The thing that bothers me about this whole thing is those with savant syndrome. That is technically considered autism now... even if you don't really present other symptoms of autism very strongly.
Isn't that his point? That it is a completely useless label now? Using the same label for someone so brain damaged they can't dress themselves and someone who is just a little socially awkward and neurodivergent is not a very useful label.
Most autistic people are too disabled to hold a job or live independently. So no, you are completely wrong and you illustrate the issue perfectly because you mistake the visibility of elite college students getting diagnoses to make their exams easier and then doubling down because it makes their life easier with the unseen majority, who you will never interact with because they can't tell you about how their mental disability is actually a superpower on Reddit.
The majority of autistic people are not capable of advocating for or even understanding their own condition.
Dude I literally work with autistic people for a living, (have my masters in special ed) and have done this for 6 years now
It’s you who has no idea what you’re talking about . It’s funny how therapists / doctors have decided on what qualifies as autism but random Redditors think they know better
The spectrum of cancer stretches from treatable to 3 month life expectancy. Is that too wide? Should we make a new special little name so the people with treatable cancer don’t have to associate with the terminal patients?
No, it's a stupid point, because there is a specific series of clinical definitions to follow, your not knowing them isn't fault of the professional people involved.
The only "correct" thing about this perspective is the objective fact that pretty much anything that involves the brain is subject to a certain degree of "shit is so complex, they resemble each other", but this doesn't only apply to syndromes like this.
Like, Alzheimer's is defined and classified as a "secondary tauopathy", meaning that its biological causes is misfolding of the tau protein and something else (amyloid beta btw). But even so, there is a lot of people that have concurrent copathologies, and there are costantly ongoing studies on how this might affect their symptoms and disease progression. The biggest of these is alpha-synuclein, which is usually the cause of Parkinson's.
Our brain is inherently a fucking mess to try and diagnose anything 100% clearly.
A skin tear and a gushing irreparable and complete decimated laceration are also both just physical inquires. But they're obviously very different levels of concern.
When saying that someone is autistic can mean anything from "they're just a little different in the way they think" to "they're completely unable to function", it seems like a term that isn't useful.
Having words to describe the different parts if the spectrum seems useful and beneficial. I'm not saying that was the case for asberger syndrome. I'm saying that it would be good though, for the sake of public understanding.
the term is still useful, but maybe not in that context.
Afaik there are some similarities on the level of brain function.
And sure, people lump all of the stuff together, but they always do. Illegals can mean anything from literal isis to a guy who just missed some stupid paperwork deadline, but ICE still would give those people a bad day regardless.
Gamer is also one of those things that mostly mean nothing because it's too wide, but still useful to a degree
Aspie here. In my country at least I'm categorized as "Autism Spectrum Disorder - Low Grade", I have the social benefits of a complete regard while only really being an antisocial asshole.
It’s not hard to understand. It’s like being gay. Some people aren’t gay at all. Some guys would let a femboy suck their cock but nothing else. Some would fuck a femboy. Some would fuck a regular dude but wouldn’t get fucked. Some would gobble cock and take it up the ass every day. But no, anon sees the world as black and white because he falls into the last category.
Well the guy it was named after was a Nazi. Plus giving the name Ass Burger to people who already have a hard time socializing and connecting with others does NOT help
Even within Asperger's (Now ASD-1) there is too wide of a spectrum.
As a teenager I was in a peer group therapy where I was in the same class of people as a guy who proudly explained his sexual experiences with a vacuum cleaner.
People who have learned to mask to the point of assimilation are no where near as autistic as people who are so blind to social cues that they have no shame.
Have you ever considered that person may just be fucking stupid? I guarantee you there are plenty of non autists who will gladly tell you about their sexual experiences with a vacuum. Pretty sure fucking household objects isnt on the diagnosis for autism.
It wasn't the action, but the lack of social awareness required to share that with a group of peers. I wouldn't suggest that fucking household objects is an autistic trait.
Bro is autistic and didn't get the reference another autist was making, so decided this guy was talking about fucking a vacuum cleaner for no real reason.
Honestly not surprised I was in a couple of that sort of class too and one kid spoke of his sexual fantasies about magenta from blue's clues more than once. This was in middle school. It made it weird when he would sit and watch blues clues during lunch, not that I ever sat with or near the guy. He was really good at racing games tho I will give him that.
This guy played like, one of the sports car ones mostly. I can't tell sports car racing games apart. Either was I was thoroughly impressed when I saw him do his thing but his comments about magenta were concerning to say the least.
I'm autistic and growing up I was in special education classes in elementary school that included a person with down syndrome and a kid who was borderline Terry Shiavo or braindead,really wrecked my self esteem as I had my issues with learning but I was nowhere near them intellectually and socially
I grew out of those classes and by high school I was in "normal" classes with a decent social life and such but I'll never forget the kids calling me a regard and stupid just cause I happened to be in a class with them 😞
It's frustrating that this category is gone now because autism has caveats that break what should be a formal diagnosis. I have almost all symptoms of autism but because I started speaking at 10 months old and had a theory of mind at a young age I'm technically not autistic
It’s a based opinion that many phd’s agree with. Just because autism is a spectrum doesn’t mean that different types can’t be segmented. There’s a big difference between a verbal and a nonverbal autistic person. Some autistic people can’t do basic things and some of them are savants. Why not narrow these things down when there are patterns?
So let's say you get a two people with all symptoms of Aspergers but one of them is verbal and one of them is non verbal. Do they have Asperger's or not?
By definition a person with Aspergers has average or above-average verbal development so your question makes no sense. If they were non-verbal they wouldn't have Aspergers.
Point being it may be too cumbersome to have one specific set of behaviors be labelled as one condition when more often than not it's a mix or spectrum. Do you want to come up with a new name for the aforementioned case where theyre 99% Asperger's but simply don't talk? What if they sometimes have eye contact but sometimes don't? People are very dynamic and making a super specific label for one case seems ridiculous when 99% of the symptoms is simply "autism."
My son is diagnosed level 2 for both social communication & interaction, and for repetitive patterns & behavior. But I think it's far too broad still, even with the 3 levels.
Yeah, spergies just wanna hold onto their special label instead of just being called “Level 1 Autists”, since they vomit at the thought of being associated with anyone slightly more autistic than them
read someone explain that making a difference between aspergers and full autists would be nazism, as it puts autists in different boxes based on their productivity. so i assume identity-politics-social-experiments had a say in this.
the criteria to distiguish between both are reasonable bc both have different everyday and therapeutic needs, arising out from different capabilities. and while im open for swapping the name (bc it doesnt matter), no harm is done by keeping it. to me it seems like some moral superiority profiling activity, that brings zero net worth to medicine or autists.
The kid that needs a helmet in public and the kid that memorizes every part in a diesel engine but refuses to eat butter are very different experiences
Chris Chan has finally met his arch nemesis. Well, his arch nemesis if you ignore Clyde Cash, and Liquid Chris, and the Idea Guys, and Isabella Loretta Janke, and basic human decency...
Everything is so pathologized these days. Imho if you don’t have to be medicated for your mental disorder then you probably shouldn’t make it your identity
I’m on a slew of medication for bipolar disorder, it interferes with my life to a considerable degree. It makes me angry how many people view mental health disorders as a game or an excuse. So many people just LARP having Autism or ADHD while other people have had their lives upended because of it
My brother has Asperger’s syndrome; he doesn’t make friends easy and doesn’t like being touched but he’s an upstanding and breathtakingly intelligent man. Not all autism is the same
Explaining the nuances between the types of autism to someone intolerant is equivalent to explaining the various Asian cultures to a racist : they don't care so don't bother.
So Aspergers is the Outdated term, its referred to as Autism Spectrum Disorder level 1, it is essentially the bare minimum to be considered autistic. More severe forms of autism are usually a combination of several different aspects of ASD-1 at a far greater intensity compared to ASD-1. For example, a lot of children with ASD-1 may take longer to begin speaking or interpersonal interaction, while with severe cases of autism, they may never be able to speak or properly interact with others. Though there are also several aspects of severe autism that don't overlap with asd-1.
I know people who think a slight quirk puts them on the spectrum. Liking things in specific ways/performing any type of ritual at all, specific hygiene habits, etc. Not liking specific textures. Literally all normal human things.
chicken-finger@reddit
The thing that bothers me about this whole thing is those with savant syndrome. That is technically considered autism now... even if you don't really present other symptoms of autism very strongly.
JustChillin3456@reddit
“All autists are drooling regards”
Anon is the true regard for not understanding it’s a spectrum
PseudocodeRed@reddit
Isn't that his point? That it is a completely useless label now? Using the same label for someone so brain damaged they can't dress themselves and someone who is just a little socially awkward and neurodivergent is not a very useful label.
JustChillin3456@reddit
Most autists are the social awkward
The screaming people who can’t dress themselves used to be called regarded
SufficientCalories@reddit
Most autistic people are too disabled to hold a job or live independently. So no, you are completely wrong and you illustrate the issue perfectly because you mistake the visibility of elite college students getting diagnoses to make their exams easier and then doubling down because it makes their life easier with the unseen majority, who you will never interact with because they can't tell you about how their mental disability is actually a superpower on Reddit.
The majority of autistic people are not capable of advocating for or even understanding their own condition.
Fire2xdxd@reddit
Bro has never met an autistic person
BertTF2@reddit
More likely they've met tons of them and had no idea
JustChillin3456@reddit
Dude I literally work with autistic people for a living, (have my masters in special ed) and have done this for 6 years now
It’s you who has no idea what you’re talking about . It’s funny how therapists / doctors have decided on what qualifies as autism but random Redditors think they know better
MikeHoteI@reddit
Yea the the sun is technically also on the heat spectrum. Dosent mean i expect a hot shower to be able to give me 3 degree burns.
OmegaZato@reddit
TheOleicOracle@reddit
Lmao wtf
yumstheman@reddit
It’s hard to see the shallow end when you’re drowning in the deep end.
bitcheslovedroids@reddit
OmegaZato@reddit
JustChillin3456@reddit
🔥✍️
SpaceBug176@reddit
https://i.redd.it/tokn4adn652h1.gif
Sauelsuesor729@reddit
That word has been so abused that anyone saying "spectrum" feels like a drooling libshit to me
b400k513@reddit
Personally, the word spectrum makes me picture a color wheel and each person is a point on the color wheel, but it's not like that.
The way it really works is more like a checklist, and the more boxes you check determines what level of severity/level of support needed is.
Sauelsuesor729@reddit
Quarterleper@reddit
This guy put his hands together 😭
alrightpal@reddit
You’re really smart bro. Ever considered running for president?
b400k513@reddit
I've only considered running from president.
dance_rattle_shake@reddit
You're regarded for completely missing anon's point. He's trying to illustrate that the spectrum is too damn wide.
PJ_2005_01@reddit
Spoken like someone who is too damn wide
Not_Just_Any_Lurker@reddit
UpboatOrNoBoat@reddit
Holy fuckin gottem
StrongLikeBull3@reddit
The spectrum of cancer stretches from treatable to 3 month life expectancy. Is that too wide? Should we make a new special little name so the people with treatable cancer don’t have to associate with the terminal patients?
Get a grip you fucking gimp.
Captainsnake04@reddit
we do. We have like 500 names for different cancers, some of which are more treatable than others.
StrongLikeBull3@reddit
But it’s all cancer.
YardHunter@reddit
Just because you’re ignorant doesn’t make your Point any more true
StrongLikeBull3@reddit
Yes it does actually.
theironbagel@reddit
We have different names for different severities of autism too
Hyperversum@reddit
No, it's a stupid point, because there is a specific series of clinical definitions to follow, your not knowing them isn't fault of the professional people involved.
The only "correct" thing about this perspective is the objective fact that pretty much anything that involves the brain is subject to a certain degree of "shit is so complex, they resemble each other", but this doesn't only apply to syndromes like this.
Like, Alzheimer's is defined and classified as a "secondary tauopathy", meaning that its biological causes is misfolding of the tau protein and something else (amyloid beta btw). But even so, there is a lot of people that have concurrent copathologies, and there are costantly ongoing studies on how this might affect their symptoms and disease progression. The biggest of these is alpha-synuclein, which is usually the cause of Parkinson's.
Our brain is inherently a fucking mess to try and diagnose anything 100% clearly.
JustChillin3456@reddit
His point is literally what I just said
Asperger’s and autism are basically the same thing which is why they are now identified as such
zu-na-mi@reddit
A skin tear and a gushing irreparable and complete decimated laceration are also both just physical inquires. But they're obviously very different levels of concern.
When saying that someone is autistic can mean anything from "they're just a little different in the way they think" to "they're completely unable to function", it seems like a term that isn't useful.
Having words to describe the different parts if the spectrum seems useful and beneficial. I'm not saying that was the case for asberger syndrome. I'm saying that it would be good though, for the sake of public understanding.
JustChillin3456@reddit
“ a word for someone who is unable to function”
Yea there was a word for that and now I can’t say it without it being auto removed
Arstanishe@reddit
the term is still useful, but maybe not in that context. Afaik there are some similarities on the level of brain function.
And sure, people lump all of the stuff together, but they always do. Illegals can mean anything from literal isis to a guy who just missed some stupid paperwork deadline, but ICE still would give those people a bad day regardless. Gamer is also one of those things that mostly mean nothing because it's too wide, but still useful to a degree
UncleKeyPax@reddit
linus wouldmlike to talkntonyou about hard R words
Sofagirrl79@reddit
As an autistic person thank you!
PGSylphir@reddit
Aspie here. In my country at least I'm categorized as "Autism Spectrum Disorder - Low Grade", I have the social benefits of a complete regard while only really being an antisocial asshole.
drak0ni@reddit
It’s not hard to understand. It’s like being gay. Some people aren’t gay at all. Some guys would let a femboy suck their cock but nothing else. Some would fuck a femboy. Some would fuck a regular dude but wouldn’t get fucked. Some would gobble cock and take it up the ass every day. But no, anon sees the world as black and white because he falls into the last category.
Jamgull@reddit
It’s fine, anon doesn’t understand what a spectrum is and refuses to learn because he’s definitely not an idiot.
slop_spotter@reddit
Well the guy it was named after was a Nazi. Plus giving the name Ass Burger to people who already have a hard time socializing and connecting with others does NOT help
quikonthedrawl@reddit
It’s just mean
https://youtu.be/ii6MqLRpaJo
ABVerageJoe69@reddit
Even within Asperger's (Now ASD-1) there is too wide of a spectrum.
As a teenager I was in a peer group therapy where I was in the same class of people as a guy who proudly explained his sexual experiences with a vacuum cleaner.
People who have learned to mask to the point of assimilation are no where near as autistic as people who are so blind to social cues that they have no shame.
InquisitorMeow@reddit
Have you ever considered that person may just be fucking stupid? I guarantee you there are plenty of non autists who will gladly tell you about their sexual experiences with a vacuum. Pretty sure fucking household objects isnt on the diagnosis for autism.
ABVerageJoe69@reddit
It wasn't the action, but the lack of social awareness required to share that with a group of peers. I wouldn't suggest that fucking household objects is an autistic trait.
TurretLimitHenry@reddit
You met Doofy from scary movie?
wompod@reddit
Bro is autistic and didn't get the reference another autist was making, so decided this guy was talking about fucking a vacuum cleaner for no real reason.
ABVerageJoe69@reddit
No, I assure you. Man literally experimented sexually with a vacuum attachment.
DefinitelyNotDonny@reddit
Don’t knock it til you try it
wompod@reddit
Honestly not surprised I was in a couple of that sort of class too and one kid spoke of his sexual fantasies about magenta from blue's clues more than once. This was in middle school. It made it weird when he would sit and watch blues clues during lunch, not that I ever sat with or near the guy. He was really good at racing games tho I will give him that.
ABVerageJoe69@reddit
Lmao. I was god-tier at MK64 and once was a mentor to a boy with ASD-1 in a group home. He was king of racing games in that youth shelter.
wompod@reddit
This guy played like, one of the sports car ones mostly. I can't tell sports car racing games apart. Either was I was thoroughly impressed when I saw him do his thing but his comments about magenta were concerning to say the least.
ABVerageJoe69@reddit
Probably Gran Tourismo AKA Gran Autismo
wompod@reddit
Probably. Was that a thing in like 2010 ish?
Sofagirrl79@reddit
I'm autistic and growing up I was in special education classes in elementary school that included a person with down syndrome and a kid who was borderline Terry Shiavo or braindead,really wrecked my self esteem as I had my issues with learning but I was nowhere near them intellectually and socially
I grew out of those classes and by high school I was in "normal" classes with a decent social life and such but I'll never forget the kids calling me a regard and stupid just cause I happened to be in a class with them 😞
Zermist@reddit
It's frustrating that this category is gone now because autism has caveats that break what should be a formal diagnosis. I have almost all symptoms of autism but because I started speaking at 10 months old and had a theory of mind at a young age I'm technically not autistic
thermitethrowaway@reddit
Go on...
poodlypoodle@reddit
It's a shame that the people in charge of classification didn't take OP's half-thought opinion into consideration 😞
paycadicc@reddit
It’s a based opinion that many phd’s agree with. Just because autism is a spectrum doesn’t mean that different types can’t be segmented. There’s a big difference between a verbal and a nonverbal autistic person. Some autistic people can’t do basic things and some of them are savants. Why not narrow these things down when there are patterns?
InquisitorMeow@reddit
So let's say you get a two people with all symptoms of Aspergers but one of them is verbal and one of them is non verbal. Do they have Asperger's or not?
vobaveas@reddit
By definition a person with Aspergers has average or above-average verbal development so your question makes no sense. If they were non-verbal they wouldn't have Aspergers.
InquisitorMeow@reddit
Point being it may be too cumbersome to have one specific set of behaviors be labelled as one condition when more often than not it's a mix or spectrum. Do you want to come up with a new name for the aforementioned case where theyre 99% Asperger's but simply don't talk? What if they sometimes have eye contact but sometimes don't? People are very dynamic and making a super specific label for one case seems ridiculous when 99% of the symptoms is simply "autism."
Tequila_Sunset_Disco@reddit
But they are segmented, when you get an autism diagnosis you're put into one of 3 different levels based off support needs
TheOleicOracle@reddit
My son is diagnosed level 2 for both social communication & interaction, and for repetitive patterns & behavior. But I think it's far too broad still, even with the 3 levels.
Evil-Fucking-Wizard@reddit
Yeah, spergies just wanna hold onto their special label instead of just being called “Level 1 Autists”, since they vomit at the thought of being associated with anyone slightly more autistic than them
b2hcy0@reddit
read someone explain that making a difference between aspergers and full autists would be nazism, as it puts autists in different boxes based on their productivity. so i assume identity-politics-social-experiments had a say in this.
Darkndankpit@reddit
It's more that we don't wanna give name-credit to the Nazi scientist who originally set the criteria.
I think it's kinda fair since he was setting different criteria for "which ones to keep" to summarize it.
b2hcy0@reddit
the criteria to distiguish between both are reasonable bc both have different everyday and therapeutic needs, arising out from different capabilities. and while im open for swapping the name (bc it doesnt matter), no harm is done by keeping it. to me it seems like some moral superiority profiling activity, that brings zero net worth to medicine or autists.
Smooth_Monkey69420@reddit
The kid that needs a helmet in public and the kid that memorizes every part in a diesel engine but refuses to eat butter are very different experiences
awesomea04@reddit
Chris Chan has finally met his arch nemesis. Well, his arch nemesis if you ignore Clyde Cash, and Liquid Chris, and the Idea Guys, and Isabella Loretta Janke, and basic human decency...
Super_Raccoon_2890@reddit
I forgot that guy existed until now
seanthebeloved@reddit
She’s a woman
AbadeersGhost@reddit
"She" raped "her" mom
Super_Raccoon_2890@reddit
Right
flipswab@reddit
Fun fact: Liquid Chris is two people.
jewllybeenz@reddit
Everything is so pathologized these days. Imho if you don’t have to be medicated for your mental disorder then you probably shouldn’t make it your identity
I’m on a slew of medication for bipolar disorder, it interferes with my life to a considerable degree. It makes me angry how many people view mental health disorders as a game or an excuse. So many people just LARP having Autism or ADHD while other people have had their lives upended because of it
heqra@reddit
wait till this guy figures out about those light switches that dim. ITS EITHER ON OR OFF WHAT THE FUCK IS A SPECTRUN
Princeofdolalmroth68@reddit
My brother has Asperger’s syndrome; he doesn’t make friends easy and doesn’t like being touched but he’s an upstanding and breathtakingly intelligent man. Not all autism is the same
MikeHoteI@reddit
NGL based
OoopsWhoopsie@reddit
As someone with Autism (formerly Asperger's)...anon is totally right. It's fucked up.
KerryFatAssBro@reddit
I know of a mother fucker who would agree with anon on this one.
sm753@reddit
I mean...it's a spectrum and all.
baz4k6z@reddit
Explaining the nuances between the types of autism to someone intolerant is equivalent to explaining the various Asian cultures to a racist : they don't care so don't bother.
Evil-Fucking-Wizard@reddit
Anon is too highly regarded to use current nomenclature, sperg rages about it.
gjb94@reddit
So is the difference between Aspergers and other autism purely severity?
GerardWayIll@reddit
So Aspergers is the Outdated term, its referred to as Autism Spectrum Disorder level 1, it is essentially the bare minimum to be considered autistic. More severe forms of autism are usually a combination of several different aspects of ASD-1 at a far greater intensity compared to ASD-1. For example, a lot of children with ASD-1 may take longer to begin speaking or interpersonal interaction, while with severe cases of autism, they may never be able to speak or properly interact with others. Though there are also several aspects of severe autism that don't overlap with asd-1.
In short, Yes and no.
AdorableDonkey@reddit
I'm a sperg and anon is right
Putting everything under "autism spectre" umbrella is pure virtue signaling that makes shit more confusing
awolkriblo@reddit
I know people who think a slight quirk puts them on the spectrum. Liking things in specific ways/performing any type of ritual at all, specific hygiene habits, etc. Not liking specific textures. Literally all normal human things.
PanAthens@reddit
ghost that lectures you about the history of various European flag designs and what its favorite kind of tank is
LeatherDescription26@reddit
Tbh it’s not like saying you have Asperger’s was any better.
Where I live they treat you like a drooling regard if you have ANY diagnosis so you have to keep it to yourself best you can
Ok_Charity_707@reddit
Did he mean ass burgers syndrome?