Have I ruined my life?
Posted by Critical-Rise-1405@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 112 comments
This is hard to write.
I hold a CPL, I failed my instructor rating 3 times, I never finished it. In total I now have 7 fails.
Should I quit trying to look for work.
I'm 99k in debt, pretty sure if I leave aviation my family would disown me and my gf would leave me.
I don't have to get to an airline job but I would like to fly for a living. Is it over?
Slightly_Moist_Toast@reddit
After reading a few other comments I agree it sounds like you could do well in airline operations such as a dispatcher or management position.
Both would probably require some more investment and schooling but that this point that is better than throwing in the towel entirely
Regular-Coffee-1670@reddit
There are many jobs in aviation other than being a pilot, that are interesting and well paid. Look into other options.
cheetuzz@reddit
non-pilot here. OP said they hold a CPL but failed the Instructor Rating.
doesn’t that mean they have a Commercial Pilot License and could be a commercial pilot? Just that they can’t train others?
Fixinbones27@reddit
This is what I was thinking.
Critical-Rise-1405@reddit (OP)
I managed to pass all my theory papers first time including ATPL's. Apart from one but passed it on the second attempt within a month in my country there are 20+ papers. During the instructor rating flight test I did pass the ground component. That was roughly 4-5 hours worth of material.
Regular-Coffee-1670@reddit
It sounds like you are excellent at the theory side, not so good at the practical? If that's the case, think about working in aviation management or regulation. I know it doesn't sound at "fun" as being a pilot, but these are important, respected, well paid jobs.
TweezerTheRetriever@reddit
Work on the ramp and then move to the operations center…nobody has to know what you do inside the airport….knew an Indian girl who told her family she was a gate agent because they would respect that but she was just flinging bags with the rest of us
Tyler_w_1226@reddit
What makes gate agent more prestigious than bag handler?
ArghRandom@reddit
The uniform opposed to workwear for some cultures I suppose
TweezerTheRetriever@reddit
Uniform and white collar job
Bomb-Number20@reddit
I worked security in college, and this was 100% the case. I had several coworkers explain the optics of this in some cultures over my time there.
golfzerodelta@reddit
In many cultures, “laborer” jobs are the absolute bottom of the social/employment hierarchy.
Imlooloo@reddit
Or an AV mechanic! They make great money!
Impressive-Yak-7449@reddit
We make good money, but life expectancy is lower due to the chemicals
Maclunkey4U@reddit
Same for pilots, but the chemicals that kills us we choose to drink
Impressive-Yak-7449@reddit
You think mechanics Don't drink?! That's cute! We kill our livers using a two phase approach: from the outside and the inside! Lol
Maclunkey4U@reddit
Well, livers are evil and they must be punished.
Cheers!
spammehere98@reddit
Have you considered a different instructor for refresher lessons? It may be there's some things in the way you've been taught that the examiners do not like.
Impressive-Yak-7449@reddit
That happened with me. My instrument/commercial CFI didn't have the 24 calendar months so I had to switch instructors. We didnt click and I would fly like shit with him.
KeveyBro2@reddit
Where are you from? Sounds like not USA because of the huge amount of theory exams. EASA or CASA?
gojira303@reddit
Aviation management and dispatching seem like a good area to follow. Controllers are always on demand!
Total_Wrongdoer_1535@reddit
I’m far from aviation, but even I heard there is big worldwide shortage
sjp1980@reddit
That sounds like you would be really well suited to aviation as a career, just not flying. Could getting into something like aviation safety, security or managing airports be something you could move into?
FilouBlanco@reddit
Not a helpful reply, but if you haven’t heart it yet, find Cabin Pressure on YouTube, its an old BBC radio comedy about a pilot that tool seven goes to get his CPL. Who knows you could be the next Martin.
Soggy-Spring9673@reddit
No, keep trying. Don't give up. Practice more.
Fun-Restaurant-4644@reddit
Hey man, i had my “dream job” (high paying in the field i always wanted to work in since kid) before and did a massive burnout/ professional exhaustion, so much i had to find whole new career, i couldn’t stand working in the same field again. Before i did any moves i had a really hard talk with my gf at the time and with my family. I was genuinely fearing their reaction and judgement. In the end, they were extremely supportive and appreciative of my honesty and cared way more about my wellbeing, most of the time that’s how people who care are about you are. Aviation doesn’t define you, it’s not the only thing in the world. It’s hard but it’s the truth, you’re not made for aviation, your family will understand that, i really don’t see why they would disown you. If your gf is only with you because of your job, it’s nothing better than a gold digger, might be time for a relationship change. The pill might be hard to swallow but at that point it’s more of a safety concern for you and everyone around you. I don’t know the nature of the 7 failures but an airline won’t take the “risk”. Sorry but it’s over, if you really want to work in aviation, there are other jobs than pilot where you could possibly be better suited for, flying for a living might be over but your life isn’t.
Critical-Rise-1405@reddit (OP)
It’s the hard talks that i’m most worried about. I live in an Asian household. I do believe that I could be better suited elsewhere away from the cockpit. But just having to deal with the social aspect terrifies me. The family pressure, the pressure to find a stable and welling paying job, and then having to deal with the Asian community asking me why I’m not flying also terrifies me. I don’t want to feel like a failure.
trubol@reddit
The guy commenting bellow had a great idea.
My mate also wanted to fly but he (no lie) found out he was daltonic, ie. colour-blind.
Can't be a pilot if you're colour-blind. And it's one of those things you only notice when you're old enough to go "hey, both these socks are grey, why are you telling me one is yellow?" kind of thing, right?
Pretty easy to fake (see image bellow).
Anyway, good luck, mate.
And fuck all that social pressure, family pressure, etc. Not cool in any culture
CouchPotatoFamine@reddit
I am color blind, it kept me out of the COast Guad (thank God).
Critical-Rise-1405@reddit (OP)
I passed an operational colour vision test to get my medical certificate.
eddie_cat@reddit
Does your family necessarily know that?
s0ul_invictus@reddit
My wife is Chinese, I'm familiar. What exactly happened after you passed the ground portion?
Critical-Rise-1405@reddit (OP)
1st attempt failed to demonstrate a preflight around the aircraft because I didn’t showcase the 5 aircraft documents required for flight. 2nd flight test failed to teach principles of flight using appropriate instructional techniques. 3rd flight test I passed everything on the ground and the lesson I was meant to teach, but then when it came to the forced landing demonstration it wasn’t ideal. I made the paddock but it wasn’t to the standard that an instructor should teach to a student. I was high at my critical points/area. That resulted in a fail. Had i completed this i only had 2 low level manoeuvres to showcase and then circuits and then the flight test was done. The examiner said i was very close to passing most likely needing 3-4 more hours to practice forced landings to pass
Bindolaf@reddit
Forcing yourself to become an "adequate" CFI may not be a good idea.
Critical-Rise-1405@reddit (OP)
I agree
Brief-Visit-8857@reddit
You are close. Don’t give up
s0ul_invictus@reddit
No man, you have to see this through, you are too close. Get it done and start building hours, you get enough hours you'll eventually find somebody needing a pilot. Besides, while you're building hours it will give you more time to think about how to explain to your family if you don't become an ATP. Make it tomorrow's problem!
BUT - get it right this time, man. Practice 12 hours if he said you need 3 and don't fail again.
TheBlacktom@reddit
I cannot comprehend how that entire culture can even function like that.
Anyway, maybe go and find (fake?) a health issue that nobody could verify or disprove and say that's the reason you cannot continue? Surely nobody would blame you for a health condition, would they? (If yes, can we just burn Asia to the ground?)
trubol@reddit
Good idea.
I suggested colour blindness to the guy after reading your comment
saml01@reddit
Pretty sure this is fake.
N2DPSKY@reddit
Or the beginning of a country song.
Separate-Cell-6593@reddit
First off, props to you for being vulnerable and willing to ask a community to assess the situation. I’m a current ATC trainee at an en route center, who wanted aviation in my life but for many reasons chose this side over flying, from a career standpoint. Though I have my PPL and plan to return to flying in the coming years.
As people have mentioned, it’s a tough road ahead if you want to fly for compensation. If you have any interest in becoming a controller and are eligible, feel free to pm me. If you’re younger than 31 and haven’t had any legal trouble, you’re likely eligible given your medical status as a pilot. There are also TONS of opportunities in the FAA if you’re willing to relocate for a job. If you’re remotely interested in FAA opportunities, feel free to reach out, I’d happy to share what I know. I don’t check messages super often, so I might not see it immediately
Sorry_Sorry_Everyone@reddit
Around 12 years ago I had racked up over 110k in student loan debt to become a commercial pilot only to come to the awkward realization that I wanted nothing to do with actually working as commercial pilot. I hadn’t failed anything but the process of becoming a pilot and seeing my graduated friends’ new lifestyles at first officers grinding through regional airlines totally destroyed the passion I had always had for flying.
I ended up pivoting to aviation management and have created a career working in product development. love what I do now, even though it’s been years since my job has had anything to do with aviation at all. I specialize in construction equipment systems and controls and the commercial pilots license has always been a unique and valuable asset for me in interviews. I paid off all my student debt nearly 5 years ago now and I make much more now than I would be making in the airlines. I can still fly for fun, though admittedly it’s been a few years since I’ve done that.
Don’t throw good money after bad just to avoid the initial embarrassment from friends and family.
Agile_Sink9623@reddit
Im slowly coming to the same conclusion as someone who studied to be a pilot...tell me did you do extra degree on that or you just got there through your skills? I really wanna pivot to engineering or av management as well but idk if to start sending cvs or just to get a master degree first
Sorry_Sorry_Everyone@reddit
I switched from a Commercial Aviation to an Aviation Management degree while I was in college. But as long as you have a degree, I wouldn’t be afraid to start sending out CVs for av management related roles, as long as craft your resume/cv to explain how your experience and skillsets may apply. The “requirements” employers put in job postings are rarely hard requirements as long as you can sell why you have equivalent experience or skills. My first job was at a drone software startup and I was able to leverage my “aviation experience” into a product management type role.
You probably need another degree to get an engineering role specifically, but product management, project management, marketing, support, etc roles can all work closely with an engineering team and typically without any formal engineering training.
Kaffe-Mumriken@reddit
Go to wallstreetbets if you wanna look at people making bad financial decisions
chuckop@reddit
Never quit trying. Examine the failures, identify patterns, and fix it.
Purple_Trade_8032@reddit
I think the comment section speaks for itself but don’t beat yourself up man! We are all rooting for you in whatever you decide to pursue!
bhalter80@reddit
If your family leaves you because you leave aviation that's a silly reason and they're bad people. You're better off without them, and you need to pursue a life that YOU find fulfilling.
If you're out living for others you'll end up both miserable and realizing that they'll probably die before you struggling for identity.
Only you can make you happy, if being their subbie does that carry on. Otherwise stand up and live YOUR life
PuzzleheadedTea4221@reddit
Are you familiar with the field of Aviation safety. That might be something that you can look into that might possibly fit in your search. Good luck.
FanNo421@reddit
I can’t attest to your country but if you were in Aus/NZ/USA it’s over. Unfortunately no general aviation operator or airline will hire a pilot with that many fails.
jjkbill@reddit
Weirdly in Aus there's actually no way for an operator to know how many flight test fails you have. But it's the opposite for theory exams, an airline will see every attempt and score you got.
Mercury4stroke@reddit
Same in Canada. They don’t know unless you tell them. I’ve had 4 interviews so far and nobody has asked me anything. From skydiving, to survey, to 703 charter. I can imagine the airlines will ask but I’ve yet to experience it.
AfterwardsCold@reddit
Can they see written scores?
Mercury4stroke@reddit
Only if I share it with them. They were quite shit so I’m hoping nobody asks. The INRAT was rough for me since it was purely self study and I didn’t study the right information
AfterwardsCold@reddit
I see. Yeah the self study is difficult I did it for ppl and did well but I will not be self studying anymore for cpl multi ifr thank god🤣
Mercury4stroke@reddit
In Canada PPL and CPL have required ground school so I was good with those. Nothing for the instrument rating though, and I was humbled big time lol
Critical-Rise-1405@reddit (OP)
Really how’s does that work? An operator won’t ask?
jjkbill@reddit
They might ask but there is no way of verifying your answer (unless you made it clear in your logbook). Although CASA has the records they're not allowed to be seen by anyone else. I've been through the process with an airline and it didn't come up. Like I said, theory exams are the opposite, and if you've had some exam fails they'll ask you why in the interview.
Critical-Rise-1405@reddit (OP)
I’d imagine the hiring manager would look through your logbook? Wouldn’t they see stickers put in by the flight examiner at the time of your flight test? Doesn’t the flight examiner put something into the logbook? They do in NZ.
jjkbill@reddit
Yeah they might look through your logbook but the examiner doesn't put anything in there. The pass goes on your physical licence, the fails just get recorded in the online CASA system
Academic_Candy4611@reddit
It’s not over yet buddy not even close trust me just push forward constantly it’s over if you give up and it’s over when you look at the B747-8I or a A380 and think damn airplanes are ugly, as long as you have passion continuously push so what if airlines reject you Apple again and again and again and to multiple places, a pilot who learns is a better pilot than a pilot whose just perfect
West_Good_5961@reddit
I had your dream and did some private flying, but I was never going to pass the medical with ADHD.
Aircraft maintenance is a good career. Avionics is the most pilot adjacent specialisation as we work with all the instrument systems you’ve been trained to use.
Another option are the various flight ops corporate roles within airlines. They need people with CPL for network planning and flight analysis.
You’re definitely not out of options at this point.
pueraria-montana@reddit
Not a pilot but the FAA is pretty strict about mental health, right? Can you fake some sort of brain problem (like say you have suicidal thoughts or that you’re hearing voices) and have your medical certificate revoked?
EliteEthos@reddit
Now it makes sense…
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/JmWvEvRtRf
Of course you didn’t mention that in your post yesterday.
You’re not getting a low time job that will pay off those loans. It’s why loans are frowned upon.
You’ll probably find that nobody will “disown” if they actually care about you. That being said, it might be worth looking into other career options… for multiple reasons.
loulougamer2208@reddit
Maybe a change in career is needed, but i’m pretty sure your family and girlfriend will always love you.
Your ability to bounce back after a failure is a much more important quality as a human being.
I believe in you champ !
RiverFrogs@reddit
For real and if your girlfriend or family isn’t there to support you then screw them and move on from them too
skyHawk3613@reddit
Why would they disown you ?
jackofnac@reddit
Air traffic control needs people desperately
Dpinioied@reddit
7 fails doesn’t erase the rest of your record or judgment. Aviation is full of people who pivot within it, not just fly in it. Feels like you’re still in the system, just not in the seat you expected.
just-a-cowpoke@reddit
Get your dispatch certificate
Agile_Sink9623@reddit
Bro, I failed my last ATPL exam by one point and never got my licence because of it. At the time I genuinely thought my life was over. Years of work felt wasted, and redoing the flights was way too expensive.
But honestly, life didn’t end. I still managed to work in flight ops and office jobs without even having my degree or ATPLs finished.
So please believe me: your life is not over. It feels awful now, I know, but this is not the end. You still have options, and things really can get better.
ryanneary46@reddit
I’m sure you will be okay, maybe a management type role because it sounds like you know the theory side to it all
on3day@reddit
Does that sound like the kind of manager you would like to have?
I get that being nice is what most people do but still, sounds like I wouldn't want to work with OP unless they have some counseling or something.
ryanneary46@reddit
You should see the manager I have 🤣 don’t think they need counselling
Relevant_West6842@reddit
Nah - there are plenty of jobs for bush pilots in Africa and Canada
No_Weakness_4795@reddit
The military might help pay off your student loans if you join? Plenty of aviation rates there.
ElectronicUpstairs39@reddit
You don't need an instructor rating unless you want to become an instructor or looking for more opportunities to gain the hours. My has a commercial pilots licences, a single and twin engine night rating, a twin engine instrument rating, a low flying rating and at the end he could not find work because they were looking for pilots with 2000 hours flying time on twins. He gave up after a while and found himself a different career. I lent him the money for all the training as and at the end I did not expect repayment. There were so many low hours commercial pilots who were in the same shoes. Spend over $40000 and than had no choice but walk away from their dream job. You can not reach the hours paying out of your own pocket in order to find employment.
Rsbte@reddit
Pivot to ATC
Apuonbus@reddit
I used to fly for a major airline in Asia, they said there are no bad students or instructors, what there is is different learning styles and teaching styles.
You need to find an instructor who teaches the way you learn.
I've known people who sat their test more than seven times, flying for international Airlines now. If its your passion don't give up. I think it was mentioned before, change instructor, possibly flying school if they don't have someone who suits you.
When I did my private licence I did t perform well with my first instructor. After a change I progressed fairly well.
Took me 80 hours to get my private licence. Currently I'm flying with a flag carrier as a captain.
Critical-Rise-1405@reddit (OP)
That’s incredible to hear. Your story feels familiar. At the time of gaining my CPL I had 263 hours and 4 fails. That was actually considered normal and acceptable here. Nothing flash but not bad or career ending.
I then went down the instructor route and it was the worst decision I ever made. The course was taught more like a military training course. It was considered a good day if you had only been yelled at and nothing else happened to you. You’d hope you weren’t pick to present something otherwise you were basically opening yourself up to be ripped apart in front of the entire class.
Flying was the worst part of it. You were basically going 1 on 1 with the instructor in a yelling contest. Except you weren’t going to say anything back. You’d get yelled at if you were 10 ft off your reference altitude or slightly off your reference point. I get it’s important to fly accurately but when you are fresh in the right seat and not allowed to view your instruments every few second to confirm performance flying only off attitude is hard. I’m not sure if anyone else agrees with that last part but it was something I definitely struggled with. You weren’t able to ask questions as they wanted you to talk to your classmates and form a team bond. If you asked you’d get ripped apart or they’d make you figure it out. So I never asked again. Waking up each morning to attend class and the flight made me want to vomit in the morning. I haven’t felt like that since I was kid. People did pass this course but a lot of them said it should never be taught like this. Getting a debrief was always the worst part because it was never done privately it was done outside in the open so the entire school could hear you being ripped into. Ultimately I was way to stressed and anxious, I wanted to quit the second day in the course but figured if I just man up and deal with it I’d get used to it. That never happened. I got authorised to go and fly in 46kt gusting 57kt conditions it was 26kt gusting 37 knots when I took off. That was the most dangerous thing I’ve ever done. It wasn’t just me either there were other students in the class up there as well. One had a taxiway incident where the propeller hit the pavement after his aircraft tipped over in the strong winds. It was more comfortable being away from the class.
Ultimately I switched schools but I think the mental damage was done I became hyper aware of my mistakes and it felt horrific to make one. It felt like I was getting judgement everywhere. I felt like i was losing my identity as a pilot I had more trouble compared to the other pilots despite being now in a much more relaxed environment. There was no cool down period when I switched schools. I went straight into another instructor course without a break that’s another mistake I made. I did notice the days I was relaxed I performed better but randomly I would under perform. I’m guessing it was due to stress. I had a CPL and I could no longer maintain the standards of a CPL holder. Despite flying through most of this period. It felt really embarrassing. Eventually I came to the flight test and failed the first and second attempt on minor issues that’s what other instructors have said about my failure. The 3rd attempt was my first real attempt. At that point I was done with being an instructor I felt who would hire a 3x failing instructor if I passed on the 4th. I also just wanted to protect myself mentally. I wasn’t suicidal but I just wanted calmness again. So I stopped flying and worked and saved money, recently renewed my instrument and commercial license. Now I’ve been looking for jobs. For those wondering I’m not based in the USA, about a 10 hour flight away.
JiveCola@reddit
Fwiw I work in training and standards at an airline and the experience you've had from trainers is exactly the opposite of how we teach ours to deliver training.
Good pilots are unfortunately tuned to look for negatives, it's essentially what a scan is and what systems monitoring entails. So when we get some negative feedback it's very easy to forget all your strengths, positive feedback and successes in favour of hyperfixating on the negatives. You must be self-aware, this is incredibly important, yet you should also consider that those who give feedback are fallible and not all of equal quality or experience.
Apuonbus@reddit
Basically you're in the UK or Europe. 🤣
Critical-Rise-1405@reddit (OP)
I could correct you but it’d narrow it down
JiveCola@reddit
I'm surprised so many people have said to quit.
Dependent on OP's country I understand that the instructor route may seem like the most well trodden path but look for other jobs you can do with your CPL. Failing an instructor rating 7 times is irrelevant to your overall flying career and doesn't need to be declared. Perhaps being an instructor isn't for you right now but equally it can be a failing of the training you were given.
Consider looking at other CPL jobs and a path to ATPL.
Critical-Rise-1405@reddit (OP)
I recently spoke to a chief floatplane pilot and I told him about my 3x instructor failures and he basically said he’d failed his instructor rating 3x as well but he still found work and then years later he gained his instructor rating. He basically gave me his number and said I could call him anytime if I needed career advice. He’s basically acting as a mentor now. I do wonder if it was luck I met someone with a similar story.
Apuonbus@reddit
You're correct.
I always wanted to be a pilot, that's why I never quit. Been through all kinds of crap, but it's worked out well in the end.
Did my private pilots licence in the USA, Commercial pilots licence in Malaysia, Airline Transport Pilits licence In UK
Can't even remember the last time anyone asked me how many times I sat a flight test/checkride
pilotshashi@reddit
Don’t worry mate focus on main goal “ATP”
work for it
Kookaburra345@reddit
Try air traffic control
Tin_Pusher1234@reddit
Air traffic control? You are still on your feet and breathing buddy. Life’s not over, there’s always so much more good than bad in life.
Hang in there, don’t be so hard on yourself.
Appropriate-Offer-35@reddit
Try an airline outside the US. Most other countries don’t require you to get a CFI and spend 1500 hours teaching something you just learned yourself before moving to an airline.
juanmlm@reddit
99K is far from life-crushing, good financial planning, hard work and good discipline can make that go away quickly.
That said, it sounds like it's not for you, and you should avoid throwing good money after bad.
I don't get why your family would disown you if you left aviation, though.
Alani73@reddit
Cries in medical school : (
gstormcrow80@reddit
It sounds like OP is not from the US. We have no idea of knowing what socioeconomic background their family has, or what the CPI is for their area. $99k could be $1M rupee and crippling debt …
bfly1800@reddit
Also, if they did disown you, that says a lot more about them than it does about you. I’m not saying it would be smooth sailing - family dynamics are tricky, but I think ultimately you’d be glad you didn’t keep pushing against a brick wall just to keep people happy who don’t have your best interests at heart.
No-Brilliant9659@reddit
You hold a CPL, so you can technically fly for a living.
Your life is not over. If your girlfriend would leave you just because you don’t fly for a living then you need to find a new girlfriend. My wife would stay with me even if I shoveled shit for a living, so long as I showered before I came home.
MaydFox@reddit
Ask yourself if your last sentence is 110% correct. If it is and you really would like to fly for a living, I say try again until you succeed.
Even though others suggestions are correct, you found something to live for, extremely rare statistically. Most people never find this.
Work harder and get it.
Cant_Plop_This@reddit
Hey mate, I turned away from a flying career with a frozen atpl. Had all those conversations. DM me if you want to chat about it. It can be one of the best decisions you ever make. Your happiness comes first those that are close to you will want the same. Keep the chin up
Physical-Parfait-315@reddit
This is the problem with social norms, in Asian countries money and status are worth far more than empathy, love and respect. If my wife left me if I changed jobs (which I did) I would have been better off, same with family, if their idea of respect is making me feel unworthy then they can happily fuck off. I’m not in aviation but I did management for over 10 years and burned out. I took a couple of months off to reset and then moved to a far less stressful role in mechanics. Best thing I ever done, and my now wife was behind me all the way as she loves me and knew that my happiness not only helped me but us both. Since then we got married and have kids, we are not rich but we are happy. The whole concept of “follow the money“ or “career = status“ is outdated and quite frankly boring.
SRM_Thornfoot@reddit
It’s only over when you quit. If you want it bad enough nothing can make you quit.
Go watch “An officer and a Gentleman”
KennyGaming@reddit
Why are you not passing?
Bindolaf@reddit
As a non-aviation person:
1. You did not ruin your life.
2. 99k debt is easily recoverable. It will take a bit of time, but it will be in the background.
3. If your family would disown you and your girlfriend would leave you because you don't work in aviation, it's time to dump the family and the girlfriend.
4. Maybe don't fly anymore. Ever. It seems you are, at best, a mediocre pilot, with (in practice) no great attention to detail and procedure. That's ok! It's good to know one's limitations and not rushing headlong into something dangerous. For you and for others.
5. Be safe and good luck.
thesuperbob@reddit
Yeah I'd say this is best advice. Maybe after getting some aviation related job OP can sort out their circumstances a bit and try again when they are in a better place.
From OP's tone I'm getting an impression there's a whole layer of extra stress due to being in sink-or-swim situation. Perhaps trying again when their life is more stable (on their won, debt gone or being paid off in regular installments, already have a job), they can approach this with a more healthy mindset.
That way, if they eventually get a license and still stuck, OP won't feel forced to keep flying for a living.
aomt@reddit
Don’t give up just yet. - Recognise WHY you were failing. Is it really lack of skills and understanding? Some people killed themselves pushing career. - bad instructor? Get a new one - Not enough practice? Something else?
Look, you need to be HONEST with yourself on why your are failing. Talk with instructor, examiner. If this can be fixed and you are “otherwise good pilot” - finish it off. If you have several fundamental issues, don’t push for it. You end up killing yourself and maybe few others. Absolutely not worth it.
As for debt. It sucks, but it doable. You will Have to pause your life for few years. Work hard, save all you can, pay to the bank. Than do something you love, get family, enjoy. Half of my batch mates never made it to the cockpit with same debt. All of them are doing very well now.
TheBlacktom@reddit
Your family and girlfriend relationships are depending on a particular career choice of yours? I'm sorry, but what kind of family or relationship is that?
Sounds toxic. These thoughts should never even come up in your mind, yet you are thinking about this and sharing it with thousands online. Why is your career connected to your family or other relationships AT ALL? There should be no relation or dependence in any direction.
nomisman@reddit
Fair play for bouncing back from 7 fails. That’s tough and shows resilience but also suggests you may never find this career to be manageable. The checkrides never stop in this career. Good luck.
luka-doncicfan77@reddit
Go into nursing
emezeekiel@reddit
Dude. 99k is recoverable (over a long time) as long as you don’t keep digging.
Ask Claude what other pilot-related fields you could be good at. It’ll tell you. Maybe it’ll ask what you were best/worst at in training.
Maybe you sucked at landings, so… ATC controller? That’s a job for life and good money if you can make it.
BeenThereDoneThat65@reddit
Honestly. It’s not going to be easy and you are probably out of any type rating required flying. I certainly would have a hard time justify hiring you when there are so many other candidates that don’t have the failures it would be a tough sell to spend the money to type you and NOT have you pass
cloudhunting@reddit
Your experience may be very valuable in other kinds of jobs within aviation. Consider your options.
on3day@reddit
I dont know the circumstances, but sounds like this is not for you. Depending on what happened I dont think you will be the best candidate in any solliciting procedure.
Focus less on aviation but more on your relationships. Have a good talk with your GF and parents. Usually people that love eachother will give support in difficult times. Be open, they should not drop you like a brick.
Otherwise achieving your goals won't earn their real love anyways.
Good luck.
arseflare@reddit
It's over brah, time to get back to reality rather than dig that hole deeper