Why blocking the sun to cool the planet is bound to go wrong

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thelingererer@reddit

I read back in the eighties a book called Entropy and in it the author hypothesized that whenever man tries to solve a man made problem such as climate change with a man made solution the solution always has consequences far worse than the man made problem we were trying to solve in the first place and ever since reading that I've found so many real world examples of his theory that I can't even begin to count.

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96-62@reddit

I mean, isn't AI supposed to kill us all?

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rematar@reddit

Similarly, how planted trees are not forests.

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TheGreatNemoNobody@reddit

The aren't?! y

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Auxiliatorcelsus@reddit

This was widely discussed and researched already back in the 80-ies. It was obvious to everyone that it would have a terrible impact on agriculture.

If you block 10% of the incoming sunlight, food crops will shrink like 20-30%. It would decrease oceanic microlife, disrupting the entire maritime foodweb. Global famine is certain.

In short, it's a very, very bad idea. Only to be used as a final, last chance action.

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Saturn_winter@reddit

So many climate change ideas are the equivalent of musks hyperloop. We'll do anything but build a train. We'll do anything but repair the land and try to live in harmony with nature and renewables.

I weep for authors like Becky Chambers, who have delightful books of a hopeful sci-fi future. Something that we actually could have achieved. Her book "A Psalm for the Wild Built" could have been a reality.

It's the wasted potential that bothers me most I think. We could have had it all.

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Distinguishedflyer@reddit

at this point we should never have remove the sulfur from the marine fuels. Aerosol masking was the only thing keeping us semi cooler than nightmare.

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Top-Classroom3984@reddit

I hope you’re being sarcastic

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Distinguishedflyer@reddit

nooooaur. I mean it's hell on breathing creatures, but loss of masking means Venus by Tuesday.

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jawfish2@reddit

This is a really good point:

Journalism and click-bait social media lead people to believe that there are 100% good and 100% bad outcomes. The truth is most complex things have many conflicting and unpredictable outcomes. Could we have predicted killer drones based on smartphone tech? The loss of southern Louisiana due to levies on the Mississippi?

Hormuz Constriction is a great example, everybody with a map knew the war was a terrible idea, well excepting the bumblefucks in the WH. But we didn't know it would start - something - some kind of global shift in fundamentals.

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purplelegs@reddit

Any else had a weird wave of calm wash over them recently? I just feel like we are on track and everything is happening the way it was meant to.

All we can really do is bare witness

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Phrainkee@reddit

Caught in the crowd of lemmings running for the cliff

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Distinguishedflyer@reddit

bear...bare is naughty.

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ConfusedMaverick@reddit

Bear awareness = self preservation while hiking in the Rockies

Bare awareness = ancient Buddhist meditation practice

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Distinguishedflyer@reddit

wit.ness.

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purplelegs@reddit

Thank you stranger haha

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Distinguishedflyer@reddit

❤️

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It-s_Not_Important@reddit

Yes. I actually stopped stressing over things like financing retirement.

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emotheatrix@reddit

Ah. My people. I feel the same way. Our job is to witness. I feel super calm lately.

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Taanistat@reddit

Depending on how you look at it, that would be either the 4th (depression) or 5th (acceptance) stage of grieving and loss.

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Gyirin@reddit

ye kinda

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Ok-Pride-2776@reddit

Yessir

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WileyCoyote7@reddit

Well it didn’t work out so well for humanity before…

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WileyCoyote7@reddit

Well, it didn’t work in the Animatrix, for starters…

https://share.google/images/tuhG1JotnoQaGsLEG

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SplashTarget@reddit

We need to stop chasing after non-stop economic expansion globally

We need people from the top economies of the world to disrupt the economic system, and make the money tower fall.

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Whenwhateverworks@reddit

Ive always thought some countries with colder climates (russia) may welcome warmer temperatures and might seek to discourage forcefully if necessary, other nations from enacting climate engineering unilaterally in the future.

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Unlucky_Tea2965@reddit

you do know that summer is a thing in Russia, right?

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fedfuzz1970@reddit

In an 8/8/2002 article Science Daily reported on a study by Penn State and the U. of Wisconsin related to 9/11. Commercial flights were cancelled 9/11-14/2001 following the 9/11 attack. The average temperature nationwide increased by 1.8C (3.2F) over the period when no contrails or other particles related to aviation were in the skies. The event was characterized at the biggest diurnal temperature range of any 3 day period over the previous 30 years. No cloud cover on 9/11, light cloud cover 12-14.

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imminentjogger5@reddit

In almost every sci fi game, novel, or show they try to block out the sun with dire consequences

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writeamemojack@reddit

In Termination Shock (Neal Stephenson) they disperse Sulfur into the Atmosphere, since it has great leverage on pulling out carbon and doesn't stay in the atmosphere on it's own for long once you stop adding it. The scheme works, but the countries that are negatively affected by dicking with the atmosphere....they went to war.

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Sealedwolf@reddit

It's all fun and games until Mr Burns get shot.

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zue4@reddit

Just watch the Animatrix and you'll see why.

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purplelegs@reddit

Now I have to go watch all those Second Renaissance clips again

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imminentjogger5@reddit

it always makes me feel weird watching the guy stuck in the mech get ripped up by a machine

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ImNotACollector@reddit

One of the best parts. I used to envision how it would feel getting ripped out of it.

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RichieLT@reddit

“May god have mercy on man and machine for their sins””

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SB_Wife@reddit

I think about that line at least once a week

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ImNotACollector@reddit

So rather than get rid of the trucks, trains, planes and cars polluting our air these psychotic freaks want to block the sun instead??? How do people hear shit like this and not want to revolt???

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NyriasNeo@reddit

The scale of this to have any noticeable impact is so big that I doubt this will be anything but some snake oil to raise money ever.

I am not going to worry about it going wrong as it won't be off the ground anytime soon. A few tests and some "hush hush" news is nothing but marketing so that enough money can be raise to give someone a fat pay check.

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lobsterdog666@reddit

Every plant and tree will die. Owls will deafen us with incessant hooting. The town sundial will be useless.

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Malcolm_Morin@reddit

I'll take eternal winter over this heat.

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Top-Classroom3984@reddit

Move somewhere cooler

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It-s_Not_Important@reddit

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EvolvingEachDay@reddit

Who is planning to do that?

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Ok-Pride-2776@reddit

Anything humans touch gets hurt man. Folks need to just leave the fucking planet alone at this point. Plastic in the water, chemicals in our air, poison in our soils. Yet they wanna put WHAT in our atmosphere? How is that going to affect our weather and the rain. Acid rain? Dead crops if so. Add cloud seeding to make it rain in places you want and that turns into a weapon lowkey. This can go wrong in so many ways..

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Westervangaal@reddit (OP)

Link to article:: https://euobserver.com/217619/why-blocking-the-sun-to-cool-the-planet-is-bound-to-go-wrong/?cst=ff96c240e7bf48a826fa80d54660851df49d09ac559e954fd312b709d9260adf