit
Define Balkan - as far as I know that's a mountain in Bulgaria
prolapseenthusiat@reddit
I never heard any of my landsman claming they are middle european or so ?!
TunaPablito@reddit
No one in Croatia thinks that
sirenyti@reddit
Racism
Wild_cmpt6406@reddit
Mittel Europa
Better-Ad-2874@reddit
Delusional
_inThePines_@reddit
Ovo su je druga generacija bosanaca u HR.
Komursiyahcelik@reddit
Everyother Balkan country think they are not like each other
https://i.redd.it/p0tif0kj9n2h1.gif
MindDivergence@reddit
Because balkan culture is not a desirable culture if you want for more in life, more than traditional resignation or religious superstition.
Beautiful_Limit_2719@reddit
Although I don’t consider us a 100% Balkan country (maybe 33%), I couldn’t resist posting this link
FOSS-game-enjoyer@reddit
Everyone knows croats are a southeast asian folk
zizuu21@reddit
Havent met one that doesnt think they arent? Slovenians possibly but not Croats.
Sad_Recording_1290@reddit
We don't?
ajdesime@reddit
I think most of us consider ourselves Balkan. Then we see a video like this and think, "I'm not THAT Balkan." Perhaps this is where we come off as rejecting being Balkan.
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Balkaners when they find something Balkan about Croatia
Schmutzschutzigen@reddit
Modern Croatia is made of 50% Bosnian settlers, have that in mind.
rawrr9@reddit
Slovenia does not have much in common with us, true. They are gay, we are not.
MatchAltruistic5313@reddit
Pathetic how you so desperately want us to be a part of your "Balkan" hahahha
Yes, we have almost the same language as Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Yes, we are south slavs like Bulgarians. Other than that, Bulgaria is about as close to us culturally as Slovakia.
Also Balkan doesn't actually mean anything. To young people here it's a codeword for "ex-yugoslavia". When they listen to "balkan" music, they mostly talk about Serbian music. Not Bulgarian or Greek songs. Same goes with movies and other media.
People talk about the peninsula like it's actually a thing. I don't see a peninsula here. If the whole region is a peninsula, than the whole of Europe can also be considered a peninsula lol. The Balkans are just some mountains inbetween Bulgaria and Greece.
Our history has nothing to do with the "balkan" - that's the byzantine (east Roman) history while we were for a millenium a part of the west Roman history. Not that I give a shit actually but there's that.
Maybe the food is the closes we have to balkan because of a significant Turkish influence. We do overlap with Serbian and Bulgarian dishes. In Slavonia, it's closer to Hungairan and central Croatia has a distinct germanic cuisine. In Dalmatia it's more mediterranean, so closer to Italy or Greece.
Croatia is very diverse. Always was the border to the eastern cultural sphere. But insisting that it's a fully "Balkan" country is ridiculous.
rick_boby@reddit
this is classic Balkan 101
Koravski@reddit
These are not Croats
el_salinho@reddit
Virtually nobody in Croatia thinks that. There are some delusional people everywhere though.
Particular_End_4917@reddit
They are not orthodoxes. Real Balkanise character is mainly orthodoxy and balkanized, liberal islam
Nightmareinbeige_01@reddit
Jer su balkanjerosi
Financial-Newt2291@reddit
It’s interesting you say this, as many don’t even want to recognize the commonality between the languages.
Tina_bambina78@reddit
I don't know, but that video certainly feels Balkan... 😂
Byokugen@reddit
Balkan is a state of mind 😁
TheConsistent_Nobody@reddit
you are a shame for balkans... the music can barely be heard
also, wtf are those in the silver oscar guy feet?!
Reasonable_Boss8060@reddit
Oh man, this video just screams Balkan, in the bad way:)
Pantolonun_Utulusu@reddit
This video checks all the boxes of being balkan: Dancing, music, heavy drinking, in the middle of the road, with your country’s flag, wearing flamboyant clothes.
AdvantageStatus4635@reddit
Balkan, balkan, balkan, this is a balkan cmon...
bigwinboard@reddit
Serbs always love to tell Croats what they are.
AdvantageStatus4635@reddit
Abject_Avocado_6410@reddit
Phreekphunky@reddit
The guy in silver definitly is one.
M3z0polis@reddit
Listening Ceca is UberBalkan.
fishdrumstick@reddit
I think you mixed us with Slovenia, I never heard any Croats said that and I am living here 35 years
Mitkoztd@reddit
The future is bright..
May I ask for the name of the song please?
Tiny-Mulberry-2114@reddit
That's one ugly ass suit to wear at a wedding.
KrunoOs@reddit
That's just what they telling themselves. One of their insecurities. Prolly consider themselves great patriots aswell and have a need to broadcast that too.
SiteOdd1480@reddit
Ich bin Mitteleuropa Vatti
funfacts_82@reddit
Well from my experience i woul dsay it depends on the region in croatia. Eastern croatians are indeed very balkan.
On the other Hand Dalmatians, especially coastal dalmatians are a lot closer culturally to italians than balkans.
Prudent-Werewolf3712@reddit
We don’t, some do
dave__autista@reddit
That suit . . . jesus christ
Prestigious-Job-9825@reddit
I never heard anyone in the world claiming that Croatia isn't a Balkan country, and I spent plenty of time there.
tardoos@reddit
Except most Croatians do. Especially those that are most Balkan-like.
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
You definitely havent spent enough time here then.
klariklari@reddit
These rednecks are Balkan, I am not.
victimized777@reddit
There is no other thing more Balkan, that to hate the other Balkan countries, so essentially they are pure
Abject_Avocado_6410@reddit
Rofl 😂😂😂
Abject_Avocado_6410@reddit
Because Croatia isn’t Balkan!!
-ungodlyhour-@reddit
Then what is it?
Abject_Avocado_6410@reddit
Mediterranean-central
-ungodlyhour-@reddit
Low effort trolling
Annoying_guest@reddit
Do they not have byrek?