The Mustang Dark Horse SC High equipment group package, costs more money than an entire brand new Ecoboost Mustang

Posted by caterham09@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 57 comments

The Dark Horse SC 970A high equipment group package costs $36,500 and includes the following

20x11.5 Carbon Fiber Rims
Carbon Ceramic Brakes
Special tuning for the Magneride system
Unique exterior badge color
Carbon Fiber rear wing
Adjustable top strut mounts
An Oil Catch Can
Manually Adjustable Recaro Sport Seats
A Flat Bottom steering wheel
Painted brake calipers
Rear Seat Delete

Compared to the Base price of a Ecoboost Mustang which is $35,330 after delivery and includes an entire Car.

Ignoring the fact that most of the high equipment package is stuff you would hope comes already included in the $110,000 base price, it's quite impressive we've reached the point on mustangs where option packages can rival the price of an entire vehicle. Yes carbon fiber components are expensive, and likely make up the bulk of the cost here, but it's worth mentioning that a mere 4 years ago, a very similar carbon fiber package for the GT500 cost a relatively paltry $18,500

https://shop.ford.com/configure/mustang/model/customize/ecoboostfastback?intcmp=vhp-seconnav-fbc

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RAM_AIR_IV@reddit

I still don't get who is buying this over a C8 GS/GSX or slightly used Z06

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lumpialarry@reddit

Guys that have always loved Mustangs have a net worth where they don't have to worry about cost.

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SnikySquirrel@reddit

Jesus Christ, that’s Porsche levels of upcharging.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Ford is trying to make the Mustang aspirational without making the platform itself good.

Coming from a former S550 GT Performance Pack owner.

The S650s game plan was just to cut costs and raise prices.

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erbot@reddit

The platform is objectively fine, but as you said they didnt improve it just cut costs.

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hurricanePopsicles@reddit

Custom color paint jobs from Porsche cost more than that

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Noobasdfjkl@reddit

How much do you think carbon wheels, carbon ceramic brakes, camber plates, recaros, a catch can, and all that aero should cost?

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babygirlmelissa@reddit

Ah yes, $36,500 for some carbon fiber and a rear seat delete. Because nothing says 'performance bargain' like paying the price of a second car just so I don't have to carry passengers.

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TomcatZ06@reddit

I mean, carbon wheels are crazy expensive. That's probably most of the cost.

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caterham09@reddit (OP)

Ford was asking $18,500 for a very similar carbon package on the gt500. It gave you the exposed carbon rims, and carbon fiber spoiler.

Big difference is with this car you get the carbon ceramic brakes. Though they are charging you $18000 for the privilege

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gumol@reddit

that sounds fair for carbon ceramic brakes

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caterham09@reddit (OP)

Chevrolet charges $17,500 for carbon ceramic brakes AND the carbon fiber wheels on the Z06 corvette. You're basically paying double for a similar package on the mustang

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Bobmcjoepants@reddit

It's not necessarily apples to apples though. It very likely is different suppliers, they might be bigger, more carbon fibre used and of course the "fuck you we can" tax as it's for rich people who will pay it regardless

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throw_me_away3478@reddit

More carbon fibre used

Lol

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Bobmcjoepants@reddit

Just throwing out ideas

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caterham09@reddit (OP)

I'm not sure you can get more apples to apples than getting the same equipment on both cars. The corvette wheels are actually larger than the mustang ones as well.

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willpc14@reddit

Maybe there are economies at scale working in favor of the Corvette? I just spitballing though.

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JetPoweredJerk@reddit

This is what I’m thinking is the biggest factor, other than when the PO’s were filled. Chevy ordered way more a couple years ago. Ford is paying more current market at what is likely a fraction of what Chevy has from a volume standpoint

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primetimecsu@reddit

if you want to go apples to apples'ish, youd be quoting the $27k package that gives you the z07 magnetic suspension, carbon wing, carbon wheels and carbon brakes.

So a little bit cheaper, but you dont get everything that comes in Ford's package either.

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JALbert@reddit

Chevy also charges $10k more for the CF aero, putting the packages pretty similar.

Also, the company that makes the carbon wheels for both companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars over the last 4 years. It's very possible Chevy is getting the wheels below the functional cost for that company to make them.

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Prison-Butt-Carnival@reddit

Tesla charged $20k for carbon brakes, lighter wheels and a tune. Seems to be the going rate....

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wolfpack_57@reddit

I think I remember seeing Fords Australian carbon wheel company was losing tens of millions a year though.

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primetimecsu@reddit

just go look at pricing for these kind of parts.

carbon ceramic brake kit for a dark horse starts at 10-15K

Ford carbon fiber wheels at least $12k (GT500 carbon fiber wheels are $4k each from ford)

then add in all the other stuff youre getting and its not hard to get to that price point

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hurricanePopsicles@reddit

Carbon Ceramic brakes make up a lot of that cost. They are not cheap

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USS-Hellcat@reddit

Gone are the days of 70k Hellcats and Camaro ZL1s. Now we're seeing the top end Mustang approach (and possibly exceed) 150k decked out.

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Roboticpoultry@reddit

Hey now they’ll also paint your calipers and give you an exclusive badge color

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Noobasdfjkl@reddit

Never mind the camber plates, catch can, recaros, or aero

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dreaminphp@reddit

some idiots will pay more than that for additions that are similar on their f150s/250s

(it's me, i'm the idiot)

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rosen380@reddit

I have a 1993 Corvette; the base price was $34,595.

The ZR1 special performance package, was very nearly that much, at $31,683, but at least it included an entirely different engine.

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gumol@reddit

carbon rims and carbon ceramic brakes are expensive

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Fast-Apartment8324@reddit

wild times

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TomcatZ06@reddit

I feel like everyone complaining here skipped that first bullet point. Carbon fiber wheels are always tens of thousands of dollars.

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caterham09@reddit (OP)

Chevrolet charges $17,500 for the package that includes carbon fiber rims and carbon ceramic brakes on the Z06

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Eggith@reddit

Chevrolet also released a $20,000 Carbon Package for the base ZL1

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DanielG165@reddit

Sure. But why is said carbon fiber tied to an all encompassing package that ultimately costs the price of an entire car? GM will happily give you a Z06 w Z07, or ZR1 w ZTK, both of which include carbon fiber everywhere, wheels included, for $17,500. Not chump change, but also not $36k. Hell, the ZR1 comes standard with a ton of bodywork made out of carbon fiber.

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humdizzle@reddit

this is the world we are in. The amount of optional extras you can add to an M3 cost more than a 330i. Dont even look at how expensive you can option up a 911 or boxster.

the ceramic brakes, carbon wheels, and sport seats are probably like 75% of the cost on this package.

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THEREALCABEZAGRANDE@reddit

Carbon fiber wheels are a third of that. If the seats are carbon fiber buckets, there's another $6k-$8k. Carbon ceramic brakes in that ginormous size are all of $8k-$12k. Its not an absurd price, those are all EXPENSIVE items. Would I pay that damn much to shave 150 lbs and have marginally better on track braking? Hell no. But none of the big ticket items in there are cheap.

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taticalgoose@reddit

OP missed the most egregious option, the $30,980 Track Pack Special Edition which includes:

Available on Mustang Dark Horse® SC High (970A) with Shadow Black and Oxford White Exterior Paints only.
Replaces Classic Package when ordered.

Includes:
• Black Painted Roof*
• Brembo™ Brake Calipers – Race Red and Carbon Ceramic Brake Rotors
• Carbon Fiber Exterior Package
• Hood & Decklid Graphic – Painted Tarnish Dark Anodized
• Exhaust Extension – Black Painted
• Seat Belt – Black with Red Stripe
• 3D Printed Titanium Paddle Shifter and Rotary Shifter Trim
• Serialized IP Badging
• RECARO® Seats – Solar Red

I got quite the surprise when I had no other options selected then checked the box for the red interior which resulted in a net price change of $67,480 for the SE package and OP's track pack. Total cost: $175,965.

Absolutely not.

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3MATX@reddit

What the heck is an oil catch can?

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Noobasdfjkl@reddit

It's a reservoir that separates oil from the air in the PCV system so that oil doesn't get into to the intake and coat the valves.

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3MATX@reddit

Gotcha. My mind went to some plastic contraption meant to prevent drips from assumed manufacture issues.

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Noobasdfjkl@reddit

that would be very silly

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gumol@reddit

it’s a can that catches oil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_catch_tank

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real_fake_hoors@reddit

You know what? I’m going to say it.

I don’t care about carbon fiber.

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doug910@reddit

It’s interesting that the package provides an oil catch can. While so many people blindly insist that they’re needed, I am firmly of the mindset that if the engineers deemed a catch can as necessary, it would have came with it from the factory. Seeing things like this makes you wonder if they’re actually beneficial or not for general applications.

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DanielG165@reddit

Honestly, as the OP stated, all this stuff should have come with the Dark Horse SC as standard. It’s supposed to be the significantly beefier version, no? Outside of the CF wheels and higher rear wing, everything else should’ve been standard equipment.

That’s what made something like the 6th gen ZL1 so great, as it gave you essentially everything as standard, with the only items like a sunroof, PDR, trans option, and a convertible option being boxes that could be ticked separately. Then, the even crazier ZL1 1LE gave you everything as standard also, or added specific equipment for track use I.E.: smaller lightweight wheels, R comps, track aero, DSSV spool valve dampers, thinner rear glass, underbody strakes etc.

This is Porsche levels of penny pinching.

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