"They were actually stopped, per witnesses... the pickup truck was traveling at an extreme high rate of speed, lost control, ran them both over,”

Posted by zedodee@reddit | ebikes | View on Reddit | 22 comments

"They were actually stopped, per witnesses. They were stopped at the stop sign when the pickup truck was traveling at an extreme high rate of speed, lost control, ran them both over,” Angie Monroe, a public information officer with CHP East Sacramento, said."

Kinda sad that it is qualified in the way it is. These two were murdered and because of the way the laws work, it's still about them riding ebikes.

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unseenmover@reddit

sounds like it was intentional, fueled by booze...

kid should do some serious time..

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cheweychewchew@reddit

Oh those evil e-bikes! Good thing CA is destroying the industry to protect people from being hurt, huh? I mean who wants to buy an ebike that goes slower than a regular bike?

Those cars and trucks tho.....definitely not the problem.

I wonder how that bicyclist who got her leg ripped off by a cement truck while waiting at a stop sign last month in SF is doing?

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Shiney_Metal_Ass@reddit

Speed is already a rate. "rate of speed" is redundant

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SexiestPanda@reddit

They’ll get less punishment than these parents: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/oc-father-faces-child-endangerment-charges-after-teens-60-mph-e-bike-crash-da/3857149/

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MorgulKnifeFight@reddit

Violent crime rate has been declining since the 90’s. Trump can’t take the credit. Of course he will try and his people will go right along with it.

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DeepWoodsian@reddit

2 e-bike riders fatally struck while at stop sign in Northern California.

That’s the headline of the article you linked.

Define murder.

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MeximeltExtraCheese@reddit

Before this article, the story was posted with a headline like: “teens killed while riding e-bikes” implying it was another bunch of unruly kids at fault

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DeepWoodsian@reddit

Define murder.

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Sorry-Committee2069@reddit

I don't think that was their point, they were mentioning the alternate headlines for them, as you implied there was an issue with this one.

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Evening-Cat-7546@reddit

What was OP’s point then? They said the 2 people who died were murdered and then implied that the truck driver isn’t being charged with murder because the victims were riding e-bikes. I interpreted that to mean that OP thinks law enforcement is giving the truck driver a slap on the wrist because of all the e-bike hate, but in reality, the truck driver is going to be charged with the same crime they would have been charged with if the victims were pedestrians.

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Sorry-Committee2069@reddit

OP didn't reply to you, the other person did. I think you're confused on what's going on here...

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Evening-Cat-7546@reddit

I’ll take the L. I thought you were saying the OP’s comment wasn’t saying they’re claiming murder and leniency.

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Evening-Cat-7546@reddit

It’s not murder unless the truck driver was intending to hit and kill the e-bike riders. The article says the e-bike riders and truck driver knew each other and were hanging out somewhere in the area drinking before the accident. Based on the article, it sounds like vehicular manslaughter x 2.

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CBrinson@reddit

Either intent or reckless disregard for human life. It is not actually required to intend. Extreme recklessness or depraved heart. Then there is the felony murder rule where if you were commiting another felony and someone died it is murder even without intent. It is unclear if any of these apply here but they could depending the circumstances. Very little information on this article to say one way or another.

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Dook23@reddit

While you are correct on several points, the reckless disregard for human life factor doesn't come into play unless the person had at least malicious intent, that's how the depraved heart idea is included.

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Singnedupforthis@reddit

Driving a motor vehicle while drunk at high speeds is showing malicious intent.

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CBrinson@reddit

It is not that straightforward. There are things like th Watson admonition they could come into play.

No one has enough information based on this article to say with any certainty.

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