Trying to understand exactly what protections the A330 lost when it dropped into Alternate Law after today's AF447 verdict
Posted by Mysterious-Name3799@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 7 comments
After reading today that the Paris Court of Appeal has found Air France and Airbus guilty of involuntary manslaughter for AF447, I've been re-reading through information about the accident.
My layman's understanding is that a key tenet of Airbus Fly-By-Wire design is that flight computers will prevent the pilot from taking the aircraft outside of its safe envelope - including preventing stalls through the use of high-AoA protections (Alpha Prot / Alpha Floor / Alpha Max). I understand that the A330 switched into Alternate Law after the pitot tubes froze and lost reliable airspeed information, and Alternate Law kicks out high-AoA protection, essentially allowing the plane to fly like a "normal" jet that CAN stall.
Where I'm still fuzzy (please correct me if there is any misunderstanding):
- Does Alternate Law removal of stall protection boil down to the computers essentially losing faith in their airspeed inputs - i.e. without trustworthy ADR information the protections simply cannot operate safely so the engineering decision is made to return the envelope to the pilots? Or is it more complicated than that?
- AoA comes from separate vanes, not the pitots. Was there ever post-AF447 discussion about retaining some degraded version of AoA-based stall protection even if you have unreliable airspeed? Or are there sound engineering reasons that that would be a bad idea?
- The stall warning reportedly activated \~75 times. It also stopped functioning at very low airspeeds because the system considered the airspeed data invalid. That (as I understand it) is why pulling back momentarily silenced the warning, but may have also strengthened an incorrect mental model in the cockpit. Was that known about at the time, and did it change in later software versions?
I realise this accident has been scrutinised for years by people far more qualified than I. I'm just trying to ascertain exactly where the Airbus envelope protection stops and where the crew is truly on their own.
MEtoaviator@reddit
Airbus is not at all responsible for that pilot being an absolute fucking idiot and killing 223 people
Economy_Link4609@reddit
So Alternate Law 2 that it failed down does try to keep the High AoA protection if possible from what I understand - bu in AF447's case, since the issue was bad data from the air reference units (due to the iced pitots causing bad/disagreeing readings), that protection was kicked out.
AliceInPlunderland@reddit
You already have some good responses about the protection envelopes. This article by our own /u/AdmiralCloudberg may also help you with the different layers intended to provide redundancies:
https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/the-long-way-down-the-crash-of-air-france-flight-447-8a7678c37982
No_Greed_No_Pain@reddit
Today's decision was a result of an appeal following the 2023 verdict that cleared the companies from the corporate manslaughter. I'm not going to pretend that I understand how the French law works, but this essentially was a brand new trial with all the evidence reviewed in its entirety again. In other words, it wasn't an error of the previous trial that the appeal has identified and corrected, but the same evidence that led to one conclusion in 2023, today led to the opposite one. I won't be shocked if Airbus and Air France will appeal this verdict, again. I guess third time's the charm.
antesocial@reddit
Mentour Pilot did a video - as usual pretty good
https://youtu.be/e5AGHEUxLME
halfty1@reddit
You are essentially correct. With the computer not trusting the data it is receiving it essentially kicks more and more decision making to the pilot removing automation.
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