Dear Mechanics: What's a modern car that can be reasonably maintained for 15+ years as a daily driver?
Posted by ibelieveinbass@reddit | Autos | View on Reddit | 61 comments
Context:
I just sold my beloved 2015 Subaru Outback after 156k miles of hard use as a daily driver. It was used and abused as basically a cargo van 6 days a week for most of that period and it performed flawlessly until just the last 1-2 years. It recently was threatening to join the Fraternity of Expensive Sounds, but my concern was that all the repairs I'd had done in last 24ish months were all 20-30% of the cars KBB value at the time, which really made me wonder if it was worth it to try and keep her on the road.
Now, I don't expect cars to maintain value forever, especially if they're being daily driven, but that leads me to wonder, are there any modern (2010+, preferably with a stick shift) cars that can be repaired/maintained for a reasonable yearly cost, or do modern shop rates just mean that I'm going to need to learn to wrench on my own cars? Or do I need to just suck it up?
I love the idea of buying a good car and keeping it running well for as long as possible. Every time I see a clean 90s Corolla or Miata or Accord it brings a huge smile to my face. But with how much technology is shoved into new(ish) cars, are the days of 20 year old daily drivers that run as well as they did new a thing of the past?
Thanks for your input.
Nope_nope_nope-nope@reddit
I don’t think anybody really knows because they haven’t been out long enough lol.
ferraricare@reddit
Almost any main line car. It's all about the maintenance.
mac_XL95@reddit
and how you drive it, someone that blasts 80mph on the highway in a inline 4 SUV is far different than someone driving city traffic 90% of the time in a honda civic
ferraricare@reddit
I would argue that one can offset this difference significantly by increasing maintenance intervals.
Budget-Razzmatazz-54@reddit
This is the correct answer
You can keep anything on the road for an extended period of time with proper maintenance and repairs
Albeit, at varying costs
Gizmo45@reddit
I'm partial, but the new ND Miata is as reliable as any and drives wonderfully. Mine has been driven like it's supposed to and aside from a known issue with their air conditioning line springing a leak, it's been flawless. I'd buy it again today if I had to.
ibelieveinbass@reddit (OP)
I'd have one of these in a heartbeat, but I'm 6'4" 😭
72corvids@reddit
I'm 6' even. I "fit" in my friends NB2, but not for a super long drive. I do fit just fine in the NC, and if were to buy a Miata, that's the one I'd go for.
hohaqua@reddit
Then you want a s2000
ibelieveinbass@reddit (OP)
Ah yes, the famously spacious Honda S2000????
Bruh.
Luuseens@reddit
There's seat lowering brackets. Some also delete a bit of foam from the seat. I've seen redditors claim things like "My friend that are 6'3"+ have all commented on how it's perfect for them"
Platanium@reddit
I am determined to get an NA Miata
Virtual_Boot_188@reddit
The problem isn’t so much about reliability and maintenance the problem is parts availability. Cars aren’t built to last long and if there aren’t many around then the places that stock parts will stop stocking as well. The days when many vehicles were built with the exact same components are over, we are finding the same make, model and year vehicles having different front ends due to trim/option variations and this makes parts availability even worse. Planned obsolescence is making it impossible to keep a car for 2 or 3 decades now. Even scrap yards aren’t keeping cars for more than a few years. Something as simple as a defective radio can render a car useless due to the integration into the dash
doubled112@reddit
This is what I'm expecting to be a common killer in modern cars. That touchscreen that's connected to everything. $5000 for a head unit? Skip. Oh wait, I can't turn off the AC or get into maintenance mode without it.
chillen365@reddit
Frontiers vq40 engines are pretty bulletproof. Sensors here and there but that engine lasted 2005-2020 before they finally went to a newer vq38
ninesandaces@reddit
Last gen Tacoma/Tundra/4Runner/Camry/RAV4, no turbo or hybrid new ones should all be solid
Sickranchez87@reddit
Nah the 2020 rav 4 hybrid my friend drives already has 190k miles and hasn’t had a single problem, they’re damn near bulletproof. Our 2010 prius has 210k without any major repairs and the 05 prius we sold to our friend a few years back just now needs a hybrid battery after we beat the living shit out of that car for years. Hybrids have way less things that can break(mostly lol)
spitfire883@reddit
Toyota hybrids are completely different to other hybrids
thiccancer@reddit
Yep, the Toyota e-CVT is great. It's SUPER simple and doesn't have any of the belt bullshit of older conventional CVTs.
flexrayz@reddit
It’s a masterpiece that no one else has the rights too unless Toyota gives the okay
1989toy4wd@reddit
Maybe Fun fact, you still see mid 2000s ford escape hybrids because Toyota helped develop it. At least I read that somewhere
L44KSO@reddit
35 years worth of on the road development does that to technology.
MakersOnTheRock@reddit
Yup. 2020 limited 4Runner here. It's a champ. The car will probably outlast me.
SparrowBirch@reddit
The Toyota turbos and hybrids have no trouble going 15 years.
frogsRfriends@reddit
Crown Vic it’s designed for fleet maintenance
KingPhilip01@reddit
As much as I love my crown Vic, it’s a far cry from modern…
frogsRfriends@reddit
It’s modern-esque-ish
KingPhilip01@reddit
I mean in a way. But at the same time, the Vic is a what most modern cars aren’t: cheap, brick shithouse reliable, rugged but smooth. Shit, they don’t even make sedans anymore, so it’s unique in that regard alone.
Leafy0@reddit
Anything VW with the 5 cylinder. My 2009 rabbit just crested 240k miles last week, it’s getting treated to some new suspension bushings and the sub frame clunk fix as a reward. I expect to get at least another 100k out of it before it’s too rusty to be worth repairing, there’s only so much wool wax can do on a car that you didn’t start treating until it had a decade worth of winters on it without.
BrickDad5000@reddit
I miss my 90s cars simple fun light could see out of the things you pretty much had to try and break them. And some would not break.
plaugedoctrwithradar@reddit
Newer Mazdas are a good option. Very few of them have turbos, none of them have cvts, and some of the new ones don’t even have egr. And their “skyactiv” technology just means that their engines can run a much higher compression ratio, so it’s not anything mechanical that’s going to cause any long term maintenance or reliability concerns
CauseImTheCatMan@reddit
Can confirm. I've got 2.
xftwitch@reddit
You're going to have a hard time finding something that will replace the Outback in a manual in a Honda or Toyota, sadly. Unless you go for another Subaru. But after 2010 even those are tough to find in a manual.
CMG30@reddit
The venerable Honda Civic.
The single most reliable car in the past 2 decades has been the Toyota Prius.
Modern EVs with an LFP battery should outlast every mainstream internal combustion vehicle current available.
bacon_is_everything@reddit
I've got a 2011 jag with 145000 miles that still runs great. (Okay, needs a lil bit of work but still drives fine) If a damn jag can do it. Any car can
BothEntertainment00@reddit
F150, it's the most popular vehicle so parts are always available new, used, aftermarket at reasonable price. See 20 year old trucks all the time.
acleverlie421@reddit
G37
ubpfc@reddit
Agreed. My G37 X is a 2009 with 160,000 miles and runs really well.
audios5@reddit
5th gen 4runner
Heinz_Legend@reddit
Used Corolla
Microphone926@reddit
I daily drive my 1998 Honda Prelude every day.
1989toy4wd@reddit
3rd(maybe not getting kinda old now) 4th and 5th gen 4runner. 2014-now Camry, Corolla, rav4, Highlander, sienna. All Land Cruiser till 2022. Any non CVT non turbo Honda. Any non CVT Nissan (manual transmission options) etc
elementfx2000@reddit
I know you want a manual, but if you go electric you'll save money on both maintenance and fuel.
My Model 3 just hit 107k miles with pretty minimal maintenance. The things that have failed are a sway bar endlink ($250 fix through the dealer) and a failed PTC heater core ($1200 fix through the dealer). Fixing them myself obviously would've been cheaper, but over 8 years, I really can't complain. I save more each year on fuel alone.
bob202t@reddit
4th gen RAV4 2013-2018. You can also include the previous generation too. My father drive two 3rd gens to over 250k miles with very little maintenance. I’m on a 2018 with 98k miles and only recently replaced the brakes pads, rotors are still great. I really can’t believe how well built this car is. The amount of under body spray is 3X that of my ‘22 passport.
MarkVII88@reddit
I've kept my 2012 Mazda5, that I bought brand new, on the road and operating reliably for the past 14 years. It's down to regular maintenance and upkeep. I'd consider 2012 to still be a modern vehicle.
whizzie@reddit
Model Y
Sad_Cumme@reddit
Any base model Fiesta/Focus with the 5 speed manual.
Melburnian@reddit
In terms of parts availaibility, special tools required, simplicity, etc i think Subaru still rate very highly.
Vomure@reddit
You should learn to wrench on your own cars anyway. A lot of stuff is really easy.
People who don’t care about cars should just get a Toyota Corolla and call it a day imo. If you want something fun and manual you should test drive some stuff (I like Golfs.) Pretty much anything can be maintained if you love it enough
ibelieveinbass@reddit (OP)
I'm a big GTI fan but I need a little more storage for my work and hobbies, so I've been looking at a Golf Alltrack instead
Cautious-Concept457@reddit
Go for it
WVFRM64@reddit
The good news is that the MK7 Golf Alltrack has a big aftermarket support so with some extra cash, you can build an Golf R wagon lol
UnmakingTheBan2022@reddit
Any car
j_win@reddit
The answer is always: Toyota Corolla
tpeeeezy@reddit
my tesla model 3 is 8 years old and the only thing its needed is tires, wiper blades, and washer fluid
Travel_Dreams@reddit
I just went through this process a few months ago and found a well maintained Camry 10 years old, under 90k miles.
Depending on the job location, most years are 65k miles, but other years its 8k miles. I bought this to eat miles, get groceries and handle date night modestly. From the side it has the same lines as MBZ 500S, but front and back are Toyota.
I'm done buying MBZs, Beemers and Jags et cetera, and done working on cars (we used to have an autoparts business). The dually is utilitarian and diesel is through the roof in California, so it sits at the farm.
The bikes make me happy on the road.
I'm super happy traveling with the Camry. It was a very wise decision.
My other target for a mileage eater at double the MPG was a Prius. If I knew gas was going to pop up like this, I probably would have a Prius instead.
FartInGenDirection@reddit
Camry
Travel_Dreams@reddit
I just went through this process a couple of months ago and found a well maintained Camry 10 years old, under 90k miles.
Depending on the job location, some years are 65k miles other years its 8k, but I bought this to eat miles, get groceries and handle date night modestly. From the side it has the same lines as MBZ 500S, but front and back are Toyota.
I'm done buying MBZs, Beemers and Jags et cetera, and done working on cars (we used to have an autoparts business). The dually is utilitarian and diesel is through the roof in California, so it sits at the farm.
The bikes make me happy on the road.
If money was raining from the ceiling, I might have a sportscar, but I'm super happy with the Camry. It was a very wise decision.
My other target for a mileage eater at double the MPG was a Prius.
Wrr1020@reddit
A Ridgeline
Roc-Doc76@reddit
2017 here, going strong!
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Many