Man made horrors beyond my comprehension
Posted by AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit | 4chan | View on Reddit | 214 comments
Posted by AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit | 4chan | View on Reddit | 214 comments
TropicalBatman@reddit
Didn't Metallica write a song about this hahaha
Nivius@reddit
well, you dont have feel on the inside of your body.
fifththrowaway@reddit
The organ system is blasted on propofol and has already lost most of the delicate hardware. No coordinated neural firing pattern that produces consciousness. Metabolically 'alive', but nobody's there.
Available_Road_2538@reddit
Thanks doctor
fifththrowaway@reddit
You're welcome. And it is, but dont hurt your brain trying to get it. Stick to easy things like vibe coding and eating crayons.
-fly_away-@reddit
hey guys, look, next nobel winner is here on reddit.
humanity now finally understands what "produces" consciousness.
genius.
fifththrowaway@reddit
That general statement is neither new nor controversial in neuroscience. Upsetting midwits is a nice bonus
GR-717@reddit
Are you a neuroscientist
swiss-y@reddit
No, he's a redditor!
GR-717@reddit
Must have learned from the great Jordan Peterson's youtube videos
GR-717@reddit
The more I read your comments the more I realise that you could have the strongest theory in the world and people wouldn't listen to you if you are an asshole about it. Seethe harder, chud.
fifththrowaway@reddit
baby needs new diapey?
GR-717@reddit
samboscan@reddit
Yep, neuroscience is well known for understanding consciousness. “The problem of consciousness” (hard and soft) is really a misnomer because neuroscientists have figured out so much about consciousness that they have no further questions about it. Questions like “what is consciousness?”, “where does consciousness come from?”, and “is there a continuation of yesterday’s consciousness after I wake up?” are all rudimentary topics addressed in the most basal of neuroscience text books.
You’d have to be a fool to not realize that the field of neuroscience has already discovered everything there is to know about consciousness.
Vox_SFX@reddit
If you think neuroscience has answered all of these questions you have no idea what is actually being discussed, which means you're not intelligent enough to be in that conversation.
Scary_Land2303@reddit
Rip
Scary_Land2303@reddit
Rip
Proud_Viking@reddit
It's obviously sarcastic
fifththrowaway@reddit
Im sorry you cant tell the difference between a general statement and someone claiming a phenomena is perfectly understood.
It must be hard being that retarded. Condolences to your wrangler
Ababababaobobobo@reddit
And other quippy insults that show how smart I am!
Misenum@reddit
Congratulations on learning to ties your shoes! I know that it was difficult for you.
_Empty-R_@reddit
all ya'll rarted
Ababababaobobobo@reddit
Not you, I was talking to the other guy
Ordo_Liberal@reddit
Thats how you know yall are all retards lmao
-fly_away-@reddit
damn, you're so clueless, it's almost like you are ACTUALLY retarded.
BasicBitchTearGas__@reddit
Brother said ‘midwits’
heckmeck_mz@reddit
Should have used the more polite term: redditors
canuck1701@reddit
But dude what about the magic soul?! This will offend the wanna be wizards.
Aggravating-Support7@reddit
bendawg225@reddit
Ur retarded
womerah@reddit
Look up the neuroscience of general anaesthesia. Brains that are not conscious are different to those that are.
konqueror321@reddit
This is a direct quote from an article in Science published yesterday. Note: ALMOST
fifththrowaway@reddit
That “almost” is not really worrying if you know what hypoxic cerebral damage (via donor body) and propofol does. But go off on the scifi horror aspect
konqueror321@reddit
So exactly how much coordinated neural firing is necessary for a whisp of a thought to form, or a feeling of pain or discomfort? Do you have a reference to a published study? And what evidence exists that persons under anesthesia with propofol have no cerebral activity, no thoughts, no mental activity? Not remembering such activity upon awakening is not evidence that the mental activity never happened!
I would be more comfortable if these brains showed no electrical activity, no evidence of neuronal firing - but that does not seem to be the case. Admittedly, the vat brains will never tell us if you are wrong, so you may remain secure in your beliefs, sleep contentedly, and continue to accuse others who might have moral questions of "scifi horror"!
fifththrowaway@reddit
Yeah it’s a shame we dont have any fmri or eeg data on what propofol induction and hypoxic brain damage does to levels of consciousness. Or any understanding of general anesthesia.
Jesus__of__Nazareth_@reddit
Well inform us then.
fifththrowaway@reddit
took 12 seconds of googling.
These aren't bold claims.
SNIP3RG@reddit
Ok.
Hypoxic brain damage is a fate worse than death, sending you to the land of “nursing homes filled with nurses on probation from previous medication diversions, leaving you to develop tunneling ulcers which will grow until your pelvis is exposed while stewing in your own waste.
Propofol make sleepy time.
You’re welcome
oknazevad@reddit
Yeah, that "almost" is doing a little too much heavy lifting for my liking.
boymoderwife420@reddit
Should be using heroin or something unironically. Propofol probably helps but isn't a painkiller.
simp4malvina@reddit
the brain cannot experience pain.
sl33ksnypr@reddit
The brain can't physically feel pain itself, but the brain can process signals that it interprets as pain. What is pain? It's your brain taking inputs from your nerves and telling you something is wrong. Somehow some way, you can prod a brain in such a way that it says there is pain even when there is no damaging stimulus.
swiss-y@reddit
Don't forget phantom pain from amputees
PureSelfishFate@reddit
the part that what connects to the spinal cord can. A very salty, painful cut, sending infinite pain into the brain.
fifththrowaway@reddit
A procedural anesthetic isnt a painkiller? Ok.
boymoderwife420@reddit
You're thinking of analgestics. I already googled it before replying but I guess I'll check again.
fifththrowaway@reddit
Nah im thinking anesthetics, esp beyond subhypnotic dosage or where you dgaf about respiratory drive depression (like a brain in a jar). Google what the word “anesthesia” means.
Analgesics are selectively blocking pain.
boymoderwife420@reddit
And your opinion on them not using analgestics, for good measure, is what exactly?
fifththrowaway@reddit
I’m apathetic. The CNS in a nutrient bath doesn’t have nociceptors to send pain signals, so the propofol-fent induction/analgesia combo is already redundant.
And I suspect the propofol is mostly a PR measure/virtue signaling for people who don’t understand medicine (You).The whole venture reeks of AI slop investor bait
boymoderwife420@reddit
You called propofol a painkiller but I don't understand medicine? Okay lol. I would in fact feel at ease if they also used a drug that acts in ways that specifically destroys pain and anxiety, when it's as helpless as a disembodied brain. Yes propofol shuts things down, but it doesn't act on the same mechanisms that specifically counteract pain and induce pleasure.
Don't bother editing that comment you made about it being a "painkiller" because I already screenshotted it. Asshole.
fifththrowaway@reddit
In that context, it definitely does kill pain, along with everything else. Again: Google what “anesthesia” means. Then google “general anesthesia “
You are leaning on technical definitions between analgesia and anesthetics that you had to search on the Internet. You have no practical experience in medicine or nuance to your knowledge.
So you get butthurt when challenged. Bringing up ‘anxiety’ is the icing on the pseud cake. Let me edit it, brb
boymoderwife420@reddit
I'm non-op retard
fifththrowaway@reddit
Ywnbaw ❤️
16years2late@reddit
Man, you really have no chill lmao
fifththrowaway@reddit
I like to punch down
16years2late@reddit
Yeah, I see that. I was trying to call you an asshole without saying it. Not because I’m upset, but just pointing it out because it’s hilarious as a bystander. So there you go.
fifththrowaway@reddit
Thx boo
boymoderwife420@reddit
As if I haven't told myself that 1000 times by now. That's like trying to cut me with a butter knife.
macmade1@reddit
the other guy is right my dude
briunj04@reddit
Thats literally how I live right now
OuterWildsVentures@reddit
Nah dont give a fuck im taking myself off the donor list
going_for_a_wank@reddit
Organ donor and donating your body to science are not the same thing
OuterWildsVentures@reddit
Thats what someone who wants to reanimate my consciousness to torture it would say
fifththrowaway@reddit
Please do.
-Desolada-@reddit
If it’s any consolation I actually know what you’re talking about and know that all of your statements are correct. I doubt you care that much because you also know your statements are correct, but rest assured someone else realizes how dumb everyone else’s seething comments toward you are.
OneLonelyBrainCell@reddit
Yeah, I know such people. They usually work in middle management.
Fisherman_Gabe@reddit
How would you know that when you can't even ask them if anyone's home? You know, on account of them lacking the equipment to perceive your attempts at communication and all.
Moron. 🙄
Shot-Buffalo-2603@reddit
It has to be bait when the moronic comment is calling someone else a moron 😭
GR-717@reddit
I have no clue what's going on in the comments but fifththrowaway needs to be banished ngl
fifththrowaway@reddit
Because consciousness is an emergent property of neuronal firing. Disable that firing pattern and the consciousness ceases.
Retard.
womerah@reddit
Emergence is an intellectual cop-out way of saying you have no idea.
fifththrowaway@reddit
Nobody has a granular understanding of all the parts, but the overarching mechanism isnt a mystery. You’re just dumb and uncertainty frightens you
womerah@reddit
Outside the binary of living, normal brain and completely dead brain, you have no idea what neuronal firing patterns are indicative of conscious experience. You can infer from the outward manifestations of consciousness, but as for internal experience you have no idea
I was under deep general anaesthesia for a major surgery and dreamt intensely, everyone told me I'd have zero experience or memory, remember the dreams to this day.
fifththrowaway@reddit
Was Santa and Goku there to help you navigate the astral realm?
womerah@reddit
Nah my dreams rarely have people in them, probably some sort of -tism on my part.
fifththrowaway@reddit
I just keep getting the one with the car that cant brake
womerah@reddit
Check your tread depth, mine's at 4 mm heading into australian winter.
Hadnapaton@reddit
I think he was kidding 😭
Fisherman_Gabe@reddit
It's hard to take your theories seriously when you call people the r-slur. It makes you appear uncouth.
fifththrowaway@reddit
You started with the insults and now your fee-fees are all hurt?
Lol. lmao even
HitIerWasWrong@reddit
Hook up one of those mechanical mouths to it.
CremousDelight@reddit
I'm not that kind of beast, but whatever floats your boat.
edbods@reddit
-fly_away-@reddit
omg you're so dumb. and you have the nerve to call other retards. random redditor claims he has explained consciousness. give this retard a nobel prize!!!
ams-1986@reddit
Because being "home" has pretty measurable marks. If I come to to a house and the mail box is jam full, all the lights are off, theres a layer of dust on everything and rotting food on the table when I look through the window, its pretty safe to assume either the house is abandoned or the occupant has been dead for awhile..
oknazevad@reddit
And likely being eaten by their cats.
ams-1986@reddit
Indubitably
Fisherman_Gabe@reddit
Not true. It could just as well be the NEET nest of a League of Legends player or a Discord groomer. Their houses only look abandoned because most rooms are left unused now that DoorDashing food directly to one's bedroom window is possible.
ams-1986@reddit
True, true, so true
TraxDollars@reddit
There are no sensory neurons to convey the information to the brain, hence no communication.
miltonlancelot@reddit
EEG
fatfuck5@reddit
Listen rabbi, just because you want to cheat God doesn't mean we want to
fifththrowaway@reddit
You think this is an endorsement of this techbro grift? Lmao
-DoctorSpaceman-@reddit
Very recently have scientists finally decided that shellfish feel pain, after centuries of being sure they don’t.
I’d rather not risk it.
mpTCO@reddit
Then you next
Satyrsol@reddit
Beyond your comprehension doesn’t mean much. You could just be unintelligent and lack creativity.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
I must be retarded.
WretchedHumannBeing@reddit
Metallica speaks of this
Godzillasbrother@reddit
DARKNESS
anonymouswan1@reddit
IMPRISONING ME
phen0menon@reddit
ALL THAT I SEE
game_hyper@reddit
ABSOLUTE HORROR
Kartoffel7@reddit
I CANNOT LIVE
Glaesilegur@reddit
I CANNOT DIE
catmageddon64@reddit
What song good sir?
zyankali7@reddit
One
perfectly_stable@reddit
yeah that tracks given how they only have One good song
thegoten455@reddit
BUTTHOLE_EXPEDITIONS@reddit
And that song is whiskey in a jar
Tyraid@reddit
*No leaf clover
BUTTHOLE_EXPEDITIONS@reddit
Death magnetic is a good album
Dikhoofd@reddit
I am not going to eat the ragebait but I am calling it out
Lorettooooooooo@reddit
Yeah which one
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
Exactly. One is really good.
Takseen@reddit
One of their best tracks
Erasmusings@reddit
_Empty-R_@reddit
i still cant understand why this became a meme.
Dqueezy@reddit
Movies as atrocious and awful as this one tend to generate lots of memes. Like Morbius did. Or the boys (tv series but close enough).
_Empty-R_@reddit
yeah but its just the most basic of lines. i guess because corny.
doctor_big_burrito@reddit
Fant four stic Four gifs, so hot right now.
ecco311@reddit
*by far their best
Pistolius@reddit
One bro come on
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
No he didn't. Did you listen to any of his songs?
VeritablyVersatile@reddit
Johnny Got His Gun is a must read novel. Short, but not an easy read.
tastysardine@reddit
Has a movie too, a really thought-provoking movie.
PhilRubdiez@reddit
You get the gist of it watching the Metallica video
tonyeye@reddit
I would refer to it as the greatest song in the world (🎵 tribute)
LooseButtPlug@reddit
"I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream"
AHighAchievingAutist@reddit
“I have no hand, and I must goon”
IcyPride2973@reddit
“YOU KILLED THAT MAN! I CAN’T GOON!”
doakus@reddit
“I have no cum, and I must coom”
LooseButtPlug@reddit
somecheesecake@reddit
This was hilarious live
hordak666@reddit
I have no ass, and I must shart
Gohei27@reddit
The brain has nerves?
Twisty1020@reddit
Brains don't feel pain.
Alive-Big-838@reddit
Brother, I hope that's true
ParticularConcept548@reddit
I Have No Brain, and I Must Seethe
CapitalistVenezuelan@reddit
More like Johnny Got His Gun
LooseButtPlug@reddit
Both fit really great in different ways. Good call.
TheInsanernator@reddit
Puts a new twist into “hey you, you’re finally awake!”
alkali112@reddit
As a molecular biologist that has spent his life studying neurodegenerative disorders, that is not how this would play out. These diseases are literally the best case scenario if a brain is “locked in”. There are FAR worse scenarios. On a (very, very basic level), dopaminergic neurodegeneration (PD, AD, HD) would only have complications related to memory/mood, and motor diseases (ALS) would have no discernible effect at all. Show me someone locked in that is being subjected to cluster headache research, and I’ll show you true hell.
Disirregardlessly@reddit
So youre the type of scientist that dreams up these godforsaken test scenarios. Let's not meet.
Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit
As someone who knows nothing about this topic and has no relevant qualifications, you're gay and wrong.
doker0@reddit
This is too much. I need a verification.
Nelec@reddit
Well, the brain has no pain receptors, so you wouldn’t feel anything from acid. You’d probably begin to think differently and with reduced clarity as time went on, but is unlikely you would even be aware of this happening.
yyrkoon1776@reddit
Hang on let me just double check I'm not a donor.
BigPharmaKarmaFarma@reddit
Being a donor is different to donating your body to science.
GR-717@reddit
So you would still be conscious? Consciously trapped?
Nelec@reddit
No, these brains are definitely dead. Even a few minutes without oxygen can leave you in a coma from which you may never wake. A brain from someone who has died recently would have the structure on a gross and micro anatomical level almost intact so I imagine that is where the value of such an experiment is derived from.
GR-717@reddit
Ah so the post is misleading.
Nelec@reddit
Yeah, although who knows, maybe in the future it might be possible
outerheavenboss@reddit
That’s what I thought as well.
stop_talking_you@reddit
the amygdala in the brain is our third eye. literally window to the soul but whatever neuroscience stll dont understand soul or consciousness
CaraCicartix@reddit
He doesn't feel anything tho. The brain doesn't have nociceptors, which are the "pain" nerves. So if it's just a floating brain like this, you're good.
GR-717@reddit
But you would still be aware of things right
Ordo_Liberal@reddit
Boredom would still make you mad
womerah@reddit
You'd just intensely hallucinate
stereotomyalan@reddit
I cannot live, I cannot die
trapped in my self, body my holding cell
JablesRadio@reddit
Im extremely claustrophobic. This would be the ultimate torture. Far worse than getting stuck in a cave or being buried alive. This is exactly what im not donating any organs when I die. Burn my shit till there isn't shit left. Or throw me in the ground with a palm tree planted in my cold body.
DJpuffinstuff@reddit
This is donating your body to science probably, not donating organs. They can't donate your brain.
TomaszA3@reddit
I could use some brain transplant
Good_Idea_Fairy@reddit
Looking forward to whatever comes of this in 3 Body Problem.
0xyDeadBeef@reddit
Would there be any possible scenario where a disembodied human brain would hyopthetically be concious
CowFckerReloaded@reddit
Mad Science!
TurtleStepper@reddit
Reminds me of how the bobiverse novel series starts.
Daysleeper1234@reddit
No worries, brain doesn't have pain receptors so you probably wouldn't feel anything. Now if they could somehow stimulate your brain to cause you pain by thinking your arm got cut off or something similar, that would be something else.
2ElectricBugaloo@reddit
“The brains are already almost devoid of the coordinated neural firing necessary even for minimal consciousness, says Brendan Parent” I don’t like the way that sounds.
Futuredanish@reddit
“Almost”
rramzi@reddit
Brain itself doesn’t have pain sensors. So gay and fake.
Blackhawk23@reddit
2012 total recall was a great movie
DefinitelyNotPine@reddit
who stabbed anon
mango363@reddit
Probably a doctor or an engineer
BeMyGabentine@reddit
Unemployed brain surgeon
DefinitelyNotPine@reddit
Needed more brainz to cure neurodegenerative diseases n shieet
Anthro_DragonFerrite@reddit
Bro how do you get your pfp to play
More importantly, what is your pfp???
TomatoSpecialist6879@reddit
it was phone
_illuminati666@reddit
no
CorianderIsBad@reddit
Horrifying. A great advertisement for not donating your body to science. Also, great for burial at sea in shark infested waters.
RashFever@reddit
Another point to the long list of why you shouldn't be a donor
ComposedAnarchy@reddit
yeetzapizza123@reddit
Maybe they are having amazing hallucinations about Khazar Milkers
thatscucktastic@reddit
Come home to me, Abby
WavemasterM633@reddit
I am right now.
LastGuitarHero@reddit
Feels like this isn’t too far from having a Robocop situation essentially using
NCC_1701E@reddit
Thanks, nope, I think I will register to non-donor list.
AlleywayFGM@reddit
I'll agree to donate my half living brain if they agree to test it by suspending it in a vat of LSD
ZMowlcher@reddit
There wouldnt be pain.
saltwaterstud@reddit
Sounds like a Bobiverse story. Wake up in a computer program
rjsads@reddit
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oscar_z_a@reddit
You pick up this working girl, who's hooked on smack, who hustles and scores. "That's all I do," she says.
She says, "ten bucks for head, fifteen for half and half." She says, "three hits a day at thirty-five per." You say, "that's seven tricks a day at least." "But," she says, "sometimes I get lucky." "Once this guy gives me a bill and a half just to eat me. Only time I ever came."
You figure you can save her.
You sell your color TV. That keeps her off the streets a whole day. You hock your typewriter for one jolt. Then your shotgun, your watch.
A week later, you say, "listen, I'm a little short." But she says, "no scratch, no snatch." You say, "look, it is better to give." "But," she says, "beat off, creep."
One night they spot you on the street in your skivvies, trying to sell your shoes. You tell them who you are, but they nail you.
Then she happens by, and she says, "Christ, you look fucked." She says, "hang tough."
But you don't say anything. You just think, what a bum rap for a nice, sensitive guy like me.
FiddlesUrDiddles@reddit
Make up your mind
pit_supervisor@reddit
finally, the torment nexus
JustChillin3456@reddit
Stop what you’re doing and read the unibombers manifesto right now
VeritablyVersatile@reddit
Now you're playing Doom. All there is is Hell. All you know is that you must continue to kill, as if compelled by an unseen and insurmountable force.
SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit
the brain doesn't feel pain
DemonicFuckFace@reddit
Awful awful existence
TNTspaz@reddit
Ngl. Seeing the crazy stuff the current medical field can do. It only puts into question more and more. Wtf the human consciousness even really is. Putting aside all the religious arguments and any bullshit about the human soul. Or any goofy science fiction. We can reliably mimic most of the functions of the human body. To the point Frankenstein is barley fiction anymore. We can however make a person. (Technically I guess we can through cloning which is fucking insane that's real now and we don't even make that big of a deal out of it)
Like really. How would we empirically study and measure it the human consciousness. What would really happen if we actually discover or truly understand any of it.
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WendyLRogers3@reddit
"Despite all my rage, I am still just a brain in a jar."
solidsquirrel1@reddit
Glad I took myself off the organ donor list a while ago. I refuse to participate in this Satanic bullshit.
guttegutt@reddit
B(ex)org will assimilate you
altofanaltthatisalt@reddit
Brain has no pain receptors
New_Equinox@reddit
At that point you'd likely simply start hallucinating auditory visual and tactile sensations
ChaosNecro@reddit
The fun of organ donors.
Erasmusings@reddit
Awww sweet, man-made horrors beyond our comprehension
EH042@reddit
Maybe he's imagining Guilliman telling him he's a hero and to learn to wield his new body
theSearch4Truth@reddit
The soul doesn't reside in the brain so this is impossible.
42Ubiquitous@reddit
Tf are you talking about
2zunder2@reddit
The soul is in the anus
TheseVirginEars@reddit
Can you show me the angus part of the cow?
_illuminati666@reddit
thank you for providing a definitive claim theSearch4Truth
BrocoliAssassin@reddit
this is the shit Epstein and friends would have loved if they found out that you could do this and have consciousness come back alive and experience this type of horror.
The zio's would go nuts for this type of horror .