Lisuan confirms 7G100 preorder launch on May 20, China's DX12 gaming GPU with support for 100+ games
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Dr_Valen@reddit
Honestly I hope this is a stepping stone to them becoming an actual competitor. Intel seems to be giving up on the consumer side and AMD always seems to be nvidias shadow so at this point china is our last hope on basically all fronts. A wild timeline man
imdrzoidberg@reddit
It's a step towards the future. Everyone mocked Huawei's CPUs but now just a few years later they're powering premium smart phones in China.
Are they as good as the newest Apple chips? Of course not but they went from nothing to usable in a very very short time.
Extreme-Arm4609@reddit
Yeah and they're still terrible tbh extremely expensive because of horrific yeilds and even with the government basically paying for those bad chips the Kirin chips are still weak and only in extremely expensive phones
Mina_Sora@reddit
The highest end Kirin chips CPUs are close to Snapdragon 8 gen 2 according to geekerwan, its not as weak as you make it out to be
Extreme-Arm4609@reddit
That's still a chip from about 3 years ago that's not terrible but that's not great either still pretty dang far behind because yes in CPU it's close to that but in GPU it is far behind the current Qualcomm and apple chips. Exynos too.
Mali is dog shit and powervr is extremely terrible
Mina_Sora@reddit
Keep in mind China is also only 3 years behind mobile CPU wise on an inferior node too.
Extreme-Arm4609@reddit
But they are basically at the limit of what they can do on duv so I don't think they're going to be moving very far for a pretty long time to be honest like they are still extremely far behind on IPC compared to apple like Apple's still in a different universe.
And they cannot scale it up to a laptop they tried it was absolutely horrible
Mina_Sora@reddit
Only due to node limit, Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 is on TSMC 4nm while Kirin CPU is comparable on HiSilicon 7nm. They should be capable of pulling similar feats as Apple without the restrictions.
Mina_Sora@reddit
3 years behind CPU is still in line with the measurable exponential development China made in recent times, there's no telling if they can do the same with their GPUs. China already has made an FGPA for mobile gaming as a dedicated upscaling hardware like NVIDIA dGPUs, its on Bilibili. Kirin's team has also successfully replicated MetalFX upscaling for their GPUs too in an investors conference.
Dementia13_TripleX@reddit
I'm not expecting too much of a performance, but I think people are missing the point.
Let's suppose that it really has a 3060 performance.
For a country without any computer industry background, with the government spending billions upon billions to build and develop one, it's actually a feat to come with something at this level.
IBM296@reddit
Lisuan claims 4060 level performance in some games. I will be genuinely surprised if it even offers 3060 level performance in real-world testing.
oldfathertime4@reddit
I'm more curious about drivers. I hate my amd 6800x so much because of bad drivers.
IBM296@reddit
Oh drivers are definitely not going to be good (atleast for the first year or so). Lisuan itself says the GPU is supported by 100+ games (which is a laughably small number considering the amount of games there are out there).
If the GPU is able to give decent 3060 level performance, then I guess more game devs will continue to add support for it over the coming years.
R-ten-K@reddit
The whole point of drivers and DirectX in windows is for Devs to not have to do any of that direct HW support.
oldfathertime4@reddit
Yeah thats pretty pathetic, big thing is driver stability, amd drivers crash at a horrendous rate so the bar cant be that high.
Extreme-Arm4609@reddit
It's likely a 1080 level of performance 10 years later.
So about 10 years behind the west.
They have at least 7nm so if they had better core design they could have as good as rdna2 level GPU but obviously they don't.
The128thByte@reddit
About 10 years behind the west if you don’t factor in the massive exponential curve. They went from CPUs coming out of china being barely faster than a core 2 duo to a full ass homegrown CPU with IPC on par with Zen 3 in like 4 years
Extreme-Arm4609@reddit
Closer to 5 and ehhhh it's because they were able to borrow zen 1 and the armv9 and some arm core designs and then modify it after they were cut off.
The128thByte@reddit
No, I’m talking about LoongArch which is based off of MIPS. No zen 1 or armv9 stuff used there
Zarmazarma@reddit
LoongArch's 3B6000 (their fastest desktop CPU) is no where near gen 3 Ryzen. It's comparable to an Intel 10100 or like a Ryzen 1700x. When hardware outlets were saying it was comparable to tenth gen Intel, that's what they meant- comparing this 12 core 24 vs. old 4 to 6 core CPUs.
And even that's a bit of a generous description - the single core performance is
The128thByte@reddit
Yep that’s why I said IPC. IPC is roughly on par with Zen 3
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Looks like an Astral rival
DrBhu@reddit
I guess any competition is better than none.
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