My understanding is that if he had actually bothered with an FEL, the vast majority of what he was doing would have been above board.
Dude simply didn’t want to bother with the paperwork, even though that paperwork isn’t all that hard to deal with and saves you giant heaps of trouble.
Dude could also have made money if he actually followed the FEL requirements. Not a lot of places are actually in the business of making stuff from raw materials.
The paperwork isn't the issue, it's the storage magazine they make you have, and the zoning.
In most states it's not illegal to make and use explosives for personal use. Transporting, storing, and using them commercially is illegal.
The latter thing is what they've been getting YouTubers with. They consider posting videos commercial use of explosives. It's a somewhat weak argument legally. I don't know if anyone has really challenged it hard in court yet.
It is not illegal to make explosives so long as you do not store it nor transport it from the property. You have to make it and use it. This is how tannerite it legal.
Making bombs on the other hand is illegal without the right paperwork, but the feds didn't not find any bombs they just claimed he had everything he needed to make one.
Yep. Basically has to be made at time of use. Large enough ranches/farms might be fine, but if you're within some (large) distance of a public road, you need to abide by storage/licensing requirements regardless of the amount you're storing.
yeah he's obviously dealing with some acute mentally illness. when your internet science fair projects end up in the possession of mass-murdering terrorists, the feds are gonna come say "hi"
So before the fudds downvote, if you’re reloading you’re making explosives according to this same logic. They came from him and you don’t care, don’t be surprised when they come for you and your “arsenal of a hundred homemade bullets”
No, his math checks out. Ammo literally explodes. Without the barrel/chamber to contain and direct that explosion, ammo is a small explosive device. Break it down even further, and the primers of that ammo are also, even smaller explosives.
Schitzos on IG think it’s because he is pretty outspoken against Israel and that’s why he was targeted when in reality he was basically shining a light in the sky that said “ORDNANCE IS MANUFACTURED HERE”
Dugan Ashley. His original channel was halted about a decade ago due to health issues, but he's one of the OG guntubers. As far as I can tell a he's a genuinely good dude, never heard any controversy about him at all
This just shows how much society has changed. I remember kids would do dumb shit the videos were all over YT and no one got in any trouble. No one tried to do terrible shit with the info.
It’s like after Virginia tech everyone went fucking crazy. Always trying to hurt people and do bad stuff so the feds cracked down on everything.
Ehhhh explosives without a Type 7 SOT has been a no no for forever. If you want to point to a turning point in crack down and regulation of raw materials, imo it would be the Oklahoma City bombing.
Yes but they weren’t bringing the feds in to snag guys making glorified firecrackers. I remember my uncle getting his blasting license for a local quarry was nearly as simple as a 4473. Now they actually do some digging and an in depth interview etc.
Agree that things have changed. I will say tho, your example is a purchase of explosive, not manufacturing.
Im definitely not saying he deserves to be treated the way he is being treated. I also don’t know enough of the situation to stand on much of a opinion.
I think the turning point was Colombine. That was the first glorification of school shooters that I can recall. It's just a run away train going down hill so it's accelerating.
Uh im not sure anyone was posting stuff like that... Making explosives and their ingredients, especially high quality ones like PETN is and has always been frowned upon
Dude it was all over YT. Hmx hmtd petn tatp ammol and others. Basically everything you didn’t want a high schooler with access to a hardware store to see. I remember when they took the heating tablets off the shelves and the instant ice packs lmao.
It’s like the whole research chemical thing. You could get highly restricted stuff shipped directly to your door. No one would come knocking because it wasn’t really on the radar yet.
Now I never did anything with this info but it was out there for a long long time. Kind of like limewire
Hell one I remember watching was a guy using some liquid based agent to create shaped charges with everyday items, even a medicine bottle that punctured a thin piece of metal. (I don’t remember exactly because I was like fucking 12)
It was back when you could still find soft core porn and racist music on YT
Well the channel I was going to link as an example seems to be gone, so maybe the market isn't as open as it used to be lmao. But yeah there's still some here and there.
For those who don't know, or don't care to watch, this is entirely expected.
I love Dugan, but he was making videos teaching people how to make explosive compounds from farm supplies, and showing them working.
This is entirely an expected outcome. I don't agree with it, I think teaching that knowledge is covered by the first amendment. Same as distributing 3-D printed gun files, but the problem is he was actively making explosives without a license, and documenting it, it's absolutely no surprise the feds got him.
That’s what I was going to say, no experience with MS or this guy above, but I know very small diet changes/correction of deficiencies can be the difference in being absolutely miserable and feeling great for many people with certain illnesses. Not saying average Joe will feel 10x better than baseline after getting 75% more Vitamin C, but there are many cases like you describe.
TL;DR small changes can make huge improvements and reversing them can also really fuck you up if you're not careful.
I've been working with my wife for years on an exercise regimen that really works for her. She had terrible coaches growing up for tennis that destroyed her knees and didn't include any sort of lifting program to build the strength needed around the joint. Mix that with disk injury and she just refused to workout due to pain. I explained to her how building stronger muscles would help with her knee issues and even showed her the knees over toes guy. We'd worked on this bit by bit since 2019 to get her to the point she can do just about everything she could when younger albeit 80% speed and she wasn't waking up in excruciating pain at all when it used to be daily.
We'll she's kinda plataeued where she's at strengthwise as going heavier or for more reps starts to cause excessive pain and soreness and she made a comment about it to her highly opinionated but uneducated friends. They advised her to stop everything we'd worked on and do it their way because "you're gonna wreck your hormones and all those studies were on men. There's no studies on women." Like if there's no studies on women, that means your opinion is completely unsupported since there's no data. My wife tried a few of their suggestions and felt like complete shit working out and eventually went back to working out as we'd been doing. I had to explain to her that at some point you're going to hit the limits of what your body can handle. As someone who's lifted and worked out for 20+ years I'm not setting new PRs every week I've had to accept this is kind of where my limits are and learn to work on maintaining it versus letting it fade or pushing and ripping a muscle off bone like I've seen plenty of others do.
Diet is very powerful. There's a psychiatrist that is incorporating diet into his treatment of mental health patients, to great success. You can use diet to help manage epilepsy (that's where the ketogenic diet originated, treatment for epilepsy).
I remember him being in an InRangeTV video or two with Karl & Ian before disappearing.
Then people pointed out that Dugan was making weird videos and Karl deleted their collabs.
Of course, that could have also been because Ian was in the video, so who knows.
It is not illegal to make explosives so long as you do not store it nor transport it from the property. You have to max it and use it. This is how tannerite it legal.
Making bombs on the other hand is illegal without the right paperwork, but the feds didn't not find any bombs they just claimed he had everything he needed to make one.
wrong. manufacturing nickel aminoguanidine perchlorate (NAP), ethylene glycol dinitrate (EGDN), hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD), hexamine dinitrate (HDN), Research Department eXplosive (RDX), silver acetylide double salt (SADS), trinitroxylene (TNX or R-salt), trinitrotoluene (TNT), pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN), aminoguanidine bicarbonate, and ammonium nitrate/nitromethane (ANNM) without the requisite license is a direct violation of 18 U.S.C. § 842(a)(1). tannerite operated under a exemption due to its binary nature, and is for personal use. read more about it here: https://www.atf.gov/explosives/tools-services-explosives-industry/explosive-products-and-devices/binary-explosives
There's nothing special about tannerite, and the page you linked does not claim so either. The manufacture for personal use is not regulated federally. If you store, transport, or use an explosive commercially, then that has requirements, as the page you linked points out.
If we getting technical you might wanna look up how super broad ITAR is and what falls under it. Because I bet everyone that is into guns has accident violated that one.
You know they’ve been watching. Waiting for the one person to admit doing exactly what they did to nail him. Like they did with fps Russia. Couldn’t get him for the murder, but they found he was getting bho shipped to him and took the only chance they had
Some guy that tried to blow up a bunch of people but failed , I can’t remember who, got arrested and told the feds he learned how to make the explosives by watching his channel. That’s how they found him
"some guy" was the domestic terrorist who killed 14 people on Bourbon Street, and would have killed more if the explosives he made actually worked (making reliable explosives that detonate on command is much harder than renting a van and driving it into a crowd of people).
Yes I love Dugan. Yes I think shall not be infringed. But what he was doing seems to be pretty open and shut, and the ABCs have a clear example of terra who tried to use his vids to make boom booms.
pretty much same but hes also extremely corny and all his videos are "look at me shoot 100k i just bought while i film myself in solomo to look like a chad while i say a bunch of reddit humor onliners" or he just makes a video scrolling reddit and reading memes.
i know we are literally using reddit rn. but hes part of the reason the gun community is so corny now.
Guilty-External9856@reddit
Ms
WindstormMD@reddit
My understanding is that if he had actually bothered with an FEL, the vast majority of what he was doing would have been above board.
Dude simply didn’t want to bother with the paperwork, even though that paperwork isn’t all that hard to deal with and saves you giant heaps of trouble.
Dude could also have made money if he actually followed the FEL requirements. Not a lot of places are actually in the business of making stuff from raw materials.
Ghigs@reddit
The paperwork isn't the issue, it's the storage magazine they make you have, and the zoning.
In most states it's not illegal to make and use explosives for personal use. Transporting, storing, and using them commercially is illegal.
The latter thing is what they've been getting YouTubers with. They consider posting videos commercial use of explosives. It's a somewhat weak argument legally. I don't know if anyone has really challenged it hard in court yet.
wackadoodle4201@reddit
What do you mean its not illegal for personal use
JohnDLG@reddit
It is not illegal to make explosives so long as you do not store it nor transport it from the property. You have to make it and use it. This is how tannerite it legal.
Making bombs on the other hand is illegal without the right paperwork, but the feds didn't not find any bombs they just claimed he had everything he needed to make one.
HeadlessThompsonGunr@reddit
So if someone legally makes it at home it’s illegal to store it at home?
ceapaire@reddit
Yep. Basically has to be made at time of use. Large enough ranches/farms might be fine, but if you're within some (large) distance of a public road, you need to abide by storage/licensing requirements regardless of the amount you're storing.
HeadlessThompsonGunr@reddit
Damn I guess my afternoon plans to mix up some tannerite in my Philadelphia apartment are dashed.
OFFascist@reddit
Yes, you should use it after you make it and you cannot transport it off your property.
Technical-Ad-8159@reddit
This is correct. That’s why tannerite comes without being mixed. You mix it as a personal use explosive.
DesperatePowerGuy@reddit
yeah he's obviously dealing with some acute mentally illness. when your internet science fair projects end up in the possession of mass-murdering terrorists, the feds are gonna come say "hi"
NotJayKayPeeness@reddit
He went off the deep end over the last few years and I think wanted to flex amendments, regardless of what the consequences were.
Which is unfortunate because he has a family to go with his breakdown.
ShimmyShimmyYaw@reddit
So before the fudds downvote, if you’re reloading you’re making explosives according to this same logic. They came from him and you don’t care, don’t be surprised when they come for you and your “arsenal of a hundred homemade bullets”
1Crusty_Old_Man@reddit
Sorry, but you're wrong. Reloaders are NOT making explosives.
Preppinainteasy@reddit
No, his math checks out. Ammo literally explodes. Without the barrel/chamber to contain and direct that explosion, ammo is a small explosive device. Break it down even further, and the primers of that ammo are also, even smaller explosives.
DefendWaifuWithRaifu@reddit
Schitzos on IG think it’s because he is pretty outspoken against Israel and that’s why he was targeted when in reality he was basically shining a light in the sky that said “ORDNANCE IS MANUFACTURED HERE”
not-a-co-conspirator@reddit
Who is it?
sirbassist83@reddit
Dugan Ashley. His original channel was halted about a decade ago due to health issues, but he's one of the OG guntubers. As far as I can tell a he's a genuinely good dude, never heard any controversy about him at all
Good-Exam-1588@reddit
Last I saw he was making TATP in his garage and posting videos of him detonating it the feds don't mess around when it comes to that stuff.
Appropriate-Stop-959@reddit
This just shows how much society has changed. I remember kids would do dumb shit the videos were all over YT and no one got in any trouble. No one tried to do terrible shit with the info. It’s like after Virginia tech everyone went fucking crazy. Always trying to hurt people and do bad stuff so the feds cracked down on everything.
Scientific_Coatings@reddit
Ehhhh explosives without a Type 7 SOT has been a no no for forever. If you want to point to a turning point in crack down and regulation of raw materials, imo it would be the Oklahoma City bombing.
Appropriate-Stop-959@reddit
Yes but they weren’t bringing the feds in to snag guys making glorified firecrackers. I remember my uncle getting his blasting license for a local quarry was nearly as simple as a 4473. Now they actually do some digging and an in depth interview etc.
Scientific_Coatings@reddit
Agree that things have changed. I will say tho, your example is a purchase of explosive, not manufacturing.
Im definitely not saying he deserves to be treated the way he is being treated. I also don’t know enough of the situation to stand on much of a opinion.
Distinct_Arrival_445@reddit
I think the turning point was Colombine. That was the first glorification of school shooters that I can recall. It's just a run away train going down hill so it's accelerating.
mastercoder123@reddit
Uh im not sure anyone was posting stuff like that... Making explosives and their ingredients, especially high quality ones like PETN is and has always been frowned upon
Appropriate-Stop-959@reddit
Dude it was all over YT. Hmx hmtd petn tatp ammol and others. Basically everything you didn’t want a high schooler with access to a hardware store to see. I remember when they took the heating tablets off the shelves and the instant ice packs lmao.
It’s like the whole research chemical thing. You could get highly restricted stuff shipped directly to your door. No one would come knocking because it wasn’t really on the radar yet.
Now I never did anything with this info but it was out there for a long long time. Kind of like limewire
NotJayKayPeeness@reddit
Sure thing glowie with the generic Reddit name posting about a bunch of shit you hope other people with search.
Appropriate-Stop-959@reddit
Hell one I remember watching was a guy using some liquid based agent to create shaped charges with everyday items, even a medicine bottle that punctured a thin piece of metal. (I don’t remember exactly because I was like fucking 12)
It was back when you could still find soft core porn and racist music on YT
MetalMedley@reddit
You can absolutely still find racist music on youtube
NotJayKayPeeness@reddit
You guys are helping the fed fed.
Appropriate-Stop-959@reddit
Really? All the shit I’d use to rage bait on CoD was pulled once I hit high school. But then again I’m not out here looking for it anymore lmao.
MetalMedley@reddit
Well the channel I was going to link as an example seems to be gone, so maybe the market isn't as open as it used to be lmao. But yeah there's still some here and there.
vaginal_milk@reddit
And soft core porn too
AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit
For those who don't know, or don't care to watch, this is entirely expected.
I love Dugan, but he was making videos teaching people how to make explosive compounds from farm supplies, and showing them working.
This is entirely an expected outcome. I don't agree with it, I think teaching that knowledge is covered by the first amendment. Same as distributing 3-D printed gun files, but the problem is he was actively making explosives without a license, and documenting it, it's absolutely no surprise the feds got him.
Ghigs@reddit
I think anyone that has watched his new channel knew this was coming.
AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit
Unfortunately, yes. Some of his videos were showing how to make explosives from farm ingredients.
While I don't think that's illegal, it is absolutely unsurprising that the feds would be knocking on his door at some point.
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
Was he doing crazy shit? I’ll admit I didn’t know who he was until this happened.
Bartman383@reddit
He went off the crazy conspiracy theory deep end a while ago.
DocDerry@reddit
I was diagnosed in 2014 with MS. While I dont consider myself cured - my RRMS hasn't flared up in over 7 years. Its not a silver bullet cure.
Diet and exercise can do some amazing things to combat it. Vitamin D deficiency and stress seem the be the biggest triggers for an attack.
Tokarev490@reddit
That’s what I was going to say, no experience with MS or this guy above, but I know very small diet changes/correction of deficiencies can be the difference in being absolutely miserable and feeling great for many people with certain illnesses. Not saying average Joe will feel 10x better than baseline after getting 75% more Vitamin C, but there are many cases like you describe.
Distinct_Arrival_445@reddit
TL;DR small changes can make huge improvements and reversing them can also really fuck you up if you're not careful.
I've been working with my wife for years on an exercise regimen that really works for her. She had terrible coaches growing up for tennis that destroyed her knees and didn't include any sort of lifting program to build the strength needed around the joint. Mix that with disk injury and she just refused to workout due to pain. I explained to her how building stronger muscles would help with her knee issues and even showed her the knees over toes guy. We'd worked on this bit by bit since 2019 to get her to the point she can do just about everything she could when younger albeit 80% speed and she wasn't waking up in excruciating pain at all when it used to be daily.
We'll she's kinda plataeued where she's at strengthwise as going heavier or for more reps starts to cause excessive pain and soreness and she made a comment about it to her highly opinionated but uneducated friends. They advised her to stop everything we'd worked on and do it their way because "you're gonna wreck your hormones and all those studies were on men. There's no studies on women." Like if there's no studies on women, that means your opinion is completely unsupported since there's no data. My wife tried a few of their suggestions and felt like complete shit working out and eventually went back to working out as we'd been doing. I had to explain to her that at some point you're going to hit the limits of what your body can handle. As someone who's lifted and worked out for 20+ years I'm not setting new PRs every week I've had to accept this is kind of where my limits are and learn to work on maintaining it versus letting it fade or pushing and ripping a muscle off bone like I've seen plenty of others do.
Melkor7410@reddit
Diet is very powerful. There's a psychiatrist that is incorporating diet into his treatment of mental health patients, to great success. You can use diet to help manage epilepsy (that's where the ketogenic diet originated, treatment for epilepsy).
PickleNutella@reddit
I remember him being in an InRangeTV video or two with Karl & Ian before disappearing.
Then people pointed out that Dugan was making weird videos and Karl deleted their collabs.
Of course, that could have also been because Ian was in the video, so who knows.
free2game@reddit
Guy was making videos on how to build explosives and posting them online. That's really reGarded to do.
Had to resubmit this because of of a bad word
shatteringlass123@reddit
It’s freedom of speech, if you wanna use that information to do bad shit that’s on you.
Good-Exam-1588@reddit
Talking about making explosives is one thing but he was manufacturing and detonating them on camera without a license he was begging to be arrested.
ShimmyShimmyYaw@reddit
Is making explosives illegal without a license?
JohnDLG@reddit
Perfectly legal to do so.
DesperatePowerGuy@reddit
manufacturing explosives without a license is, in fact, very illegal.
JohnDLG@reddit
It is not illegal to make explosives so long as you do not store it nor transport it from the property. You have to max it and use it. This is how tannerite it legal.
Making bombs on the other hand is illegal without the right paperwork, but the feds didn't not find any bombs they just claimed he had everything he needed to make one.
DesperatePowerGuy@reddit
wrong. manufacturing nickel aminoguanidine perchlorate (NAP), ethylene glycol dinitrate (EGDN), hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD), hexamine dinitrate (HDN), Research Department eXplosive (RDX), silver acetylide double salt (SADS), trinitroxylene (TNX or R-salt), trinitrotoluene (TNT), pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN), aminoguanidine bicarbonate, and ammonium nitrate/nitromethane (ANNM) without the requisite license is a direct violation of 18 U.S.C. § 842(a)(1). tannerite operated under a exemption due to its binary nature, and is for personal use. read more about it here: https://www.atf.gov/explosives/tools-services-explosives-industry/explosive-products-and-devices/binary-explosives
Ghigs@reddit
There's nothing special about tannerite, and the page you linked does not claim so either. The manufacture for personal use is not regulated federally. If you store, transport, or use an explosive commercially, then that has requirements, as the page you linked points out.
shatteringlass123@reddit
If we getting technical you might wanna look up how super broad ITAR is and what falls under it. Because I bet everyone that is into guns has accident violated that one.
DesperatePowerGuy@reddit
lol i love the downvotes on this one.
free2game@reddit
Enjoy being a FREE MEN DON'T ASK PERMISSION guy when you're in prison dumbass.
olenamerikkalainen@reddit
If he's guilty, then every company selling binary is also guilty by providing instructions on how to make explosives.
Also every youtube video of someone using tannerite (unlicensed) and having paid advertisements is also guilty.
Ghigs@reddit
They have gone after people for this before. They consider videos commercial use.
ReactionAble7945@reddit
Hmm, isn't youtube making money showing people how to make explosives?
Matt1320@reddit
I'm surprised it took them so long to find his channel
snippysniper@reddit
You know they’ve been watching. Waiting for the one person to admit doing exactly what they did to nail him. Like they did with fps Russia. Couldn’t get him for the murder, but they found he was getting bho shipped to him and took the only chance they had
twobroke2play@reddit
Some guy that tried to blow up a bunch of people but failed , I can’t remember who, got arrested and told the feds he learned how to make the explosives by watching his channel. That’s how they found him
DesperatePowerGuy@reddit
"some guy" was the domestic terrorist who killed 14 people on Bourbon Street, and would have killed more if the explosives he made actually worked (making reliable explosives that detonate on command is much harder than renting a van and driving it into a crowd of people).
PickleNutella@reddit
You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride.
DesperatePowerGuy@reddit
he isn't gonna be the rap here
DesperatePowerGuy@reddit
he's cooked
NotJayKayPeeness@reddit
Yes I love Dugan. Yes I think shall not be infringed. But what he was doing seems to be pretty open and shut, and the ABCs have a clear example of terra who tried to use his vids to make boom booms.
UserRemoved@reddit
Fuck the fed!!!
Coeruleus_@reddit
Sounds like he deserved it just from reading the comments. Let him rot.
LowPolyHorse@reddit
i open my reddit feed for the first time in weeks and see brandon herrera. day ruined
cenciazealot@reddit
I used to like him until he got into politics. I just don't buy that he got into into it just out of principle and to defend gun rights.
LowPolyHorse@reddit
pretty much same but hes also extremely corny and all his videos are "look at me shoot 100k i just bought while i film myself in solomo to look like a chad while i say a bunch of reddit humor onliners" or he just makes a video scrolling reddit and reading memes.
i know we are literally using reddit rn. but hes part of the reason the gun community is so corny now.
cenciazealot@reddit
Agreed, I never watch him anymore, I feel the videos he puts out have nothing interesting.
codifier@reddit
I still get feels I dont understand. Like pop-pop, like chop-chop.
Free Dugan!