Required Documents
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Hello everyone, I recently completed an interview prep session with a regional, and the pilot said one of the first questions that may be asked is “what are the required personal and aircraft documents required onboard a flight, both domestic and international.” I was wondering if there is a universal answer that suffices the question. I don’t have access to company manuals as I am not apart of the company, but the question itself was rather difficult for me to know. Can anyone point me in the right direction or help me out?😅 TIA
Impossible-Bad-2291@reddit
Wasn't that taught in PPL ground school?
skunimatrix@reddit
To be fair, navigating the FCC website for a radio license if you already have a FRN number from say a GMRS or HAM license was a fucking nightmare.
justarandomguy07@reddit
My PPL DPE shared step by step instructions on how to get one after we finished the checkride. Complicated stuff.
flyingron@reddit
And gosh, if it involves more than just paying the fee, the FCC is a nightmare. It took me getting PSI involved to unjam my commercial radiotelephone and radiotelegraph licenses. About the only thing I can say, is that they were ahead of the FAA in just issuing everything as PDF files. The FAA has caught up on things like airworthiness certificates.
iheartrms@reddit
International flying was never mentioned in my PPL ground school.
Gabriel_Owners@reddit
It came up in my ground school in 2007.
ltcterry@reddit
Really? AROW vs ARROW? I don’t buy that one.
I might buy not knowing about an FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator’s Permit.
prex10@reddit
It's literally the same answer plus a radio license
iheartrms@reddit
I know it is. I've been flying international for years now. I was just saying it didn't come up. Also, none of the planes I flew in flight training ever had one.
Funny that I've got down votes for stating a fact about my own flight training experience. 😂 I mean, if any of you were there such that you can disagree with me, please let me know so we can get back on touch and talk about the old days!😂
VanDenBroeck@reddit
Yep, ARROW vs AROW was taught to me.
julietwhiskey221@reddit
ARROW acronym
theanswriz42@reddit
When did you it?
flyingron@reddit
Well, you always need your pilot certificate and your medical certificate. The airplane needs its airworthiness certificate (displayed so the passengers can see it) and registration. For international travel, the pilot needs the radio operator's license (a restricted license is fine), and the aircraft needs an aviation station license. Plus you need the operating documents for the aircraft and anything else the operator's opsecs requires.
AIRdomination@reddit
The airworthiness does not need to be displayed to the passengers…
flyingron@reddit
Um, yes, it does... 91.203(b).
No person may operate a civil aircraft unless the airworthiness certificate required by paragraph (a) of this section or a special flight authorization issued under § 91.715 is displayed at the cabin or cockpit entrance so that it is legible to passengers or crew.
AIRdomination@reddit
To passengers OR crew. Love how you conveniently don’t highlight that part.
There isn’t a single commercial airliner that has its airworthiness displayed to the passengers because those documents are on display in the cockpit.
flyingron@reddit
Nope, that's not the correct interpretation.
AIRdomination@reddit
Then every single airline in the US is in violation.
flyingron@reddit
Why, every plane I've been in either has it right by the passenger boarding door or the cockpit (except that the widebodies typically board further back).
AIRdomination@reddit
I feel like we must be living on different planets, then. I know the setup on our fleet (and our POI has zero issues), and you have me paranoid now and will be checking next time I go, but I’m almost certain.
That being said, you still haven’t explained why that’s the incorrect interpretation.
swakid8@reddit
There’s quite a few airliners I’ve operated where it was in the flight deck inside of the barrier door…
swakid8@reddit
Basic PPL stuff my man…
ThadonofFlying@reddit (OP)
I see. The way he stated domestic vs international had me second guessing if there was something I didn’t know about the international side. Thanks 🙏
YamComprehensive7186@reddit
All the above -ARROW plus license/medical/I.D. AND Mexican insurance if your flying to Old Mexico.
flyingron@reddit
Of course, the acronym is inane. You won't find weight and balance in the rules anywhere. It's only there because it's included in the "O".
Furhter O is somewhat incomplete. My airplane for example, has a bunch of STC's that mandate supplements to the non-existant flight manual (not required) and specifically also calls out that the pilots guides for various things be in the plane.
Magma86@reddit
All documents required by the FOM Flight Operations Manual
MeadyOker@reddit
You didn't say what country, so I'll be the American who thinks everything revolves around me and say .... pretty sure these are just the requirements from 91.203?
SPARROW - Supplements, Placards, Airworthiness Cert, Radio License, Registration, Operating Handbook, and Weight & Balance.
There may be additional documents required per the company's OPSPEC
Staying America First, 61.3 tells you what the pilot needs on them: Pilot cert, Gov't Issue phot ID, and Medical Certificate
ThadonofFlying@reddit (OP)
My bad, yes it is America. I am really more stumped on why he differentiated between domestic and international. I thought it would be more to it than just the radio station license, however I could be wrong.
theanswriz42@reddit
And CBP decal
flyingron@reddit
Only required for private aircraft. 19 CFR 123 excludes airliners (either carrying passengers or empty having transported passengers to/from the US) from such.
flyingron@reddit
As I pointed out before, international re
MeadyOker@reddit
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/ifim/intl_overview/
The pilot will also need a passport when flying international, so that's not in 61.3 which talks about flying domestic. However, you could use your passport as your Gov't Issue Photo ID.
ChiFxxd@reddit
DISPATCH RELEASE. Big change for the 121 world (I’m a dispatcher).
EliteEthos@reddit
Yikes
Ok_Witness179@reddit
They don't expect you to know internal company specific things. In fact, mentioning things that implies you know more than you should about internal stuff would be more likely to make them feel you cheated/over prepared, than to impress them.
It's not a trick question, it's just commercial level knowledge. Most people probably forget that you (well, at least one of the pilots) and the airplane both need a radio license for international.
If that standard answer doesn't suffice, there is 121 specific stuff you can know too, but I wouldn't offer it up unless they seem dissatisfied with the previous stuff (none of the airlines I interviewed for wanted me to mention these): QRH and QRC would be the only other thing I'd say you should maybe mention.
ThadonofFlying@reddit (OP)
That’s what I was thinking as well, just didn’t want to seem underprepared. Thanks 🙏
k12pcb@reddit
61.3
91.203
91.9
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Hello everyone, I recently completed an interview prep session with a regional, and the pilot said one of the first questions that may be asked is “what are the required personal and aircraft documents required onboard a flight, both domestic and international.” I was wondering if there is a universal answer that suffices the question. I don’t have access to company manuals as I am not apart of the company, but the question itself was rather difficult for me to know. Can anyone point me in the right direction or help me out?😅 TIA
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