Israel's parliament has voted to dissolve itself. What's next? | Reuters
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year_trader_99@reddit
Well, obviously a different government will be elected and immediately implement the two-state solution, giving the Palestinians the entire West Bank and Gaza, which will lead to the conflict being completely over, right?
DensePoser@reddit
Evil and instability are intertwined, and no one is more evil than Zionists risking extinction to enslave the world with AI.
Firecracker048@reddit
Holy yikes batman.
"The ~~jews~~ seek world enslavement and they will use AI to do so!"
Well, at least this one has proven the allegations of some anti zionism just being anti semetism
ImpossibleDragonfly@reddit
You are literally putting words in his mouth though.
Firecracker048@reddit
No, not at all.
The two hundred year old conspiracy that jews will control the world, is now just being put on 'zionists'(which mostly happen to be jews), and now using AI for it.
Whats the purpose? Spreading more nonsense or just hatred?
MrTatyo@reddit
You are aware most Zionist are Christian? You are the one conflating Judaism with Zionism
Firecracker048@reddit
They are? Man considering Zionism is a homeland for Jews, I find it curious you think most zionists are Christians.
Surely you got some numbers back up those claims
Paradoxjjw@reddit
1: you don't have to be Jewish to be a zionist
2: there's an estimated 16.5 million Jews in the world and not all of them are zionist. In the US about 15% of Jews either identify as explicitly anti-zionist or non-zionist (and by that they mean entirely against the concept of having a state explicitly for Jews).
3: There are 2.38 Billion Christians in the world, even ~0.7% of them being zionist would have them significantly outnumbering Jewish zionists. In the US alone there are ~230 million Christians and I'm going to make the wild prediction that they aren't all against Israel's existence.
Firecracker048@reddit
So zionism is just the belief in the existence of Israel. Cool, glad that has been cleared up.
Less than 4% of the US believes in Christianity anymore, so those numbers are definitely not true.
Also your doing Catholics = Christians. Both are different.
KaiBahamut@reddit
4%? Did you pull that number out of your ass?
Also, Zionism has had multiple versions of the ideology, from those who want to keep the current borders and stop expanding to the extremist, expansionist ideologies in power today. All of them require violence though, to keep a ethnically pure Jewish State.
Firecracker048@reddit
and yet, 20% of Israeals population is Arab. Unlike the majority of Arab countries, Israel is the 2nd most ethnically diverse outside of Lebannon
MrTatyo@reddit
Man you really don't know anything.
First you think you need to be Jewish to be a Zionist. And then you think Catholics aren't Christians.
You are aware Google, chatgpt and the internet exists? All this can easily be searched.
Paradoxjjw@reddit
Yeah I'm going to need sources on there being less than 13 million Christians in the US.
Mando177@reddit
You know evangelical Christians in the US outnumber Jews by an order of magnitude right? And they’re really most of the reason the Israeli lobby has held so much sway for so long
jcooli09@reddit
Opposition to zionism isn't antisemitism any more than opposition to christian nationalism is anti-christian.
Firecracker048@reddit
Correct
but applying literal anti semetic conspiracies to 'zionists' is anti semetism when its beyond clear who is being reference too
MrTatyo@reddit
Again most zionist are Christian! You can't keep saying your attacking Jews when they don't represent the majority in Zionism.
zkrooky@reddit
No one is saying that all jewish people are zionists. Extremism is bad everywhere, and that includes zionists.
voidox@reddit
don't bother with that hasbara bot, all he does is exactly that to derail another topic as he defends Israel being a fcked up ethnostate.
DensePoser@reddit
Are you saying that all Jews are Zionists or that all Zionists are Jews?
Firecracker048@reddit
Zionism is a homeland for jews, so most zionists are, in fact, jews.
But here you are, applying an anti semetic conspiracy theory to 'zionists'. I wonder why
Paradoxjjw@reddit
Wait so simply saying Israel should exist makes you a Jew? Or are non-Jews forbidden from holding the opinion that Israel is allowed to exist?
DensePoser@reddit
Well, at least this one has proven not to be very smart
Firecracker048@reddit
The one claiming zionists are using AI to control the world?
Level_Hour6480@reddit
Peter Thiel is a huge zionist/genocide-lover. He's behind a lot of the shadier ~~AI~~ LLM projects. He is not Jewish.
year_trader_99@reddit
So the Palestinians won't accept peace for a State with Gaza and the entire West Bank, right?
DensePoser@reddit
Palestinians have never been offered peace.
year_trader_99@reddit
Let's assume they will be offered 100% of the West Bank and Gaza tomorrow in exchange for the recognition of Israel, would they take it?
alkbch@reddit
Of course they would, assuming no other conditions.
year_trader_99@reddit
So you are saying the Palestinians will completely abandon their non-negotiable demand for the 'right of return'?
IAMADon@reddit
Adding "Palestinians have to give up legal rights granted to them under multiple international treaties" to your own hypothetical exchange after reading "assuming no other conditions", isn't much of a gotcha.
year_trader_99@reddit
No problem, they will never get the 'right of return.' This just means that they want Gaza and the West Bank as the first Arab state, and Israel as the second Arab state. In other words, a two-state solution is two Arab states. They want a forever war.
KaiBahamut@reddit
It sounds like Israel wants the forever war. "Look, I know we killed and stole your land from you, but if we let you return to your homes, we will no longer be an ethnically pure society and that's worse."
why_i_bother@reddit
So you're saying Israel will continue their apartheid politics?
Sounds about right.
year_trader_99@reddit
No, I am saying they are going to get their state in Gaza and the West Bank and peace with Israel in return for recognizing Israel lol. How is that 'apartheid politics' exactly? This is a complete decoupling between Israelis and Palestinians.
yoweigh@reddit
You didn't say anything, actually. You just asked some vague questions and left a bunch of blanks to be filled in by others. Don't be surprised when people misinterpret your intentions after you force them to make your argument for you.
year_trader_99@reddit
This is a very simple question: would the Palestinians accept peace for Gaza and the West Bank, without demanding the 'right of return' to current Israeli borders?
yoweigh@reddit
Anyone who claims to know the answer to that question is lying. It's not simple at all. You're just framing it that way.
PooManGroup29@reddit
the other person might be saying it poorly, but they're implicitly asking if self determination in the nation-state of Palestine is more important than the eradication of Israel. If the answer is that "self determination takes precedence, it's very easy to give up any right of return." If the goal is dissolving Israel in lieu of a Palestinian state, then they say "no". And the cycle continues. It's how Palestinians rank their own priorities as a nation.
alkbch@reddit
No, I didn’t say that.
year_trader_99@reddit
So your idea of a two-state solution includes Palestinians getting the West Bank and Gaza, and also a 'right of return' to today's Israeli borders?
alkbch@reddit
That’s not my idea of a two States solution, that’s how the right to return is defined under international law.
You asked whether Palestinians would recognize Israel if they get the West Bank and Gaza, and the answer is yes, as long as you don’t add other conditions; like you‘re trying to imply they should abandon their right to return.
year_trader_99@reddit
You're contradicting yourself in the same sentence. You claim they will accept peace 'without other conditions,' but then immediately state that abandoning the right of return is an unacceptable condition
alkbch@reddit
Let's try again.
Proposal: Palestinians get West Bank and Gaza in exchange of recognizing Israel.
Result: Palestinians accept
Proposal: Palestinians get West Bank and Gaza in exchange of recognizing Israel AND [insert others terms here, such as abandoning their claim to the right of return for example...]
Result: Palestinians may not accept
year_trader_99@reddit
So, 'give them the West Bank and Gaza and there's peace' is false. The real position is 'give them the West Bank, Gaza, and the right of return,' which means roughly 5 million descendants of refugees relocating into today's Israel.
In other words: a two-state solution, but only if it results in two Arab states
alkbch@reddit
You keep trying to deflect and move the goalpost, it's exhausting.
IdiAmini@reddit
YOU are the one making extra demands, namely giving up the "right of return"
year_trader_99@reddit
The 'right of return' is not part of the deal. The deal is that you take the territories, and do whatever you want there - Gaza and the West Bank are your state now. You are the one making an extra demand by adding the requirement for millions of refugees to go back into Israeli territory. In other words, your version of a two-state solution just means two Arab states.
meister2983@reddit
Palestine already recognizes Israel; I'm not sure what you mean is changing.
It's not "defined under international law". It is a specific political position in Palestine nationalism
IdiAmini@reddit
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule132
meister2983@reddit
That's a right of displaced persons to return:
That's not the "right of return" Palestine is discussing which is a quasi-collective right for Palestinians with ancestral connections to Israel to both immigrate to it and gain title over land their ancestors held
FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit
PA was open to that in the 90s. Rabin was assassinated to stop it from happening.
meister2983@reddit
Lol. Talk about uninformed
FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit
Yeah, it was supposed to be the start of a plan that would end with lasting peace. That's why he was killed, to stop it from advancing.
None of the other offers were done in good faith, much less in terms the PA or any other Palestinian organization would accept. Netanyahu was PM for most of this time and he would never accept anything other than genocide and annexation.
meister2983@reddit
The plan did keep advancing.
There were multiple deals made later with the PLO that were accepted, even ones under Netanyahu. He never demanded "genocide" and actually offered a state eventually in 2009.
What is your argument that the 2000 and 2001 offers were done in any less good faith than Rabin's offers (which I stress were never for a full state either)
hardolaf@reddit
No, he offered a "state" overseen by the IDF with the option to execute it at any moment that it was acting contrary to Israel's national interests. That "state" would have been prohibited from any military or militarized police, and would be subject to invasion by Israel over any terror attacks even if the "state" rapidly arrested and prosecuted the perpetrators.
meister2983@reddit
Which is literally more than Rabin every offered. I don't get why Palestine nationalists view him positively.
Rabin never offered any territory of Jerusalem either
Not a demand he made
meister2983@reddit
So what was the Taba offer? Endless war?
Neco-Arc-Brunestud@reddit
I know this is sarcasm, but Israel controls the borders, water, and electricity going to those areas. Even when there was a Palestinian authority, it was held in debt bondage through those institutions.
That's not even going into checkpoints limiting movement for Palestinians and the Israeli constitution holding Jewish people as exclusively having the right to self-determination.
So even if there was a two state solution, the Palestinian state would still be beholden to Israel.
year_trader_99@reddit
The point is that even if the Palestinians were offered Gaza and the West Bank with full sovereignty over the land, they wouldn't accept it.
What they actually want is two Arab states: the first would be Gaza and the West Bank, and the second would be present day Israel - turned into an Arab-majority state through millions of descendants of refugees "returning" under the right of return
SpinningHead@reddit
Imagine putting "returning" in quotes.
KaiBahamut@reddit
It's funny when they act like Palestinians returning is verboten because they are a couple generations removed from those who were expelled, but the countries entire immigration system favors those whose ancestors might not have set foot upon the land in a 1000 years- or never at all, for converts.
CringeKage222@reddit
You do realise that the ones that does want a Palestinian state is the PA. They refused a deal 5 times
LeGrandLucifer@reddit
I'm sure if they did this Hamas would lay down their arms. /s
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
same said with the IRA all those years ago
LeGrandLucifer@reddit
Did the IRA have the extermination of all Englishmen as an ideology?
Mediocre-Frosting-77@reddit
Does Hamas? Be very careful not to conflate Israel as a state with Israelis, the people living in it.
RdPirate@reddit
Did the IRA have the dissolution of the entirety of the United Kingdom as a goal?
gonna-see-riverman@reddit
Oh great. A race between the far-right and the right. That again is between: let's ethnically cleanse Palestinians and Lebanese, grab more lands and be non-apologetic about it on one hand, and on the other, let's do exactly that but in a way that doesn't look so bad to our western backers.
This is the only occasion where all western liberals root blindly for the right no matter what. What a great "democracy" they have there.
year_trader_99@reddit
If a moderate Israeli government were to get elected tomorrow, completely pull out of the West Bank and Gaza, and hand them over entirely, do you really think the Palestinians would stop attacking Israel?
FnZombie@reddit
Would Israel give up its Greater Israel ambitions?
why_i_bother@reddit
Moderate Israeli government will not do that, a massive left-wing victory would need to happen.
Moderate Israeli government would continue current politics.
NeonArlecchino@reddit
Are you sure a left wing victory would?
https://mondoweiss.net/2026/02/new-israeli-poll-shows-young-jewish-voters-most-right-wing-fanatically-religious-and-pro-genocide-in-israeli-history/
The rot is deep throughout that fake state.
DaniBoye@reddit
Mondoweiss is not a serious source of journalism. It’s think pieces by extremely problematic and biased people. Even AJ+ would have more journalistic integrity
NeonArlecchino@reddit
Which part of that quote is wrong? Is Yair Golan not considered a left leader in Israel? Did he not say that?
gonna-see-riverman@reddit
Yes. Not just that. All Arab countries would recognize it and would guarantee its security. Look up "Arab peace intiative".
year_trader_99@reddit
So you are saying the Palestinians will completely abandon their non-negotiable demand for the 'right of return'?
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
Not understanding why that’s an issue considering random people with Jewish heritage somehow have a “right of return” to a place they haven’t been to in 2000 years
Qwertysapiens@reddit
Because they're demanding a right to return to Israel, not to a new Palestinian state. It would end up with 2 Palestinian states, one with a Jewish minority and one with absolutely no Jews. How do you think that goes for the Jews?
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
I believe in one state with equal rights for all
Qwertysapiens@reddit
Great. Most Palestinians and most israelis don't, albeit for different reasons. You're playing make believe with a solution that is thoroughly unpalatable to the actual people involved, and therefore is irrelevant to constructing an on the ground reality that isn't just endless war.
year_trader_99@reddit
It's an issue, would the Palestinian drop this demend for a peace or not?
Levitz@reddit
No. Not only is there the issue of both Hamas and the settlers, you can't expect the Palestinian population to just be cool with the current state of things after the immense amount of destruction and murder that has ensued.
I don't mean this in a "they deserve vengeance" way or anything like that, but simply, objectively, as a matter of fact, I think it's delusional to subject a population to such misery and expect them to be cool with the whole thing if Israel turned around and tried that.
meister2983@reddit
The de jure leadership of Palestine already recognizes Israel as a state.
Do you mean literally every Palestinian would recognize Israel? Presumably not.
Do you mean enough would to end support for militants fighting Israel? Unsure, but I would guess no
Firecracker048@reddit
Theres the deal breaker.
HRSuperior@reddit
that "if" is doing a lot of heavy lifting
Thatsidechara_ter@reddit
Even if they don't, this is entirely a problem of Israel's own making.
shineyink@reddit
Bennett is willing to sit with the Arab block to make a govt...
waiver@reddit
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-887283
Shady_bookworm51@reddit
ah yes because the Arab block is in a hurry to be a scapegoat for when things fail just like the only other time in history they were party of the ruling coalition.
Judge_Druidy@reddit
Voters have a tough choice between:
1 - Genocide
2 - 🫶 Genocide 🌈
Forged-Signatures@reddit
Gotta love the pinkwashing.
BernieMP@reddit
The link doesn't work for me, I can't scroll down, what happens after parliament dissolves itself? Do they regularly have simultaneous elections for every member of parliament? Is it elected by some other officials? Does this just push regular elections forward?
I don't think I've ever heard of any branch of any government just dissolve itself completely
Thisconnect@reddit
that is literally what happens often everywhere.
In a parliamentary republic government is established by vote of confidence. If there is a constructive vote of confidence (someone gathers over half parliament and takes over) they just form new government. In cases of non-constructive, they call early elections
buster_de_beer@reddit
In the Netherlands it's the government that resigns, but same idea.
Chinerpeton@reddit
Its just that.
I assume you may be American because its standard practice across a lot of countries. For that matter I don't recall of knowing about any other country besides the US that doesn't have a standarised procedure for the parliament either dissolving itself or being dissolved to make way for a new election. Someone maybe can correct me if I'm mistaken.
Israel doesn't elect its MPs via single-seat constitutencies is the first place as the wording here implies. It has a proportional representation system(which means multi-seat constitutencies) and with the added specific caveat that they have one country-wide constitutency for that system. So its literally impossible in the Israeli system to have a parliamentary election that doesn't involve the entire parliament at once.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/aBtSfQNrzG
Chemical-Time-9143@reddit
Israel will elect an equally extremist and fascist government. People ignorant to Israeli politics will be shocked that the other parties are just as bad as Likud, if not worse. Bibi is not unique to Israel, Israel has many Bibis.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
Article:
PoopthInPanth@reddit
Hopefully the entire cult takes a drink from the punch bowl.
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