Rejected for a Staff/lead position for appearing too young.
Posted by Fine_Usual_1163@reddit | ExperiencedDevs | View on Reddit | 118 comments
Well friends—and in a rather laughable way—I recently went through an interesting situation... And I’m quite disappointed that it’s not something I can improve through study or tangible, practical actions...
A bit about my profile: I’m 29 years old with 11 years of experience in IT (considering I started working in the field at 18). I have a solid current tech stack, advanced knowledge of infrastructure and architecture, and major companies on my resume. I previously served as a Team Lead in the loans and credit card division of a major bank, and I currently hold a Staff Engineer position at another prominent multinational firm. I’ve even founded a startup, and my LinkedIn profile features 28 organic recommendations from other professionals. In short, I’ve got quite a track record.
As for my appearance, I’ve always looked young; if you were to look at me without knowing my background, you’d say I must be around 22—at most. When I attended the last in-person company event for my current employer, people initially mistook me for an intern.
I was invited via LinkedIn to interview for a position at a digital bank (one of the largest in the sector). Based on the salary range and scope of the role, it sits somewhere between a top-tier Staff Engineer position and an entry-level Principal Engineer role. The hiring process followed the standard pattern: an initial chat with a recruiter, followed by a technical interview involving system design, then an interview with the hiring manager, and so on.
The chat with the recruiter? Check—I passed that without any difficulty.
The technical interview and system design session? Went very well. I received immediate feedback during the conversation itself that I would be advancing to the next stage; the interviewer praised my proposed solution extensively—and, modestly speaking, I believe that praise was well-deserved.
The "soft skills" interview with multiple coordinators? Passed that, too. I answered every question and even backed up my responses with examples from my past experience; I received confirmation that I was moving on to the next stage on that very same day.
Then came the interview with the Senior Manager. Well... here’s how that went.
I started the conversation, and the very first thing she said was: "You look quite young. I’ve never interviewed a candidate this young for a position of this caliber." She asked questions about my day-to-day work, past projects, decision-making processes, and operational methods—but she kept circling back to that one specific point. She asked questions like: "Do you believe a professional *should* look experienced?" and "Do you feel that you genuinely project an air of confidence?" The conversation seemed to go well; I answered every question not just with theory, but with examples.
At the end of the following day, I received some feedback... "We feel that you did not demonstrate the experience necessary for our current needs. We are looking for a professional who demonstrates greater experience." The recruiter didn't even really know how to properly convey this to me.
Maybe I should dye my hair and beard gray... Just a tip—it seems to be a new hiring requirement for senior-level positions.
_h4xr@reddit
Happened with me at Uber
Cleared the whole staff engineer loop, got told to join as Senior purely based on the fact that I have 8 years of experience and I am quite young.
Leaving aside the fact completely that I am leading 4 different organization level charters with 3 different teams and on path to Sr Staff
ImPrettyDum@reddit
Age-ism does run both ways, and it depends on the company. I recall reading a study where being married with kids for men can give a career boost for upper levels of management.
ParadiceSC2@reddit
They also want you to buy luxury brand cars and shit like that so you're further in debt so you can never retire and always need more and more money.
pseri097@reddit
But good luck if you're a woman, married with kids!
Vivid_Calendar_5275@reddit
This is entirely speculative and I could be totally wrong, but I would have guessed that that bias applies to both genders once you get to a certain career level (though perhaps not applied equally). Single, childless women also face a lot of biases once they are past a certain age.
ReachingForVega@reddit
IFTFY
Oakw00dy@reddit
The senior manager wasn't trying to hire a technical person, they were trying to hire a salesman to sell whatever was their vision to the upper management.
HoratioWobble@reddit
Don't worry, after 40 you'll get rejected for being too old.
GroundbreakingAd9635@reddit
just get plastic surgery 😅
bad_detectiv3@reddit
I don’t know man. I keep hearing about ageism but looking at my senior/principal folks and people who have interviewed me, all definitely 40 plus or 50, damn these ppl know a lot and impressive to say the least
big-papito@reddit
I feel like in the current AI world, it's not exactly true. At 40, you have enough experience to ride the AI dragon productively. You've seen bad, you've seen good, you know what will be a maintenance/performance problem. Older devs can now generate more GOOD code, juniors can generate more BAD code. At least for a while, we are going to see some reverse ageism.
https://medium.com/@albinotonnina/why-senior-developers-are-actually-thriving-with-ai-while-everyone-else-worries-936d585de140
HoratioWobble@reddit
I feel like you've not been looking for work in the current market.
AI doesn't matter. Experience doesn't matter. Price and compliance matters.
Even if you're willing to accept a low salary, if you look older, or have too much experience they assume you're a flight risk or you won't do what you're told and so - don't hire you.
AspireToBeABum@reddit
I'm 30+ and have applied to dozens of places. Not a single interview in sight. One recruiter straight up ghosted after she was supposed to call. Five years ago I had no trouble at all landing jobs.
big-papito@reddit
Oh, I was on the market in 2025. I am still traumatized. What I am describing is fairly new, and it's a bit of a prediction as well. LLMs were simply not there yet early last year to have this effect.
It's rough for everyone out there, but for companies that are not being fools and that don't have a broken hiring process, the grey beards do have an advantage. IMO.
HoratioWobble@reddit
They were absolutely there last year. It was also one of the main questions most companies asked.
I agree AI + Senior developer are a good combination, but that isn't how companies are thinking. They think Junior + AI = Senior, why pay Senior salaries when you can get someone fresh
Tacos314@reddit
Outside of startups looking for "Energy" it's never been true.
matjam@reddit
ouch
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
Joints hurting again grandpa? /s
KhellianTrelnora@reddit
It’s not the joints. It’s the everything.
Also, I threw my back out with a sneeze about a year ago. Was laid up for a solid week.
matjam@reddit
yah 😞
Eric848448@reddit
This is why I like trading. Lots of gray hair around at every place I’ve worked.
Intelligent_Bet9798@reddit
So very true
rectalrectifier@reddit
Nah man. Staff+ is where they let the greybeards hang out.
CubicleHermit@reddit
I'm 50 and have been having no trouble getting interviews.
HoratioWobble@reddit
How many jobs have come from those interviews?
CubicleHermit@reddit
On my current cycle since being laid off?
One likely offer pending, but that's for all of 6 weeks of looking so far and having been laid off.
Mostly applying for Sr. Staff/Principal roles, but some Staff, and some EM/Senior EMs roles (although the line EM roles are mostly below my comp target.)
Not too bad for how competitive the market is, and having been quite selective so far about where I'm applying.
I've got a long runway, and need to decide if this comes through whether to hold out for a higher comp/title.
On my prior cycles? A modest number for a moderate number of interviews between 2023-2025, but those that did offer were enough less than my until-recent current employer that I didn't jump ship.
Obviously, has nothing on my last serious search in 2018 where I had 4 concurrent offers to choose between (and one more verbal I didn't get a comp # from), but even if that wasn't the peak 2021 silliness, it was a very strong market then.
dragenn@reddit
I can also vouch this is 100% true...
South-Year4369@reddit
Creating Reddit posts with AI? Check.
includerandom@reddit
Either this is rage bait slop or you should be suing the company for discrimination. What even is this
prettygoodprettypret@reddit
I’ve had similar experiences, unfortunately. I look much younger than my age, about 10 years younger. I’ve had situations where I’m asked in the hiring manager round interview if this is an interview for Senior role, rather than Staff, Lead or Principal, despite having 15+ years of professional experience, some in those roles.
I give all the correct answers in depth and give textbook answers to behavioral questions. Unfortunately, many made up their minds the moment they see my face.
vac2672@reddit
AI post
grangerize@reddit
Age discrimination is real. Happened to me at my current company.
unlucky_bit_flip@reddit
It’s sad we push them out. I’m a fairly young engineer and I think the greybeards are wizards. Their problem is usually strong bias or resistance to change. Coincidentally their weakness is what makes juniors great to hire (less strong opinions, more optimism).
But you need both around.
T0c2qDsd@reddit
Eh, I think it isn’t universal but as I’ve gotten older what I’ve seen with the other folks who are very senior/old hat is a bias is for results… and resistance to change is usually “show me the results and convince me the downsides outweigh the upsides.”
That can be mistaken for “strong bias” and “resistance to change”, but often it’s more having been around the block for long enough to know that magical new library (x), design pattern (y) or tool (z) probably has hidden costs that I’m going to uncover quickly. So I’ll need to allocate appropriate bandwidth for if we’re going that route.
For example: AI has gotten pretty good. My grumpy “it needs to not suck” got me labeled as an AI skeptic until Nov/Dec… but actually it had been “I tried it for basic things and it was, in fact, significantly slower than doing them myself /and/ less accurate. I tried it for complex things and it couldn’t deliver working code.”
Now I am using coding agents 100% of the time for work, but I’m not going to claim it’s perfect or lie about its downsides. It is also a great way to deliver quickly — and when not held correctly, an even greater way to accumulate incredible amounts of technical debt very quickly (when used for coding). When used to build systems, it is often very hard to produce reliably good results with (when used to build systems/products you want to be predictably good), but you can work around its deficiencies if you are careful about what it’s good and bad at.
But I’m probably just old and unwilling to try the hot new thing. :P
anno2376@reddit
Learn to talk less and come to the point.
LT has no time for reading books
poor_documentation@reddit
Talk to a lawyer
RealLaurenBoebert@reddit
If the HR department heard about this, they'd probably flip their wigs. Discussing age in an interview is off limits, at least in the jurisdiction I'm familiar with...
binarycow@reddit
It's not illegal to discriminate based on age, if you're under 40.
EnderWT@reddit
If you're talking about the Age Discrimination in Employment Act, it doesn't apply to workers under 40.
FrostyMarsupial1486@reddit
There’s A LOT of discrimination laws.
Fine_Usual_1163@reddit (OP)
The recruiter was on the call as a shadow, and judging by the way she responded to me afterward, she seemed a bit confused as well.
FrostyMarsupial1486@reddit
FWIW I am actively told to never comment on stuff like this because you can 100% sue for a comment like that.
That’s why no one really does small talk. Even the smallest comment like “do you have kids” can be seen as discrimination. Jump right into the interview.
MrMichaelJames@reddit
And the fact that they said it outright and then rejected. Aka profit for OP
yodal_@reddit
This was my thought. Most HR departments I've dealt with would be worried you'd sue for discrimination.
ReachingForVega@reddit
Chances are they have much older devs or the Senior Manager had someone else in mind for the role.
Empanatacion@reddit
This must not be in the US. That's a wildly stupid thing to say out loud and a manager should have known not to say it.
pinkycatcher@reddit
You can discriminate against young people. You can’t discriminate against old people.
Empanatacion@reddit
I didn't believe you and looked it up. Totally true. That's wild.
Solrax@reddit
Yes they can, and they do. Because you can't prove it unless they are stupid enough to put it on record where you can get to it.
pinkycatcher@reddit
No, what I'm saying is that it's legal to discriminate against young candidates, they're not a protected class. It doesn't matter if it's on the record or not.
Solrax@reddit
Yeah. fair point.
relevant_tangent@reddit
No, what they're saying is that according to the US Federal laws, only people over 40 are a protected class. Young people are not protected against age-based discrimination. The company can tell you on the record that they won't hire you because you're too young, and there's nothing to sue over.
nsxwolf@reddit
It's a preponderance of the evidence standard, not like a criminal trial. Also, most of the work is done via out of court settlements. If you needed a dream team of lawyers to prove discrimination with reams smoking gun evidence, there'd be no point in it being illegal.
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
Try to look 30 forever in this industry. The way you present yourself (clothing, haircut, etc) can do a lot of the work.
fcsar@reddit
I work at a bank, and as soon as I started tucking in my shirt, finding a better suited hairstyle and shaving every day, I became the go-to SME of the area (also, wearing a Patagonia fleece lmao).
on a more serious note, dressing well and taking care of myself and my appearance helped immensely with my confidence, and I guess people noticed. not saying that’s OP’s case, but IME the “dress for the job you want” thing was true.
allnyte@reddit
Patagonia fleece method still unpatched 😂 😤
Epiphone56@reddit
The last interview I did, I turned up in a suit with a beard bigger than Alan from The Hangover. Didn't affect my ability to do the code review technical task, although I was a bit hot in that suit.
fcsar@reddit
tbf most people don’t care as long as you’re not naked (maybe OF engineers are exempt from this), but senior management is another beast. on a side note, I live in a tropical city and the best (clothing) investment I made was a bespoke tropical wool suit, it’s really fresh.
Options_100@reddit
EEOC
circalight@reddit
Tech companies/departments claim to be only about objectivity, except when it comes to actual humans. Then it's politics, vibes and connections.
chipstastegood@reddit
Wonder if this is a circumstance where you could actually sue them for discriminating against your age
Lkjhgjy108@reddit
i worked for 10 years and the first day i joined my new company (as a senior sde) my colleagues thought i was the new intern and asked me which school i am coming from lol
FrostyMarsupial1486@reddit
This is very real and fucking annoying. Have a baby face and take care of your skin guess what you’re fucked. Fat assholes your age bald with grey beards pretend they’re 50 and get more respect.
jaypeejay@reddit
This reads like AI slop…
ReDucTor@reddit
The way you present your experience seems strange to me you say 11 years of IT experience not 11 years of professional programming experience. How long have you been doing programming for professionally?
I suspect there is likely more then just looking young that impacted their decision, they likely have multiple candidates and you were not their best candidate. While looking/being younger could make it harder for people to respect your experience it should be about your skills and actual experience.
PrincipleSevere1418@reddit
Are you indian?
littlebigaccident@reddit
Good luck to them with that sort of reasoning. You dodged a bullet
julmonn@reddit
I’ve legit grown long hair and a beard to look like your average very senior linux wizard. In my early twenties I was in positions where my peers were 35+ and ppl would mention my age quite often.
I even had clients say “honestly we doubted you at first because we wanted someone very senior and we thought you were too young for this”.
In a few years I’ll start the opposite process to stay at 30 y/o looks. (Fortunately/unfortunately I can pass as much younger than I am). Also people treat me differently now that I’m married (and I’ve mentioned we’re planning for kids).
coderstephen@reddit
Did you try one of those fake glasses/nose/mustache disguises?
Vamosity-Cosmic@reddit
I dont think she really cared how young you looked. I think she just distrusted you and that was a piece of evidence in her head.
baezizbae@reddit
I’m promise not being snarky when I say I cannot tell the difference between the first sentence and the second.
Vamosity-Cosmic@reddit
I'm positing maybe she didn't distrust him because of his age, but she distrusted him on his experience, perhaps based on his prior interview having read it or his resume etc, and then noted the young face as possible evidence to this suspicion. Though this is unlikely as she probably had his ID at the time.
TheNorfolk@reddit
But it sounds exactly like she distrusted him because of his age.
Glad-Researcher2738@reddit
Nobody says this in an interview. I call it a lie and a bs story right here.
Fine_Usual_1163@reddit (OP)
I have no way to prove it, but I also wouldn't have any reason to lie in a Reddit post.
And judging by the comments, it's much more common than I thought.
K3idon@reddit
Story might’ve been more believable if it clearly wasn’t written using AI.
Fine_Usual_1163@reddit (OP)
https://www.zerogpt.com/
MrMichaelJames@reddit
In the US? Did she actually say “you look quite young”? If so this is a slam dunk lawsuit. Get them to settle and you never have to work again.
dreamingwell@reddit
That is age discrimination, and it is not legal. Talk to an employment lawyer.
RadioactiveDeuterium@reddit
Where is this? In canada this is legally discrimination and should be reported/even worth a lawsuit if interviewer mentioned age at all.
friendlytotbot@reddit
I’ll take things that never happened for $400 please.
QuantumDiogenes@reddit
You have 11 years of experience. I have 20, and get the same feedback. They always want someone with more experience.
high_throughput@reddit
Me: I have walked the earth for countless eons. I was there when your ancestors crawled out of the oceans. I was there when your species tamed fire. I have watched your cities built and fallen to dust, your empires rise and fall, your gods come and go. I am boundless. I am eternal. I am time itself.
Them: But how many years with Angular specifically
espirroeletrico@reddit
Me: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate...
Them: I think claude can do all that, don't worry. How many years of prompt engineering do you have?
TheNorfolk@reddit
I'm heavily balding with now very short hair at 33. It does wonders for making me look more experienced than I am.
mr_bearish@reddit
They forgot to mention that your voice is not deep enough
metekillot@reddit
Age discrimination in hiring is very illegal. You might consider lodging a complaint about their comments on your age.
0kyou1@reddit
I can speak from hiring’s perspective. Being a senior+ at your company doesn’t necessarily translate to the same caliber in the new company. Maybe you were really good at solving hardest technical problems, but new team is looking for someone who spends 80% of their time negotiating with senior staff/principal/senior managers of other organizations, and have demonstrated really strong track of record moving mountains. Or vice versa. I’ve been rejected on both scenarios and have rejected candidates for the same reasons. It’s always a fit/no fit. If you don’t project the maturity I am looking for, either the look or the mannerism, I’d think your future competitors and counterparts won’t either, which can be a problem for my team and organization.
its4thecatlol@reddit
I think you just work for a shitty organization and are making excuses for it. There are very young looking and actually very young people in very high positions in big tech companies. It's always the tier 2 and tier 3 cos that make excuses and vague reasons for why someone should or shouldn't be hired. At my BigTechCo, the hiring manager would be in trouble with recruitment and HR for the comments the OP posted. This is legitimately a reason to block this person from ever conducting interviews again.
Old_Location_9895@reddit
You can sue for something like this. Like you an say the comment about how young you look is discrimination.
reboog711@reddit
I agree this is discrimination, but I don't think it is illegal.
In the US, It is perfectly acceptable to discriminate against people under 40 years old.
Weird but true
CubicleHermit@reddit
My impression is that some state laws prohibit using age in hiring decisions at all (unless there are legal requirements to be - for example - over 21 to serve alcohol.)
Looks like 16 out of 50+DC have it law outright: https://www.youthrights.org/age-discrimination-under-40/
...although my understanding under California law as an ex-manager is that it's legally risky to take it into account at all even if there's no literal reverse-age-discrimination law so it may be somewhat applicable in more states than listed.
But yeah, federally, there is no such requirement.
mackstann@reddit
This seems like textbook age discrimination, and it's illegal. Unfortunately it's probably going to be impossible to prove.
Nope-@reddit
It is actually not illegal to discriminate based on someone being too young in the US, only illegal to discriminate for being too old. Only workers over 40 are protected from age discrimination in the US: https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination
mackstann@reddit
Huh, TIL.
Erutor@reddit
"protected" yeah. good luck with that.
divinebovine@reddit
Unfortunately, ageism starts at 40.
CraftySeer@reddit
Not a lawyer, age discrimination ionly protects older people. Young people are not protected by age discrimination laws.
SeasonsGone@reddit
“Do you feel that you genuinely project an air of confidence” is an insane question regardless of age. I wouldn’t know how to answer that at all.
scandii@reddit
I'm a consultant and our clients very often seek people who have gravitas (or as you phrase it, "an air of confidence") to come in and steer projects in the right direction.
this is one of those either you have it or you don't, and you typically point to your leadership experience to anchor it in something concrete.
liamht@reddit
When I was a bit younger I struggled when applying to senior and lead roles, I took the apprenticeship route so had 10 years experience by 26.
I had a few roles that I went to final stages and passed all tech assessments only to get to a final stage and be told that they went with someone 'more senior' (note: not more experienced). And it did end up leaving a sour taste in my mouth at the time.
But now with a bit of hindsight, the type of company that I was looking to be at wouldnt have that type of leadership, and most of them showed in the technical tests and interviews also (eg: seniors saying all SQL ORMs are inherently bad and that stored procedures with ado.net were the way).
Over time, I worked at enough companies with those kind of seniors, and realised that the attitude told me more than enough about the platform I'd be developing, and that it wouldn't exactly be a great one for my CV.
Companies have gremlin platforms that have been alive for decades and assume you won't know older languages or methodologies and things like that. I'm a Microsoft guy, so often had to explain that yes, all my experience was post MVC being the norm and the way. But that didn't mean I didn't know webforms, VB or classic ASP.
And if those things were truly in the criteria, maybe I dodged a bullet.
polaroid_kidd@reddit
Get back up, dust yourself off and keep going. There's nothing you can do
At least you didn't fail the very easy technical challenges in a row about stuff you do literally every single day for a position that would have nearly doubled your salary.
You could try having a kid. You'll get bags under your eyes and gray hair in no time at all! /s
It does suck though.
joibert@reddit
So disappointing, sorry you experienced that. The culture at these companies has to change. Everyone no matter the age has something to offer especially if you have the experience.
Keep your head up and keep pushing
obelix_dogmatix@reddit
all kinds of assholes in the world.
StickyDeltaStrike@reddit
Grow a beard :)
kbielefe@reddit
Or depending what it looks like, shave or trim your beard. Nothing makes you look more inexperienced than looking like you're trying to grow a beard.
fiscal_fallacy@reddit
This is why I keep a light beard
BilSuger@reddit
11yoe sounds impressive, but someone with a master's and 6yoe is kinda comparable. Maybe even favored? You might be an unicorn, but lack of formal education can be a show stopper when it comes to more advanced stuff, and people don't place much weight on the experience of a teenager. So you're probably not 11yoe in many eyes.
OkidoShigeru@reddit
Too real mate, people kept mistaking me for a 21 year old right up until my mid-30s. But yeah like others have said they have probably just given a bullshit reason, sometimes they just don’t like you for arbitrary reasons and there’s not much else you can do but move on and try again.
Cultural_Wheel_6936@reddit
You dodged a bullet. Trust me, looking young is going to pay dividends in not so distant future. Instead of worrying about looking older, try to work on confidence, charisma, and leadership. Those things will far outweigh your looks if done right. But there will also always be some discrimination regardless, which you should not pay attention to.
Intelligent-Youth-63@reddit
That's a real bummer. Your experience and interview perf should be sufficient. Right before I left my lst job I hired a guy for led who was made principal after only 5 years at his org. I was super skeptical, but he was amazing- had the exact experience and communicated experience (in person) far beyond his years. It was an emphatic hell yes for him.
Some people re dumb.
cabindirt@reddit
I also look younger than I am at any given age and have gotten this feedback a few times. Look on the bright side, at least you didn’t end up working for morons who prefer the image of success to actual results.
tetryds@reddit
Whey they said you look young you could just have said "and you wouldn't believe I'm actually 29" or something. I've been there multiple times but never had issue.
Another thing is using this to cause an impression. Get them shocked at how capable you are "despite your age" and how much potential you have, or something like that
obfuscate@reddit
Don't worry about it. I'm at the point I will get rejected for looking too old
metaphorm@reddit
look, this sucks, but it is what it is. practically, you have only two real options:
shrug it off and move on with your life. consider it a bullet dodged, because would you really want to work for that person?
talk to a lawyer about employment discrimination. this is unlikely to go anywhere.
zugzwangister@reddit
That sucks for you.
It can also be valid.
Both can be true. If you don't appear to be older than the people you're leading, there can be different dynamics at play. The company found a candidate who appeared like less of a risk to them. Often, hiring is about minimizing risk to the decision maker.
13--12@reddit
Try startups
false79@reddit
Don't give up. Apply as often as you can. I've worked with a lot of younger folks and I learned quite a bit from them.