What restrictions upon social media (for either children or adults) would you support?
Posted by Only_Book_995@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 49 comments
I'm really curious what level of regulation/restriction on social media people would support?
Should there be any restrictions? For children or for adults too? What sort of regulation? What are the pros and cons of where you draw the line?
Serious question and I'd love to hear some serious thought out answers - thanks đ
splendidvinyl@reddit
I'd make it so you had to be 75 to join and you'd have to have letters from both parents allowing it.
Fish_Goes_Moo@reddit
No restrictions. Anything the government will roll out, will just end up another case of "hand over your id to a company that pinky promises to delete it".
Education around parental controls should be the way forward. Ofcom called Apple forcing turning them on and restricting your already bought device to child mode "a win for children". Xbox, Uplay and soon to be PSN, you may not use public chat unless you id yourself, that's already a pre-existing setting, not something new, just forced on.
Good enough for Ofcom, good enough for parents to switch on themselves and block social media if they have an issue with it.
CreativeAdeptness477@reddit
Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Electronic-Fennel828@reddit
- no social media for under 16âs.
- ban on infinite scroll content.
- ban on âsuggestedâ posts and algorithmic content. People should be able to curate their own online experience rather than getting drip fed progressively worse stuff.
MrMonkeyman79@reddit
Restrict or remove the engagement based algorithms and infinite scrolling and I think you're halfway there.
gyroda@reddit
Yep, make it repeatable and deterministic with no "suggested" posts.
If two users load their feeds at the same time and are following the same pages/whatever, they should see the same list of posts.
YoIronFistBro@reddit
You're most of the way there.
peppermint_aero@reddit
Lots of schools already doing this, but phones should be switched off and at the bottom of a bag/handed in at the start of the day, and only allowed to be switched back on when you leave school. Up the end of Year 11.
You by and large do not need a phone in schooltime. Young people survived without smartphones in schools until very recently. Parents should not be ringing/messaging their kids in lesson times. If it's urgent, call the school office and the message will be passed to the kid. Â
Only_Book_995@reddit (OP)
I don't know about schools but at university you need your phone during lectures because of the authentication protections that are in place to prevent cyber-crime. Obviously that's because we use laptops during lectures and I don't know if that's the case in school.
I think one of the problems with schools having a hard ban on phones is that you can only do that with parental support and parents are now of a generation (and I say this as one too) who grew up with phones and so don't necessarily see the danger. I know its an extreme example but do you remember parents in the US throwing junk food over the fence to kids because the school had started only serving healthy food?
jordsta95@reddit
Honestly, I would probably just ban it. You either have a free and open internet, or you have a restricted one. Semi-restricted is the worst of both worlds, in my opinion.
We can all agree there are parts of social media which are bad. Whether that's the number of bots, the algorithms for feeds, the incessant "noise" of it all, or whatever else. And many people will say there are upsides, such as being able to keep in touch with long-distance relatives or socialise with a wider group of people who share a similar interest.
But the more you restrict social media, the harder it is to keep it alive.
Look at Tumblr. In the aftermath of their porn ban many years ago, their active user numbers fell off a cliff. Now every social media site has essentially done the same with their age verification. Not all users will care about their privacy, and scan their face or give a picture of their passport or whatever.
But if you start to impose more restrictions, whether it's outright banning under 18s, or proving you are human with your posts, or whatever else people may want. It just increases the friction for people to interact with the platform, and thus causes people to leave.
And if people start to leave, less gets posted. As less gets posted, there's less need for people to check in to see "what's new". And the less people check, the less people post... you get the point.
You can have rules on your platform. And breaking those rules results in your account being banned. But putting a barrier in place to stop people from potentially breaking the rules (restrictions, verifications, etc.) just makes it a worse experience than it not being there.
AromaticVacation3077@reddit
Trying to 'tinker' with internet is a waste of time. It's like like closing the restaurant on the Titanic. It just makes a difficult experience worse. Problem is, it's one of those things no government is ever really going to make any serious commitment to. Too much restriction will make them incredibly unpopular (because access the the internet is a human right, apparently) but none at all makes them look irresponsible (because children etc). We're fkd.
jordsta95@reddit
When I first saw the preview of your message, all I saw was up to the word "restaurant" and thought you were going to go in a different direction - which is also valid.
That being that if you close a restaurant because of poor hygiene, it doesn't stop Mr Spitsinfood to open a new restaurant under a new name elsewhere. The same is even more true on the internet, where costs are much lower.
You shut down a website for breaking a law or "moral code", 3 more are going to crop up doing the exact same thing - or worse. It is better for society if everyone is using just a handful of major services for communication, as Facebook/Reddit/etc, will have at least some level of control over what users will see.
But the moment users have too much friction, they'll start using "FaceLibrary" or "Seenit" instead - for the same experience they're used to, but with "better" moderation... which inevitably lets more things through that the average user doesn't want to see, and shouldn't be being distributed in the first place.
IrrelevantPiglet@reddit
Ideally something like the German system where websites are legally obligated to mark age-restricted content in such a way that parental control systems can automatically block such content. Make parental controls clear and simple for parents to understand and use. Encourage device makers to integrate parental controls into the OS. A lot of people complain about parents not parenting, but the Internet can be pretty confusing and complicated. Keep it simple and maybe parents will stand a chance.
Consistent-Sport-481@reddit
Problem is parental controls are piss easy they'd rather just nothing bother.
Having to actually get parents to set things up is where it all falls down.
Parental controls are integral for the most part with really good free ones available though platforms like Google too.
Loads of places offer to set up controls when you buy something, some banks offer the service and libraries and LAs. People are just complacent and lazy.
Not to mention the parents that are already willingly bypassing age checks because little Timmy needs his fix.
Parents need to step up. They can't keep shrugging and saying not my fault when they've done exactly nothing.
IrrelevantPiglet@reddit
No system can be perfect. I think this balances issues around privacy while still giving responsible parents the support they need.
Consistent-Sport-481@reddit
Responsible parents are already doing everything they can.
IrrelevantPiglet@reddit
Which is why the support of a robust and simple parental control system will improve their lot. Not all parents are fully technically literate and they should not have to be in order to implement parental controls.
Consistent-Sport-481@reddit
They won't use it. They don't care.
That's the entire issue.
It's more simple than ever. There's more help than ever. There's more awareness than ever.
People just don't care or don't think it's an issue for them until it's to late.
How easy is it to set up payment controls on a games console? Yet every year there's at least a handful of people complaining Sony need to do more because Thier kid spent x amount.
How easy is it to actually lock down a tablet? Literally 5 mins with step by step instructions. To much like effort especially when the kid can't access something specific and throws a fit.
There's already parents verifing Thier kids discords etc so they don't miss out.
People who actually give a damn have already done the leg work. You can't fix stupid no matter how hard you want to try.
IrrelevantPiglet@reddit
Not at all easy if you don't know how to. Personally I've never done it and I would probably have to Google to make sure I got it right. Is that sufficient? Should we give the tech companies a pass? I don't think so. B minus at best.
Consistent-Sport-481@reddit
It's step by step. And you don't even have to save the card information.
If you're giving your child access to a games console or a way to get online you actually have to accept some responsibility here.
We research everything from schools to additives to water bottles but this is a step to far??
Behave!?
The companies give you all the tools you need, there's a million places to ask for help and so many after market easy to use products.
I had to put in some leg work so it's someone else's fault is utterly disgusting as any form of defence.
aesop_fables@reddit
If there is an opinion put online you should have to support your claim by fact. There are way too many adults and kids that are being tricked into believing shit that isnât true.
Only_Book_995@reddit (OP)
Sadly the definition of a âfactâ is very subjective
aesop_fables@reddit
Fair. Maybe a source for their opinions so people can see if itâs nonsense or not. What a world we live in
JedsBike@reddit
I would go as far as banning smart phones (and tablets) for under 16s.
13-17 yr olds are the loneliest group in society. It leads to depression, especially amongst young girls. Currently the average teen spends 4.8 hours a DAY on social media and itâs damaging their underdeveloped brains. This leads to mental health problems.
AromaticVacation3077@reddit
Just ban them altogether. They're a nightmare.
SovietPanda__@reddit
Hard restrictions on access to under 16's.
Geolocation filtering so you can block traffic from certain countries.
YoIronFistBro@reddit
Could you describe what you think such restrictions should be.
YoIronFistBro@reddit
An approach that actually has the slightest hint of nuance, unlike the terrifyingly high number of people calling for a blanket ban to a ridiculously high age like 16.
Only_Book_995@reddit (OP)
Do you have a rough idea what that would look like?
Which-World-6533@reddit
I would much rather parents are told how to use the parental restrictions settings that available on iOS and Android and other operating systems. They've been there for donkeys years. If parents actually took an interest we wouldn't be in this mess.
It's ridiculous trying to restrict adults from using the devices they have paid for.
ryanwithbeardtkd@reddit
Realistically, although i don't want the state to do parenting for parents, the sheer amount of parents who just hand an ipad or phone to their kids is embarrassing. A 4 year old should not be tapping away at an ipad at such a young age, and I'd go as far to say no smartphone until around 14. It's apsolutely killing development and just seen as an easy way to keep the kid quiet.
YoIronFistBro@reddit
Thank for saying you'd "go as far". The number of people who describe drastic actions like a blanket ban to 14 (or an even higher age) with words like "just" or "only" is disturbing.
Which-World-6533@reddit
Parents should parent their kids. That includes not giving them devices at a young age.
YoIronFistBro@reddit
Emphasis on "unfettered".
The number of people on here who think people as old as 15 should have no access to online paltforms whatsoever is terrifying.
gander8622@reddit
So as a software developer and I would say highly skilled in tech related things.
Parental controls are fucking awful. Trying to configure every application, even the iOS ones seem broken.Â
I've set downtime in parental settings on my MacBook but my son was saying that the downtime kept activating on his phone during the day. Sure enough looking at his phone he couldn't use apps during the day.
I remember trying to go through all the voice Comms on Xbox too it all felt like an afterthought.Â
I think the tech companies need to be fined for making the process confusing and just being there to say they've done something.
WelshBen@reddit
Anyone with an agenda should not be able to lie, exaggerate, or obfuscate the truth to incite contempt for reality, and/or authority, and delude large amounts of a populace.
YoIronFistBro@reddit
This includes the government, right?
Only_Book_995@reddit (OP)
I agree but that's a very subjective question - one person's reality is another person's exaggeration/obfuscation.
IllExample3639@reddit
We don't need restrictions and laws, we need the government to hold the social media companies accountable. Don't treat the symptoms, cure the disease. They are getting away with it, it's a political choice.Â
Only_Book_995@reddit (OP)
But where do you draw the line? For under 18s or for adults too? What would you hold them accountable for specficially?
IllExample3639@reddit
No bans. Hold them accountable as media companies like the rest of British media. Enforce the law from the supplier not ban the user.Â
tobotic@reddit
Trying to restrict social media for teens is a losing battle.
Even if Facebook, Twitter, etc start adding thorough age checks when signing up, open source social media implementations exist, and there are likely thousands of teenagers in the UK alone skilled enough to use those to set up their own social media sites in hours.
PoolRamen@reddit
- Under 16: Parental consent by device controls. Parents to be liable for failure to secure dependent devices.
- Illegal stuff.
Nothing else.
tobotic@reddit
So you want laws that make illegal stuff illegal but legal stuff legal? Got it.
PoolRamen@reddit
ikr, it's unfortunate some people need reminding.
AromaticVacation3077@reddit
I think there should either be extreme restrictions or no restrictions at all. The internet and social media are, in my opinion, not proving a net gain just at this moment. They're hugely disruptive to culture, democracy, all the big stuff. But a seismic shift in human communication like this was always going to cause profound problems at first. Do we push through this difficult phase as fast as possible (ie completely unregulated, unfettered access for everybody) to see what's on the other side? Or do we decide that actually we don't trust what's happening, we don't particularly want to see what's on the other side, and go for extreme restrictions (ie government sanctioned regulatory body controlling everything)? I think we have to decide. Piddling around somewhere in the middle like this is lame.
WaitingCommenter@reddit
If they're happy to earn the revenue generated from the content published, they should be happy and confident that the content is non-harmful.
Humans don't suddenly wake up when hitting X years old, and are suddenly able to cope with the informational and emotional overload that social media algorithms promote.
My view:
In an ideal world, no social media platforms shouldn't exist in their current configurations. The negative impacts and fallout are complex, and the companies who own them are now too rich, powerful, and influential.
Consistent-Sport-481@reddit
None because what's the point?
Parents still need to actually parent for these things to be worth while.
We dont need more restrictions on the internet we need more restrictions on idiots.
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