Greece has filed an official complain against Israel after a video circulated showing activists on the flotilla to Gaza being mistreated. Thoughts?
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Super_Sherbet_268@reddit
Something I have noticed lately is that a lot of Greeks are pro Palestinian and disapprove of their govt stance on israel-Palestine.
Lunatik_C@reddit
Always were. I know even conservative Greeks that are pro Palestine. Fun fact, there exist Palestinian orthodox christians, and a lot of them attended Greek universitities.
Ok_Tackle225@reddit
There were many christians in Palestine, but they were forced leave because of abuse and murders. Currently there are almost zero christians in there.
Super_Sherbet_268@reddit
a Zogby poll that interviewed more than 1,000 Palestinian Christians from Bethlehem found that 79% of the respondents cited the Israeli occupation as source of difficulties leading the emigration of their community.^([111]) In the same year, the Palestinian Centre for Research and Cultural Dialogue conducted a poll among the city's Christians according to which 90% said they had had Muslim friends, 73.3% agreed that the PNA treated Christian heritage in the city with respect and 78% attributed the exodus of Christians to the Israeli blockade.
Ok_Tackle225@reddit
That's a funny lie. The population of Palestine has grown from 900k to 5.7 million for 75 years, the muslims has grown with millions, but particularly the christians left it, because of Israel. haha Doesn't even make sense.
Expected such answer. Blaming the jews for everything, always. As you don't know what radical islam means and does.
bRiCk404@reddit
You're brainwashed. All these recorded facts and testaments of actual Christians from Palestine won't mean shit to you, cause "mUsLiMs BaD". What a sad life man. Pathetic even.
Ok_Tackle225@reddit
I don't believe in particular group of people who are biased. They can say anything. I have critical thinking and look at stats and facts.
When you believe somebody who's intend is to delude you, that is brainwashing.
I use logic.
A lot of those palestine christians went to Israel. They are safe there. The christian population there has grown a lot, while it's decreased in palestine. Those are facts easy to check.
You can be whatever you want in Israel, they have 20% muslim arabs too.
But you can't be whatever you want in Palestine.
bRiCk404@reddit
You’re just talking out of your ass. Historical records show Christians-Jews-Muslims lived in Palestine with no religious issues for almost a millenia until Israeli occupation. Other people cited resources. Where are your resources backing your claims?
Is it Muslims’ fault that they’ve chosen to stay and fight against the apartheid?
Ok_Tackle225@reddit
Check my claims yourself. Whatever source i give you will deny it, i've played this game before and familiar with people like you. It's predictable.
Islamic radicalization started to form in 19th century and especially in the beginning of 20th, with the rise of arab nationalism. You compare different times.
Before that is exaggeration to say that they lived peacefully.
The arabs invaded palestine in 7th century and conquered it. They were somehow living together, until the rise of radical islam over 100 years ago.
Of course it's muslims fault that they chose to reject official palestinian country 6 or more times, but wanted to fight. They didn't want to share it with the jews, they wanted Jihad. They are in this situation because of their radical views. They don't want peace.
bRiCk404@reddit
Lol, why would I check your delusional claims? Keep being brainwashed. Don't expect us to join you in your schizophrenic day-dreams though. Have the fucked-up life you deserve.
Super_Sherbet_268@reddit
Except Bethlehem itself disproves your argument.
Bethlehem stayed overwhelmingly Christian for centuries under various Muslim dynasties and the Ottoman Empire. Even in the early 1900s it was still a heavily Christian city. The major demographic collapse happened after the British Mandate, the 1948 war, mass displacement, occupation, settlement expansion, checkpoints, and economic strangulation of the West Bank.
Over the course of the 1947 to 1949 war, many Palestinian Christians, as part of the wider Arab population, fled or were expelled from areas that became Israel. After 1967, the Palestinian Christian population still increased in absolute numbers, but declined as a percentage because Muslims had higher birth rates and because Christians emigrated at much higher rates.
In 1950, Christians were about 86 to 87% of Bethlehem. Today they are around 10 to 12%.
Also, Bethlehem has had Christian mayors for well over a century and still does today. The mayoral office has historically been reserved for Christians, and the current mayor, Maher Canawati, is also Christian. If Christians were supposedly being “wiped out by Muslims,” it would be strange for the city to continuously maintain Christian leadership for generations.
The Palestinian political and public sphere also still includes prominent Christians. The current Palestinian foreign minister, Varsen Aghabekian Shahin, is an Armenian Christian, and Miss Palestine 2022, Nadeen Ayoub, is also a Palestinian Christian.
Palestinian Christians are not foreigners there. Many consider themselves descendants of some of the oldest Christian communities on earth, sometimes calling themselves the “living stones” of Christianity because they maintained Christianity in its birthplace continuously for centuries.
Historically, Palestinian Muslims and Christians shared language, culture, traditions, feast days, saints’ shrines, and a broader Palestinian Arab identity. Bethlehem remained majority Christian for hundreds of years under Muslim rule and the Ottoman Empire, which completely undermines the simplistic claim that Muslims suddenly “drove them out.”
What changed dramatically was war, occupation, borders, settlements, economic collapse, and restrictions on movement.
Even Reuters reported in 2024 that Christian families are leaving because of:
Travel restrictions are a huge part of daily life there. Bethlehem is only about 10 km from Jerusalem, yet Palestinians often cannot freely travel between them without permits and military checkpoints.
A trip that should take 15 to 20 minutes can turn into hours waiting at checkpoints depending on closures, military controls, raids, or settler road restrictions. Palestinians commuting between Bethlehem, Ramallah, Hebron, and Jerusalem regularly report being delayed for hours or denied passage entirely.
Reuters quoted Bethlehem resident Alaa Afteem saying:
“There is no security if you are commuting between districts within the West Bank like between Bethlehem, Ramallah, Jericho, Hebron.”
Bethlehem is also surrounded by Israeli settlements and bypass roads primarily designed for settlers. The separation barrier and checkpoint system cut Bethlehem off economically and socially from Jerusalem, which historically was its economic and religious lifeline.
Meanwhile, Israeli authorities have bulldozed Palestinian homes across the West Bank for years over permit disputes, security operations, or settlement expansion plans, affecting Muslim and Christian Palestinians alike. Even church leaders and Christian organizations have repeatedly warned that settlement expansion is suffocating historic Christian communities.
Congressman Henry Hyde wrote in 2007 that expanding Israeli settlements were “irreversibly damaging the dwindling Christian community.”
There are also individual cases showing how severe movement restrictions can become. In 2009, Berlanty Azzam, a Palestinian Christian student from Gaza studying in Bethlehem, was detained at a checkpoint by Israeli forces, blindfolded, handcuffed, and expelled back to Gaza only months before finishing her university degree.
And Palestinian Christian surveys themselves say the same thing:
Does that mean there is zero tension with Muslims? No. There are documented cases of discrimination and pressure from some Islamist elements, just like elsewhere in the Middle East. But pretending Christians disappeared because Muslims suddenly started “ethnically cleansing” them makes no sense historically when Bethlehem remained Christian majority for centuries under Muslim governance.
The bigger reality is:
That is why even Reuters, Christian clergy in Bethlehem, Palestinian Christian polls, and many international researchers all point to occupation, economic decline, and instability as central reasons for the Christian exodus.
NoSync22@reddit
440%? Is there a negative number of christians there?
abki12c@reddit
98% of Palestinians are Sunni Muslim and from the remaining 2%, 52% is Greek Orthodox
KemikalOktopus@reddit
Pro-Palestine is not necessarily a left wing stance. All the pro-Kremlin hardcore right-wingers in my country are pro-Palestine, for example.
EverydayNormalGrEEk@reddit
This is long standing and not recent. Greeks by majority were always supporting Palestine.
abki12c@reddit
If you base your opinion on the opinion of Greeks of Reddit you'll be mistaken. Many Greeks of Reddit are communists or extreme leftists. On Facebook it's the opposite, many boomers support Israel. I would say many conservatives that don't like Israel don't like Palestine either.
Super_Sherbet_268@reddit
I didn't base my opinion from reddit obvi I'm aware of the divide between Reddit and the real world. I have been seeing a lot of news about pro palestinian protest in Greece and have met only pro palestinian greeks off reddit too.
abki12c@reddit
The pro Palestine protests and most protests in Greece are organized by communists. They make up 5-6% of the votes. There was a video asking Greeks if they're pro Israel or Palestine and most didn't really have an opinion. That's I would say the dominant opinion.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Even the far right junta of the 70s was pro paleetine
Sweet_Bridge_3001@reddit
The disconnect between the general Greek populace and government is staggering.
All of my Greek friends are staunchly pro-Palestine, but Greek government continues to get in bed with them, its weird idk.
Lord_Gobbledygook@reddit
Wait till you hear the Greek public's opinion about Russia and Ukraine. Another discrepancy with the government.
Adistaktos34@reddit
Again, a false image. Your circle may be pro-Putin, but the Greek people strongly support Ukraine. Only right-wing extremists and communists love Russia, the former thinking that because of religion we should be allies. The communists obviously think that Russia is the birthplace of this stupid ideology.
Lord_Gobbledygook@reddit
A false image was the stark difference in demonstration size between Russia and Ukraine supporters in Athens? Not everything is trikala city
LefterIs6@reddit
Αυτό δεν ισχύει αλλά και να ίσχυε, δε πρέπει η χώρα να εξευτελίζεται επειδή κομμάτια του λαού της έχουν πέσει θύματα ρωσοπροπαγάνδας. Ειδικότερα λόγω της θέσης μας, πρέπει με κάθε τρόπο να υποστηρίξουμε την Ουκρανία ως αμυνόμενη χώρα.
dio_dim@reddit
Δυστυχώς ισχύει σε μεγάλο βαθμό. Όλος ο νορμάλ κόσμος στο εξωτερικό κράζει Πουτιν, Τραμπ, Νετανιάρχου και εδώ υπάρχει το παγκόσμιο φαινόμενο να κράζουν Νετανιάρχου, Τράμπ και να γλύφουν τα @@ του Πούτιν. Δεν ξέρω αν είναι ο εμφύλιος ή κάτι άλλο αλλά είναι τεράστιο ξεμπρόστιασμα, κυρίως (ακρο)Δεξιών και (ακρο)Αριστερών -πολλοί από αυτούς μάλιστα δήθεν "ανθρωπιστές". Οι μάσκες έπεσαν οριστικά για τον "ανθρωπισμό" τους...
Consistent_Guava8592@reddit
Αρα και το Ιράν σαν αμυνόμενη χώρα
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
I ve seen more of a 60% of greejs for ukraine and the other 40% for russia...so id ont thinks its far off.
azyrr@reddit
The world is changing for the worse. Governments aren’t scared of their populace anymore, they’re not scared to lose their power. I don’t know how much longer the common man can brace themselves for…
Lord_Gobbledygook@reddit
I don't know how the world has changed for Greece. It seems to me that my whole life I see a malákas nation, that finally got the government of malákes that it deserves.
azyrr@reddit
That holds true for a lot of countries, the last 10 years almost all governments went haywire. I could copy your comment word for word for my own country and it would fit like a glove. But then again, there is a pattern that so many rogue governments have started to pop up while the general populace have been stagnant in the malaka curve for the better part of a century.
macellan@reddit
> malaka curve
Love this.
Adistaktos34@reddit
Your experience is not representative. Only the leftists in Greece are pro-Palestinian. Over 60% of the population is pro-Israel. The main reason is Turkey's alliance with Hamas. Until 2000, the governments in Greece were pro-Palestine but it did not benefit the country at all, it actually did harm. As you will know, your government prioritizes the country's interests as you support the economy of Iran and Russia.
InfernalVelocity@reddit
Hey you guys are not that far off. Erdogan loudly proclaims sympathy for Palestine but behind back doors makes lucrative energy and arms deals with Israel.
After all, countries that commit and deny genocides stick together.
Sweet_Bridge_3001@reddit
Turkey, since 2024, holds a full embargo against Israel and trade between the nations is 0$.
Turkey have let go 14 billion $ with this decision.
afkybnds@reddit
lmao
Kitsooos@reddit
It's not as big as you think it is. Reddit is not a good metric on such issues.
Most Greeks hold no real love for Jews and are fully aware that what is happening in Gaza, West Bank and Southern Lebanon is a genocide.
But at the same time they understand that relations with Israel are necessary to stop Turkey's Neo-Ottomanistic Mavi-Vatan-type nonsense. At least for now.
What happened to Pontus, Istabul, Northern Cyprus, Imvros etc. is more than enough proof that systematic ethnic clensings and flat out genocides are shamelessly part of Turkey's modus operandi and that is more than enough to scare people into otherwise unlikely alliances, in order to stop this from happening again in Southern Cyprus, Eastern Aegean, Western Thrace etc.
Sweet_Bridge_3001@reddit
What a word salad.
Turkey has no "ottomanistic" desires, there have been no claims on land or expansion attacks.
Ethnic cleansings are just as much part of Greek history as Turkish, all those islands and mainland Greece had hundreds of thousands of Turks living in them just as Greeks were in mainland Turkey.
It was Greece who tried to annex Cyprus and failed, it was Greece who tried to genocide Turkish Cypriots.
Your shit stinks just as much as ours buddy. Stop playing the victim and lets work for a peaceful future together.
GRemlinOnion@reddit
Common let's not pretend that Mr. Erdoganopoulos isn't eyefucking the Aegean sea lol.
As for Cyprus, yes the Junta started wrongfully annexing cyprus because they were retarded. That doesn't make the occupation and the turkish mainland settlers living in the houses of people that got expelled any more legal.
Sweet_Bridge_3001@reddit
Yep, i am not denying any of that or defending it. Im only pointing out that bringing out the atrocities commited 100 years ago cuts both ways.
I support Cyprus unification as do many in Turkey.
As for the Aegean, status quo is the best solution, no 12nm, no Blue Homeland. There were no talks about any of this before Greece started talking about expanding their EEZ.
Kitsooos@reddit
I won't sit here and have such a sad debade with a Turk in denial.
My "word salad" is what most Greeks believe. I've lived my entire life in Greece. You can believe me, or you can keep living in that magical world that your state's propaganda has you living in.
You are right. There was no systematic genocide of the "gavurs" whatsoever.
Your "Blue Homeland" is yours by right. Go ahead and try and make it a reality.
InfernalVelocity@reddit
You're talking to a Turkish Nationalist who either dismisses and justifies genocide or is proud that his ancestors slaughtered millions of civilians and women and children and stole their land. In his eyes, in this revisionist history that was chewed and spoon fed to him by his government, he believes his conquests.
And this same Turkish nationalist holds such astounding cognitive dissonance and lack of critical thinking that he gets upset at when the Israeli's do the exact same thing to the Palestinians in Gaza. It's from the same Turkish playbook too. Invade. Steal the land. Oppress the small minorities and indigenous populations. They try to fight back. Dehumanize them. Call them terrorists. Act like victims. Mass murder them all. Teach the next generation it was a fight for survival. Deny, Deny, Deny.
Turks see their own reflection in the actions of Israelis. It is a very very very interesting thing to observe.
bruhmanbruuh@reddit
Like you said , cognitive dissonance.
Sweet_Bridge_3001@reddit
Kekw.
Kitsooos@reddit
Who/What are you even quoting ?
Thalassophoneus@reddit
Since when did the Aegean islands have Turks?
Sweet_Bridge_3001@reddit
Since Turks and Greeks have been part of the same country for 400 years.
Thalassophoneus@reddit
There is also a disconnect between the Greek population's criticism of the New Democracy government and their voting results.
InfernalVelocity@reddit
Hey you guys are not that far off. Erdogan loudly proclaims sympathy for Palestine but behind back doors makes lucrative energy and arms deals.
Countries that commit and deny genocide stick together, right?
InfernalVelocity@reddit
Hey you guys are not that far off. Erdogan loudly proclaims sympathy for Palestine but behind back doors makes lucrative energy and arms deals.
Countries that commit and deny genocide stick together, right?
holyrs90@reddit
When u lead a country , you dont get to be moralistic.
DimGenn2@reddit
Yeah, because for better or worse Israel is an important regional power, and is in our benefit to have good relations with them. Heck, people forget that it was Syriza who spearheaded this cooperation, because yeah, ideology is good and all, but realpolitik is more important.
Didudidudadu737@reddit
“Greece only 2 weeks away from making a nuclear weapon” and/or “Greece has officially supported and funded Hamas” Den Gvir tomorrow morning
Oxcuridaz@reddit
Believe it or not, Greece was promised to the tribe of Israel 3000 years ago...
polat32@reddit
Not agreeing with this statement is anti-semitic
Didudidudadu737@reddit
Why would it be antisemitic if that is their claim?
I’m really amazed with people clinging over “secular” Zionist that literally took the prayer for Zion (religious yearning) to create Israel, for the people belonging to Judaism and where even today one can’t get a civil marriage but only a religious one and a religious court decides if one is Jewish enough and the religious converts get inherited religious rights to the land of Palestine
dotpusheria@reddit
I feel like he was making a joke instead of being serious
Didudidudadu737@reddit
The joke just flew over my head, honestly, (In my defence there was an edit that is not noted)
seriouslysrs121@reddit
I feel you’re right
abki12c@reddit
You mean Turkey. Historically Greeks have occupies the Jews and Turks have conquered Greek lands, expelled the Greeks and genocided them
yokedici@reddit
please dispel your ignorance and read on the history of Sephardic Jews and their relation to Ottomans.
Or history of Salonica.
Affectionate-Band-15@reddit
Greece has very close ties with Israel on military and security projects. This is just political grand standing Th at will amount to nothing. Security is prime and Greece needs Israel to counter Turkey.
Several_Score_4278@reddit
What kind of projects u have?
Affectionate-Band-15@reddit
Military cooperation between Greece and Israel has expanded dramatically since the 2010s and is now one of the most significant defense partnerships in the Eastern Mediterranean.
The cooperation spans:
- joint air and naval exercises,
- missile and drone defense,
- pilot training,
- intelligence sharing,
- cybersecurity,
- arms procurement,
- and trilateral coordination with Cyprus.
Bardakson@reddit
Lol
Didudidudadu737@reddit
Ask USS Liberty how much Isreal respects close ties and allies
Affectionate-Band-15@reddit
I never said it’s ok, just pointed out that Greece will not take this far enough to hold them accountable. That extremist has done similar things dozens of times with 0 consequences.
Didudidudadu737@reddit
I believe or want to believe that the boundary has been crossed, unfortunately reactions are arriving only after the assault on European citizens- not when they flattened Gaza and killed almost 100k people, not because of atrocities in WB and GH, not because of de facto annexation in Lebanon, not after Iran, not after Syria, not after illegal attacks and retaliatory actions on sovereign countries, not after apartheid-and these “deeply concerned” letters won’t do much but for the first time in history we have an avalanche of EU official disproval of Israeli actions. I guess now many more activists will be going and we’ll have many more friction
Kitsooos@reddit
We actually DO have a neuclear energy program that started DECADES ago, but in true Greek fashion, it has not been completed yet.
Affectionate-Arm-405@reddit
Yes, we've been developing nuclear warheads in complete secrecy for years based out of Mykonos. Scientists only work in the winter because in the summer they need to party
SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit
[ Removed by Reddit ]
Comprehensive_Yak359@reddit
In the summer they work as waiters ;)
GeraldBot@reddit
The audacity to share the video is jarring, reminds me of the big short scene.
They are not confessing, they’re bragging.
DiMit17@reddit
It acts as a deterrent, to warn others
Bigcarrotthings@reddit
As opposed to a fine?
It isn't a deterrent. It is a humiliation ritual. Israelis tend to be cruel, so they get off from this.
It definitely isn't stopping activists who believe Israel is committing a genocide.
mastertheknife1@reddit
Look, one of the mistakes in Israel is that they always played by the rules, but the other side (Hamas and other terrorists) did not. So extremists like Ben Gvir believe Israel should play by (almost) the same rules as terrorists. The Middle East works very differently than Europe. Here it's about power and force, not laws. Europe already marked Israel as evil, genocidial and what not, so why should Israel care about PR anymore.
altahor42@reddit
Israel is not acting according to the rules at all, are you kidding me? For example, they have no right to arrest anyone in international waters.
Bigcarrotthings@reddit
Lol, did you live under a rock? Israel has assasinated multiple Iranian generals and scientists. They gave the Oslo accords a middle finger and immidiately ignored it. They have allowed settlers to basically commit terrorism with help of the IDF for decades.
What rules did they play by exactly. They never gave a fuck about the rules.
Israel has always acted the same way they act now. People just didnt follow the news.
Did you forget the American that got bulldozed while protesting the mistreatment of Palestinians. How Israelis celebrate that day as pancake day?
What about Jerusalem day. Where Israelis basically run through Jerusalem attacking Palestinians with IDF protection.
Imagine a day in which Neo-Nazi's could run through black neighbourhoods and attack and destroy black stores while protected by the US army. Imagine if that happend.
So again, what rules did Israel play by.
crooked_cat@reddit
Israel is just playing their game along.
This was the how many attempt?
Now Israel was just making fun of them like with Greta.
Now they are getting a bit annoyed.
Miserable_Dot_8060@reddit
It is becouse this times it was turks. Relationship between the countries went down the drain and Israelis are well aware of Erdoğan threatening of invading. So a right wing politician though that it would bosst him in the election to . He ended up being condemned from his own side for it ...
bRiCk404@reddit
Turks being in aid flotillas isn't a new thing. I guess people forget about the Mavi Marmara flotilla incident where 9 Turkish people killed in 2016 by Israel.
crooked_cat@reddit
What was Turks this time?
hemijaimatematika1@reddit
The amount of power Israel has over Europe is staggering.
They kidnapped in international water near Cyprus around 450 people,most of them Europeans from EU nations (Italy,Greece,Spain,France,Ireland) and UK,brutalized them on camera and not one single EU state called for war or at the very least sanctions (total trade cutoff).
It is just crazy how incompetent and scared EU is.
kulamsharloot@reddit
Those European terrorist supporting idiots are trying to infiltrate a sovereign nation and you think we should let them in?
You're too privileged, this isn't how the world works my guy.
Gullible-Voter@reddit
I believe they did it near Crete inside "Greek" waters.
hemijaimatematika1@reddit
So much for famed Greek navy
This_Lion5856@reddit
I mean most of the European leaders serve foreign interests. Merz was a Blackrock executive for years, Von Der Leyen is a lackey, Rutte is a globalist lapdog and only Sanchez and maybe Macron to an extent are trying to defend some sovereign position, everyone else is just bent over foreign interests.
CataphractBunny@reddit
Thoughts? They're lucky Israel didn't sink them by mistake.
kulamsharloot@reddit
We should have tbh, not even by mistake. They're enemies of the state trying to infiltrate and violate our sovereignty and their homeland should've should've warned them not to do so.
We're not nice to people who are against us, you should've already know that by now.
Extremely happy with this video, they should know not to come here and if it creates some sort of deterrence then it's a great thing.
bosnanic@reddit
Lucky Israel didn't decide Hamas was using the ship as a human shield, if so it would have been bombed.
SnoopCheesus@reddit
About fucking time
Aggressive_Duty8265@reddit
Thought? Israel is their offspring. Greece, Europe, Russia, even Australia, Canada, USA, even Turkey. They all enable, empower, serve Israel & its monstrosity
Several_Score_4278@reddit
They killed 50 thousand civilians. Greeks are just hearing
FriendshipRemote130@reddit
80 000
ErrantTyrant@reddit
1,000,000 all journalists and babies
Little-Zucca-1503@reddit
I'm a bit surprised that Greece filed an official complain, I was under the impression that Mitsotakis and the government were quite buddy buddy with Israel. I would have expected at most a comment but not a formal complain. But also let's see if that brings anything
DimGenn2@reddit
Because it's safe. Ben Gvir is already getting shit over this from inside Israel itself (the Israeli FM literally bashed him publicly on Twitter) so we don't really lose anything.
Miserable_Dot_8060@reddit
Guys that were part of his party for decades gave him shit for it. Even the fascists think he is a complete idiot.
pdonchev@reddit
Greece being Isreal's bitches lately makes this hard to take serious.
Bulgaria is also Isreal's bitch, btw. The "pro-EU" party (PP-DB) pledged "unconditional support" to Isreal just a couple of months ago, in a very inadequate message for an election campaign and with the full scale genocide publicly browdcasted in the background. Also, the government did absolutely nothing when Israel killed a Bulgarian medic during a targeted attack on a hospital. The anti-EU imbeciles are not much better, so its basically everyone supporting genocide.
basedrw@reddit
Israel is a gigachad nation which is doing the dirty work for the entire world vs degenerate islamists fanaticals that spread chaos in middle-east.
FriendshipRemote130@reddit
are you mentally challenged? or are you 12
I_pinch_your_balls@reddit
I guess Greece wants Israel to push back those illegal migrants on rubber boats like... Greece does it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushbacks_by_Greece
Old_Resident8050@reddit
I think they come with rubber boats but Greece doesn't push em man. Long history of being friendly and hospital as opposed to... Israel?
I_pinch_your_balls@reddit
The first sentence of the wiki article is "Since at least 2008, Greece has pushed back tens of thousands of migrants" lmao.
Considering that thousands die each year while trying to cross to come to the EU, I think what Israel did was less bad. I'd rather be handcuffed and humiliated by an Israeli extremist, than dying by drowning.
FriendshipRemote130@reddit
yea or you could be born as a gazan child and be incinerated on your first day on earth
lilian_moraru@reddit
Some of those are EU citizens.
FriendshipRemote130@reddit
some? most of them are!
kravinsko@reddit
Im sorry what
*Our* Israeli bedfellow government doing that?
Is there a divorce I'm not aware of?
Good if so, happy for us
PinkyPromiseBuddy@reddit
Greece nice country
Beaches beautiful
People fun
Go Greece holiday
Drama not nice
Greece people like all
Ok_Complaint_9547@reddit
they said these people providing military assets to Hamas
BluBolshevik@reddit
Wow the biggest Israeli cucks wrote what is equivalent to a peace of toilet paper for Ben Gvir to use. Surely this will come with large economic and military ramifications where maybe Greece stops cucking itself to Israel
plebbitchungus@reddit
lol
Arhys@reddit
Kudos neighbor. I doubt our government or major political entities will even acknowledge it :(
Dangerous-Pea-8392@reddit
Yeah the government of Greece has woken up!
yankeeboy1865@reddit
And yet, they're doing an arms deal with Israel and there are talks if Israel buying a Greek island
ImpressiveEnergy4762@reddit
Sounds like "ragebaiters" got ragebaited.
Noxfroid@reddit
Unfortunately, Greece is putting itself at risk by aligning itself with Israel. They have bought a lot of real estate in Cyprus and are now buying a lot more in Athens. I warn our Greek friends: if a snake is wrapping itself around you, know that it is preparing to devour you.
abki12c@reddit
Turks are also buying a lot of real estate in Greece.
Gullible-Voter@reddit
Turks can not buy any property anywhere they want either. The border areas and close islands are prohibited for example.
Outside_Resist_8319@reddit
Those areas which are prohibited for Greeks to buy property are prohibited to all foreigners. There is a law which is prohobiting sales of properties or land to foreigners till some distance from military encampments or divisions. Those may include radar bases, military airbases or ports, naval bases,...
abki12c@reddit
According to this Greeks cannot buy real estate in the Black Sea cost and the Aegean districts while Armenians cannot buy any properties at all
Additional-Penalty97@reddit
Didnt know that but i doubt it will be a problem since the average Turk is unable to buy property on their own country let alone have the money to change it into euros and but it that way. It is probably the very top rich so there wont be a big migrating number i suppose.
But still i am against the notion of buying someone elses countrys land and settling in huge numbers, changing the culture there and it is also happening in Turkey by Arabs too many of villages in my hometown are slowly being sold to rich UAE citizens
abki12c@reddit
Yeah, it's because of the Golden Visa program. It's the government's fault for allowing rich people/companies from other countries buying property. That's what happens when your whole country's economy is based on tourism.
DimGenn2@reddit
Well, when you have neighbors such as you, you can't be too picky of who you're cooperating with.
DimGenn2@reddit
Well, when you have neighbors like your kind you don't exactly have the luxury of being picky of who you're working with.
kodial79@reddit
Needing to have Israel as an ally feels like selling your soul to the devil for security.
Far-Active-649@reddit
I can't imagine how fucking delulu a minister of a state can be, that fat swine head Ben Gvir is probably the product of multigenerational incest. He stands there "They wanted to come as heroes but look at them now" - as if he somehow personally beat them up and they now bow down to him.
BetPretty8953@reddit
Ben-Gvir acting like a dipshit, per usual. It's scummy but then I think bout "okay what if these flotilla people went into the black sea" and I realize Russia would've just outright killed them
Foreign-Gain-9311@reddit
"Israel mistreats activists" fork found in kitchen
Eowaenn@reddit
I mean Greece was promised to them 3000 years ago just sayin
TurbulentVoice3475@reddit
Greece and Cyprus are biggest harbouring nation of Israelis. Whenever huge conflict is happening they are running to them first. What is happening?
Outside_Resist_8319@reddit
Israels promised lands expanded to Greece already.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
"Greece is the next turkey"
BMuadDib@reddit
It's just show, they try to save face. They sold out long ago
SadlyNotPro@reddit
Yup. They're in deep with Israel, probably in hopes of having the US side with us when Israel attacks Turkey next.
macellan@reddit
This would be a negative sum game.
This_Lion5856@reddit
Sorry to break it to you bud, but Israel does not lead conventional wars against actual millitaries.
If they are to actually attack Turkey, they will use US and Greek/NATO soldiers while the Israelis are chilling in LA and London waiting for the war to be over, while of course funding all sides through bank loans.
SadlyNotPro@reddit
Oh, I'm well aware. Current neoliberal governments hopes don't mean Jack shit. And even if they were to gain, it wouldn't benefit the Greek people anyway. We've been getting fucked with continuously worse labour laws.
BeeUnfair4086@reddit
+1 Greek Gov has lost it.
EL_ProfessionalHater@reddit
How come the israeli bots did not spam downvote on this post yet?
illegal-cucumber@reddit
They’re probably busy in r/worldnews
OneCitron2432@reddit
In video
With dress
Without video
No dress
Its in the nature
-Passenger-@reddit
You can call them Israelis how long as you want. Its a global phenomena where Jews are working heavily to support the War Criminals in Israel.
We have a global Jew problem. It's just what it is. They are in control of the most powerful Nation on this planet and with that they are untouchable.
The failed painter called it; Internationales Finanzjudentum and we all know that shit is true
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azimx@reddit
Imagine what they do when cameras aren't around
Lord_Gobbledygook@reddit
If my friend was kidnapped by the mafia, and I went to their joint to take them on unarmed, and consequently got absolutely thrashed, people would call me at best a naive malákas.
I'm not surprised by the mafia-like treatment of this people, but they do remain naive malákes
Ancient_Complaint987@reddit
Regardless, they're at least trying to make a difference, more than those who sit back and do nothing besides give cute speeches with 0 action. Someone has to do something, if they can't be effective, they have to at least try, it's better than ignoring suffering and doing absolutely nothing, they've done more than most of us can do 🤷♂️
Lord_Gobbledygook@reddit
I don't doubt that. I just don't get the "please save us, they got us" whining.
Additional-Penalty97@reddit
Yes but it is still something in changing the opinion of the masses, another show of Israels arrogance and brutality which helps
Southern_Growth5585@reddit
Except we shouldn't be comparing countries with Mafias... And if we are comparing countries to Mafias, then European countries should be sanctioning with said mafia country - not sending letters of condemnation and disapproval
Lord_Gobbledygook@reddit
I'm making an analogy here, based on the correlation of power. Analogy doesn't necessarily mean comparison
Katatoniac@reddit
They actually got exactly what they hopped for, and with TV coverage.
Moist-Park-4781@reddit
I was called "Greek scum" by an Israeli "ally" because I pointed out their abuse. You're either 100% with them or their enemy. There is no middle ground with them. They don't like feedback or friendly advice.
FloppyDiskDrives@reddit
You fight fire with fire. Only way to destroy Israel is to be anti-Semitic.
Additional-Penalty97@reddit
There is one %1 group in diaspora that dislikes the Zionists no need to get angry at them
Totally anti of the rest though
Professional_Plan842@reddit
They are not a friendly nation. It is either them or no one else. Friendly advice won't work for them.
lhookhaa@reddit
They literally consider themselves superior to everyone else!
BeeUnfair4086@reddit
Same, they are the most obnoxious persons i've ever met. Brainwashed since their birth at day zero.
abki12c@reddit
Bibi also criticized Ben Gvir
ApfelEnthusiast@reddit
Won’t change anything.
Faiakes@reddit
It's just for show...
Lucker_Noob@reddit
With freaks like Ben Gvir, you could pour even $10 billion into Hasbara propaganda and it would still be pointless.
seanugengar@reddit
The Greek government allows the Israeli navy to operate as they please and ignored SOS calls from the flotilla, 50km away from the Greek shores. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt.
I'm truly ashamed for my nation.
WillAndHonesty@reddit
Israel is allowed to train on Greek soil
SousLaFranceDeMacron@reddit
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Training_Shine_111@reddit
Have to respect the Greeks. They were dealing with so many refugees and it really did put a strain on them. But unlike some of the other Europeans, that didn't stop them from standing up against the mistreatment of the Palestinians.
Tenchi_Muyo1@reddit
🇮🇱🗣 Greece is 2 weeks away from acquiring nuclear weapons ☢️🇬🇷
BlokZNCR@reddit
When Turkish fishermen approached the territorial waters, Greece: 🦁
When Israeli terrorist elements approached, Greece: 🐁
Katatoniac@reddit
We don't have a defence alliance with Turkish fisherman
You actually believe we didn't know about the Israeli approach in advance?
Suspicious_Menu_7137@reddit
Greece and Türkiye have a lot more beef than Greece and Israel. Türkiye would act the same way.
RestaurantBoring417@reddit
I mean Turkey illegally occupies half of Cyprus and expelled thousands of Greeks from their homes there while Israel never did anything to Greece in particular, so..
bruhmanbruuh@reddit
''it's a pity both sides can't lose''
discretelandscapes@reddit
That's antisemitic. /s
evacOrbis@reddit
what's antisemitic?
UnsolicitedOpinionss@reddit
What isn't by today standards?
Prod_Meteor@reddit
Hahaha.. theatrical "complain".