China's new homegrown gaming GPU flops in performance and price — flagship $485 LX 7G100 can't keep pace with Nvidia's older RTX 4060
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xir1u5@reddit
I think the real issue is compatibility. Most games are not optimised and compatibility tested for this card, a little time is needed so that it can actually unleash it's full potential.
siberif735@reddit
i wouldnt call it flop when they manage to do all this in short period of time. they got backup from their goverment so this is not the end of it.
sankao@reddit
This, making a GPU that can even be compared with a 4060 is a huge undertaking.
Zarmazarma@reddit
I mean they can compare it to whatever they want. The in game performance is at around 1060/1650 level, less than half that of a 3060 or 6600xt. They managed to score close to a 3060 in one synthetic benchmark. "4060" is just how they decided to market it.
nicktohzyu@reddit
That could be due to a lack of driver / game optimization. Even with nvidia / amd cards we see huge boosts just from a software update
According_Hyena_3593@reddit
You know thats the hardest and most time consuming part of the equation by a huge margin right?
And not a single game out there is developed for or tested on these gpus.
China might eventually get there ( in ten years or so) but itll be through forcing domestic game developers to start using these gpus for development and gradually gaining market share in china till foreign developers start to bother optimizing for them.
Look at amd. They have only a 5 percent market share which is still tens of millions of gpus, and if a game stutters on amd good luck getting a fix from a developer. No one bothers supporting anti lag or other amd features either. Just bare minimum fsr 3 since they need to implement that on consoles anyways.
josh_is_lame@reddit
you do realize china has a massive internal gaming ecosystem, right? theres one billion people in the country 😭 are you dense?
Jumpy_Cauliflower410@reddit
I wonder how big desktop gaming is. I hear mobile/phone gaming is big over there.
LightPillar@reddit
They only have 720 million PC gamers in china.
According_Hyena_3593@reddit
Thats literally what i said man, read
josh_is_lame@reddit
you saying itll take a decade is insane, intel was smooth sailing within like two years
Strazdas1@reddit
Intel took a decade and still had lots of issues.
nittanyofthings@reddit
I disagree that Intel is smooth sailing. My take is Battlemage and lisuan are in the same spot. The hardware has plenty of raw compute, but the drivers aren't achieving the performance it should get.
Strazdas1@reddit
And none of that ecosystem has ever used these GPUs either.
midnightbandit-@reddit
Is it harder and more time consuming than GPU architecture design
Strazdas1@reddit
Yes.
smexypelican@reddit
And semiconductor process design and manufacturing. Ya know, what TSMC does.
I argue that's the hardest, not software or GPU design.
Important-Emu-6691@reddit
TSMC doesn’t do the design they just manufacture other people’s design
smexypelican@reddit
Process design, not chip/IC design which is what you are thinking of. Someone has to design that wafer process that the ICs get fabricated on. For example you may have heard of Intel's 12nm process, Intel 7, or TSMC 5nm, 3nm, A16, etc. These are called processes.
Gunmetal_61@reddit
Seems to me people very often see the software on the surface first and take the hardware as a given. Unfortunately, a version of this dynamic also exists in the salary comparison between the two as well lol
Substantial_Goose366@reddit
A population of 1.4 billion who are quite into gaming is more than enough for continued development
LightPillar@reddit
Don't remind me of the black screen flashes I had to endure for 3 months with my 5090 at the beginning of 2025.
Potential-Cat-2790@reddit
That's their problem, not mine.
It still performs like a 1060.
Choice_Fee67@reddit
Drivers will mature and so will the hardware
If they got here this quick then it's HUGE. Amd China is officially here.
Em4rtz@reddit
They’re just reverse engineering stolen IP as usual. Won’t take much longer im sure
Choice_Fee67@reddit
As opposed to everyone else
Strazdas1@reddit
Its not the 80s anymore, you cant openly admit it.
Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit
China has been at this level of performance for years too. I remember seeing a Chinese gpu that had similar but slightly worse performance 2 years ago. It took nvidia 30 years to get to where they are and while amd does a good job, they spend a lot of money to be a distant #2 and they also have plenty of history.
It’s funny seeing these kids who know nothing about tech or engineering think that china will be spitting out ddr5-8000mts kits, pcie gen 5 ssds, and top tier gpus for 1/10 the price by end of the year. AI broke so many people’s brains in so many ways.
Sensitive-Rate-1177@reddit
Whats the performance from the homegrown GPU of other countries? Yeah...
TophxSmash@reddit
pretty bad, looking at arc and thats still way better than this.
BooksandBiceps@reddit
I think Intel has been working on their GPU line a bit longer.
TophxSmash@reddit
yeah, they just poached amds team for fun
nittanyofthings@reddit
They really started from scratch with Xe. The old integrated graphics stack was a liability.
EJ19876@reddit
Which other country painted itself into a corner thus creating the need for it to develop a homegrown GPU in the first place? Yeah...
Sensitive-Rate-1177@reddit
Yikes lmao. Not accepting you will always be dependant on the US goodwill for anything is "painting yourself into a corner".
You know, that little peaceful nation that wont sabotage and strong arm its allied into accepting their places as vassals.
Plaza accord sends its regards.
Zarmazarma@reddit
Are these theoretical cards claiming to have 4060 performance? If they are, I'll be sure leave a comment on that thread as well pointing out how it's not remotely true.
nanonan@reddit
I'm suspicious of the presence of framegen in these tests, could be painting a far worse picture than the reality.
mennydrives@reddit
It can't be. There's no ray tracing or AI upscale and it doesn't even hold up against a 3060 so it's actually closer to the GTX 1660 from 2019.
Only with double the TDP.
peter_seraphin@reddit
yea, wait 5 years and were cooked
Odd_Duty520@reddit
Yeah, they did what Intel has done but Intel has like orders of magnitude more resources to pour into this
CheesyCaption@reddit
Intel does not have more resources than the CCP.
VastTension6022@reddit
The CPC is not spending all of china's money on gaming gpus
Strazdas1@reddit
Neither does Intel on arc.
nanonan@reddit
They have enough to hand 10% over to the US government for nothing.
TechTechTerrible@reddit
They sold shares for money. What on earth are you talking about?
nanonan@reddit
That money was already allocated to them in the Chips deal. THey were struggling to meet obligations.
They traded 10% of their company rather than follow through with their obligations. I'd hardly call that a sale.
cosine83@reddit
You clearly don't understand the scope of spending the CCP is(n't) doing here. Do you just turn your brain off when it comes to China?
Odd_Duty520@reddit
That's not the semiconductor scene in China at all. There are hundreds of small to medium sized chinese semicon companies all fixing to get the governments funding and no single company is able to get anywhere near the funding of what intel gets. They have a few national champions for specific market segments like CXMT and SMTI but I can guarantee you that it is nowhere near how much Intel could spend on it in comparison
anders_hansson@reddit
Resources are also about employees, tooling, etc.
Efficient_Care8279@reddit
People are actually crazy to expect them to just pop in and be competetive with nvidia amd or intel it will take time
GodisanAtheistOG@reddit
Yeah, people need to pay attention to the rate of change, not just the point of time performance.
These guys will be caught up (in terms of compute anyhow, and eventually gaming if they even give a shit) within the next few years.
Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit
They’ve been at this level for 2 years at least. You’re hyping something that doesn’t exist for a dopamine hit. Sad man.
jinjuwaka@reddit
This. It can't compete now.
Just give them a few years.
RedditNotFreeSpeech@reddit
Yeah, I was like, damn they're already at 4060 speeds?
aetheriality@reddit
ya, i was gonna say: give it 2 years
anders_hansson@reddit
They also managed to deliver on software. Having a new architecture with a new software stack run many major titles in the first iteration is pretty amazing.
Dav_nobody@reddit
This is big because this card contains no US technology that can be sanctioned by the US administration.
samppa_j@reddit
Flop maybe, but still, china made their own GPU and it seems to work, even if not competitively yet. ...give them a bit, China is pretty good at copying things
Yantarlok@reddit
They’re pretty good with innovating in their own too.
See DJI, Godox, BYD, etc.
Strazdas1@reddit
using BYD as example of innovation is hilarious. They are widely known as among the worst EVs out there.
Yantarlok@reddit
Yet they offer among the best price points for vehicle feature parity compared to other brands. This seems to be true for a lot of Chinese electronics on the medium to higher end scale.
Tesla is regarded as a premium brand yet you saw the unmitigated disaster that was the Cyber Truck.
Strazdas1@reddit
They dont. Once you get parity of service turns out they are as expensive or even more expensive, but are less reliable.
Tesla is a horrible comparison, its one of the worst EVs out there. Its widely known among enthusiasts to be "plastic EV". Cybertruck is a joke. Theres a reason the only companies using it are Elons own.
Yantarlok@reddit
And I assume you have personal experience with BYD to know the total cost of ownership is worse than say, a Toyota or Volkswagen EV?
Strazdas1@reddit
Yes. BYD has opened a salon on my town last year and i have personal experience both myself and from people who bought one.
Strazdas1@reddit
So same result as the GPU they made 2 years ago. And the one they made 6 years ago.
throwawayerectpenis@reddit
Not bad at all, excited to see how they improve from here going forward.
noiserr@reddit
Not bad at all? It's a $485 GPU providing the performance of a $200 GPU from 2022.
Despeao@reddit
Not worth the price for sure but we desperately need new competition.
I can't see how having at least someone else other than Nvidia / AMD could be a bad thing.
Intel should also step up their game.
noiserr@reddit
That's because you don't understand gaming GPU economics. There is only ever room for 2 providers in the tiny market. This is why Intel tried and failed. The market is too small for a 3rd player. We've known this over the past 25 years. We used to have like a half a dozen of GPU makers in the 90s.
Despeao@reddit
AMD powers millions of devices if you count consoles and Nvidia doesn't even seem interested in gaming GPUs anymore now that they're selling to data centers.
I have no idea why you believe a market like this only has space for a monopoly.
Also Intel really improved their GPUs from the first gen to the second one.
If the Chinese can compete at least for the entry and mid level cards like 60s and 70s this could provide a new solution to the prices we're seeing, especially if they can produce at scale.
There's nothing bad about competition and I've seen people mock the Chinese before, only for them to run other people completely out of business.
noiserr@reddit
because I'm an investor first and hardware enthusiast second. I analyze this prom the business point of view. And I see how much AMD struggles in this market when it comes to margins. I've followed this space for over 30 years.
MarcusOrlyius@reddit
Then why are you investing in a business that doesn't make money?
And why are you expecting anyone to take you seriously after saying this?
noiserr@reddit
I am investing in AMD because they make a crap ton of money in datacenter. As they have by far the best hardware there.
MarcusOrlyius@reddit
Given your previous comment, how is that not a contradiction?
noiserr@reddit
How is it a contradiction?
MarcusOrlyius@reddit
and
noiserr@reddit
I am referring to gaming GPU market. This is the smallest and the worst performing market segment AMD serves. If this was all AMD did I would not be an investor. Like I explained I invest because of datacenter. Where AMD has leadership products.
MarcusOrlyius@reddit
noiserr@reddit
Because I did the math.
Tape out costs dominate the price of the enthusiast GPU. This market only sells like 1M high end GPUs per year (5090s) and that's a bullish number. At 10% market share AMD only sells like 100K.
A 100K volume is not enough to pay for the tape out and development costs, which is well in $100M+ range. This means that just to cover for tape out costs AMD has to spend $1000 per chip (not counting memory and other components and the actual cost of making the chip).
The enthusiast GPU market is too small for more than one competitor. And a smaller competitor can't get more volume unless they have the halo product. Meaning you can only have one dominant player, while the rest pickup scraps.
And the more small competitors you have just hurts the small players. When Intel entered the market it didn't take Nvidia marketshare, it took AMD's marketshare.
Gunmetal_61@reddit
It’s not about today and this GPU alone. It’s about tomorrow and what China will eventually be able to both design and produce completely domestically. Taking for granted that they’ll never catch up and even surpass is foolish.
Saralentine@reddit
This reminds me of when westerners were calling Chinese electric cars shit and then they just leapfrogged everyone.
R-ten-K@reddit
very similar narratives were used against the Japanese and Koreans as well.
There’s a racist contradiction in how some Americans view China: Chinese in the US are stereotyped as highly educated/academically strong, yet somehow some Americans still act shocked that they could possibly produce world class technology/engineering. LOL
TheGillos@reddit
The SImpsons mocked this perfectly with Monty Burns' father saying in the early 20th century about Japanese manufacturing or tech excellence, "The Japanese?! Those sandal-wearing gold fish tenders?"
noiserr@reddit
How so? was there a $200K Chinese EV performing like a Yugo? Like this GPU? I don't think so.
Gunmetal_61@reddit
I was just over there. In the center of the city I was staying in, 95% of the cars were electric. Virtually all were domestic brands. Granted, further away from the wealthy core I saw a lot more gas cars. Maybe 1/3-1/2 electric.
I also went to some of the showrooms. Sat in an SU7. The features were on another level. Felt like someone has finally defined the next generation of car interior beyond putting everything on a screen.
noiserr@reddit
Yes but this GPU is absolute garbage. They have a lot of catching up to do. "Not bat at all" absolutely fucking misses what this card is you weirdos.
Gunmetal_61@reddit
lol I personally don’t give a damn about this GPU or any GPU for that matter. I haven’t upgraded my system in eight years. But I now work in silicon engineering so that’s where I’m coming from. Like I said in another comment, I’m not disagreeing that this card is the last one you should give your money to. First try is always gonna be kinda shit. What I’m thinking about is what this might mean for the GPU market in the future. And isn’t it better to have more options?
noiserr@reddit
It really isn't. Enthusiast GPU market is tiny. If it becomes commoditized, you will see big players exit.
StickiStickman@reddit
That's a complete non sequitur though.
This card absolutely sucks. Even at half the price it wouldn't be worth it.
That doesn't mean they won't improve in the future.
Gunmetal_61@reddit
Yeah I was digressing a little. Card is not good. Support and software infrastructure is not good. Don’t buy it especially if you’re not Chinese using Chinese IT.
But every first try is not good if the benchmark competitiveness with mature players, especially in something as hard as semiconductors. The point I was making is that we shouldn’t look at this post and write them off. The Chinese and their government are gonna continue whole-assing this and are in it for the long haul.
sicklyslick@reddit
You probably said the same thing about their electric cars back in 2018
noiserr@reddit
I didn't.
throwawayerectpenis@reddit
Maybe im out of the loop but this is the first time I see Chinese GPU actually running a modern western game or tech at a playable framerate (despite it only running at 30% of its competitors performance). To me it is surprising that they actually pulled it off.
shantired@reddit
Remember, in 2011, Elon laughed on record about the pitiful cars coming out of BYD.
Here we are, 15 years later, and BYD sells more electrified vehicles (EVs & hybrid) than Tesla worldwide. They’re so much more affordable and the USA and some other countries are banning Chinese EVs because they would decimate the local auto industry.
So, like other folks here pointed out, this something to start with, to critique, to develop on.
And guess what? All those local LLMs? Qwen 3.6 27B and others? The ones that happily run on 3000’s and 4000’s? They can be deployed en masse to a larger army of developers for cheap. Not just China, but all other SE Asian countries as well where affordable AI is sought after. For them it doesn’t matter if an AI task requires 10 minutes instead of 30 seconds.
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Boreras@reddit
The difference is that electric cars were a new industry with very little legacy advantage to established leading players. This is why Chinese electric evs are straight up ahead and more technologically advanced than Western evs, but they are still very much behind in ICE.
In terms of fabbing and gpu architectural knowhow this situation is way more like the combustion cars than completely novel technology. I imagine that in terms of design purely for AI training, inference, optical computing, quantum computing, etc the situation is more like electric evs. There's no massive historical advantage other than evs.
For gpus the big question marks will be whether Chinese fabbing can catch up and what sort of foul play the West will engage in to entrench its companies. I can't imagine Redmond will continue to sign off their drivers if they improve a lot.
Spiritual-Sundae4349@reddit
I would agree if China didn't already break down industries with well established players. One of the most comparable industries is networking. Cisco was the lead player in field. Now US had to ban chinese companies like Huawei and Mikrotik to give Cisco at least some chance in western markets. Same with 5G and Ericsson and Nokia compared to ZTE and Huawei. And those are not easy technologies to copy - there is a lot of proprietary technologies, patents, material science advances and vendor locks they had to get through.
marcost2@reddit
Because Cisco used their position in the market to just stall development? Like i get the point you are making, but you have chosen the wrong industry for that. Cisco had an Intel moment, Nokia is still very much the undisputed leaders in 5G, but they are expensive. ZTE/Huawei and Mikrotik have gotten really good, but they depend on chips from the US like Marvell and Broadcom.
tenhua@reddit
There are countless examples of this now. China starts building up at the low value end; "fine, that's easy." They start outcompeting at the low value end; "who cares? There's no big bucks there, and the top end is the hardest part." China breaks into the top-end; "okay, but do you know how hard producing these things is? We have years of expertise, and now they have noone to copy." China innovates in the top end; "nifty, but I bet its unprofitable, probably just a gimmick." China outcompetes at the top end; "of course, I always said it was inevitable..."
TarnishedIguana@reddit
From the reverse angle, car manufacturing was extremely established. The Chinese has been building the big German manufacturers cars for decades, and moving to electric isn't much more than swapping the drivetrain and motors + batteries.
That said, I'm not sure why the negativity around western foul play? It's essentially been China's modus operandi to strip mine the worlds IP and spin up their own offerings. Playing China on its own terms is hardly bad faith
Gunmetal_61@reddit
The thing is it looks to me that the West is damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. You let them have access to Western stacks, legal or not, and the surface exposed for outcompeting is that much larger. You try to cut them off? Well in the long run, they have an internal market bigger than the US or any individual continent that isn’t the one they’re on.
And from the US’ perspective specifically, it is already too late to use its weakening alliances (self-own by thine own hand) to form a unified global front against Chinese industry. Not that it ever seemed very realistic in the first place. Other countries are increasingly going to look out for themselves. If their internal calculus favors doing business with the Chinese, there’s not much that can be done to stop them.
The sooner this is emotionally accepted over here, the sooner people can get to actually stepping up their game which is the only realistic long-term path.
TarnishedIguana@reddit
Agree, I do think the future will follow something along the lines of Carneys 'union of middle powers'.
Between the impending demographic crash of China, the rapid descent of American intellect, and those trying to create a network outside of that madness, the next 30 years are likely to be quite interesting!
You are right that America needs to dig itself out of this hole though. I think it won't be a surprise to say that everyone on this side of the Atlantic is genuinely sick of you now, and there's every little goodwill. It's always funny to hear the Trump led chorus of 'how little the rest of the world pays' when the world has essentially been paying the fees to American corporation's that find the machine.
I wonder what the outcome would be if we see other countries start spinning up businesses that threaten the huge margin of American tech. I think the US is in a far more precarious situation than it realises
Strazdas1@reddit
and BYD cars are still crap, they just get heavy subsidies.
Scary-Jaguar-9072@reddit
Its always so weird to me when people draw these lines in the sand saying, "China will never be able to compete in THIS industry" despite the fact China has already crossed 100 other lines in the sand people drew over the last 40 years.
At this point its more a question of what industries are left the US can still compete in.
GlossyCylinder@reddit
These people simply lack the brain to think ahead. .
erichang@reddit
if it is that easy to beat nVidia, AMD would have done it, not to mention Intel or Qualcomm.
Eggmodo@reddit
It’s that easy to beat Toyota, Hyundai would have done it….
5 years later and Chinese car manufacturing is the best in the world.
Strazdas1@reddit
lololol. Chinese car manufacturing has beaten american, but they are still very far away from japanese.
Eggmodo@reddit
My brother, the Japanese have fallen behind the Koreans. They already admit they cannot compete anymore.
Strazdas1@reddit
Korean cars are good too, i agree.
Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit
If you’re knew how ignorant you are, you’d laugh and cry at the same time
Eggmodo@reddit
lol i love how defensive people get about the truth
YSoMadTov@reddit
Correction: Chinese *ELECTRIC* car is the best in the world, they're actually behind in ICE vehicles. And they are head in electric car because their battery technology was ahead of everyone else for more than a decade already because pretty much the world's lithium production is in China because China didn't care about enviromental regulations.
nittanyofthings@reddit
It's not just about environmental damage, US politicians regularly sabotage new energy tech because...i don't know why, they just want to cause climate change or something.
YSoMadTov@reddit
Cuz they're lobbied by corporations, that's why.
electri-cute@reddit
So their renewable technology is the best in the world but they dont care about the environment? Do you have anything to back up your claims?
YSoMadTov@reddit
China going for renewables have nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with being energy independence. That’s why they are still accelerating buildin more coal power plants and their carbon emission per capita has continued to skyrocketed while other countries are declining.
electri-cute@reddit
You do realise they are the factory of the world and install more renewable in a year than the rest of the world combined?
YSoMadTov@reddit
Manufacturing is actually leaving China because Chinese labor is no longer cheap. Yet carbon emission per capita in China is also skyrocketing
While they install more renewable than the rest of the world, they also are building more coal plants than the rest of the world combined.
It’s obvious they China’s renewable strategy has nothing to do about “protecting the enviroment” and everything to do with energy independence.
sicklyslick@reddit
This is false. Their emission peaked in 2024 and is flat lining from 2024 to now. They are not "skyrocketing".
electri-cute@reddit
So if manufacturing is leaving China, why do they require all this power? How is their trade surplus still growing? The total amount of electricity a country consumes is a good indicator of how well the manufacturing sector is doing.
P.S. You stupid article is from 2022. And no manufacturing is not leaving China. Not per the actual numbers.
YSoMadTov@reddit
Manufacturers are still leaving China in 2026, it actually accelerated since 2022
They require all the power because the want energy independence, in case of, I don’t know, a war with Taiwan causing them to get embargoed?
electri-cute@reddit
lol energy independence for what if they are embargoed and manufacturing is leaving China? Where would they get their coal from? The only manufacturing that might be leaving is the loaw values work since China has moved up the value chain. FYI they are not only the biggest auto market in the world, they are also now the biggest exporter of cars.
P.S. I am not going to argue with someone as obtuse as you who does not even have basic common sense.
OrganicToes@reddit
Renewable tech does not necessarily mean you care about the environment…
China prioritises growth which requires energy security. That means more coal, oil, gas, solar - more of everything.
Meanwhile us in the Uk/Europe just ban stuff hoping it all works out.
ductato279@reddit
I mean if they were able to make one that can keep up with 4060 in that short period of time wouldn't it already be over for Nvidia?
Strazdas1@reddit
They werent.
ElectronicStretch277@reddit
Yeah, but this thing isn't even 3060/2060 levels. Its around 1060 levels of performance. For a near 500 dollar card...
ser_Skele@reddit
It's slow now but in 10years they're gonna be really close to Nvidia.
Temp_Placeholder@reddit
Sure, but how to get there from here, profitably? 10 years of R&D to catch up to where Nvidia will be (not just where they are now) isn't cheap.
So why not sell it for $100, which is about what it's worth? Probably because they'd take a loss manufacturing it.
But then who will buy at $500, when they can buy an old 1060 instead?
Must be government contracts. And since gov doesn't care about gaming, I doubt they'll really work at game optimization in the mean time.
ser_Skele@reddit
You're absolutely correct. Government paying for companies to get the tech up to western level, just like car manufacturer subsidies.
YSoMadTov@reddit
The CCP's resources isn't unlimited, their economy is in a slump and they have a debt to GDP ratio of 300%.
Moikanyoloko@reddit
Their economy had 5% gdp growth last year and their government debt to gdp ratio is around 80%.
If total debt to gdp were a relevant metric for this, the US would be fucked with their 700% ratio, but its not a typically relevant statistic, specially at their current state.
Early_Pitch_9336@reddit
In 10 years nvidia might be 20x faster with an in house process that's impossible to replicate outside of their factories
00Koch00@reddit
This is where China were 6 years ago
This is where China were 2 years ago
So i would say it flop at all, reaching 3060 and 4060 in this short amount of time it just means they will just gonna get better and better with time.
I would say the next gen might be them competing too along AMD, Nvidia and Intel
Strazdas1@reddit
They didnt. Please look at more than the headline. This GPU performs equivalent to 1060 except for single synthetic benchmark.
jenny_905@reddit
Chest beating headlines won't hide the fact this is enormous progress and a sign of competition to come. They've made an RTX 3060, sorta.
That's impressive development.
Strazdas1@reddit
no they didnt. If you actually read beying the headlines they made a 1060 that can match 3060 in a single synthetic benchmark and does not come close in any actual games.
Capt_Blahvious@reddit
They are catching up very quickly and soon we'll be asking to import their card. While the new Nvidia 7090 halo card is $5k.
Strazdas1@reddit
They arent catching up very quickly. In fact this benchmark shows they are stagnating.
verynotfun@reddit
I hope they develop the technology enough to make Nvidia eat their overpriced cards, hardware and software nerfs, and the sheer audacity they have to say they don’t plan on dropping their prices.
Dementia13_TripleX@reddit
You are starting to learn how to make cutting edge hardware from scratch.
With a newly created industry that didn't existed before.
With a inexperienced force work that you had to create in universities.
And on your first attempt you were able to create a GPU comparable to a 3060?
I think that's the opposite. It's darn impressive.
Strazdas1@reddit
No you werent. The gpu is comparable to a 1060 in gaming benchmarks. A single synthetic benchmark had same result as 3060. ALso this is not their first attempt.
Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit
You realize this is nothing new right? You’re literally making up a narrative because it makes you feel good. China has been building gpus for awhile and they’ve been at this performance level for 2 years.
Dementia13_TripleX@reddit
Someone really became upset China. 😂😂😂
Wavenian@reddit
You can't expect gamers to understand history or context.
Griffolion@reddit
Hardly a flop if they've matched 4060 performance on their first try.
Strazdas1@reddit
They didnt match 4060 performance. Look at the benchmark. They matched 1060 performance. And in one synthetic benchmark 3060 performance.
Haunting-Ad-1279@reddit
That’s what they think about Chinese cars 5 years ago, look where we are now
Strazdas1@reddit
Still behind everyone else. Whats your point?
nittanyofthings@reddit
My government won't let me look at that.
hanky0898@reddit
Remember Tesla laughing at BYD with good reasons then.
irwanichel@reddit
If it brings more players to make better competition i will be rooting for it. It doesnt matter that it comes from china, japan, india, or somewhere in the europe. I dont like monopoly or duopoly
Brave start
External_Tomato_2880@reddit
for a brand new hardware, initial version will be bad. that is expected . layer driver improvements will make it much better. it is always like that.
Sh1v0n@reddit
Not bad, regardless. Chinese GPU manufacturers are learning very fast.
porcinechoirmaster@reddit
Yeah, the performance is awful. That's to be expected with how nightmarishly complex, arcane, and deep the realtime rendering ecosystem is.
There's a reason AMD and nVidia have many many engineers working on the problem, and why it took Intel over half a decade to get their products to "slow but pretty functional."
This is a good start, and I'm glad we're seeing more toes dipping in the space.
R1chterScale@reddit
Would be really cool if - taking advantage of existing infrastructure and optimization work - they made a driver using Mesa on Linux.
Dreadsin@reddit
That seems pretty good actually for a country which hasn’t been making GPUs
Adventurous-Paper566@reddit
Ce n'est clairement pas un flop.
Sundrowner@reddit
Pray for them to make gaming affordable again
StruckByHammer@reddit
More like China almost on par with RTX 4060 for one of its first serious attempts. 4060 was pretty cutting edge NVIDIA in 2023
bloodyshogun@reddit
I welcome any potential competition to the GPU market.
Also , there's potential that there's a lot of performance left on the table, due to driver / game optimization. Intel's A series cards had drivers that improved game performance by 30-50%.
Let's hope they stick with the GPU market, and just abandon that market for the AI market (unlike Intel). I know... that's probably wishful thinking.
JackhorseBowman@reddit
I mean what was the nvidia power equivalent of the best Arc GPU Intel made? Almost 4060 levels seems pretty decent for a first go.
mydadisyourdad2@reddit
This is the worst it will be. It only improves from here. And Nvidia don't care, once the ai bubble pops they might care that huge chunks of gamers arent interested in their products. In a perfect world perhaps
HungerSTGF@reddit
People can point and laugh now but going from basically nothing to something somewhat modern is nothing to scoff at.
fixminer@reddit
At least China is working on GPUs. Europe has nothing.
sicklyslick@reddit
Decades of US reliance really damaged EUs tech and manufacturing prowess.
electri-cute@reddit
Europe will also have nothing left. Chinese car makers will eat them alive. They are already hemorrhaging sales in China and soon, the rest of the world.
RandomGuy622170@reddit
Gotta start somewhere. If you think they're going to just sit back and coast, you're kidding yourselves. There's an entire market that has been left for dead by US companies and China is absolutely going to exploit that in the next 5-10 years.
Early_Pitch_9336@reddit
its like playing games on a home desktop from 2012
Jackal-Noble@reddit
No, it's actually closer to 1070/2060 level of performance which is pretty insane and indicates that time is almost up for western gpu dominance unfortunately. Bittersweet because big tech companies have been abusing consumer pricing for 6-7 years now but they aren't by default built with backdoors.
iBoMbY@reddit
This headline is something for r/shitamericanssay
ShadowsGuardian@reddit
Given all the years AMD and Nvidia had to be where they are and the sanctions imposed on China, I'd say it's pretty impressive to be praised for these results.
You'd be impressed at how many have 3060 to 4060 given that was very common on cafes.
wizfactor@reddit
I personally wouldn’t make fun of this graphics card. Is it grossly overpriced for what it’s actually capable of? Yes, and a price drop is warranted. But I can also see a product line like this improve over time.
Between government backing and probably a dose of nationalist pride, it’s likely that LiSuan is more motivated to make their GPUs work than even Intel is with their Arc GPUs. Of course, that’s not a guarantee of long term success; names like Moore Threads and InnoSilicon come to mind. But LiSuan as a GPU maker may be worth keeping an eye on. It’s possible their next go at a graphics card won’t be a laughing stock.
kashyap69@reddit
China has imagination technologies therefore making a gpu for them was never difficult but making it good will be a different story all together
wizfactor@reddit
Based on a quick search , this GPU architecture doesn’t even use any Imagination IP, which (if true) is actually really impressive.
kashyap69@reddit
I'm almost certain they will use modified powervr gpu they have already done with moore threads
games-and-chocolate@reddit
Looking at the desert changing to land. Most countries thought China is crazy and doing something useless. But look, they actually are changing mile after mile of desert land into usuable land again.
So, looking at GPU's. It is just a matter of time.
blondie1024@reddit
If this were a US company they'd be singing its praises and the headline would read something along the lines of,
"Company slowly making headway toward an Nvidia's flagship competitor".
ElectronicStretch277@reddit
No. We did see a US company make some headway... Intel. And their cards were around double the performance of this one. The overwhelming narrative was "It's a good try but a LONG way off from where it needs to be."
mcassweed@reddit
You realise that this is a 5 year old company right?
ElectronicStretch277@reddit
You do realize it's government sponsored and likely has lots of past Amd/Nvidia talent right?
Early_Pitch_9336@reddit
no wonder it runs like a GPU from 2012! 😃
Franseven@reddit
3/4 years late compared to the most valuable company ever i think is a small win
Jaanbaaz_Sipahi@reddit
Keep at it china, try again, we’re with you. Cause American companies won’t save us gamers. We only have hope with you!
YYM7@reddit
Regardless of how you think about the GPU, I want to suggest we give more credit to the channels actually did the test, instead of outlets just copy-pasting the results and coming up with some click bait title:
https://youtu.be/cZVwXHQD4Ls?si=AcnFXPni81dQ2Vxm
Curious-Ear-6982@reddit
Thanks. The creator should get the credit
xNailBunny@reddit
Hope Gamers Nexus or some other reviewers test this thing with a much larger game selection and proper methodology (no upscaling/FG). A770 performance ranged from RTX 3050 to RTX 3070 level depending on the game; would be interesting to see what the LX 7G100 ceiling is.
floydhwung@reddit
This is not a consumer product. It would probably field quite a lot of government or state-funded corporations office PCs for national security reasons.
R-ten-K@reddit
I highly doubt they are putting gaming GPUs in office PCs...
Tman1677@reddit
Considering this one has about as much beef as a 1060, they probably are. That's about all it's good for
EJ19876@reddit
Why would they use a considerable chunk of silicon in an office machine? China has domestically-developed SoCs that contain iGPUs more than capable of running spreadsheet software, word processor, and a web browser.
Loose_Skill6641@reddit
yes it is it's advertised as a gaming gpu
Routine-Lawfulness24@reddit
So like 8 years behind? That’s ok, I’m guessing they will get at least like 15% from software and driver improvements alone
ElectronicStretch277@reddit
About a decade. Performance is currently around 1060 levels.
shuozhe@reddit
Reminds me of BYD e6, pretty interesing.. but more expensive and worse stat compared to Tesla m3/ms.
SalivateTheStarfish@reddit
It's not like Nvidia is putting out RTX 5090s out of a cave with a bunch of scraps. This is a good first from them.
hackenclaw@reddit
laugh all you want, give them 10yrs they might actually come up something competitive.
jc-from-sin@reddit
You gotta start somewhere.
SuMianAi@reddit
doesn't it need software support to run proper as well? or is all depended of hardware power?
267aa37673a9fa659490@reddit
The fact they have anything at all is way more than can be said of other countries.
Places like Europe don't even bother trying, preferring to suck US teats instead.
Marwheel@reddit
So how does Linux flare with this GPU? And quite frankly also; off from the top of my head, I don't think any of the current BSD's support Lisuan anything…
half-baked_axx@reddit
Pretty much all US tech companies rely on TSMC for their cutting edge chips. This is a fully Chinese made GPU. I bet you that more than one exec is sweating their ass off at how close they are to becoming a competitor.
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