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bearinsac@reddit

Couple weird things here, I understand the plane needs to land because it only has so much fuel on board, but interesting that Canada would accept the flight with known risk.

Second weird thing, the passenger that was exposed was taken off the flight and the rest of the passengers on board who were exposed to that passenger were allowed to continue onto Detroit. Now I know a lot isn’t known about this virus, but shouldn’t we play it safe with everyone exposed on the plane until we figure out if the original patient tested positive for the virus?

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hellogoawaynow@reddit

A lot is known about this virus. Ever read The Hot Zone? That came out in 1994. There has been continuous research, even now. The problem is, even with all this research, there is still no vaccine. They have been improving treatment methods, but Ebola is truly something else.

On the other hand, there could probably be more research done, but Ebola outbreaks usually happen in Africa and nobody seems to care about that continent.

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Minute-Act-6273@reddit

Whilst you may not know a lot about the virus, Ebola is one of the best understood viruses in epidemiology/infectious diseases world in terms of pathology and transmission characteristics. It requires direct contact with infected bodily fluids.

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One-Employment3759@reddit

And yet body fluids can aerosol.

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VariousFalcon7466@reddit

You would notice aerosolized blood and feces.

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One-Employment3759@reddit

You'd think so, and yet people still leave the toilet seat up when they flush

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_plume

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VariousFalcon7466@reddit

Ebola doesn’t spread until you show symptoms. You’d notice.

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Gurnsey_Halvah@reddit

You might notice a sore throat and a fever and feeling like crap,, but you wouldn’t automatically think "ebola."

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VariousFalcon7466@reddit

That’s also when they have the lowest risk of infecting people

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/ebola

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Gurnsey_Halvah@reddit

The Bundibugyo strain isn't as well studied. And unfortunately the US pulled its worldwide ebola funding, making it harder to study this very outbreak.

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VariousFalcon7466@reddit

The lack of funding is an issue but Ebola is Ebola as far a how it’s spread is concerned. The US, Canada, UK, Europe, and so on have different practices to Sub Saharan Africa and it spreading here the way it does there is extremely unlikely. Hospitals there(mostly rural ones) don’t have much funding and have trouble getting enough disposable supplies so they have to reuse items like PPE or even needles or linens might not get laundered properly. Funerary practices are also very hands there(depending on culture obviously) and typically done by family members not wearing PPE.

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Gurnsey_Halvah@reddit

They've only just sequenced the genome on this one. It's too early to tell what the exact chain of transmission has been. But at the very least we know Bundibugyo is less lethal, harder to test for (because most existing equipment doesn't recognize the strain), and the current ebola vaccine isn't effective on it. So there may be differences in transmission too.

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VariousFalcon7466@reddit

The bundibugyo variant has been known for almost 20 years.

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7222_salty@reddit

Sweat saliva and urine …. All pretty persistent on a plane …

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pin5npusher5@reddit

I feel like it'd be almost impossible to get on a plane with ebola, it's so virulent it'd be hard as the infected to operate normal day and so obvious to everyone else

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Gurnsey_Halvah@reddit

And if it's mutated?

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SurgeFlamingo@reddit

Yeah but don’t bring logic into the arena now.

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myKidsLike2Scream@reddit

Logic comes last, first we make bad decisions

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chasingastarl1ght@reddit

Oh I can explain most of that.

So when they say "exposed" - they are being a little overly cautious. Say ebola is in the US, more specifically Florida. And Canada declares "the East Coast" a red zone and ban entry. Well, a random person from New York couldn't get in the country and would be marked as "potentially exposed" even though... Not really? So basically, all entry banned and they have to divert. Upon arrival, the Canadian doctors looked at the case. We have someone who hasn't had contact with anyone sick, that didn't actually go in any red zone and doesn't show any kind of symptoms. Ebola, from what we know, requires bodily fluids contact from someone showing actual symptoms (digestive problems, fever or recent history of fever to the most extreme ones). That person had none.

So the conclusion was that this person could go back home. And that the rest of the passengers were not at risk at all.

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Hearth21A@reddit

As far as I can tell from this article, the "possible exposure" claim is based on the fact that the passenger was recently in an East African country, not that they were actually in physical contact with a person who had Ebola.

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fragrant-final-973@reddit

That kind of factual information isn’t click worthy.

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CallMeTheFartman@reddit

Ebola only spreads through blood and other bodily fluids (not saliva asfaik). If there's no blood, there's no risk.

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Marlinspikehall32@reddit

I thought it could pass through sweat and snot etc. not just blood? But what makes it less contagious it that it is only contagious at the end of the infection? All Of this is a question not a statement. As I don’t know much

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iridescent-shimmer@reddit

You're right that it can spread through bodily fluids, which usually is vomit or contaminated bedsheets. The Hot Zone book has been ripped apart for overdramatizing the bloody aspect of the disease. Usually, the blood is seen as dark specs in vomit or bloodshot eyes. Not the "bleeding from every orifice" that the book author sensationalized. (Just trying to give some context.)

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MagicHugsforThee@reddit

The last paragraph seems the most likely.

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IndividualElk4446@reddit

the last part

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hellogoawaynow@reddit

As someone who had to read The Hot Zone in high school, Ebola is my actual biggest fear in life. That plane should have been diverted to an extremely specialized hospital before people’s organs start melting.

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Known_Leek8997@reddit

Uh sorry Montreal?

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Nolsoth@reddit

Yeah they want a country with an actual competent medical system.

Sadly your neighbours gone down the pray to sky daddy and apply these leeches path.

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echoshatter@reddit

We have some really great hospitals and doctors here. Probably a lot of the best in the world in fact.

The diversion was either "this is the first place we can set down" or it was a "we should probably go somewhere that can speak French and English given the passengers we have."

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dustycanuck@reddit

Poor bastard might have Ebola - sending them to the US would be the definition of kicking someone when they're down.

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SnooPies8766@reddit

Can you imagine if they actually had landed in the US? They'd have been sent to a detention centre, and if they did have Ebola, that would've infected all those poor people. It then resumably would have evolved into a zombie outbreak.

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waejongxang@reddit

Is the competent medical system in the room with us right now? People really just say things and think that verbalizing it makes it factual. Canada doesn’t even keep pace with the Euro systems. Keep coping though.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7292524/

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2025

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Prescientpedestrian@reddit

Wait times, really? That’s how you decide if a healthcare system is any good? Not life expectancy, infant mortality, competency of healthcare professionals, or per annum costs for services? Let’s just say wait times are long and ignore the fact that Canada consistently ranks in the top 5 healthcare systems globally.

https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/

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Nolsoth@reddit

While Canada can do better and will do better over time it's still a fuck load better than the US who has consistently ranked in the bottom section for health outcomes in the OECD lusts for 20 years now.

We bitch about our health system in new Zealand and we are consistently in the top rankings.

The simple fact is anywhere including an ebola ridden cesspit is a better fucking place to get healthcare from than a country that told people to inject bleach and gobble horse deworming paste to cure COVID. A country that literally bankrupts people who need an ambulance and tie healthcare entirely to jobs in some fucked up dystopian nightmare.

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Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit

Or the fact it's illegal for them to land in the US and not illegal to land in Canada.

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LockJaw987@reddit

We're not exactly known for having a working healthcare system...

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plsdonth8meokay@reddit

Well they won’t find it in Canada!

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joeg26reddit@reddit

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Puzzle-Necked@reddit

Taaaabarnak

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WaffleHouseGladiator@reddit

"Ebola Pandemic" is not the summer Blockbuster we've all been waiting for. At least the plane got diverted to a country with proper public healthcare.

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Arglival@reddit

As a Canadian... hahaha.. yup us commoners can get a needed test in a few weeks / months.. then we can start to schedule the specialist.

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cyanescens_burn@reddit

Do you just not go to the doctor even though it’s potentially serious, and it just gets worse, then go bankrupt when you do finally go, and if your luck really sucks end up dying on the street?

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psidud@reddit

Just something to consider, Canada's healthcare system is "free" for residents. Tourists are not covered, so they are still paying out of pocket (unless they have their own insurance for travel)

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LockJaw987@reddit

People here literally die in emergency rooms due to long wait times

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Vercoduex@reddit

Yes because you're paycheck can get garnished from unpaid debt so your going to be homeless most likely anyways especially if your living paycheck to paycheck. Also some states don't have a expanded Medicaid system so unless your disabled, old, or a veteran you don't get insurance unless you got a lot of money

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Legend_of_Moblin@reddit

Can you imagine being a third world country disguised as a first world country.

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Vercoduex@reddit

Im not defending America. I wish to be out of here either because honestly I think its beyond saving. Im just explaining a real situation millions here myself included face. The ones who didn't vote for this bs wants out trust me.

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Legend_of_Moblin@reddit

Oh I didn't think you were. I was just being sarcastic. I wish more people realized if they held their elected officials accountable they would have better lives. They don't represent the people anymore so force them to. Although I guess corporations are people these days.

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Vercoduex@reddit

Sorry should of realized I'm exhausted. Citizens united made corps ppl, the worse organization. We have selective freedoms here lol. Be a christain white rich male and your golden. Everyone else can fuck off apperantly. Im transgender myself here so im feeling the hell and one of the reasons I want a way out of this country. I looked through the ancestry list and ways but I dont have close enough to leave.

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chasingastarl1ght@reddit

There's more waiting time cause everyone has access to the system. Of course, when a huge chunk of the population can't access care, it's faster to see the specialist... But truly, the reason our system has issues is because we refuse to invest in it properly. We could have tons of doctors if we removed the quotas from Universities and made education free. We could give more "rights" to nurses and super nurses so that they can address first line care more efficiently, we could nationalize virtual hospital instead of letting private companies profit from that so that we could get this super efficient triage and unclog the emergency rooms... But instead, we keep destroying our healthcare bits by bits and blaming the problem on the fact that it's accessible when the issue is that it's underfunded. The people destroying our healthcare systems are the one that will profit from the privatized parallel system...

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uberallez@reddit

Many people in the US cannot afford to see a doctor until they get so sick they have to go to a hospital,and then you go broke paying the $30000+ hospital bill. Garnished wages. Collections agencies bullying you.

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DocWallaD@reddit

You missed at least one zero in there..

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bristlybits@reddit

you realize we wait just as long in the US as well

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Relative-Dog-6012@reddit

Still better than the U.S.

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tots4scott@reddit

Also, a Cigna Executive came out and said the US insurance companies created the "Canadian wait times are longer than US" and other lies as anti-single payer system propaganda. I think his name was Wendel Potter? I could be wrong. But he's since denounced what he did and supports a single payer system.

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thesnazzyenfj@reddit

told yall Candace Owens should've left Brigitte alone...

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BeneficialTrash6@reddit

"Officials would not say if the passenger was showing any signs or symptoms of the virus."

That strongly suggests the passenger was showing symptoms. If the passenger wasn't showing symptoms, the airline would have no trouble saying so.

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Somewhere32@reddit

It could be that the passenger was coming back for prompt healthcare and the flight crew investigated further only after he showed symptoms on the flight…

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ObscureSaint@reddit

Ugh. Back when we had the last outbreak, my kid happened to spike a high fever. They had to rule out any Ebola chances in the ER before doing a lumbar puncture to check for meningitis. I remember how serious everyone was about it. And the threat was high on everyone's mind in the ER.

That was one of the early experiences that made me understand how serious these things can be. When covid landed, I already had a bunch of N95 masks in my supplies at home, and I was fully stocked on hand sanitizer. I ended up donating N95s to our local fire station, and got hand sanitizer refills to our delivery truck drivers.

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Think_Bread6401@reddit

What country are you in?

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ObscureSaint@reddit

United States

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iridescent-shimmer@reddit

Yeah I'm genuinely curious about that too.

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VariousFalcon7466@reddit

I highly doubt it happened. I lived very close to the hospital that treated the case in Dallas and they definitely weren’t testing everyone with a fever.

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iridescent-shimmer@reddit

I'm assuming they don't live in the US

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VariousFalcon7466@reddit

Their post history points towards being in the US.

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Regular_Heroin_@reddit

Man it's actually incredible how fast the consequences of the US cutting USAID and pulling out of the WHO is coming around to bite us in the ass

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spicydingus@reddit

It was deliberate

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yogzi@reddit

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iridescent-shimmer@reddit

Yeah, considering Ebola pops up regularly, I feel like everyone who is marginally aware of this knew it was only a matter of time. No one even remembers the outbreak in Rwanda in 2022-2023. I only know because I was going to Tanzania and they closed their borders.

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AirborneGeek@reddit

OK but why is that a picture of a Speedbird (British Airways) tail?

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Random_182f2565@reddit

Cool, now we can have a hanta-Ebola hybrid, we call it sometimes cool like the bleeding plague idk

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Living-Excuse1370@reddit

They're hedging their bets on how to bring in a lockdown. Place your bets here. Hantavirus - 4.1 favourite. Fuel restrictions -6.3 And a new runner for summer 2026 is Ebola.. Place your bets NOW!

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chandlerinyemen@reddit

There will be no lockdown, they’d be happier to just have half of us die

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Feeez_Shato@reddit

Sacrebleu!!

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Bipogram@reddit

Tabernac!

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somethingwholesomer@reddit

Montreal!

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SquirrelyMcNutz@reddit

Coq au vin!

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7222_salty@reddit

Encroyable

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Sad_Math5598@reddit

Where is me mama?!

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StarsFaithful@reddit

Inquiring Minds Want to Know: Where is the passenger today? Once deplaned in Montreal, what happened to the passenger? Testing? Quarantine? Or, simply, put on a flight back to Africa?

PS: Imagine being one of the flight attendants.

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torquil@reddit

According to flight tracking platform FlightAware, the flight landed in Montreal at 5:15 p.m., and the passenger in question was escorted off the plane. The flight was then allowed to continue to its destination in Detroit, where it landed just after 8 p.m.

No mention of passengers going into temporary quarantine. I don't understand why every possible safety procedure isn't being used...it's Ebola. It doesn't have to be airborne for another passenger to have touched something with some body fluid on it. Sneeze and touch the armrest, a seatbelt buckle, handle of the lavatory. And inside the lav? Jeez...

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WeenieRoastinTacoGuy@reddit

Also one of the busiest tourist weekends in Montreal this weekend for Grand Prix!

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bearinsac@reddit

Upon doing more research, I’ve found that they are unsure if the passenger was ever exposed to Ebola. Just currently the US has a 30 day travel ban on everyone coming from the DRC (due to Ebola whether they have it, been exposed, or have just been within its borders) so the passenger wasn’t supposed to be on the flight. Upon realizing this Air France had to get the passenger off the flight and Canada was the best option since they don’t have a travel ban on the DRC. Once the flight crew realized this and got the passenger off they were allowed to continue onto Detroit.

So I don’t think this was actually Ebola related, just Air France making a mistake by allowing the passenger on the flight. But, since the US is treating everyone within the DRC like they have Ebola (I mean, not the worst idea since it’s a deadly disease) we get this headline.

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Hairy_Ad4969@reddit

A passenger on the flight was posting about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/delta/s/2zGRYxMpB3

I tried cross posting here post night but guy’s it got taken down🤷‍♂️

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Ali_and_Benny@reddit

great

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IceRagzz@reddit

Ur welcome :)

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filtersweep@reddit

Yeah- the US response….. would probably have been nothing

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mvb827@reddit

I used to think that zombie movies were unrealistic because of how little the people in them cared about others getting potentially infected. Now I realize they were spot on.

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IceRagzz@reddit

Yeah I know man lmao

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Antique-Ad7635@reddit

The passenger doesn’t have Ebola they just happen to be from the same country where the outbreak is occurring. As usual, The us ban on Congolese is in defiance of who guidance and has no real basis.

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IGetGuys4URMom@reddit

LOL @ the article thumbnail featuring the tail of a British Airways aircraft.

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HaggisHunter93@reddit

Nope, sorry. Been through enough virus stuff for one lifetime.

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HaggisHunter93@reddit

Nope, sorry. Been through enough virus stuff for one lifetime

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Of everything going on right now can we just NOT add worldwide ebola to the bullshit?!

...please and thank you.

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