Land Rover Is Building Something Even Wilder Than The Defender Octa
Posted by UnusualLeadership408@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 29 comments
Posted by UnusualLeadership408@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 29 comments
a49991@reddit
Not every car needs to be developed on the Nurburgring.
DD3566@reddit
Nurburgring testing is incredible valuable for OEM’s for durability purposes. Road-to-Ring mileage is about 10:1, so a mile on the Nurburgring is like doing 10 miles on the road. You can blast through durability testing very quickly and unearth issues earlier in a cars development cycle.
The Nurburgring is also fairly unique in that you can push a car though all aspects of a drive cycle within one long lap, from low speed corners to high speed corners to long flat out sections. At other facilities such as Nardo, MIRA or Millbrook you can do extended high speed straights, or extended low speed cornering, but not really both combined for very long. Whereas the Nurburgring throws all of these at you over a long ~10 minute lap, which you can then repeat over and over again in controlled circumstances.
SwissMargiela@reddit
Don’t they have indoor treadmill thingies for cars that simulate road wear?
Corosz@reddit
Not in the same capacity as a road track with all of the real world nuances in track shape, profile, surface etc.
You need to get out of the lab and into the real world
SwissMargiela@reddit
I feel like it doesn’t work considering most of these Nurburgring tested cars are unreliable af in the real world lol
Corosz@reddit
The defender? Have you looked into any long term reliability reports on em? They’re really solid. Parts are expensive (luxury car, typical) and the upfront cost and depreciation are also predictably large, but there are far more unreliable vehicles out there.
SwissMargiela@reddit
I was talking more about M and AMG cars
a49991@reddit
JLR owns multiple purpose built proving grounds that do a much better job of simulating real world conditions. This is just marketing and it’s working as you can see here.
DD3566@reddit
While the JLR owned facilities are useful (Gaydon mostly, Fen End is much smaller) they have their limitations. The loops at Gaydon are nowhere near as aggressive as the Nurburgring, so while they might be closer to the “real world” it’s also why they use the Nurburgring for the accelerated durability testing. JLR maintains a permanent presence at the Nurburgring for this reason, marketing is more of an added bonus, a lot of these companies were running at the ring years before it became popular with the general public.
Source: Worked at JLR for several years
HiIary4Prison@reddit
Testing it to find weaknesses.
EggPositive5993@reddit
I refuse to believe Land Rover has ever tested a single model trying to find weaknesses
strongmanass@reddit
We can joke about their reliability, but there's a reason they became the vehicle of choice for British farmers over multiple decades.
DM46@reddit
Is it because they copied a jeep and were to stuck up to ever buy and American made car?
aquatone61@reddit
True but it’s a very demanding track with lots of different conditions. A car that can handle hard driving on it can do very well in real world conditions.
UmaThurmish@reddit
James May approves
DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit
I'd always love watching James lose his cool when he found out a car was developed and tested on the Nurburgring.
Substantial_Heat_550@reddit
I mean… yes… but I am not against a version of every car being developed at the Nurburgring.
a49991@reddit
It has Goodyear Wranglers on it….
PurpleSausage77@reddit
Anything can drive on the Nurburgring, it’s like a toll roadway. Sabine Schmitz would send anything on the Ring, she took a full sized Ford Transit van and got a nearly under 10 minute ring time in it.
kstetter@reddit
How much does it cost to drive on it?
Substantial_Heat_550@reddit
lol… touché
73629265@reddit
Another JLR truck the media will absolutely love because they're the only folks who don't have to pay to drive it or maintain it.
FatMonkeyMilk@reddit
It doesn't.... Seem super crazy visually...? Am I wrong? defo not like the 4x4 squared it's being compared to
Adrian_Shoey@reddit
Look how much wider the Octa is compared to the standard 110. And then compare the Dakar racer to the Octa. There is a huge jump between each one.
BrunoEye@reddit
Iirc the Dakar is surprisingly similar to the Octa, mostly just some strengthening and passive suspension.
Adrian_Shoey@reddit
And a good couple extra inches of wheelarch blister on each side.
droiddayz@reddit
The 'standard' Octa is already pretty crazy. It has the 626 hp twin-turbo V8 from the M5 CS, 33-inch tyres, and hydraulically-interlinked suspension.
desf15@reddit
I don't like to be "ackchually" guy, but it is not an M5 CS engine. Defender is using newer S68 engine, while M5 CS had previous generation - S63.
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
Defender Decagon incoming