This is what it looks like when you empty your holding tank in your slip. Everyone can tell it was you. Please stop.
Posted by whyrumalwaysgone@reddit | sailing | View on Reddit | 122 comments
Nothing else makes this specific "poop slick" on the water, and it takes days to go away. This is untreated human waste dumped directly into the marina I work in, I see it every day.
Its illegal. Also, divers clean bottoms, kids swim off boats here. People live here.
Everyone can see which boat did it. "Oh the wind will take it away". Guess what. Your neighbor downwind knows it wasnt him. Its super obvious, all your neighbors see it and know where it came from.
Please stop macerating and dumping your "black water" in the marina. /rant
Sunrise-Surfer@reddit
yuck for a few bucks just use the pump out
millijuna@reddit
Depends on whether there is one available. The good thing about Puget Sound is that their boat registration system and fishing licences pay for publicly accessible free to use 24/7 pump-outs at virtually every marina in the sound.
North of the border, they’re few and far between. The marina I’m currently in is on an island, so they charge for pumpout (unless you’re a long term moorage customer) but the system must be turned on by an employee, and can only be done during business hours.
Most of the rest of the coast, there’s simply nothing. And thus, my boat is equipped with “The Canadian Option.” aka a Y-valve and a macerator pump.
But to use it, there are a bunch of directives. One must be a) in flushing waters (aka not in a bay, lagoon, etc…) and as far as practicable from land. And hten one must be moving at speed to mix it.
Venture419@reddit
The Puget sound - on the U.S. side - is strictly a no discharge zone. On the Canada side it is 3 miles and you can dump raw sewage. Everything is too close near the Penders but the channel off Vancouver is wide enough.
My new to me sailboat in Monterey has no overboard pump out line and a really old tank system. I have decided to convert it to a dry flush system (modiwell) but have not had a chance to install it yet. It is also a no discharge area in the Monterey Bay
ReelNerdyinFl@reddit
I think it’s 12mi off shore here in FL
Lowcountry25@reddit
No, it's 3 in the Atlantic and 9 in the Gulf
ReelNerdyinFl@reddit
Guess I added them together :)
millijuna@reddit
That would be impossible to get to in much of British Columbia, as there are islands in the way, and these are islands bigger than some US states.
But the other difference is that the tide changes here are very, very big (14 foot tides are pretty common) so things mix and dilute pretty quickly as long as it’s not some sheltered bay. I just make sure to be a mile or so off the shoreline, and do the deed. Of course, if I know I will be going somewhere with pump out facilities, I’ll do that instead, but it’s not always possible.
__Bodhi__@reddit
I am not going to argue if this is human waste, it very well could be, and if so, that’s disgusting and awful.
I will say that from the picture, it also looks a lot like galley sink discharge mixed with the (sadly) usual marina sludge after dirty, oily dishes were washed and the soap dissipated.
Aquatic240@reddit
My boat has water that gets into the bilge and nasty looking water comes out even at the dock. Might not be what you think.
har3krishna@reddit
What the Dave Matthews Band was he thinking?
davidgoldstein2023@reddit
Is there someone you can call and report this to? I feel like this is a finable offense.
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit (OP)
This is likely controversial, but as a marine repair guy who spends a lot of time in peoples homes, I feel a specific way about this.
People are letting me into their home/boat, and that requires a certain amount of trust. If you hired a house electrician, and they reported you to the HOA for having an extra car or some BS, that would be pretty messed up. Danger to humans is pretty much my line, I'm not looking to rat people out for fun.
I will however have a polite talk with them, and zip tie their discharge thruhull closed in front of them as required by USCG in home waters.
But as a neighbor, fuck these people and absolutely this is worthy of a fine.
SkiMonkey98@reddit
If kids are swimming in the marina like you said, there's some level of danger to humans. Not a crazy amount and I'm not totally sure if I would turn them in either, but this could absolutely get someone sick
sailonswells@reddit
There is a real risk of being electrocuted or at least incapacitated by stray electric current so that you drown as well.
Just-Smart-Enough@reddit
For this and 10 other reasons, I would very strongly discourage swimming in marinas.
pirate_starbridge@reddit
People accidentally fall into the water all the time, plus animals live in that water.
SkiMonkey98@reddit
Yeah absolutely not. Just talking about OP's situation where someone else's kids are swimming in the poop water
miatapaul@reddit
Only time I have swam in a marina (on the Ohio River, enough said) was whe a 4 year old girl fell off the dock. And even after 5 showers I still felt gross. But hey her fater bought me drinks for the summer!
Just-Smart-Enough@reddit
The poop would be the absolute least if my concerns.
IceTech59@reddit
At least 110 other reasons! (110 volts, that is)
jawisi@reddit
This applies in freshwater. Not a serious concern in saltwater.
Belzoni-AintSo@reddit
Don't don't don't. Please dont swim in marinas.
https://www.electricshockdrowning.org/
jawisi@reddit
Wirth noting that this applies in freshwater, but it’s not as serious of a concern in saltwater.
Belzoni-AintSo@reddit
Thanks! Didn't know that, but of course makes sense.
Signed,
Just-Smart-Enough@reddit
Stray currents are absolutely still a risk in saltwater marinas.
dwkfym@reddit
In a lot of countries you have a duty to report these things even if its not your vessel.
If you hired a house electrician and your home has a back yard where someone is dumping oil, you'd report it to state officials (and not HOA)
MapleDesperado@reddit
What if they were running a meth lab or grow op? Or building bombs? Or pouring hazardous chemicals in industrial quantities down the kitchen sink?
You’re hired to be a trusted technician, not an accomplice.
This is way beyond the extra car in the garage.
checkoutmuhhat@reddit
If in the U.S. call the National Response Center (1-800-424-8802) they’ll get the info to the right people and way easier than finding the local CG command center.
senorpoop@reddit
If this is on a lake, the local DNR would love to know about it as well. Heck, on my home lake, it is illegal just to have a discharge thruhull that isn't locked out.
Lopsided_Ad_5152@reddit
It would be the DNR here as well. Please, Call them. It's not OK to do this.
checkoutmuhhat@reddit
NRC notifies all those partners, so you only gotta report it once. Great system actually.
BaggyLarjjj@reddit
civil penalties go from $2,000 to$40,000 per incident and negligent or willful "knowing" violations carry criminal fines from $2,500 to $50,000 per day.
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit (OP)
Nobody "accidentally" opens a discharge thruhull (that should be locked or at least zip tied) and runs a macerator for long enough to dump a 40gal holding tank. Its lame.
SVAuspicious@reddit
Gravity dump tanks are the way, but otherwise agreed.
unpluggedcord@reddit
Are you replying to the wrong comment? nobody said accidentally.
Rare-Astronomer-1977@reddit
OP is replying to the comment that mentioned “knowingly”, and is stating that these types of actions would all happen knowingly since no one would do this accidentally.
checkoutmuhhat@reddit
National Response Center (1-800-424-8802), they’ll get the info to the right people.
Organic-Salad-1108@reddit
The coast guard or port authority
skyzac@reddit
I hope you reported him to the harbor master. It’s 1000 times worse than littering.
bannlyst3@reddit
Shittering
texasdiver@reddit
I’m the guy who is beginning the search for my first boat. How/where does one empty a holding tank in a boat? Is there an RV style dump in the marina? What about while you are underway? Be gentle, trying to learn…
TYPE_FASTER@reddit
In the harbor where I grew up, there was a boat that would drive to your boat and pump out your holding tank into one on the boat. IIRC it was named the Grey Poopon (it was a gray RIB).
StatisticalMan@reddit
There is an RV style pumpout station in the marina. It will be on its own dock. You will move your boat to the pumpout dock. Sometimes the pumpout dock is also the fuel dock so you can do both on the same trip. In open waters if more than 3 miles offshore you can dump at sea.
Our marina even has a signup sheet for free mobile pumpout that is a pumpout on a boat which comes through once a month or so in order to reduce the gross mess like in the photo above.
Levithix@reddit
Not always it's own dock. Some marinas have a station on each dock with a super long hose so you can pump out from any slip.
MissingGravitas@reddit
There are often docks with pump-out stations; you tie up alongside and it hoovers it up via the deck fitting. Otherwise, you go out past the 3 mile line and open the thru-hull.
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit (OP)
You can go offshore and dump it over the side, using a macerator pump that chews it up.
You can drive your boat to the pump out dock and use the big pump for free any time.
You can pay a mobile service like $25-$40 to come to your boat and empty it.
The only wrong answer is to dump it in the water in a marina or protected area (most urban coastlines)
CadburysTopdeck@reddit
Not human waste, the original poster is making fake news.
nyc_2004@reddit
Call the coast guard and they will absolutely destroy that dude
popdivtweet@reddit
Some MSO Petty Officer about to get a massive bullet for their next eval.
swampopawaho@reddit
Gross
Williwaw_33@reddit
If you’re in New England right now that’s almost certainly oak pollen. It’s currently atrocious and builds up around docks.
blooztune@reddit
Came here to say this.
roehnin@reddit
I had an emergency.
It was either this or drip through my pants onto the dock all the way back to the head.
At least this way you don’t have to walk in it
JustHere4TheZipLines@reddit
How far do you need to sail out so you can legally empty it? Is that harder or easier than emptying it out properly onshore?
StatisticalMan@reddit
Generally speaking 3 miles offshore. It works about the same either way. Instead of a using a pump on the pumpout station the boat will likely have a macerator pump. You open the waste thruhull and run the pump until tank is empty.
For inland waters there are often no-discharge zones and it can be the entire lake is a no discharge zone even if more than 6 miles across.
stubobarker@reddit
Not true. Three miles refers to U.S. coastal waters, not just three miles offshore of anywhere.
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit (OP)
Added an edit to my post for this
JustHere4TheZipLines@reddit
Post was removed. Still curious if you’d be willing to repeat it here
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit (OP)
Sure: https://cms.santamonicabay.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/when-nature-calls_FINAL_2019_for-web.pdf
The official state and federal regs can be hard to read, this is a simplified format I like. Happy to post a better one if anyone has recommendations
Hey u/SVAuspicious did I screw up my post by adding a link to the sewage regs?
SVAuspicious@reddit
u/whyrumalwaysgone et al,
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With respect to regulation, Federal law is dominant. See this search and particularly 33 U.S. Code § 1322. State laws can be more strict but may not provide relief from Federal requirements.
There is a lot of misunderstanding of 'No Discharge Zones.' Let's be clear. You may not discharge sewage within three miles of the US. That's not three miles from shore (much of the Chesapeake Bay for example). That's the international limit marked on your charts. Period. Dot. No Discharge Zones limit the use of sewage treatment for discharge such as Raritan Electroscan and older Lectra/San Type II MSDs.
State and local law may further restrict discharge although the legal authority is questionable. That would be an expensive fight to litigate.
Marina contracts often have limiting clauses about sewage. Those are on solid legal ground under contract law. Federal law says you can pee directly into the water. If your marina contract says you can't pee off the dock than you can't. Local law on indecent exposure is another matter.
sail fast and eat well, dave
hairyconary@reddit
Ive been in dozens of slips, always lock out my tanks when I enter, and seen this type of sludge often. When the tide changes, it shows up from any number of places, including other boats. But dont assume because you see it in a slip that it belongs to the person in the slip.
sailing395@reddit
Illegal. Report this.
snowmoe113@reddit
Name and shame!
Delicious_Young9873@reddit
No, this just algae that grew in the water with limited circulation. Happens all the time.
bigdaddyhogballs77@reddit
Shitters full Clark!
Tiiimay@reddit
Just devils advocate here, but how do you know that’s not dirty bilge pump discharge? What makes it so clear it’s the holding tank?
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit (OP)
Bits of toilet paper, among other things.
Calm-down-its-a-joke@reddit
Wild to me that they would not at least do it while out away from the dock? Really must not care.
buttrumpus@reddit
I'm going to say this isn't anything human at all. I've seen it in marinas and bays all over. It is some variety of organic material built up by tidal flows. At certain times of year fish spawning will cause huge slicks of this stuff.
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit (OP)
Lol no. Feel free to dip your finger and take a sniff. There is zero chance this is anything else.
buttrumpus@reddit
My dock neighbor has a doctorate in marine biology and we've spoken about this phenomenon in the past, but whatever you say.
mafost-matt@reddit
Yep, I l have spokeen to biologist too on the dock about this and their opinions the same. It's not human waste. Now bacteria from holding tanks can add to this... But this sludge mostly comes from combined runoffs. Fertilizers, oils on pavement, etc
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit (OP)
My guess is you are observing a different phenomenon. Pollen typically does not contain ground up toilet paper.
mafost-matt@reddit
Truth 👆👆
FairSeafarer@reddit
Exactly my thinking. I’ve spent a bit in a marina on a dock with no one living in their boat. When the tide went out, it did this one side of the dock. I also called the marina and the dock master came about and said it was the pollen at the time of the year that I called it in.
mafost-matt@reddit
This is likely not holding tank material... Organic human waste quickly disperses. Urine essentially disappears. Much the same way all the fish fecal waste does....it is not the film, but it does add to the film.
What is it then?
What that brown film most likely is: (You can Google these so you can dig deeper if you want.)
Marina runoff biofilm — Fertilizer, soil, pollen, and organic debris wash into the basin. In stagnant corners, bacteria metabolize it and create a brown, oily-looking film.
Decaying organics — Leaves, algae, and plant matter break down and release tannins that look exactly like this.
Fuel or oil sheen — Even a teaspoon of diesel from a nearby boat or bilge discharge spreads into a rainbow or brownish slick.
Stagnant-water scum — Marinas with low circulation trap surface films for days or weeks.
Pollen accumulation — Seasonal pollen mats can look surprisingly similar to sewage.
None of these require a boat to dump anything. They accumulate naturally, especially in slips with little current.
mafost-matt@reddit
Actually no. Depending on the marina, this could be a lot of things, and it typically flows to a corner somewhere. I've had that in my slip while we were away from the boat from months.
Expensive_Dig_6695@reddit
Plus it puts poop on your waterline. It is against the law, as if that matters in this country anymore.
asm__nop@reddit
I’d like to begin by totally agreeing with the message.
As to the photo, this happens to look strikingly similar to what it looks like when pollen collects on the surface and is aggregated into a calm area. I guess let your nose be the guide.
QuantityVarious8242@reddit
Once, in a beautiful mooring where my grandparents happen to live, a friend of mine swam alongside a... Let's say, a sausage. Not nice.
(By the way, our boat is too small to have toilet, so we do it in a bucket outside; there's nobody around when we do it though)
FunArtichoke6167@reddit
What color bucket?
QuantityVarious8242@reddit
Last time I got on the boat (it is my dad's boat), it was a white paint bucket. I had (very strong) diarrhoea one whole night, I can tell you the sharp edges really hurt after a while. Since then, I believe he upgraded to a comfier one.
turklish@reddit
You can always cut a pool noodle to fit over the rim.
brufleth@reddit
Pool noodles really have so many uses.
tannels@reddit
Man over here asking the important questions. I'd use a brown one if I did that.
No-Sail-6510@reddit
Always the orange Home Depot one
lnm1969@reddit
Scoop a few bucket fulls up and lash it all over their deck
ElkMotor2062@reddit
Two pumps of dawn dish soap and the evidence is gone, I know this because someone in our harbour used to do that regularly and I watched him use the soap
SuneLeick@reddit
Looks like pollen.
WasterDave@reddit
See? Smell.
SailingSpark@reddit
I am old enough to remember when boats all dumped over the side. The local marina was about 1/4 livaboards and it smelled like the toilet at a cheap taco and tequila joint 24/7.
ACAB007@reddit
GROSS.
TheGardiner@reddit
Why would the mods delete this?
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit (OP)
Maybe because I just added a link to the rules/regulations, could be automatic. Whatever, I cant be bothered reposting. Maybe someone read it and will think twice.
Spiritual_Cap_6400@reddit
You have to 3 nautical miles off shore to dump. That's a huge fine
nomadicsailor81@reddit
Back in 2017 I had just purchased my catamaran and was anchored on lake Boca while I fixed things and prepared to set off to the Bahamas. I was swimming when a huge power boat dumped it's holding tank, pulled anchor, and left. The water was crystal clear so you could see this massive brown cloud moving right for me. So gross 🤮🤮
Horatio-Leafblower@reddit
Did you keep swimming undeTurd ?
bryangcrane@reddit
Your stupid pun took my disgust and turned it into a chuckle. +1 for you. (It’s actually pretty clever. :-) )
bryangcrane@reddit
This is actually one of THE most despicable and classless things a mariner can do.
Stinkmatron@reddit
That’s a 6 figure fine, no?
tokempole@reddit
Where in the world are you? We get this build up from just tidal action where I'm at in Mexico. Like i can be literally the only boat around and have this, and I don't dump my tanks overboard
BeiTaiLaowai@reddit
Coastie here. Call the local sector, they’ll be happy to handle this
HerbertInTheWoods@reddit
Pump it back on his boat lol
NormDamnAbram@reddit
Dookie boo boo water
Klutzy_Arm_7930@reddit
Dilution is the solution, no????
Free_Range_Lobster@reddit
I'd be more concerned about stray current than poo water.
BaggyLarjjj@reddit
It’s easily identifiable where a stray current with active divers is located, the divers typically float around thst spot.
Weird_Squirrel_8382@reddit
That's so trifling.
DemandNo3158@reddit
People get so upset when I suggest that flogging has a place in our society! Thanks 👍
DawnPatrol99@reddit
Collect it and return it to sender.
vballbeachbum1@reddit
I tried to add paragraphs but this is how it posted.
captcraigaroo@reddit
Looks like pollen and/or dust to me. I'm not there to smell it, so I guess I'll take your word
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit (OP)
No this is very specific, and very easy to ID as human waste in person. Zero chance of it being something else.
checkoutmuhhat@reddit
Call the National Response Center (1-800-424-8802) they’ll get the info to the right people and way easier than finding the local CG command center.
RonPalancik@reddit
Pro tip: do it in someone else's slip while they're out.
withmybeerhands@reddit
Report it to coast guard or state agency of environment. This is definitely a fineable offense.
StumblingBlockson@reddit
Don't let it slide. Pretty much anywhere (at least any dock on any continent where I've tied up over the years), the local authorities would be interested in having a word with the owner.
valsalva_manoeuvre@reddit
Sailors do this???
Rusted_atlas@reddit
People do. The boat they're on is really just a matter of preference.
InternationalDoubt73@reddit
That is awful
morrowgirl@reddit
Ewwwww
closehaul@reddit
Bleh 🤮