Toyota Turbo V6 Recall Campaign Grows to Include More Than 250,000 Trucks
Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 257 comments
Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 257 comments
This_Elk_1460@reddit
Man for a company known for their reliability they've really dropped the fucking ball with this generation
Tuxedo_Muffin@reddit
Why would you call out every truck brand like that? This is the state of things now. You get to choose if you want the engine, transmission, or electronics to break in your fancy new pickup.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Not to this extent, these are some of the least reliable trucks built, EVER.
Raider480@reddit
Don't forget, just for fun, that Chevy also have the transmission issues. Plenty of nonsense about shudder and bad factory fluid and complicated flush/re-flush remedies. There are lots of trucks out there with the 8-speeds.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
The Chevy trucks don't have an 8 speed, it's a10 speed
peakdecline@reddit
The 6.2L is considerably worse. The GM's also have the 10-speed transmission issue.
The Tundra is bad, real bad. But the GM failure rates are absolutely higher.
Bderken@reddit
I’ve seen 3 videos of the GMC/Chevy transmission lock up on the highways go viral…
Derivative_Joker@reddit
What’s the failure rate on the 6.2 V8 motors?
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Probably pretty high, most of the trucks sold aren't the 6.2 V8 though, every tundra sold is the turbo 6
arcticabsol@reddit
Just read on any thread from a gm tech that it's 3%. Not sure how accurate that is though. Gm builds alot of 6.2 so 3 percent if true is alot of trucks/suv
aquamanjosh@reddit
lol seriously can this guy give us the correct pick ?
Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit
meanwhile the guys with 10 year old V8 Tundras are slapping the hood like "this baby has got 600K left in her!"
12ozSlug@reddit
When I was truck shopping in 2019 every single Tundra I looked at was leaking oil from the valve covers back towards the firewall because Toyota decided to use FIPG instead of a proper gasket. That's what led me to getting a '17 Silverado instead, which promptly needed a new transmission after 60k miles.
Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit
Oh no lol
Was it covered under warranty at least?
Gan-san@reddit
Too bad they can't afford to drive them at 12mpg and 4.50 gal.
ChaosBerserker666@reddit
I don’t know how they afford to drive them here in BC where gas is way more expensive than that.
estephens13@reddit
Yeah, that was the sweet spot between the frame rot and the bad motors lol.
This_Elk_1460@reddit
Meanwhile the damn Australians are driving around in their Toyota Helix mocking us
ODTE_FGTDELIGHTS@reddit
Brother, we have the equivalent of a Toyota helix, it's the Chevrolet GMT800 5.3
Good luck finding them not rusted out though
InfinitePossibility8@reddit
GMT400s are eternal as well. Still super common to see on the road.
ODTE_FGTDELIGHTS@reddit
This is true
Lynch31337@reddit
I’ve had mine for 26 years, solid platform
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Ford and Stellantis rn: 🥵
Yankee831@reddit
Ford is imho the most reliable truck maker. They have their issues but their drivetrains are in millions of vehicles, they keep them for a long time, and they get absolutely abused on the regular in fleet use more than any other.
dont_ama_73@reddit
I am sure you have stats on that? Ford has been the recall king for the past few years
PinkleeTaurus@reddit
Recalls don't really mean the vehicle is unreliable. I have a huge fleet of trucks, mostly Ford now and the recalls are typically pretty basic stuff. Toyota also is very conservative about issuing recalls it seems. They just keep slowing adding more and more of these V6 turbos to the list.
CurbsEnthusiasm@reddit
My F150 Lightning has been completely trouble free. Can’t say the same for the ecoboost Maverick when I had it.
fireinthesky7@reddit
Mine had the well-documented shifter failure less than a month before Ford put out a recall on them, but other than that, it's been completely flawless.
Oo__II__oO@reddit
The hilarious thing is the Lightning owners solved that problem as fast as Ford did. Now you can swap out the speedboat shifter with a rotary dial from the Bronco.
I myself am tempted to swap out for the column shifter, on my plan to make it seat six.
fireinthesky7@reddit
I want to do the rotary conversion at some point, just haven't gotten around to it. Swapping to a column shifter seems like a lot more work.
Jason_S_88@reddit
My 2022 Ecoboost has been thankfully completely trouble free. Just a bunch of software update recalls. I knew the hybrids had teething issues but thought the Ecoboost ones were mostly solid
FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit (OP)
My 2015 F-150 has been great, 117k miles now. It's only really starting to have one minor issue, which I believe to be the VCT solenoids. Not a big deal and once I stop procrastinating and get them replaced I fully trust it to go another 117k without hiccup. The 5.0/6R80 combo is solid as hell. Glad I don't have to deal with the 10 speed issues of the later trucks.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Any Ford with a reliable transmission is worth keeping. There's a reason they're Ford Motor Company and not Ford Transmission Company. 😏
FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit (OP)
The trick is that the 6R80 was just a license built ZF6 HP, the same way the Torqflite 8 speed in the Dodges is a ZF8 HP.
PrpleMnkyDshwsher@reddit
And the funniest thing to me is the Dodge ZF8 specifically is quickly becoming the LS of the transmission swap world.
luke10050@reddit
Oh believe me Ford can screw up a ZF auto. Look at the T6 ranger with the 6 speed auto. They usually start giving trouble before 100k km (60k mi?)
FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit (OP)
That sample size of 2 is very telling.
The 6R80 has a very good reputation for a reason.
luke10050@reddit
That was 2 for 2 cars. There's also another two with the 3.2l 5 cylinder in front of them I drove that had failing torque converters.
I don't think I've driven a car with a 6R80 that hasn't had issues. I believe Ford Australia had a lot of warranty issues with them.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Ah, it all makes sense now. I have an 8F35 that's designed by GM and built by Ford. 😬
RichardNixon345@reddit
The 8F35 shares a lot of the same issues the 6F35 does - they’re very sensitive to abuse and need regular fluid changes.
The 8F57 is solid at least - it’s just a tweaked 6F50/55.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
I've abused the shit out of mine "off-road". On its second drain and fill in 31k.
trackdaybruh@reddit
The new F150 5.0 uses a wet belt now for their engine, no idea why Ford decide to go this route with their 5.0.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
What issues did you have?
CurbsEnthusiasm@reddit
Limp mode that the dealer and Ford couldn’t figure out after 45+ days. Swapped out harnesses and some modules. Ended up selling it to another dealer while it sat in the other dealers service bay. Eventually I was told it was fixed, so I had the buying dealer pick it up with a tow truck. About two weeks later Ford app indicated the same fault codes with the new owner.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
That sucks. Good riddance.
CurbsEnthusiasm@reddit
We had a new born at the time and it was a stress that I wasn’t willing to deal with. Not for a $19,999 truck. The Lightning on the other hand has been outstanding. Value going up at the moment too.
TheSchlapper@reddit
Toyota isn’t really known for cutting edge tech or creature comforts so they are really tarnishing the primary reason people bought them
Hnry_Dvd_Thr_Awy@reddit
I feel like it has been this way for… almost 20 years at this point.
Little_Passenger_892@reddit
What do you mean? I had an 07 Tundra and it was flawless! Oh, wait, 20 years huh? Hmmmm…
CountBreichen@reddit
we gettin old
Little_Passenger_892@reddit
Yeah, don’t remind me. My youngest loves to tell me the same thing… that little brat
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Yeah that dude is talking out of his ass, there's still decent trucks in the market to this day
Little_Passenger_892@reddit
My point was an 07 is about twenty years old. Kinda joking. Should have never sold it. But the tundra has been fine until they switched to the turbo, about 2022 I think. I drove one in 21 during Covid when you couldn’t find one to save a life and when you could it was $5k over MSRP and I wasn’t impressed at all. Turbo lag, clumsy transmission. Rear was so high it was like a cat that was hungry for some heavy petting. I couldn’t justify the markup and the never ending cost of gas and oil changes so I bought a Rivian, pre-price hike. It made the most sense for me at the time. They were a deal, basically same as a well equipped Tundra and cheaper than higher end Fords. Amazing truck, particularly the drivetrain and driving dynamics. The software bugs and service experience was another story but over all I was pleased with it. I wish they’d make regular vehicles with electric motors installed of Turing all EVs into rolling computers. I guess that’s why I’m looking forward to the Slate. Might be a real game changer.
Little_Passenger_892@reddit
Let me add that as much fun as it was to drive the Rivian, long term just isn’t feasible. Out of warranty repair costs are astronomical so unless 3rd party repair shops jump in and only fix what’s broken at reasonable costs, Rivians and similar will be disposable.
Hnry_Dvd_Thr_Awy@reddit
Oh the bar is just “decent truck”? Sure that’s true.
Hnry_Dvd_Thr_Awy@reddit
Me when I see a wild gray hair for the first time a couple years ago lol
screampuff@reddit
Nissan playing 3D chess
NotveryfunnyPROD@reddit
I think he’s saying it’s a shame Toyota joined the rest of the
Musclecar123@reddit
I’m going to start stockpiling 2009 Corollas
Sonar_Bandit@reddit
Yes, bad thing exists, but have you noticed other bad thing too?? Hmmmmm????
AP-Prime@reddit
At this rate I would say most people buying a truck. All the trucks in that category are having major failures. Between Chevy with lifter and transmission issues, Ford with transmission issues and Dodge with the classic Hemi tick it seems they all have some major problems. People love to fork over 60k plus all day long for them though.
l322sc@reddit
Good points, but I must point out the hemi tick is something that typically happens on trucks over 100k miles. it's also often traced to poor oil change maintenance or high idle times. GM 6.2's and Toyota 3.4's are failing with very low miles and no neglected maintenance. A 5.7 hemi and ZF 8 speed is a very solid drivetrain.
AP-Prime@reddit
I’ll give you that for sure, somehow Dodge is on top for truck reliability right now.
RAMBIGHORNY@reddit
Hemi Ram disappearing to come back and be the most reliable half ton on the market is like some sort of Greek mythological story
AP-Prime@reddit
Certainly wasn’t on my bingo card
DeadliftsnDonuts@reddit
I don’t get why you would pair a turbo to a 8 speed transmission
ChaosBerserker666@reddit
Why not? BMW does it all the time, all of their RWD platform gas cars do and it works great.
fiah84@reddit
why not?
Beneficial-Focus3702@reddit
They dropped the ball on the early 2000s frame rust too.
This_Elk_1460@reddit
Yeah but at least that's a problem you have to worry about later on in the truck's life, and if you're aware of it you can manage it over its life. That's not as bad as total engine failure after a year and a half.
pirates712@reddit
total engine failure after a year and a half, while extremely disappointing and inconvenient, would be under warranty.
Beneficial-Focus3702@reddit
Yep. And not a “voluntary at our discretion” recall.
Beneficial-Focus3702@reddit
It’s bad when it’s a voluntary recall (not mandatory) at their pleasure and they fuck you over on it. I’ll never have a Toyota again because of that.
V48runner@reddit
Dana Corp fucked up pretty bad. They made the frames in Mexico, and would produce them by the thousands, and leave them outdoors, exposed to the elements, then would be later used for production, and painted on the outside. This would cause them to rust from the inside out. There were lots of lawsuits about this.
jivarie@reddit
Bonkers - all they needed to do was keep the old engines and put it behind a modern transmission.
StrangeSmellz@reddit
When gas is what is it now? Yeah right
jivarie@reddit
The creation of this truck predates gas hikes. And American consumers definitely aren’t the most gas conscious historically.
biggsteve81@reddit
That V8 was so thirsty no new transmission could help it.
TheTrueGrapeFire@reddit
I’m in the camp that if Toyota updated the 5.7 to run direct injection and put a good 8 speed behind it, they could’ve broke 20mpg even with the 4.10s they put in every truck. And they wouldn’t be able to build them fast enough.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Highly doubtful with the combustion chamber design.
hehechibby@reddit
LC 200 series had the 5.7l with a 8 speed and it wasn’t any better
jivarie@reddit
Bomb proof, great powerband, extremely low maintenance…it’s a v8 and with a modern transmission that platform would be modernized for towing and as fuel efficient as it could be. But yeah - it’s a v8, it’s not the most fuel efficient. But we’re talking about a large truck.
Captain-Crayg@reddit
The iforce 4 banger hybrids seem solid.
Poignant_Rambling@reddit
Toyota built a reputation of reliability because it didn't innovate or push their tech to the level of other manufacturers. They kept outdated engines in their cars longer than any major manufacturer because buyers were okay with the tradeoff.
Now they finally put some real R&D into dragging their entire platform from chassis to powertrain to the 21st Century, and the hiccups are predictable. Toyota isn't good at sudden bouts of self-improvement after decades of stagnation. I don't know if any company would be.
It's also predicable that the one area they're not terrible at innovating is the hybrid space. So it's unsurprising the new Land Cruiser (Prado/250) is escaping all the Tundra/LX/GX engine issues due to it having a powertrain Toyota actually understands.
PotatoGamerXxXx@reddit
Unfortunately they don't have much other than reliability, they usually the worse performance wise and pretty behind in tech as well.
This_Elk_1460@reddit
My last job was an assistant for a car dealership photo tech so I've been in a lot of vehicles. And man the interior of new GMCs is so nice compared to Toyota. Toyota's the biggest car manufacturer in the world I don't see it why they they can't do any better. Hell while not as reliable as Toyota I think Mazda has done a great job with fairly reliable cars with great interiors for the price.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Nobody, that's why dealerships can't even sell them for 5k under sticker. Most people are fully aware these are piles of burning garbage
starchybunker@reddit
I genuinely don't understand how a company with this level of expertise in metallurgy, machining, and engineering a)allowed this happen b) allowed this to apparently still be an ongoing problem as AFAIK the issue began to be reported in 2023 and they still recalled engines built after that. Or...is it all overblown and only affects a tiny percentage of engines?
razeusv2@reddit
Money. This generation Toyota fell in line to the trend of capitalism of cutting every corner they could and raising prices. And this is the result.
They now offer 7 trim levels for 1 model in order to get you to pay more for features that the last generation had STANDARD (yes, I'm talking about the new GX 550). The first generation of the GX550 didn't even have MEMORY SEATS, lol.
peakdecline@reddit
Define "tiny"?
Here's the thing... a 3-4% failure rate at these scales is a massive issue. That still means the vast majority of the trucks built will be fine. Is that mean this is overblown to you?
starchybunker@reddit
I stated that as a question. 3 to 4 percent is not insignificant. But you cant deny that the internet does this. But in this particular case it appears not to be overblown.
V12-Jake@reddit
The LS500 was known to be spinning rods as early as 2018; they’ve been having this issue for like a decade at this point.
waituhsecond@reddit
Money. My rav4 had a bunch of issues and many “service bulletins” instead of recalls. Yes Toyota has proven they can make bulletproof vehicles, but why do that if they don’t have to anymore because of their brand reputation. its sad but all car brands are making vehicles with planned obsolescence, Toyota included.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Bean counters are building the trucks, I'm sure they changed the machining to save $40 on every truck built and sold and figured it would be fine
GRN225@reddit
Please T man, just put a NA V8 back in the Tundra and a NA V6 back in the Tacoma.
Sonar_Bandit@reddit
Don’t worry, the Frontier is carrying on where Tacoma left off
AllTearGasNoBreaks@reddit
I had the old V6 Tacoma and that thing was a piece of shit. Bought brand new in 2017, sold 10 months later. What a TuRD
Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit
why do you like the Frontier better than the Taco?
i almost went with a Frontier when i couldnt find a '23 Taco, but eventually i found one. Those new Frontier's look fantastic, and that extra 30hp would be nice, but i just don't trust Nissan longevity.
AllTearGasNoBreaks@reddit
Better seats/seating position, better transmission programming, more power, better MPG. Rides nicer. Solid truck.
I hated being in the Tacoma, felt cheap and just uncomfortable. Hated how it downshifted to 4th to just get over an overpass on the highway.
xDarknal@reddit
The Tacoma bros would be furious if they could understand how nice some other trucks can be.
arcticrobot@reddit
Nah. I often travel for business and rent semi-nice crossovers like Q3, Q5, Genesis, Cadillacs(whatever rental has available in that category) Still happy to be back in my 3rd gen manual Taco that feels like a farming equipment after these vehicles.
Assassin4Hire13@reddit
This is me. Yes, other cars and trucks are nicer, however my Tacoma being a tractor is what made me fall in love with it. I like the way this truck sucks ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
dovahbe4r@reddit
I concur that the third gen Frontier feels like what the 4th gen Tacoma should've been. Spent a lot of time behind a 3rd gen 6spd Tacoma, drove both of the new offerings and ended up in a lightly used Frontier. It really is just a nicer, newer 3rd gen Taco. Would be cool if I could get it with a stick but whatever. 95k miles on it now and zero major complaints.
Ultimately the next 5-10 years or so will tell us if these are good trucks as they continue to age, but it's a VQ in a BOF pickup. Both things Nissan has had down-pat for decades.
trackdaybruh@reddit
Not going to lie, I dislike how torque-less the NA V6 engine feels in mid-size trucks especially when I'm towing things from a stop. The peak torque is meh and even then it doesn't kick in until it's in the higher RPM.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
You don't trust Nissan longevity? Their trucks are some of the most reliable ones you can buy lmao, Nissan longevity is every bit as good as Toyota in their trucks.
Sonar_Bandit@reddit
Frontiers are reliable as hell. Nissians issues were with their cvts on some of their cars, years ago. Anyway, you’re posting that you don’t trust Nissian reliability in a thread about Toyota recalling hundreds of thousands of exploding engines
Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit
yea but i'm asking about Frontiers vs Tacomas, nothing to do with Tundras at all. You're in a different conversation than OPs now lol
spongebob_meth@reddit
Nissan trucks have never had a longevity problem. It's silly to put Toyota on a pedestal over a frontier.
spongebob_meth@reddit
No manual transmission or else I'd have bought one.
I havent seen any issues with the 4th gen Tacoma pop up yet thankfully
m0viestar@reddit
Lots of issues with the 4th Gen Tacoma. TFL had their transfer case imploded on an off-road test and that wasn't an isolated incident. Shock top hats are also disintegrating off-road and the transmission isn't great.
Their rear brake recall affected 100k units that forced a stop sale. You must not have good vision if you think the Taco has no issues.
spongebob_meth@reddit
The engine doesn't have issues. They offer a 6 speed which fixes the transmission problem you mentioned.
I actually haven't seen many shock top hat failures, but am aware of them. and never heard of the transfer cases grenading (the 4th gen uses the same tcase as the 3rd gen)
In a thread bashing the 4th gen for being turbod, it's hilarious your pile of problems doesn't have a single thing related to forced induction.
Or at least these problems are down out by the sea of people getting $6,000 repair quotes for their v6 Tacomas needing the coolant crossover pipe replaced or timing cover re-sealed. Seems like their steering racks don't last either. But "simple reliable v6" amirite
m0viestar@reddit
Saying they have an alternate transmission option doesn't negate the issue they have. It's still an issue.
Again dude, just because you haven't SEEN it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Your sample size 1, and they 275k units a year. It;s impossible for you to SEE all of the issues.
All you have to do is google '4th gen Racoma transfer case issues' and there's posts everywhere including multiple people who've gotten stuck off-roading
I'm not blaming forced induction for anything. All of my cars are forced induction. Where are you getting that? I never once said the Tacoma's motor is the cause of the problems. Your eyes must be pretty bad.
spongebob_meth@reddit
I literally googled that and all I found were a few people with failed shift modules. Hell, half of them were 3rd gens
I read the forums pretty frequently and I don't see the sky falling.
Why even buy a Tacoma if you want an automatic? The other trucks have better performance for less money.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Debatable better than a Tacoma V6 too, those VQ's are some mighty fine motors. My aunt's got 400k on her Pathfinder, Nissan made such a good design they have no reason to move on
willpc14@reddit
You do not want the 2GR back in the Tacoma
Noobasdfjkl@reddit
The 4 popper in the Taco/4Runner is totally fine
Shmokesshweed@reddit
iT wAs OnLy 100,000 tRuCKs aNd ThEy oWnEd uP tO iT.
Thank God I'm early. About to get some popcorn and read the Toyota bros chime in about how it's not that bad.
AwesomeBantha@reddit
All the Toyota bros I know are just skipping this generation entirely.
steakpienacho@reddit
Do they think it's going to miraculously get better from here?
AwesomeBantha@reddit
These recalls aren’t cheap for Toyota. I’m sure the cost for 250k engines swapped into trucks is in the ten figure range. So I’d hope that’s incentive enough for them to ensure that this doesn’t happen in the next powertrain, whatever it is.
The general sentiment isn’t “they’re definitely going to fix it next time”, it’s more like “I already have a reliable truck, no point getting a newer one with a likely unreliable powertrain”. Either Toyota learns their lesson and puts something better in the next one, or they don’t, and the people who bought Toyotas for their perceived reliability buy something else.
I am curious about how this engine will age - over time, people are going to figure out whether there’s a way to “bulletproof” the engine, or certain versions of it, and whether it’s worth doing. It could end up like the diesel Excursion, where you spend a few thousand at an indy mechanic replacing the most failure prone parts on the engine and end up with a very reliable vehicle, or it could end up like the E60 M5, where even if you mitigate the engine’s weaknesses, the rest of the vehicle is unreliable as hell so you’re just waiting until the next thing breaks.
Signal_Ball4634@reddit
I imagine it's just more clinging to their previous gen trucks and swooping up supply while they can before prices really start getting inflated on them. These new TNGA trucks and SUVs are really hit or miss even without the engines blowing up
KlaysTrapHouse@reddit
smoke 'em if you got 'em.
Bluecolt@reddit
I never had much interest in them anyways, but the Toyoglazer cult is so annoying I don't ever see myself owning one, in part, simply to not be associated with them. They have no chill while most brand fans roll with punches. Talk crap to a Jeep fan, they won't deny it, it's "a Jeep thing", talk crap to a BMW fan, they don't deny it and say the maintenance is worth the drive, so on and so forth for other brands. But say something less than flattering about Toyota and screeching ensues like you've seriously insulted their family lineage.
Da_Funk@reddit
I'm a huge fan of the 392 = owner's credit score jokes.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Yeah, it's insane. I talk more shit about the manufacturer who manufactured my vehicle than about every other one combined by a factor of 10.
hatchbacks@reddit
The fact that you’re being downvoted lmfao.
Toyota people can be insufferable sometimes.
Poignant_Rambling@reddit
Yep, my buddy's 2025 GX550 was having those same engine issues, but he wasn't part of the recall. The Lexus dealership he bought it from low balled him hard on the resale, so he had to go private. He thinks the dealership knew his engine has issues and didn't want to deal with it.
But he got nearly what he paid for it in a private sale, so it seems GX buyers aren't really concerned with reliability. If I owned a Tundra or GX, I'd be selling it yesterday lol.
Cozmo85@reddit
Why would a dealer turn down replacing an engine? It’s not like they are paying for it.
josephrehall@reddit
Not only that... They'll bill warranty, with generous markup on parts and labor, and dig for any other add-on repairs they can find while they are in there
2001em2@reddit
I've got one and I'm definitely nervous, but did anyone even read? This isn't an expansion to add more recent trucks. They added 44k more trucks from model year 2024 before the "machining incident" was identified. I'm not holding my breath, but I'm pretty close to Toyota techs and I haven't been hearing this mid 25 and newer so far.
josephrehall@reddit
I work in automotive OEM quality, reliability and supply chain, and can tell you that I'm flabbergasted by how poorly and slowly and indecisively Toyota has "determined" their break point or clean point. It's also wild how long it took them to figure this out.
This is a major systemic breakdown at the company that pioneered Kaizen and many other manufacturing efficiency and quality standards across the industry.
Thejeepwrangler@reddit
I would have this same sentiment (I have a Mazda3 so I wouldn’t give my last fuck about any truck) except for the fact that Ford has broken records with the amount of vehicle recalls they’ve had and Chevy is not far behind them. Toyota made a huge oops especially because they live on their rep for reliability but let’s not let feelings get in the way of facts, folks.
Jason_S_88@reddit
The thing is there are recalls and there are recalls. My 22 Ecoboost maverick has had like 6 recalls. But if I remember correctly every single one of them was just a software update. One for not detecting that a turn signal bulb is out, one for the back up camera locking up, another for something about the trailer indicator lights being flaky, one for not detecting that the battery is low, and I think one for the trailer braking controller having issues?
Sure they are all recalls, and it is obviously annoying that those didn't work from the beginning and Ford should do better. But I'll gladly take all of those recalls vs one recall for mechanical issues with the engine, transmission, suspension, frame, etc.
AndroidMyAndroid@reddit
In the spirit of not letting feelings get in the way of facts, Toyota owns the market for mid size trucks with the Tacoma (rep for reliability), sedans (Corolla, Camry), and are strong in most other markets they play in.
Ford and GM, on the other hand, own the full size truck market and they have a strong reputation for reliability in those areas - and the Tundra sells a fraction of what they do, even after 20+ years on the market. Toyota basically copied Fords homework with the current Tundra powertrains, and they still fucked it up.
FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit (OP)
Long before the Tesla cult existed, the Toyota cult was born.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Thing with the Tesla cult is its "just" former Prius owners & maybe a few 3-series type bros, they've contained themselves to the crossover crowd, plus like the 6 cybertrucks they sold
With the toyota cult you have the left lane efficiency econobox campers, the lc/sequoia/tacoma bros, IS500/Supra/chaser/86 gang, they got everybody & got them in volume
FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit (OP)
These people grew up jacking off to Consumer Reports instead of porn.
12ozSlug@reddit
For your information, it was either Car & Driver or Road & Track.
jdmb0y@reddit
This made me audibly laugh
guptini123@reddit
Is the chaser still in production? U forgot about the 4Runner bros too smh they are huge, almost a separate league from the lc/sequoia/tacoma bros
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Chaser was replaced by the Verossa, then the Mark X (which combined that & the MkII), which isn't that far off what we get as the IS, throw the Altezza in there as well
cactus_cars@reddit
Fucking hilarious. Pretty darn spot on
This_Elk_1460@reddit
Where does the Jeep cult factor into this, and can someone please explain to me what the fuck's the deal with those damn ducks?!
timetravelerfrom2027@reddit
Nobody actually knows.
K_R_A_K_E_N_540@reddit
You clearly haven't experience the cult final boss... Porsche cult 🤣
mr_lab_rat@reddit
This happens to reputation good or bad. It’s based on old data and sometimes no longer applies to the new models.
Sonar_Bandit@reddit
Any time there is a brand that makes a toy for young men with no father figures to get attached to, there will be cults
dont_ama_73@reddit
You could put in Frod Bros, GM chuds, Dodge dudes in there as well. People will buy a truck, have a ton of issues, and go buy another telling themselves, at least its not the other brand.
Ghost17088@reddit
I generally love my Toyotas, but their latest generation of trucks have thoroughly shit the bed.
fireinthesky7@reddit
My parents bought a RAV4 two years ago based on all the hype around the model, and they've come to hate it.
Ghost17088@reddit
The 5th gen was honestly a miss. They had a lot of little issues, and a big issue with the HV cable on the hybrids. And for the price, they were not as well equipped as some of their peers.
bob202t@reddit
My 2018 RAV4 Platinum is probably coming with me to the grave. At 99k miles I’m on original rotors and a second set of pads. Other than fluids , filters and tires it’s retired zero maintenance.
Ghost17088@reddit
I call 99k miles and raise you 171k miles on my 2018 Adventure. Maintenance items only.
bob202t@reddit
My dad’s 2012 V6 rav4 was given to a relative when he moved. 268k and no problems. Second one he had over 250k they’re bulletproof
Shmokesshweed@reddit
They just don't offer anything exciting in their trucks for me in these latest gens.
Prices suck. Reliability sucks. What's left?
steakpienacho@reddit
And everything else already sucked. Ride quality, comfort, tech. The only reason to ever buy a Toyota truck was the reliability, so without that, I don't see a point in even considering them
PM_ME_A_Pic_@reddit
As a guy that bought the previous gen
Back window go down.
steakpienacho@reddit
That back window on the tundras and 4runners is cool
kyonkun_denwa@reddit
I think the Ravs were fine if you got the gas models. The hybrids had a high voltage cable issue where the cable would corrode at the connectors. My friend had that problem on his 2021, cost him $7k to fix out of warranty. He wasn't happy to say the least.
Ghost17088@reddit
They had roof leaks, some software issues, and a couple other minor things as well.
jivarie@reddit
Eff that - death gripping my 2015 Tacoma until it gives up the ghost. Toyota dropped the ball completely with the current gen Tundras and Tacoma’s.
arcticrobot@reddit
Are Tacomas bad also? I have 3rd gen 2016 and its solid. Don’t they have those torbo inline 4s on LC now and turbo v6 on Lexuses? Wondering how those cars are doing.
jivarie@reddit
I’d hold on to that truck. In my opinion, Toyota has diverged from some of the core principals that made the Tacoma and Tundra so good. Tech now being the priority over bomb proof reliability and build quality.
arcticrobot@reddit
Oh I am definitely holding on to it. Its paid off with only 50k on it(courtesy of covid and work from home)
jivarie@reddit
Heck yeah! My 2015 has 200k miles, it’s been absolutely rock solid. Putting some money back into this year to keep it up. Door trims are a little rough looking from being outside, replacing those this weekend. Updated the stereo to Car play a month ago. New steering wheel this weekend as well.
arcticrobot@reddit
If I drove it more often I would put car play too:)
Linus696@reddit
Hello sir, Toyota bro here. It truly isn’t that bad at all…. for second gen owners who experienced a bump in resale values lol.
The demand for the tested and tried V8 has increased ever since the 3rd Gen came out.
Now I’m not sure the same is to say for my 3rd gen Tacoma, but for folks who haul/tow, they’d rather trust the V8.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Resale is up, but ya won't sell it anyway. 😉
spongebob_meth@reddit
It's truly amazing all the bullshit that Toyota owners are willing to sweep under the rug
PubDefLakersGuy@reddit
It’s very very surprising. -Toyota bro
jhowlett@reddit
I mean, are we still buying this "debris" causing the issue? Now they are saying controls were put in place to address it, but apparently not good enough? Somehow they developed engines for decades without "debris" causing failed engines. Seems to me like a design flaw.
Not to mention the fact they haven't recalled hybrids, which would have 100% the same issues. They didn't because its a safety recall and the hybrids will roll in the event of engine seizure. It was stated in one of the original recall notices.
MortimerDongle@reddit
Toyota does seem to genuinely believe it's a debris issue, I've seen former Toyota engineers confirm that's what's being communicated internally as well.
That isn't to say that Toyota is correct, but they are apparently convinced that's what it is.
Waste-Following9594@reddit
Worth checking the build date before booking service. Toyota recalls often affect only a specific range.
Waste-Following9594@reddit
That is the kind of thing that makes used-truck shopping messier than it should be. If I were cross-shopping one, I would want the VIN and service history checked before getting too deep.
SirWatson344@reddit
I cannot imagine the hell Toyota technicians are going through right now replacing these engines under warranty.
sloth_jones@reddit
Need to hit up bmw again and put a b58 in that bad boy
dooit@reddit
I really regret not getting a Tundra before the generation switch but I am extremely grateful for my 2023 Tacoma. I'm torn between selling it and breaking even or keeping it forever.
aurules@reddit
Why are they still not recalling the Hybrids? Seems like a big F U to those customers
Hardware_Hank@reddit
it is, but its not a "safety" issue cause the electric motor can technically drive a short distance without the gas engine while the non hybrids are stuck.
Ive heard most Toyota dealerships will still help you though (most people should be within the warranty anyway)
jhowlett@reddit
This exactly, the first recall from Toyota said as much. I think it was more about the the fact the hybrid would "coast" if the engine locked up, VS locking up the wheels and potentially causing a bad wreck at speed.
Stu__Pidasso@reddit
You can't do anything more than a very slight acceleration with the hybrid battery only on the Tundra, and that's if you're on level ground. The engine failure will typically happen under load. It's a joke that hybrids aren't included at this point
Mimical@reddit
It is, it's literally the exact same engine under the hood. Unless they are legally mandated to start replacing there is no chance it's happening.
Wifite@reddit
How’s that going to work when I’m hauling a 10k lb trailer?
Hardware_Hank@reddit
Lmao it’s not, that’s just the excuse Toyota says for why they won’t recall them. As someone else pointed out it’s a dumb ploy to buy time cause they don’t have enough engines
elinyera@reddit
Toyota wouldn't even do a recall of it weren't a safety thing.
Occhrome@reddit
It just shows that Toyota doesn’t really care about their customers.
Captain-Crayg@reddit
The iforce? I spend way too much time in the LC board. And I have never seen any patterns with people reporting engine issues. It was the break noise which got fixed. And some folks have hvac issues.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Because they don't have engines for them.
m0viestar@reddit
They would still have to issue a recall even if parts aren't available. Ford does it all the time. I think I have 3 that all say parts aren't available .
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Some others are saying it's not considered a required safety recall because the tiny hybrid battery can still be used to get out of traffic if it fails. How true that is, I don't know.
trackdaybruh@reddit
Which hybrids are we talking about here?
KeepersDiary@reddit
As a Turbo car enjoyer I do not want any of my daily driver vehicles to have a turbo. I am going with a Frontier over the Taco because of the NA V6, and better price.
KetchupOnThaMeatHo@reddit
Would be more if they recalled the hybrid ones as well.
CannonWheels@reddit
my ‘24 f150 5.0/10 speed is horrible. the transmission is not fixed… im a car guy, ford specifically and never again. now you can’t even rely on the asian brands. im going to trade my truck on a few years old rav4 hybrid and just buy an OBS truck. looking long term it makes more sense to spend $18k on a clean OBS and 5.0 or 7.3 swap it and refresh suspension for something worth owning long term.
The-Musical-Fruit@reddit
Came to see all the “what aboutism” comments from Toyota simps….was not disappointed. 😆
UnusualLeadership408@reddit
250k trucks recalled sounds bad, but here's the thing - Toyota owned it. No finger-pointing, no dragging feet. That's expensive, but it's why people still trust the brand. The next gen engine will be better because of this.
FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit (OP)
And if you're on the side of the road in your $70,000 truck, you're on the side of the road in your $70,000 truck.
This shouldn't be happening. Brushing it off as being okay is drinking the kool-aid.
arcticrobot@reddit
So you are saying recalls and fixing issues are not ok? Because that is exactly what that commenter said.
pq11333@reddit
Maybe just maybe Toyota was known for reliability because unlike their competitors they just used the same drivetrain for 30 years.
arcticrobot@reddit
Yes, their update schedule was way slower than competitors and mostly gradual. Thats why they were always outdated vs the rest. This gen was probably the most radical upgrade with new engines across the range and they blew it
AverageGuy16@reddit
What sucks is this gen looks great on the interior and exterior, just the engine blows
spongebob_meth@reddit
This generation tundra is possibly the most gaudy and ugly truck ever made lol
arcticrobot@reddit
Agreed, too many people praise its looks in this thread and i just can’t unsee the horrendous grille.
ZaheerAlGhul@reddit
This gen would look better if it had the sequoia front fascia
peakdecline@reddit
Eh its more than that. There's also a growing and well known issue with the rear differential showing signs of excessive wear and premature death. See this video for instance, where The Car Care Nut shows how much debris was in his rear differential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SY14Rba0y4
The interior has also had some well known issues. Look up the driver side seat plastic cracking. This is extremely common.
They also had some other issues out the gate. The turbo wastegate failures was the first sign of issues. They had a recall for rear axle separation. They had a recall for the brake lines being worn and potentially causing a fire.
The interiors apparently start squeaking and rattling relatively quickly.
I say this all knowing that I actually really enjoyed the 2026 Tundra I took on a test drive a couple weeks ago. I also test drove a 2023 before and it had some issues (like poor rear suspension stability) that have been addressed. But this generation looks great, maybe even gives great initial impressions... but seems to have had some severe cost cutting that shows up longer term.
AverageGuy16@reddit
That’s such a downer to read. If I were to ever get a truck the tundra was my go to option, looks like that’s no longer the case.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
I have seen dozens of people on reddit recommend only Toyota trucks, then call these pieces of garbage reliable, "oh but it's a Toyota and they'll go 300k mile without needing any maintenance." You'd be lucky to get 30k miles out of one of these pieces of manufactured scrap metal lmao
HEAT-FS@reddit
All 3 of your cars are from the company that after a decade still hasn't figured out how to stop having 5.3L V8s die from lifter failures just rolling off the lot.
You shouldn't cast stones.
SwissMargiela@reddit
U mad lol
Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit
they did until this gen of Tundra.
the previous gen V8's had several examples of them getting to a million miles.
the new Tacos so far had one transmission hiccup that effected some but otherwise have been generally ok.
i'd still recommend the fuck out of Toyota trucks, just not the new Tundras lol.
freakymrq@reddit
I guess I'm a lucky one with 60k on mine lol
wardellwayneraymone@reddit
Those people are the last ones you should ever buy a car from after the first 150k
MuteElatedLips@reddit
I've got a 2011 Nissan Titan... Tennessee made... and it is, hands down, the best vehicle I've ever owned. Just hit the 300,000 milestone. I drive 1,000 miles a week and it doesn't leak or burn ANYTHING. I am religious about 5,000 mile oil changes. The only thing I've had to replace, other than consumables, was the front pinion seal. The guy I bought it from never used the 4wd... when I used it in a snowstorm, it started leaking the next day. I replaced it as soon as I got the part delivered, so like 5 days later, and it hasn't leaked since. I have to replace the a/c compressor, which will be here Saturday. But the first lasted 300k. The only downside to this truck is the 12mpg. Which is a biggie for some, but luckily, I don't pay for gas. My company does.
Occhrome@reddit
People keep buying these dam things. The tundra forum is full of delusional folks.
Ris4racing@reddit
used the lemon law here in California that passed last year where you don't need an attorney. Sold my car back to the dealer. It was 3 years old with 100,000 miles.
Jsmooove86@reddit
So damn glad I bought mine before they went to the new gen.
I’m at 120k and it’s been smooth.
KeepinItOneHunda@reddit
I'm at 83k miles on my 2023 hybrid. Should I be worried lol
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K_R_A_K_E_N_540@reddit
No over the air update? 🤣
Least_Confidence_225@reddit
The real winner of this recall? Used 5.7L V8 Tundras.
RoyalISF@reddit
Sheesh, just chalk this generation up as a L and back to the drawing board
Lower_Kick268@reddit
That's what they should do, now that the EPA regulations have been relaxed they can go back to a V8 too
charmanderSosa@reddit
There were no EPA regulations that made them go hybrid. Why do people act like that was a thing? Can you point to them?
Shmokesshweed@reddit
I'd say it's indirect. They need to hit certain mpg/emissions targets and hybridization, like turbos, help.
m0viestar@reddit
They didn't need to worry about corporate average fuel emissions (CAFE) because they sell a metric fuck ton of fuel efficient vehicles already. They could put a V12 in the Tundra and not face a penalty.
Southern_Wealth_3605@reddit
Yeah they should make it a v8 hybrid brown wagon miata in manuel…..
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Huh
Tuxedo_Muffin@reddit
The Hurricane I-6 seems to be the objectively best option in Dodge's lineup. So it's *possible to have it all, it seems (as far as engines go).
tropical_fusion@reddit
Objectively better? It’s without question the engine is less reliable and has way more complex parts. It has an EGR and Turbos.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
It also makes 420-500hp and is pretty reliable with good fuel efficiency
biggsteve81@reddit
The old V8 got 13 city 17 highway, the new one gets 17 city 22 highway, which is about a 25% improvement (saving over $1000/year in gas).
Lower_Kick268@reddit
From what I've read actual real world testing is pretty similar between the 2
SchnitzelTruck@reddit
The populace is too stupid to think of MPG improvements as a percentage rather than "4 is a small number"
Doorbell_First_Day@reddit
As if that will last long enough for a new gen design. We're rolling back in less than 2 years.
Compy222@reddit
The value of the late build 2Gs just went up yet again. Low mileage ones are already trading at near or at their new MSRP.
KingMario05@reddit
Toyota: "Reliability and dependability."
Also Toyota:
~~Still want a V6 TRD Camry tho~~
11shovel11@reddit
I've owned four Toyota trucks 3 Tacomas and one Tundra and they were all very good trucks There's no way I would buy a new Tundra now. I'm a subcontractor that works at a Toyota dealership every single time I go into the Service there's always one tundra with the whole cab off getting a new engine put in.
juuceboxx@reddit
Toyota needs to go back to the drawing board with the 3.5TT, they've been having issues with that motor for almost 10 years now. Just look at Lexus LS500 owners forums from 2017-2018 and you'll see discussion even back then about spun bearings and multiple engine replacements, and that's in a much less heavy-use application compared to the Tundra. There's something fundamentally wrong with the design of the engine, this is way beyond manufacturing issues at this point because not only is it North American plants that are having issues with the 3.5TT, even the Japanese made engines are spinning bearings too.
RogersTreasure@reddit
Just put the damn v8 in these trucks and SUVs and call it a day. Folks buying trucks don’t give a fuck about mpg
Diogenes256@reddit
Watch the tear down video. This is a bean counter motor.
countryboy4x4ing@reddit
They use to be reliable?
HomeOrificeSupplies@reddit
I’ve been a yota guy forever, but I don’t trust anything they’ve done in the last 5 years. I knew they would have some teething issues with the new turbo motors, but they’re shitting HARD. The article says they beefed up the #1 bearing to be most resistant to machining debris. What the actual fuck? How about clean your blocks? There should be ZERO debris. None. Zilch. Designing more shit to tolerate your crappy process is piss poor reaction to your root cause analysis.
sasquatch_melee@reddit
Time to throw in the towel on the v6 and go back to the V8.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Im amazed that the debris is free/loose enough to make it to the #1 bearing, but too difficult to remove with normal machining post processing.
Seems like there should be a jig for running high pressure oil through a machined block to completely remove the possibility of machining debris, or maybe the actual reason is burrs that turn into debris after some time.
KrazyCroat@reddit
Shitty PR for Toyota, no doubt. I assume this recall will fix the issue though now?
EloeOmoe@reddit
Maybe? I distinctly recall a year and a half ago them coming out and saying that the issue was due to a "contaminated" something or other during the build process resulting in machining debrief fowling up the engine block.
They said it was a manufacturing defect for certain vehicles made in a certain window. But here we are.
trickedx5@reddit
My dad has a 2025. Pray for us.
wardellwayneraymone@reddit
Toyota guys will pay one day for the damage they have done where a >200k mile, 25 year old car rusting sells for over 5 grand because “they know what they have”
testthrowawayzz@reddit
Good thing the Toyotas I am remotely interested in don't use that engine
dontbeslo@reddit
So they’re supposed to be reliable, the dealer network is horrible, and they give you less features for more money
sjprice21@reddit
Just wanted to attach my post from a few months ago, the V6 in the Tacoma same problem but Toyota refuses to help because I was just outside the 5 yr power train. Toyota customer support was awful too, will never touch that brand again. https://www.reddit.com/r/ToyotaTacoma/s/LymL8MGibb
Rigoxz14@reddit
Killing it!
CorrectCombination11@reddit
Headline is a bit sensationalist.
Blaze4G@reddit
That sucks. I think the tundra has been one of the best looking trucks the past 3 decades. I love the new design too but doubt I would ever get one.