Ryzen 7 5800X3D AM4 10th Anniversary Edition surfaces online for $310 — return of iconic gaming CPU for budget builders seems imminent
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p71interceptor@reddit
I have a 5800 non 3d. Is that a decent upgrade still?
FreddyRoosevelt@reddit
I have the 5800x and debating this myself but I think I will go for it if I can get my hands on the x3d anniversary when it drops. I plan on staying on am4 for a long time and I use my PC for gaming almost exclusively. And I could always recoup some of the loss by selling my used CPU.
nosurprisespls@reddit
I have a 5800x and looked at this many times, and the answer is basically "no", unless you're playing games at 1080p with 5070Ti. You do get better 1% lows, but I don't think it's worth it unless I can "upgrade" for $100.
OleElGrande@reddit
I built a Ryzen 7 3700x in 2019.
I've just upgraded everything else - 16gb to 32gb RAM, 2060 to 7900xtx, new PSU.
Patiently waiting on this to release!
Heavy_Abroad_8074@reddit
worth it to buy this and sell my 5900x? i don’t need it, but it would probably keep me to the end of the decade before needing to upgrade CPU/RAM/mobo again.
Uptons_BJs@reddit
This is really just if you have an old AM4 board lying around right? or if you are upgrading from say, a 5600x or something?
Otherwise, if you're starting a clean sheet build, I can't see a world where $310 for a 5800x3d is a good deal.
DM725@reddit
This is for maxing out your AM4 platform because DDR5 is crazy overpriced.
Ill-Mastodon-8692@reddit
sell your am4 and ddr4 for good resale right now, there a many good deals on 9700x/b850/32gb ddr5.
no good reason to pay into an aging am4 platform with no upgrade path.
am5 will get zen 6 and 7 and refreshes in the early 2030s
Kevin_Xland@reddit
That's what I'm debating tbh, I have a 5600, 64gb ddr4 and 5070 ti.
So right now definitely CPU bottlenecked, could probably sell the CPU/mobo/32gb for like $250-$300 after fees and buy the microcenter 7800x3d+32gb combo for $599.
So either $300 to upgrade my CPU or $300 to fully migrate to AM5.
Could also put my old 6700xt in there and sell it as a full system, jeezum apparently those are going for $280 on eBay, I paid like $335 4 years ago. I'd need a new case if I did that though, which isn't the end of the world.
Ill-Mastodon-8692@reddit
could also repurpose, I made my 5950x/x570 systems into unraid servers
venfare64@reddit
If you live nearby microcenter that's possible, majority of the world probably gonna find just buying the "new" Ryzen 7 5800X3D cheaper than buying 9700x/b850/32gb ddr5 Together.
Zeroth-unit@reddit
Yup. Am in South East Asia and moving over to AM5 is easily double the cost of AM4 in RAM alone. The CPU and MoBo combo isn't that bad price-wise but it's really the RAM that makes it not viable.
PsychoNerd91@reddit
Yea, Australia here. Just checked what a whole upgrade would set me back and it's about $1200au for just the CPU, ram, and itx mobo.
I don't feel so in need to go crazy with my system right now anyway. I just want a new CPU to replace my 3600. I can go for a 5600gt for about $200, or I can wait on the price for this to make my final decision.
venfare64@reddit
Not to mention the state of the second market where you have difficult to sell your stuff for decent price while everyone selling used at mostly outrageous price. And not everyone could sell their stuff easily.
Ill-Mastodon-8692@reddit
nah, live in canada, there are deals too.
selling the am4/ddr4 will recover a good chunk of the cost and give you a platform good until the early 2030s
Delubyo06@reddit
I saw that $800Cad in New egg. I was tempted. Sell the 9600x then buy 9800x3d
PlankWithManyNailsIn@reddit
At the resolutions and settings people actualy play games at a 3600x is still GPU limited, there is no sane reason to sell everything to be in the exact same situation.
If you are on a 3600 you are better off buying a better GPU than upgrading CPU/Mobo and RAM.
KatiushK@reddit
Best decision in a long time was getting a 5800X3D a while back to really drag AM4 the longest I can.
I'm getting allllll the juice from this build lol
DM725@reddit
Then move to playing at 4K 144hz and you won't have to do anything other than buy a 4K capable GPU.
KatiushK@reddit
Nah, I'm already stretching it playing at 1440p / 27' for competitive tac fps. It's still manageable, but I guess 4k would really fuck up my "game".
Also, the budget for a monitor + a GPU is WILD
DM725@reddit
CPU usage goes down at 4K. GPU is the important component. At 4K a 5800X3D with a 5090 will have the same performance as a 9800X3D with a 5090.
KatiushK@reddit
Ho yeah I know, maybe I wasn't clear enough.
For competitive FPS, if you're tryharding, you mostly want the highest FPS possible. People usually play on the lowest "playable" resolution (1080p) with most graphics disabled.
I'm already compromising on the "cutting edge" competitively by playing 1440p native.
From my understanding, 4k native is trash if you're a FPS sweat.
DM725@reddit
If you're playing CS/Valorant on a 240hz monitor then yea.
I have no issues at 4K 144hz in competitive no games but I don't play the head clicking games.
KatiushK@reddit
Yeah, I'm deep into CS & Valorant both so I'm kinda riding the 1440p train. I'm afraid 4k gonna be way harder for "no reason".
Can't justify the cost for the moment.
Maybe one day I'll have a 4K display for the few single player / chill games I play. But they're like, 20% of my gaming time so not worth it so far.
jolsiphur@reddit
This is the only reason I'm interest in this myself. I am on a 5600 and upgrading to AM5 would be far more expensive than I want right now. I refuse to pay current prices for RAM, even though I can generally afford it.
nametaken_thisonetoo@reddit
Go back and check some of the old reviews. The difference in gaming performance been the 5950X and 5800X3D isn't that much. The 5950X will last a hell of a lot longer on AM4 in all workloads, not just gaming. The thing is still a beast
Zeroth-unit@reddit
I'm still on a 3600 and been itching for an upgrade but missed the boat on both the original 5800X3D and the 5700X3D so I'm hoping I can finally snag one this time around.
amanguupta53@reddit
Same but I have a 4650pro (90% equivalent to 3600 in gaming) and I was tracking the prices for 5800x3D to buy when I have the funds when suddenly it wasn’t available anywhere.
shroudedwolf51@reddit
If you're willing to deal with used, keep an eye out on used 5700X3D parts once this releases. The difference in clock speed feels like it'd be significant, but the way most games work, you aren't really going to experience a noteworthy difference in how it'll feel to play.
Jon_TWR@reddit
5600x is solid, but the 5800x3d would be a significant upgrade...I went from my 5600x to a 5700x3d when it was like $130 on AliExpress with all shipping, taxes, etc included. Well worth it. A 5800x3d for $310 is a solid upgrade still.
WingedGundark@reddit
5800x3d is ridicilously good CPU and can still hold its own in gaming and all but the heaviest task that benefit from high core count. I went from 3900x to 5800x3d, I don’t know, perhaps three years ago and it was a huge jump for games and really didn’t notice much adverse effects after losing four cores in other workloads.
I have it paired with 5070ti and I can’t complain. It is crazy to think that the mobo (MSI MEG X570 ACE) and memory are around 6 years old, I bought them in 2020. Mobo was some summer deal and I got the 3900x a little bit later in autumn. With 5800x3d AM4 is still very competitive.
BioshockEnthusiast@reddit
My 2600X upgrade to a 5800X3D a few years ago was a wild leap in performance.
ariolander@reddit
I went from a 1700, 2600, 3600 and finally to a 5800X3D all on the same motherboard. I only paid for the 5800X3D. My build started of as handmedown spare parts from my brother's AM4 upgrades and capping it off with a 5800X3D was a major upgrade and I feel no need to even think about AM5 ATM.
BioshockEnthusiast@reddit
I'm not even considering being an AM6 early adopter at this point. I can run what I need to run and there's zero sign of that changing considering the next gen console delays and general hardware shortage.
Bitter-Plenty-5303@reddit
Same
PsychoNerd91@reddit
I'm still running a 3600, and was thinking of getting a 5600gt. But if this is a fair price I'll probably get this.
I missed the boat last year to upgrade when prices were fair.
Ghepip@reddit
Agreed, and I will 100% consider buying a 5800x3d - it will be a close to 30% MORE CPU power for me and help clear my current bottleneck on my pc. And still be 300-500$ cheaper as I won't have to buy a new motherboard+ddr5
Seamus-Archer@reddit
It’s for people like me still running a 3600 that want an in socket upgrade so I don’t have to buy DDR5.
RevolutionaryWar8150@reddit
I went from a 3800x to a 5800x3d and the boost was notable. You will like the upgrade.
amanguupta53@reddit
Still better than taking a 15 hr flight - because that’s how far the nearest microcenter is for me.
TheFamousChrisA@reddit
No Mc’s near me unless I want to drive 2.5+ hours to the two in Chicago. Frustrating MC still hates Wisconsin.
Seamus-Archer@reddit
Same, my nearest is almost 4 hours away. Living in a medium sized city has its downsides.
Wrx-Love80@reddit
Microcenter for me is an hour away. Absolutely worth the drive if you consider that you may end up locking in one of their bundles. An AM5 bundle for full motherboard, 32GB RAM and a 7800X3D would set you around $600 all said and done.
iAppearMissing3@reddit
Worth the drive
AlkalineBrush20@reddit
A 5700X3D is 420$ from china, this is a much better deal if it really is only 310$. I have a 5600 with 32GB of memory, a platform swap would cost a lot more with current memory pricing alone.
theRealtechnofuzz@reddit
You can usually find 32gb of ddr4 used for reasonable prices. Cant really say the same thing about ddr5 being over $300. If you can get a microcenter deal on am5 then yes skip this. If you're on a 3700x, 2600x, 5600, or any am4 platform, this is for you for sure. The $299 7500x3d bundle makes this look silly. If you live in anpther country or nowhere near a microcenter, this might be a worthy upgrade.
ColsonThePCmechanic@reddit
Is it a meaningful upgrade over a 5600? Asking for a friend.
dmags19@reddit
For gaming, yes. Played around with the forza benchmark last night and my 5600x is bottlenecking my 5080 pretty significantly (20-30%) at 4k maxed settings with frame gen. I've been sitting on the parts for a new am5 build since last summer and this is the inspiration to finally get it up and running this week..
Seanspeed@reddit
I'd say most people who have spent over $1000 on a GPU recently probably aren't still cheaping out staying on AM4 with some old non-X3D processor.
dmags19@reddit
Totally agree. I was fortunate enough to pick it up near launch at original MSRP but online had me convinced that at 4k the 5600x wouldn't be a bottleneck, this is honestly the first time I've really noticed it outside of the 1% lows.
TK3600@reddit
Decent improvement of gaming fps stability, drastic improvement in some titles like Paradox games.
timorous1234567890@reddit
It really depends on the games. The AAA stuff is in the 15-20% region when not GPU bound but there are plenty of titles that get tested far less often where the increase can be 40%+ and they often work on potato GPUs or the main performance metric is tic rate / turn time not FPS.
ColsonThePCmechanic@reddit
In my case I'm running with a 3080 and using 2560x1080 a lot.
babautz@reddit
Depends on then games your friend plays and the rest of your friends system
Wrx-Love80@reddit
It definitely can be a meaningful upgrade. This will essentially max out your platform on AM4 for gaming.
Seanspeed@reddit
About 15-20% more performance for $300?!
StrutsOnStruts@reddit
From 3600X to 5800X3D is more so a 31% uplift, at least according to TechPowerUp.
Seanspeed@reddit
Are you guys blind? I quoted the bit about the 5600.
Why are people upvoting you and downvoting me?
StrutsOnStruts@reddit
I agree that going from Zen3 to Zen3 is likely a waste.
However at the time of my reply, your comment quoting 5600 was showing up on my end as a reply to my comment about my friend with the X470/3600X build. I think it’s a bug with the Reddit mobile app.
Kotschcus_Domesticus@reddit
but from 5600 that gap is much smaller.
Seanspeed@reddit
Yea, but if you just pretend I'm talking about a different CPU, then my post was clearly wrong! smh
PssyGotWifi@reddit
That's the upgrade I did in 2023. Was a big uplift. I'm now waiting for AM6 with my 5800X3D and 9070XT. Can't recommend the 5800X3D enough.
Uptons_BJs@reddit
I mean, if you're starting a new build from scratch, I just checked Newegg and you can get a Core Ultra 5 250kf Plus for $199. The $110 price gap should cover most of the difference in cost between DDR4 and 5.
The 250kf should easily beat the 5800x3d in anything single threaded or productivity based, and it should beat it at least a little bit when it comes to
theRealtechnofuzz@reddit
this is actually a better point, i forgot intel existed. The new plus skus are probably a better option for sure.
StrutsOnStruts@reddit
For sure, if I was building my secondary PC over again I’d go 270K. Can’t wait to see what Nova Lake does. If it’s as good of an uplift as Arrow Lake Refresh it will force AMD to compete again as they’ve gotten pretty complacent as of late.
GraXXoR@reddit
Everyone’s getting complacent it seems. All the have to do to make more profit these days is jack the prices up.
fc_dean@reddit
True, but some people are obsessed with "X3D".
mrheosuper@reddit
AM4 would die faster if AM5 support DDR4.
StrutsOnStruts@reddit
Yep, I know a guy who this is perfect for. High end system with a nice X470 board, 64gb DDR4, and recently a 5070, but still on a 3600X.
$300 to bring that system into the modern era is pretty nice, especially when considering the same amount of DDR5 would come in at $650.
SirActionhaHAA@reddit
Yea this is for guys on the 1700x-3600x tier cpus. An upgrade guarantees a minimum 45+% gaming perf improvement over zen2, over 65% from zen1.
kikimaru024@reddit
Literally anyone on AM4 below 5900X, and even there it's worth if it's just a gaming machine.
Seanspeed@reddit
For $310, it's absolutely not a worthwhile leap for anybody else on Zen 3.
Terepin@reddit
It has a significant gain over 5800XT, so it is definitely with it.
anto2554@reddit
I don't think so. Do you desperately need the 10 fps, but not the next 10?
Terepin@reddit
What you think is irrelevant. Facts speak for themselves:
https://youtu.be/c7Au9Lb5Kw4?si=v_Pu1oUeItzhtTuC&t=702
Randolph__@reddit
The 5800X3D used to sell around that price pretty often even close to the end of it's run. Given prices right now it's a personal judgement call.
BespokeDebtor@reddit
My 5900X died and I had an old 5600G laying around luckily. I’m very glad that this is coming out
PolarizingKabal@reddit
The chip still holds it's own. And considering it was discontinued almost 2 years ago. It brings prices back in line.
I actually grabbed 1 shortly after they were discontinued for ~$400. Prices about double for a used one right now.
hackenclaw@reddit
5800X3D is basically tie to tie with Ryzen 7700 non-X only. Except the latter use DDR5.
Zen4 IPC upgrade is just that good.
According_Hyena_3593@reddit
The price is greedy as fuck but with ram prices it does extend the useful lifespan of am4 motherboards.
Going from a 3600 to this is a massive upgrade ( i did this back in the day).
But a 5800x3d is really mid these days and will still struggle in rt games due to cpu bottleneck. So 300 is a lot.
Its 3x better in minimum framerates than a shitty ryzen 3600 though, and does a lot better in all cpu bottlenecked games ( flight sim, open world stuff, mmos, st limited indie games like 7 days to die).
I wouldnt consider a 3600 a viable cpu anymore so this cpu is great for those stuck on am 4 and ddr 4
Dadbodsarereal@reddit
I am in this exact boat 5600x and they want over 300 USD. So for me in Canada that will be like 450. Yeah no dice. 200 or under then we talk
N0iR_0S@reddit
Well, there is a world (my country) where $310 would be considered the greatest deal ever for a brand new 5800X3D - here a used one starts at $484 if there is any. Anything else with DDR5 is pretty much out of the question with these prices lately (32GB DDR5 6000Mhz kit is at least $521 here).
HarithBK@reddit
An option is picking up a used AM4 system people are selling as a about to toss it out situation that has like a 2600. Bios update and now you can use the 5800X3D.
Seen some with 32gb pop up for like 100-150 bucks from time to time.
GearboxTheGrey@reddit
I will pick it up if I have the cash when it drops. I have a 5800x and missed the x3d last time. I dont plan on doing a board upgrade for a while with how prices have been so this will be the end game cpu for my am4.
Born2Rune@reddit
Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. Squeeze a few more years out.
avboden@reddit
I have a 5600X and a 5070TI and game at 1440p. I might consider it if the price is reasonable as I don't really feel any need for a full upgrade to net not that much more FPS anyways at 1440. Even so going from a 5600X to the X3d won't make that much of a difference overall.
Adventurous-Hand3942@reddit
I have a 5600x and 9070xt. A 5800x3d would be a game changer for me.
jorgesgk@reddit
I already got a 5500x3d. Does this make any sense?
sammothxc@reddit
“Old AM4 board” Bro no need to call me poor, I just built my AM4 rig for high end 1080p gaming last year lmao. I stuck a 5600x in it
Dragonkal8000@reddit
This will be cheaper in the states since the $310 includes an 18% goods and services tax in India.
Lincolns_Revenge@reddit
5600X / 5800X to 5800XD makes a lot of sense for a handful of popular games with a single core CPU bottleneck. MS Flight Sim 2020/2024, DCS World and Tarkov were the classic examples I know of. But there are many others.
Of course, if you are GPU limited, say an RTX 3060 equivalent or less it doesn't make much sense.
Mateorabi@reddit
I mean my mobo still has a 3700 but was advertised as being forward compatible with “upcoming” 5xxx and 7xxx. So this might be a good upgrade.
_Fibbles_@reddit
You might need to flash your BIOS first, but most AM4 boards should support this chip. Just check your motherboard's support page.
Blue-150@reddit
$250 at most
PssyGotWifi@reddit
Yeah. Though, saying that, I put together another AM4 build last year with a 5900XT. But that was because I already had 64GB of unbuffered DDR4 ECC sitting around, so it just made sense. I upgraded my 3600 to a 5800X3D in 2023, though, and it has been great. Not moving to AM5 anytime soon.
Burgergold@reddit
My kid pc is.my.mid 2019 pc with a 3600, 32gb ddr4 and a 580 8gb
That x3d might be bomb
TheFamousChrisA@reddit
Sadly, I bought a second hand 5800X3D on marketplace for $300 about a year ago last Winter, the thing wouldn’t boot with dual channel ram, only single channel.
So for me it would be a decent deal to finally get a 5800X3D NEW for basically the same price.
It should be cheaper, but AMD being greedy because they should’ve never stopped production on the 5800X3D to begin with
Also who knows if this thing will be in stock long enough to actually buy, knowing how parts have been lately.
I have a 9800X3D right now but if I didn’t I would’ve bought this instantly just to replace my 5800X. I may still buy one (waste of money I know) for my old PC the kids are using, or just to finally have one
Odd_Duty520@reddit
My 5600X just died this week and I got a 5600GT for $156
Bad timing is all but this is also twice the price at $310
Odd_Duty520@reddit
My 5600X just died earlier this week and I got a 5600GT for $156.
Bad timing is all but $310 is also quite abit to spend
SirActionhaHAA@reddit
This is for am4 people who are stuck on a 1700x-3600x tier cpus.
TheJohnnyFlash@reddit
A 5950X3D would be extremely nice in this market.
yabucek@reddit
I don't see who that's for tbh. "Absolute top performance from 5 years ago" isn't really a popular segment.
TheJohnnyFlash@reddit
The massive number of us still on AM4 because ram is silly?
fordry@reddit
Pretty sure it's been discussed that there are technical issues with pulling this off. Basically, it's not worth it.
ownedbyalchemist@reddit
Scam website. Paid for the processor and got ghosted right after. They are trying to impersonate another legit store by using the same name but a different contact number.
Nok1a_@reddit
Im thinking to buy this, as an update pc from i5 6600k cos I refuse to play the fake overpriced DDR5 ram scumbags like samsung with that inflated price, but it is sad that you can get the 7800x3d in Aliexpress cheaper
Jmich96@reddit
$310 seems a little steep for a two generation, 4+ year old, 7nm CPU. I can purchase a brand new 7800X3D for $350 at Microcenter.
$299 seems more fitting and way more appealing (even if it's only a $10 difference).
Gippy_@reddit
Now add in the mobo and DDR5.
Comparing it against the 7800X3D is stupid when this is purely an AM4 upgrade option for those who weren't able to get it the first time around.
Jmich96@reddit
???
The 7800X3D is the next generation X3D CPU of the same class. It's the most comparable CPU to the 5800X3D. Comparing to the 9800X3D would be stupid, and there was no 3800X3D.
Again, this is on TSMC's 7nm node. This would be illogical and purely greed.
Gippy_@reddit
No. The most comparable CPU is the 5800XT, or the 5900XT/5950X if you want to see how much the 5800X3D sacrifices in productivity.
Again, no one is buying this for a new build. This is for people still on AM4 who want an upgrade without breaking the bank. For those people, they are buying this, or a 5800XT, or a 5900XT because the 5950X has been discontinued, and anyone can OC the 5900XT 100MHz to make it a 5950X.
Jmich96@reddit
I currently own two AMD CPU PCs. One with a 7600X, the other with a 5800X. I would not be willing to spend $310+tax for a 5800X3D; it's too much, even to upgrade my existing AM4 build.
Everyone acts like RAM is disgustingly overpriced for consumers and impossible to buy. Microcenter is selling a bundle of 32GB 6000MT/s, R7 7800X3D, and a B650E motherboard for $599. Breakdown is:
$350 for CPU
Approx. $125 for RAM
Approx. $125 for motherboard
I just do not see the appeal of the 5800X3D at $310, unless you're desperate or can't afford the extra $250 for a new motherboard and RAM for an AM5 build. Coming from someone who could upgrade an AM4 build and has experienced AM5.
I still firmly believe it's too expensive for what it is; a 4 year old, 2 gen old, TSMC 7nm architecture CPU. I don't think my whopping $10 price difference idea is all that wild. $299.99 is far more appealing than $309.99. I could easily just come in here with an unrealistic expectation of AMD selling this for only $224.99, but I'm not.
Gippy_@reddit
Now add the AM5 mobo and DDR5.
This CPU is meant as an AM4 upgrade option for those who didn't get it the first time around. It could cost more than the 7800X3D and it would still be the better value for those people.
JustaRandoonreddit@reddit
I disagree.
16GB of DDR5 costs 180 US and that's either single channel which makes Zen 4 perform around 15% slower or 2 sticks of single rank which perform around 8% slower
32gb costs around 350 US.
A 3d-cacheless zen 4 cpu performs identically to an 5800x3d in dual channel and performs the same as a 5700x in single channel
JustaRandoonreddit@reddit
The thing you have to consider, there's a lot of people, let's call them joe.
Joe is on a Zen 2 and before CPU, an AM4 board, and 16 maybe 32gb of ram if they were feeling baller.
A 7500f is around 120 US and performs identically as a 5800x3d. a budget am5 board is a another 120. But RAM is expensive. The problem with DDR5 is that you need 2x16gb sticks because you either have to go single channel or get single rank dimms for around 180 US. Which also perform 15% and 8% percent slower respectively on AM5. Which at that point you might as well buy a 5700x. And if you want 32gb that's around 350 US which also kills the deal
42LSx@reddit
Perfect to pair with a probably $400 RTX3060, to have a brandnew 2022 PC 4 years later /s
Much_Transition6005@reddit
is this on sale yet? if yes, where?
Luxuriosa_Vayne@reddit
worth the upgrade for a 5600 + 3060 ti?
Seanspeed@reddit
God no. $310 for an extra 15-20% performance? :/
You're probably very GPU limited most of the time with that 3060Ti anyways.
timorous1234567890@reddit
Depends entirely on the games they play. Taking the geomean from places like HUB or TPU only tells part of the story.
Seanspeed@reddit
Anybody who plays games that benefit greatly from X3D would have likely upgraded to one well before now.
timorous1234567890@reddit
That depends on their budget and the level of dissatisfaction at their current hardware.
Entirely possible people held out for a future part and nothing has hit the sweet spot for them and now with ddr5 prices being so high suddenly something like this looks like a much better deal.
Seanspeed@reddit
Except the 7800X3D and 9800X3D were both good products, so there were 'future parts' that would deliver what they were looking for if they cared so much about X3D parts in the games they play.
Y'all are making excuses, but you know what I'm saying is rational.
$310 for a 15-20% improvement certainly isn't gonna hit some 'sweetspot' either, quite obviously.
timorous1234567890@reddit
There are many reasons why someone may have held off on an upgrade. Many still will even with this release, but some who held off will have had a change in circumstances or be into a new to them title that will see a big benefit and for them they might consider it a decent option given the other choices available.
I don't think $310 is some amazing must buy deal but I don't think it is a terrible deal either.
timorous1234567890@reddit
Depends what games you play, AAA stuff then probably not, sim stuff or grand strategy or MMOs and it is worth looking at benchmarks if they exist.
Dey_EatDaPooPoo@reddit
Not for $310. At $230, maybe. And even then, with a 3060 Ti it's only really gonna make a noticeable difference if you're already pretty CPU bound, for example if you play e-sports games at high FPS.
Stilgar314@reddit
If you also plan to upgrade your GPU, it makes sense. If you're playing to a higher res than 1080, a 5800X3D can be paired up to a 5080 without any noticeable bottleneck. Also, if your RAM is not the fastest, it would be less noticeable with a massive X3D cache.
Seanspeed@reddit
$310 for about another 15-20% performance seems extremely bad value to me. But lots of people are gonna get FOMO over this anyways. smh
Stilgar314@reddit
If you're still on AM4, and you haven't already got any X3D model, don't sleep on this one. From a price/performance perspective this is probably the most affordable upgrade that has real chances to get you to AM6 without feeling you're missing anything important performance wise. A 5800X3D is a perfect match for a 9070XT or a 5070Ti. If you play at higher res than 1080 even a 5080 will be OK.
EarlMarshal@reddit
5950X > 5800X3D
IIlIIlIIlIlIIlIIlIIl@reddit
For video editing and other such professional tasks, yes. Not for gaming though.
EarlMarshal@reddit
Runs fine for me on Arch though.
Got a 4k 240 Hz Screen with 10bit colours, HDR and VRR. 100+ FPS in most AAA Games. 240+ on most non-AAA.
The gain when jumping to AM5 not that big yet and the investment, especially in current time, is very disproportional. The gain of a 5800X3D is way too small.
jorgesgk@reddit
What about those of us who had already a 5500X3D?
Seanspeed@reddit
Do you want to pay $300 for two more cores? Come on now.
UpsetKoalaBear@reddit
This shit is gonna be gone in 20 seconds.
I have already accepted defeat.
ReaLx3m@reddit
Absolutely no loss for you. At that price you can get an equivalent performing AM5 CPU + a board. Sell the AM4 CPU/MB/RAM you have, and you have enough for DDR5 RAM.
constantlymat@reddit
What's the 5800X3D, around 7500f performance which is $120? Yeah, not a good deal.
shroudedwolf51@reddit
Hate to be that girl, but if you already have an AM4 board, this is an excellent upgrade path. Since while you can get an AM5 board for the cost difference, it will not for the difference in RAM costs. DDR4 is just that much cheaper. And if you can't afford a lot of that (or are still using slow old DDR4), the X3D cache can help offset the limitations. Granted, it's no 9800X3D, so it's less proficient. But, you know. How deep are your pockets?
Seanspeed@reddit
You're being downvoted, but you're 100% correct. Some of the posts here are insane.
WhoTheHeckKnowsWhy@reddit
lmao where do you get the courage to just post out your rear like that? more like 7800x in gaming.
Seanspeed@reddit
They are completely right. 5800X3D only matches entry level Zen 4.
Some people clearly have some seriously warped ideas of what the 5800X3D is obviously. smh
Cedar-and-Mist@reddit
It's much better for games like grand strategy or MMO, and significantly cheaper than a platform upgrade.
SirActionhaHAA@reddit
Price in india is tax inclusive.
ThankGodImBipolar@reddit
The 5700x3D went for 200CAD at one point in store, and I believe it was cheaper from Aliexpress too. The actual historical low for an 8 core Zen 3 x3D part is probably closer to 168...
frudi@reddit
5700X3D is not the 5800X3D, there is a significant clock speed and performance difference between the two.
shroudedwolf51@reddit
Honestly, if you can get a 5800X3D, go for it. But the way most games work, the difference between the 5700X3D and 5800X3D isn't significant. So, if both were available at their "been out for a while" prices, on a budget, the 5700X3D would be the preferable option. Since it's not that much slower, but its power limit also lets you get away with a cheaper cooler.
SirActionhaHAA@reddit
You're talkin about the street prices. This is official msrp we're talking about. Just as you could find a $170 listing on aliexpress, you probably can find this at much lower prices somewhere down the line too.
ReaLx3m@reddit
Ridiculous, only uninformed people would go for it. At that price($300) you can get an equivalent performing AM5 CPU + a Motherboard. Sell the AM4 CPU/MB/RAM you have, and you have enough for DDR5 RAM.
N7even@reddit
For a quick swap performance boost, it's still worth it, and is still faster than most AM5 CPUs at gaming.
Seanspeed@reddit
No, it's faster than almost ZERO AM5 CPU's in gaming.
Even a basic 7600 matches it overall.
timorous1234567890@reddit
Yea but the vast majority of those reviews are biased towards AAA games, many of which are no longer that popular.
For games people actually play on the regular like Civ 6, Football Manager, Path of Exile, D4, WoW, Dota, LoL, Paradox Grand Strategy, Factory builders, sim racers, flight sims, city builders etc there is a lack of decent benchmarks although the few we do have point to the X3D doing better in some of those titles than the 7600 or 9600 and for someone already on AM4 it is a lower price of entry to that performance tier.
This was the same discussion as was had when it 1st released and the options were to go with the 12700K with DDR4 instead for not a dissimilar amount of money for the CPU + Mobo (if you already had the ram) than it was to buy the 5800X3D. Well as it turns out 4 years later the 5800X3D is on par with the DDR5-7200 equipped 12900K and about 25% faster than the DDR4-3600 equipped 12900K so long term the 5800X3D was the play unless you wanted some productivity performance as well in which case Alderlake was a great do it all option.
Seanspeed@reddit
No they are biased towards a wide range of games. Aka *not* actually biased at all. That's the best way to test this.
Nowhere did the original comment make any stipulation about any of this, they just claimed it was 'faster for gaming', which it just isn't.
By the same reasoning, I could say Zen 4 parts are actually like 15% faster, simply because there's some games where there's no improvement because of X3D. That would of course be a dishonest claim, just like you're doing moving the goal posts to defend a false post.
Also, AAA games are and will continue to be popular. It's ridiculous to say otherwise. Heck, I love sim racing and strategy games and whatnot, but I also still like AAA games, too.
timorous1234567890@reddit
A wide range of games that lacks any ARPG representation entirely, it lacks MMOs almost entirely, it lacks flight sims almost entirely, it lacks factory building sims almost entirely, it lacks MOBAs entirely, it lacks RTS almost entirely. It is not like they don't test online games because online shooters get tested but other other online games, nah too difficult.
That is bias, especially when many of the games tested are no longer popular or played much. This is why the 'CPU don't matter at 4K' nonsense narrative exists, because these are the titles commonly tested.
That is not to say the AAA titles should not get tested because of course they should but in a 12-15 game suite there is room for current popular AAA games to cover the most relevant engines and APIs along with staple showcase games like CP2077 as well as other genres and game engines. Just drop the no longer relevant AAA titles to make space for some of the genres mentioned, especially for the titles that have long legs. This is something the German sites do tend to do better. PCGH and ComputerBase both have broader review suites and include more sim heavy titles as well as the current popular AAA games, just want the English speaking sites / channels to catch up.
Also there is no guarantee X3D will do well in all of these titles. Take Stellaris, it is great early to mid game but if you are playing on a huge map by late game performance is still bad because the cache is not enough and you end up having a lot of stuff in memory. You see the same in a lot of factory building sims too, great to begin with when cache can do the heavy lifting but as it grows and grows and you rely on memory more and more it normalises back to the non X3D performance give or take a bit. BeamNG is not a great X3D showcase either. So this is not an attempt to make X3D look even better than it is, but just an attempt to increase the breadth of what is tested so you can compare across more use cases.
TLDR. Current gaming CPU reviews focus too much on AAA titles and don't cover the full breadth of gaming, it is like if a productivity review suite was just 10 different 3d renderers and ignored other productivity apps and then people drew broad conclusions about productivity performance in from a narrow test suite.
JustaRandoonreddit@reddit
alright get me a 7600, + ram + board for 300 please
Seanspeed@reddit
What are you talking about? I'm simply correcting misinformation. Why are y'all getting so defensive over this?
ReaLx3m@reddit
Probably the easiest route to take, but i wouldnt call that worth it. It will still sell, but not to people that can turn on reasoning.
W0LFSTEN@reddit
Why are all your highly intelligent and logically conveyed comments getting downvoted bro 👀
GumshoosMerchant@reddit
It's good, but don't overhype it. On average even a regular Zen 4 CPU like a 7700X is still a bit faster
https://youtu.be/EZeiaK0T3Jk?si=owP1vk7cDXNyMpZ7&t=1387
W0LFSTEN@reddit
Maybe, just maybe, these “uninformed people” don’t want to go through all the work of buying a new CPU + motherboard + RAM, selling and shipping the old CPU + motherboard + RAM, just to get equivalent performance…
Seanspeed@reddit
On a better platform, which you'll then be able to get a much nicer upgrade later on with a swap-in. You're paying a bit more now for better performance and value down the road.
toofine@reddit
People are going to skip AM5 entirely.
Seanspeed@reddit
And then they're gonna run into the problem where AM6 on new DDR6 will be extremely expensive for a couple years. Plus concerns that AM6 will simply get delayed in general so that DDR6 supply can go almost exclusively to AI. So they're gonna be waiting quite a long time.
ReaLx3m@reddit
If you can swap your CPU, rest shouldnt be a problem for you. And theyre not just getting an equivalent performance, but also a path to future upgrades.
W0LFSTEN@reddit
Upgrading for no performance gain just so I can have the option to upgrade in the future (for a socket that is close to EOL) just seems silly to me. My time isn’t worth that. Maybe that’s just me.
JustaRandoonreddit@reddit
what'd he say
ReaLx3m@reddit
What do you mean for no performance gain? I knew you were a dimwit the moment you replied... Upgrading for the same performance gain you would get from upgrading to the 5800x3d
W0LFSTEN@reddit
You are the one that claimed the upgrade would yield “equivalent performance”. It’s weird that you took such personal offense in me summarizing that as “no performance gain” instead. Normal people don’t act like this.
W0LFSTEN@reddit
You are the one that said you’ll get “equivalent performance”
I’m so sorry you took personal offense when I said “no performance gain” instead of “equivalent performance”
But it’s not really my problem that you are emotionally deficient
StrutsOnStruts@reddit
Having recently sold an AM4 cpu/ram/mobo combo on marketplace, the hassle is worth some amount of the cost equivalency. The pool of buyers are illiterate at best, and malicious at worst, but in the end it was still worth it to upgrade to a nice AM5 setup for ~$300.
Ill-Mastodon-8692@reddit
you arent wrong. putting good money on old makes no sense. sell am4/ddr4. put that towards am5 bundles that are everywhere if watching.
have 5-7yrs of zen 6 and zen 7 upgrades to consider.
way more future facing, and honestly not much different in price
paying mid 300’s in USD for such an old cpu is crazy. even a simple 7700x beats it most games and is cheaper
PssyGotWifi@reddit
With a shitty motherboard, no thanks.
JustaRandoonreddit@reddit
How much does 32gb of dual channel ddr5 cost?
TurnOffAutoCorrect@reddit
More than whatever price this CPU ends up being at.
Stilgar314@reddit
For people building a rig from scratch, maybe. For people still rocking something like a 3800, this is a no-brainer.
Commercial_Layer_849@reddit
Thoughts on the upgrade from a ryzen 7 5700 with a rx 7600xt?
SavonJames@reddit
Hold off for now, depending on the game it could bottleneck if you went with the 5800X3D
Commercial_Layer_849@reddit
I typically play Bo7, Ark, Skyrim, Avatar etc but im asking because this game ive been wanting since its announcement Blood of the dawn walker is pre order and it set to release September. Im trying to fully immersed myself 😅 i want the best experience i can get without a full revamp of system hardware.
Seanspeed@reddit
Do not buy this. You're gonna be GPU limited like 99.9% of the time with a 7600XT.
venfare64@reddit
I don't know if you still replied, but if you have Ryzen 7 5700 without x you could upgrade to Ryzen 5 5600 for cheap as Ryzen 5 5600 is better at gaming than Ryzen 7 5700 without x.
Kotschcus_Domesticus@reddit
5700 without x? save for a new platform.
Seanspeed@reddit
With or without X, doesn't really matter.
They've got a 7600XT GPU as well.
Anybody on Zen 3 and doesn't have some modern high end GPU would be foolish to buy this if you care one bit about value.
venfare64@reddit
Actually 5700 without x is way worse than 5600 without x. Upgrading to 5600 without x still give some noticable performance uplift.
Kotschcus_Domesticus@reddit
Yeah I know. iz is 5700g without igpu and smaller cache. rest of the pc might questionable.
venfare64@reddit
If you still consider upgrading, you didn't need to mind the ram speed as X3D CPU is less reliant on RAM speed compared to non X3D CPU. I wonder what PC of your's that you considered questionable?
Kotschcus_Domesticus@reddit
dude, sweet spot for 5600-5700x is what 3200-3600Mhz? I mean same goes for 5800x3D. You will not pait it with DRR4 2400-2996, will you not. RAM speet is the least argument here. For 310 bucks it is a no go unless you have a very good DDR4 memory and AM4 motherboard and come from 5600. But still, 310 bucks. That is not a good deal. And dont get me started about scalpers or retailers. They will like you fleece every peny from you, mate.
bassgoonist@reddit
Unless you play a lot of factorio or stellaris or other games specifically benefit from the extra cache it doesn't make much sense
PssyGotWifi@reddit
In 2023 I upgraded my 3600 to a 5800X3D and it has been one of my most beloved upgrades. My wife has been using that 3600 since then. With this release, I'll be upgrading her PC to a 5800X3D. AM4 never dies, baby.
kikimaru024@reddit
I've literally had two AM4 motherboards die on me.
PssyGotWifi@reddit
Hopefully you'll learn how to handle mobos properly in the future
HyruleanKnight37@reddit
$310 is really steep for something that gets bested by <$200 modern CPUs.
JonWood007@reddit
Not when you gotta spend $100-150 on a motherboard and $200-400 on RAM.
Seanspeed@reddit
But that platform upgrade has other benefits for longevity.
Point is, it's still really steep and exploitative pricing.
JonWood007@reddit
Of course it is exploitative. Doesn't, especially it isnt a good deal though.
Also, platform upgrade, puhleese. That pricing is your am4 "future proof platform" at work. You think they're NOT gonndnout a premium on then top chip to upgrade to?
Its always hilarious people focus so much on "the platform" where they dont buy what makes sense in the now.
DangerousAd7295@reddit
Pointless for 5000 series users.
If you have a 5600x, 5700x or a 5800x non 3D, the performance improvement to go from that to the 3D is crap.
You are paying almost 2x or 3x the value of your current CPU for a small game specific one upgrade that might benefit from 3D V cache.
AMD should have improved the 5800X3D, gave it more IPCs and then called it a day but now you are essentially buying something a used 5700x or a 5800x has for almost 2x to 3x (depending on new or used) the price for barely 10 to 20% gains in specific games and it won't improve productivity performance in apps like Blender or CAD, or other productivity software
Used AM4 parts from trusted vendors is even cheaper.
Unless you are going from say a 1000s, 2000s and 3000s series to this 5800X3D then you are getting value.
But if you already on the 5000 series, it makes almost no sense.
This money is better off saved for the future upgrade.
Seanspeed@reddit
The fact that people like you keep getting downvoted for expressing such braindead common sense takes is wild. $300 for a very small performance upgrade over existing Zen 3 processor is absolutely fucking terrible value. Yet it sounds like many here are gonna be crawling over each other for the privilege to get exploited.
ketamarine@reddit
I love mine to death - nearly 5 years of maxed graphics on everything I have thrown at it with a 3080ti / 4080 super...
Seanspeed@reddit
Well yea.....
Ill-Mastodon-8692@reddit
5yrs ago sure. now… the money should be spent on a platform with a future.
am5 will be good until early 2030s
anyone considering buying the 5800x3d now should sell their am4/ddr4 and put that towards an am5 bundle
pantsyman@reddit
It's wild you people think the US is the whole world and everyone has a microcenter just around the corner...
aintgotnoclue117@reddit
310$ is not a good fucking deal for such an old chip. even if DDR5 is overpriced.
randomkidlol@reddit
retailers were clearing this out for <200USD at one point. unless this drops down to that level, i doubt this will sell.
Seanspeed@reddit
Oh it's going to sell. Just look how excited everybody here is over, eager to throw out $300 for a mild improvement. smh
FOMO is crazy these days.
kikimaru024@reddit
5800X3D was selling out at $450.
Doyoulike4@reddit
I don't remember seeing the 5800X3D ever hit sub-$200 outside ebay/aliexpress for a window and those listings were varying degrees of sketchy, the 5700X3D did hit as low as like $180-$190 for a brief window that I can recall, and that 5800XT got as low as like $130-$140 last year before prices went back up.
sitefall@reddit
Doesn't matter. People have spent the last 4 years talking about how amazing the 5800x3D is, and when it was discontinued how amazing it was, and once it was $400 on the used market how amazing it still is with the cost of ram.
People are going to buy this thing even if it wasn't a special anniversary collectors release even if it makes no sense.
cottonycloud@reddit
Unfortunately, just bought a 5900XT last year for about $230. I'll be upgrading to an X3D CPU in maybe 10 years lol.
TMToast@reddit
Stuck with a 3900x right now with a 3080, is this a good move for me? Been looking at these on eBay and they start at like $400 it's insane
RainyInSAndreas@reddit
It can use some more RT/PT games, but 5700X3D's performance against 9800X3D were pretty bad in the ones I tested. The 7000/9000 series would not be this bad.
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/1qwe11j/5700x3d_vs_9800x3d_benchmarks_in_high_cpuusage/
Samuel_Go@reddit
I can finally upgrade my 5700X3D I bought last year!
TheGeorgeForman@reddit
That throws a bit of a spanner in the works for me. Currently running a 3600x on an x570 board and a 3070 ti. Worth grabbing one of these and finding a good deal on a 9070xt or 5070ti?
Stilgar314@reddit
Do it, it a good move. That configuration should be plenty until there's a X3D CPU on AM6... or Intel comes up with something better than "cost effective for some productivity tasks"
TheGeorgeForman@reddit
Yeah think it’s the right move. Want to go for an sff build so if I can find a used matx or itx board that would be ideal.
Gippy_@reddit
The alternative is to sell a kidney to buy some DDR5 so go for it
intelminer@reddit
No, no. You want at least two sticks of RAM
Two kidney minimum
Tenelia@reddit
I've been on my 3600x forever. can someone that just built DDR5 please tell me what's the situation rn???
Kontrolgaming@reddit
dd4 32 gig of ram is about $450 atm, so just gotta wait it out like me !
Ippomasters@reddit
Nice I'll buy one for my nephew.
joe1134206@reddit
Nawwww hopefully it's $250
SD_haze@reddit
Nice, paid $250 for a used 5700X3D last year
The_EpicCenter_YT@reddit
I hope to god this is true because I think the memory controller on my base 5800x just recently gave out & this would be the perfect opportunity to max out my AM4 build
mgwair11@reddit
Bro, I bought this thing at its launch 4 years ago. I’m not that old /s
Real talk though. The cpu is gas, no lie. I would have gotten a 5800X at the time had the GPU shortages not been so rough in 2022. I strategically forbid myself from buying any parts for my build until I actually was able to get a GPU in my hands which took months—was a blessing disguise!
WTFAnimations@reddit
Wouldn't be surprised at all if it will be scalped to oblivion. However, given this thing isn't that far from a 7800X3D, $310 seems very reasonable.
GraXXoR@reddit
I have a 5900x primarily for gaming don’t think the uplift would be worthwhile in my case.
Though I could probably get a reasonable price on the 5900x
IANVS@reddit
Lol, what a price. If you're on DDR4, get an Intel board and a used 13600K for that money...
WhoTheHeckKnowsWhy@reddit
13600k needs a DDR5 mobo to touch a 5800X3D in gaming.
venfare64@reddit
Also used 13600K is basically getting unstable CPU that probably didn't worth hassle dealing with RMA.
AxzelG@reddit
Im upgrading from a 3700x 😂😂
Empty_Ad4423@reddit
been waiting for this being finally under dam 700 bucks that it is
now just gotta have it actually become available at that price
FeijoaMilkshake@reddit
5800X3D selling at the 7800x3d price, does it ship with wraith prism, otherwise it's crazy to choose it over the latter.
GenericUser1983@reddit
It makes some sense if you have an AM4 system with ample DDR4 already, easy drop in upgrade. For a new system you would probably be better off going AM5.
Ill-Mastodon-8692@reddit
even then, sell the am4/ddr4. lots of deals on am5 cpu/mobo/ram bundles
get 7yrs of upgrade path with zen6 and zen7
dustarma@reddit
Lots of deals in the US I guess, I can't find any such deals in Chile.
Ill-Mastodon-8692@reddit
I am sure they exist, even here in canada there are if watching around
GenericUser1983@reddit
Dealing with the hassle of selling used parts, especially with all the idiots and scammers out there, is not worth the effort for many people.
GenericUser1983@reddit
It makes sense if you have an existing AM4 system with ample amounts of DDR4 that you want to get one last upgrade for. Lots of people have 32 GB or more of DDR4, and 32 GB of DDR5 is now like $360 by itself.
Stilgar314@reddit
Unless you're still on AM4. If you sum up the prices of a new motherboard and DDR5 RAM, a 7800X3D doesn't look any good.
atape_1@reddit
If that is the actual price, first good on AMD, second they will be scalped in nanoseconds.
TheOnlyQueso@reddit
The price isn't good, I bought a 5700X3D off aliexpress for like $130 a couple years ago.
This costs almost as much as I paid for my 7700x with motherboard and RAM
atape_1@reddit
Dude... it's not 2024 anymore. Look around you, everything has stupid prices. This is an amazing prices in the current climate.
TheOnlyQueso@reddit
Ok, I'm not going to applaud AMD for scalping me though.
Seanspeed@reddit
Other than DDR5 and storage, this isn't at all true. We've had great deals on CPU's for quite a while now, in fact.
I bought a 9600X for £160 very recently. And I saw it go on sale further at like £140 a week later. Not from AliExpress, either. Just on Amazon.
NoU4206911@reddit
Used 5800x3d's sell for $350-400 all day long.
Seanspeed@reddit
Ok? Those prices are absurd.
NoU4206911@reddit
So is everything else.
Seanspeed@reddit
That's absolutely not at all the case.
bradislit@reddit
Yeah bud, I bought a bitcoin for $5 14 years ago and a gallon of gas for $1.50 5 years ago. You’re getting scammed if you’re paying more than that.
unknownuser404_@reddit
Boy if i could put my hands on this mf, i’ll stick to am4 until the release of am6
jgoldrb48@reddit
Im on 5950x and waiting for AM6.
Soggy-Airline@reddit
I currently have a 5900x... I mainly play big 4X Strategy Games like Stellaris, Total War Franchise, etc. and Battlefield 6. Do you guys think the 5800X3D is worth it?
BatteryPoweredFriend@reddit
Any X3D CPU will give a significant uplift vs a non-X3D Ryzen from the same generation in Stellaris. TW games as well, albeit not as much.
If you don't have any particular reason for needing the extra nT performance and lean much more in the direction of games like Stellaris, Factorio etc. instead of games like BF6 and other graphics-first type of games, then sure.
Ill-Mastodon-8692@reddit
no
EasyRhino75@reddit
Wow at 10 year socket anniversary though
Henrarzz@reddit
How many Intel sockets have been there since 2016?
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Hopefully they release another 10 year anniversary edition in 2032
lmpcpedz@reddit
I'm holding out for the 45th year anniversary edition!
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
It's a re release so it doesn't really affect the socket life at all
Vahuo89@reddit
It's important to note it's not the 10h anniversary of the cpu, but of the AM4 platform.
Cuz I'm still using it !
LuluButterFive@reddit
Folks, if you gpu is not at least an rtx 3080/4070 dont bother upgrading
midnightbandit-@reddit
The Intel 250K is $180 and is a far, far more compelling option.
mikeythegameronredit@reddit
I got OEM Ryzen 7 7800x3d for less than that
lasher7628@reddit
I bought a 5800x3D off Amazon around January 2024 for about $250.
TheFamousChrisA@reddit
I bought one off marketplace for $300 in winter of 2025, it was broken. So a new 5800X3D for $250-300 would be nice, tho AMD RMA’d me up to a 9800X3D.
Rius209@reddit
In a weird way i'm glad "old tech" get more wiggle room to be used, instead of a every year a new but not really groundbreaking tech kind of waste. Even though the reasons are diabolical.
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