Volvo Station Wagons Could Return Within 5 Years, CEO Hints: 'We Will Not Only Have SUVs'
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Uptons_BJs@reddit
I'll believe it when I see it - How many wagons were they selling before they discontinued them anyways?
Rohkii@reddit
A good portion of this was self inflicted I feel, dealers were stocking nothing but XC40s and XC60s, I was looking in 2021-2022 on and every dealer said I had to order one to test.
Wagon desire has died down but also companies just dont want to sell them.
Doesnt help when they give us a wagon is 60K+ too while the comparable SUV starts 20k cheaper.
frankchn@reddit
SUVs are better than wagons in all the ways that the general car buying public cares about (better visibility, better ingress, etc...) while the downsides nowadays are minimized (XC60 B5 gets 23/29 mpg, while the V60 B5 gets 24/31 mpg), so I am not surprised that SUVs sell much better and dealers would stock those more.
Ranra100374@reddit
Disagree. You're more likely to kill a kid (especially your own kid) in your driveway with a SUV vs a station wagon because you couldn't see them. Although I guess it could be argued how important that is to people, since not everyone has kids.
I think I agree that perception drives a lot of the preference—SUVs feel more commanding and 'visible,' which is what people respond to. I just don’t think that necessarily lines up with actual visibility in all the ways people care about, especially close-range stuff like pedestrians or kids in front.
Ranra100374@reddit
Disagree. You're more likely to kill a kid in your driveway with a SUV vs a station wagon because you couldn't see them. Although I guess it could be argued how important that is to people, since not everyone has kids.
frankchn@reddit
It doesn’t have to be real, the perception of better visibility is what matters to buyers.
Ranra100374@reddit
I think I agree that perception drives a lot of the preference—SUVs feel more commanding and 'visible,' which is what people respond to. I just don’t think that necessarily lines up with actual visibility in all the ways people care about, especially close-range stuff like pedestrians or kids in front.
WyrdHarper@reddit
I have two Volvo dealers near me and it was impossible to get test drives for the V90 or V60 because they'd stock 1 or 2 at a time and they'd sell out almost instantly.
franksandbeans911@reddit
At the time I got my S90 (2003 or so), it was a coin toss between that and a V90, but the V was nowhere in the state that I could find. Still, the s90 is criminally underrated, and rare, you will almost never see them on the roads. S60's every day, no 90's and it's a shame.
lee1026@reddit
The comparable SUV is likely shorter and lighter. While new cars isn't quite sold by the pound, they are pretty close to sold by the pound.
SophistXIII@reddit
Correct - I wanted a V60 Recharge but my local dealer said they were special order only
purz@reddit
And the dealers will also sit on wagons waiting for the guy that’s finally desperate enough. New and used ones. That’s mostly why I gave up on trying to get any of them. Just an overall bad shopping experience because they’re rare.
trail-g62Bim@reddit
Makes sense. At some point the demand goes down enough that it just doesn't justify your time and $$ to deal with them.
And lack of demand might explain some of this too.
rootbeer123@reddit
They sold about 3500 of the V60 P* in the US before they gave up after the 25 MY.
unsaltedbutter@reddit
Listen, Toyota has brought a wagon to the US and it barely sells. Volvo isn't bringing the wagon back.
Crash458@reddit
What wagon did Toyota bring to the U.S recently?
iRobert1989@reddit
This is a theory I have… Minivans became popular because the then parents at the time didn’t want to drive what their parents drove, which was a station wagon. Flip a few years later and the SUV replaces the minivan because that generation, again didn’t want to drive what their parents drove. A lot of my millennial friends with kids opted for crossovers, despite the fact that a minivan is way more practical with its sliding doors. I think we’ll come full circle again and the sedan and station wagon will become popular again because again the next generation doesn’t want to drive what their parents drove. Albeit in gas, electric, and hybrid forms.
MidnightRiders2009@reddit
SUVs/Crossovers have been dominant for 30 years now, and I've been hearing how they'll go out of style for a full 10 years now.
strongmanass@reddit
That's a good general point but there's an important competing historical trend. The crossover ride height has been dominant for most of the history of the car. From Karl Benz until WWII cars were tall. The 1927-1930 Le Mans winner looked like this.
Small, low-slung cars didn't become dominant until the 1950s-1960s, and even then crossover-sized cars continued to be popular until the fuel crisis. Then there were about 30 years of sedan dominance, and then the tall car gained popularity again.
So the question of the current buying generation rejecting their parents' form factor is balanced against a longer-standing historical pendulum swing between low-slung and high-riding cars.
Drzhivago138@reddit
I can’t agree, if only because all the fellow Millennials I know with kids drive CUVs, SUVs, pickups, and the occasional minivan. They do not want low cars.
leedle1234@reddit
Why hasn't the counterculture thing happened for crossovers yet then? They've been outselling cars for like 20 years, plenty of people sat this point grew up in the backseat or passenger seat of one now are buying new cars and they are all buying crossovers too.
Hustletron@reddit
Spot on.
This is why I have my Allroad and want a Buzz.
FourEyesAndThighs@reddit
ID.Buzz was great in theory, terrible in execution. 200 mile range for $75K is a death sentence for any EV.
PedanticBoutBaseball@reddit
You're almost at the point but slightly off.
They were never actually expecting it to become popular as an ACTUAL off-grid "van-life" EV.
Especially at the cost, they were just trying to sell the, well-to-do crunchy granola, former-hipster, "rainbow capitalism" types on the idea that they are still in-fact cool and that "yes, your 9-5 finance/consulting class job and weekend roadtrips with Braxtyyyn to his travel league baseball games ARE compatible with your idealized version of the Don Henley/VW Bus generation" and "No you are not a sellout, this product we sell is a symbol of your undying alligence to being different"
But they forgot that even slightly well-to-do early 40s late 30s former "stomp, clap, hey" hipsters who have moved to the suburbs probably cant afford a 75k starting car and those in that age group who CAN probably have little to no appeal for it and would rather buy like a Grand Wagoneer or something more gaudy.
iRobert1989@reddit
Sounds like a great garage to me. Then again we have a B9 S4 and a mk 6 GTI in our garage.
Hard_NOP_Life@reddit
I think this is going to take a lot longer than previous flips, if it happens. Manufacturers build what new car buyers want, and the average age of new car buyers just keeps going up.
Hell, buyers aged 18-34 made up less than 10% of new car registrations in Q1 2025, and people over 55 accounted for 48%. Even among that 18-34 group, the most popular choice was compact SUVs (i.e. crossovers): source.
I don't see it changing in the near term, given the relatively poor economic outlook for future generations. Maybe we'll see a shift towards smaller vehicles again because of fuel costs if they stay persistently high; but it seems more likely to me that younger demographics will stay priced out of new vehicles and older folks will just shift to hybrid/BEV crossovers.
lee1026@reddit
The SUV era is already longer than the minivan and station wagon eras, combined.
Wonderful-Ring7697@reddit
Most of these companies “SUVs” are just hatchbacks or lifted station wagons
_jagwaz@reddit
If they make gas ones I would probably actually buy it
woowoo293@reddit
Yes. And with a manual transmission. And AWD. And under $40,000. And a tape cassette player.
But just take care of those things, and I'm all on board!
bikedork5000@reddit
Joke all you want, if they made an ICE AWD manual wagon under $60k they would have my attention.
RacerKaiser@reddit
Since at 60k i dont think you're expecting a v8, sounds to me like you are describing a v60 to a T, but manual.
wonder if one could manual swap one of those.
franksandbeans911@reddit
Since they never made a manual for the T5 or T6 recently, I doubt it, but it would be cool.
I remember ages ago, some distant family members had one with a manual and the spiderman headrests. I liked it back then.
Hoooooooar@reddit
Volvo spaceball ftw
Bluecolt@reddit
And if they made a performance variant under $80K they'd have mine too.
Nickelnuts@reddit
Amen brother
MaraudingWalrus@reddit
Flair checks out
Godzilla2y@reddit
And brown, and used from the factory!
UmaThurmish@reddit
also a miata
JaredsBored@reddit
Modern Volvo driver - I tried. I ended up with a 22' s60 because the v60 was nonexistent if you didn't want a base front wheel drive 200hp version, or the $60-70+ T8 polestar.
I bought a high option T6 S60 because there wasn't a v60 available anywhere.
franksandbeans911@reddit
Same problem I had when I bought my XC60. I thought the 40 was a better size, overall, but maxed out at the T5 and it was wimpy. Could have been fun.
XC60 T6 has been a good choice but as usual. it could use more power. The T8 looks amazing on paper, and for short commutes, the battery-only could handle that saving a ton on gas for home-work and work-home trips each week. The heaps of hp and torque that come with that arrangement wouldn't hurt either. :) Only thing I miss from the S90 I had previously is the stereo system. It was a phenomenal (expensive) option, not even available in the 60 I got, and the HK system is just adequate; not winning awards but not sounding bad either.
Now picture the V90 station wagon with the T8 powertrain. That sounds like a hoot.
CoooooooooookieCrisp@reddit
Drove one of the XC60 T8 Polestar trims for 3 days. It was very fun and even though the battery only was pretty short, it was long enough for my commute if I got one. In the sport/high performance mode or whatever, it was very fun to drive and felt pretty similar to my SQ5. Would consider it for a replacement for sure...though the head unit is kind of annoying.
Dr__Nick@reddit
Those always sounded like mechanical / electrical nightmares to own long term to me.
JaredsBored@reddit
I really hope Volvo is watching the values of v60 Polestar and considering what wagons to make next. V60 Polestars have become crazy, crazy money since they were discontinued.
And that says nothing of the success that Audi for example has had with the RS6
franksandbeans911@reddit
Since we drive the exact same thing, which trim did you get? I got an inscription, and I can't even decode their trim tiers now.
JaredsBored@reddit
I've got an R-Design. I've got no idea what the new trims mean tbh, I'm out of the loop and not all that interested now that S60 and V60 are discontinued.
I kind of wish I had went inscription. The biggest differences for me at the time were the wheels (I really like the optional 19in R-Design wheels) and the seats. The R-Design seats are great if you're a very certain body size. I've lost a good bit of weight and fit perfectly now, but when I bought it, the seat bolstering wasn't ideal. If I could get R-Design wheels on an outsider high spec Inscription, that would've been ideal.
It's so dumb that advanced package wasn't standard or common when they made these. Pilot Assist was a nonnegotiable for me (I do most of my miles on long, boring, straight Midwest highways) and the 360 camera is really nice to have.
franksandbeans911@reddit
Yeah, I have really learned to appreciate Pilot Assist in bumper-to-bumper traffic also. I lock it at 25 and it'll come to a complete stop, and keep going again when people move. Such a hassle remover. That and, like you said, eating hundreds of miles on long stretches of featureless flat highway. I've seen people smash a half-full plastic water bottle into the steering wheel to trick it also.
Camera is also a treat, and the sweep the leg Danielson way of opening the rear hatch makes it easy to load with two hands full. Once you learn the trigger is straight down from the V in the rear logo, bam, every time.
I think it was the Polestar of this year that made me laugh, with manually adjustable Ohlins. Who's out wrenching on their struts before and after different events, especially when Toyota/Lexus has been adding sport/comfort modes via servos on shock tower tops and valved shocks for decades? I think BMW too among others.
Pergatory@reddit
I was wrestling with a similar dilemma, ended up deciding a 4-banger Volvo is definitely still a Volvo so I went with the V60 Cross Country to get the AWD drivetrain. No regrets, it's a fantastic car with more than enough power.
I also lucked out and got an absolute unicorn, V60 Cross Country with Polestar Engineering package, something I'd tried and failed to locate (Volvo said you can't get it on the Cross Country) then somehow ended up with one anyway. Arrived at the lot to pick up my car and lo and behold, Polestar badge. I just about filled my pants.
If it just had a manual/standard instead of an automatic, it would be pretty much perfect.
reddit_hater@reddit
I could see a CD player, but Tape cassette? Why?
Bearlodge@reddit
It's a running gag about how according to Reddit, the most popular car a company could possibly make is a diesel, manual, AWD, brown station wagon with no fancy electronics, just A/C and a tape deck.
reddit_hater@reddit
Oh lol well I didn’t get the reference. Thanks for bringing me up to speed
Users5252@reddit
Need 1.9tdi too
LanceFree@reddit
And the boxy style
RabidBlackSquirrel@reddit
Minus the manual unless you get one of the rare Euro configs, you just described my 124 4matic wagon! Bluetooth tape adapters are pretty great and let me use the original tape deck with my modern Spotify addiction.
woowoo293@reddit
Although from your own post several years ago, that car stickered for about $60k when new decades ago, and would cost twice that today.
(when I googled the car, your old post was one of the top results)
RabidBlackSquirrel@reddit
Sure, but for the car buyer of today they're pretty affordable. Even the 4matic parts prices aren't too bad, it's availability that's the problem.
Even sparing no expense sorting it, I'm maybe $25k all in. Like for like, new is cheaper compared to years of yore (E class to E class). Just wish there was more of an entry level, $30k-$40k new wagon option on the menu instead of everything starting at $50k. That whole market segment just evaporated and got replaced by old used. I'd love something like a Mazda 3 wagon new if it existed.
reward72@reddit
I'd buy a manual AWD ICE Volvo wagon for $60K with a modern sound system. For real. But noooo... we can't have what we want.
mikupoiss@reddit
I mean… if you want to make a joke, at least check the target audience.
lurpeli@reddit
Good old /r/cars reminding me why America is so far behind the world with its irrational hatred of electrical vehicles
psimwork@reddit
I don't hate electric vehicles. I hate the fucking whiplash:
2023
Car companies: "Our company is going all-in on electric vehicles. We will produce our entire care lineup as electric by 20XX. Oh and every one of them will be announced at $50,000+ and by the time they hit the market, they will all be at $75,000+."
Dealers: "Err - that's before our $20,000 market add-on. Thank you!"
2025
Car companies: "Electric vehicle demand is basically non-existent. This has everything to do with consumer desire, and nothing to do with the fact that the administration has basically made EVs the enemy of the American public, canceled all tax benefits to encourage their use, and given the impression that EVs will sodomize their daughter. It also has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we thought we could get everyone and their brother to pay $75K+ for an EV, and that our brand carried the same prestige as Tesla, which also led us to believe that we could start charging for features and subscriptions that we never would have believed possible. Also it has absolutely nothing to do with the corrupt dealer system that allows the price of EVs to shoot up by as much as 50% with no warning just because a vehicle has some sort of popularity. No. In this case - Americans just don't want EVs, and our company is cancelling ALL EV plans going forward. And we will happily offer to shit on any vehicle that anyone that has bought one already wants to return, and provide a sledgehammer in-case they'd like to smash it, because of how much the public hates EVs."
It's like, FFS can we just get some level-headed fucking responses, please? Can we get an EV in a couple different vehicle classes from companies to slow-roll adoption and not try to go to board meetings being like "WE'RE GOING TO DO [X] 10,000%!!! AND EVERY VEHICLE WILL CARRY A GP OF 99.9%!!! STOCK LINE GO UP!!!", please?
TheSpreader@reddit
If you can charge at home, fast charge times are largely irrelevant except on road trips. Also, most of our fast charging stops on road trips are around 20 minutes or less. The math changes if you live in an apartment and can't charge at home, but otherwise it's pretty obvious why it's catching on so well worldwide.
psimwork@reddit
Road trips is exactly why I mentioned they're great as long as you have a secondary gas vehicle.
I don't think the charge times on road trips can be completely ignored. Sure, along the interstate, fast charge stations should be plentiful, but a couple hundred miles off of one? Finding a fast station could be difficult if not impossible. Worse yet, finding a charging station at all could prove difficult.
It ain't a complete dealbreaker, but for me personally I would not be comfortable with ONLY having an EV option, though I do want one as our primary "tool around town" option.
TheSpreader@reddit
We've used an EV exclusively for road trips the 4 years we've owned it. The Odyssey sits at home. Does it take longer in the EV? A bit. But it hasn't really been a big deal. Especially traveling with kids, we stop a lot anyway. Infrastructure matters, and there is certainly room for improvement, but it's probably better in most places in the US already than you realize.
WyrdHarper@reddit
The EV infrastructure is such a major issue for many parts of the country. There's a bunch of state parks that are within a few hours drive of us that make for good day or weekend trips (making somewhere between 200-400 miles round trip). There's not enough EV infrastructure to get there and back (and most don't support EV charging. Several have very large, angry signs warning that their power grid does not support EV vehicles because people have tried and caused issues) for most EV's (at least using ABRP), especially if you're in conditions where efficiency is lower.
That makes them a non-starter for exactly the type of person who probably would support EV's from an environmental standpoint (not to mention some of the issues with how current battery chemistries are sourced, although that is improving with newer technologies). If I could get a relatively well-priced EV with enough range to do our weekend activities I'd buy one in a heartbeat. There's more EV's now that can get 300 miles real-world, but there aren't a lot, and many of those are expensive and/or much bigger than I need.
psimwork@reddit
Yeah this is actually why I mention that I think they're great as a secondary vehicle (or rather that the EV becomes a primary vehicle for errands/commute/around-town transportation, and an ICE/Hybrid is also kept for situations when going into an area with infrastructure that will not support a pure EV).
The infrastructure part is especially interesting to me since I saw an article (I think in this very subreddit) within the last week that had a headline that said, effectively, "faster EV charging is coming - but our vehicles aren't ready". And I'm sitting there thinking, "err...not for nothing, but I think our power delivery not being ready is as-big of an issue as supported cars."
Like, I remember circa 2023 the company I work for was having discussions with companies like ITT Cannon with regards to possible power connectors for electric cargo trucks. These things were pretty crazy - one connector I saw would have had a LARGE, heavy gauge cable hanging from some sort of boom-crane, and the user would then insert this connector (the thing was like 6" in diameter) into the cargo truck charging port (one would hope/assume that the cable itself would be armored/trapped to prevent theft/destruction in-order to get at the metal inside).
I had asked at the time, whether or not the power delivery was in-place to start supporting anywhere from 1-20 semi-trucks charging their batteries, assuming this wasn't going to be a situation where the battery itself was changed out. The response I got, basically, was that the infrastructure was DEFINITELY not there already, and as far as whether it WOULD be, well, that was someone else's problem.
I remember that they were talking about the charge rate of semi trucks was going to be like 150kW at minimum, and as much as like 1.5MW per truck. And I remember thinking, how the HELL were they planning on being able to supply as much as 30MW of power to every truck stop along the interstate.
Clearly since the long-range EV semi hasn't taken off, nobody else has figured this out either.
lee1026@reddit
Power delivery isn't an issue. You leave a battery at the EV charger, slowly charge that up, and when a car pulls up, you dump power from the battery into the car.
It's fine, batteries are cheap.
psimwork@reddit
That's actually why I mentioned cases of the battery itself being changed.
That said, while swapping the battery out can mitigate SOME of the power delivery issues, IMO it doesn't come close to solving it completely and it creates other problems.
First, there's a question of demand - if you've got, say, 10 batteries ready to go, 10 on charging ports, and 30 vehicles pop in needing batteries, you're now kinda saddled with 10 people waiting for batteries to be charged, and another 10 that will be waiting for a full power charge for those 10 batteries that are waiting for the current round of units to be charged to subsequently be charged, all limited by power delivery and charging. The leaving behind of batteries does provide a buffer for the power delivery limitation, but it doesn't solve it.
Secondly, I dunno if I'd agree that batteries are cheap. The component price for an EV battery in the 100kWh range tends to run about $125/kWh. An electric Semi battery (at least the ones of which I'm aware of) tend to be about 600kWh. I don't know what the pricing would be like at scale in a swap operation, but at that pricing, it would be about $75k per battery. So not exactly cheap.
And with $75k/battery, it creates a question - who owns the battery? The swapping station? The owner of the truck? What happens if you have a brand new battery and you stop for a "fuel-up" and they swap you out for a battery where half the cells are toast?
lee1026@reddit
You are not swapping the battery. You have a big battery as part of the charging station, and you pull power from it for the 1.5mw or whatever.
The charger station have its own batteries. The car have its batteries. Neither batteries ever move - just power from one to the other.
This is already standard on all superchargers. Nobody have the power flows for the entire bank of superchargers at full power.
psimwork@reddit
Ahh! You're right I misunderstood what you were saying. A battery to hold a charge is definitely a better way to go than swapping out batteries.
LlamaChair@reddit
Bottom trim Ioniq 6 has an estimated range of 360 miles and they're nice and cheap used. Folks are reasonably concerned about the ICCU issues but those now have a very extended warranty.
I ended up with one since there aren't a lot of sedan options for EVs in the US. I'm loving it so far, but when I had the option to take it on a road trip this last weekend I did opt to take an ICE car instead. Didn't want my first road trip to run into issues I had to figure out and get to the camp site after dark... So yeah I get that part.
lumpialarry@reddit
FWIW, covid did a number on all cars. How many people walked away with a $19,995 Ford Maverick or $40,000 Ford Bronco.
psimwork@reddit
Absolutely. However, the dealer markups specifically on EVs were higher than ICE vehicles, and remained that way for longer as well. Heck, just a few months ago, when a lot of the automakers were reporting that they were shuttering their EV options, I walked on to a lot and saw an ADM STILL attached to an EV, and they weren't on any of the other vehicles.
That was the other crazy thing about the pandemic times (and slightly after) - car dealerships saw what people were willing to pay for a car, so they held on to their ADMs a LOT longer, because they were like, "meh. SOMEONE will pay it. Might take six months to clear the car from the lot, but at some point, if someone wants this car badly enough, they'll pay it."
xt1nct@reddit
Don’t you worry if the gas prices get to $7 a gallon many will reconsider.
I recently bought a pilot…..I plan on only keeping for 3 years tops, then going full EV. I can suck it up for two longer road trips a year and other vacations I can fly to.
Curly4Jefferson@reddit
Have a 2018 Mazda and a 30 year old Ford Ranger, hoping the Telo truck doesn't end up being vaporware and I can replace both with it in a few years
lumpialarry@reddit
Our hate is perfectly rational. Economics don't work out with our gas prices and we don't want to be looking for a charger in some spooky Children of the Corn town when on a road trip.
dth1717@reddit
The reason most Americans don't like EVs is because long trips in most of them is kinda dumb. If I want to go on vacation to the Michigan up it's an 7-10 hour drive. You can't tow with them . Then it's a constant looking for a charger
karankshah@reddit
Spending 2x as much on gas for the full time you own a car seems like a poor trade off for the once a month road trip or the occasional tow. You can just rent trucks too! A week of fuel savings offsets the cost of renting a truck! It’s not magic!
dayvieee@reddit
I have an EV and I don’t like using the EV for longer road trips either. I’m ok with doing one charging stop on a roadtrip but anymore I’m driving gas. I live in California so there are chargers everywhere but finding one that’s open close to your route, well that’s the fun part.
K_R_A_K_E_N_540@reddit
I've been on 7000km+ trips with my Model Y rwd ( smallest range Tesla in the past 5 years ) yet I managed to perfection. 7-10 hr drive is a walk in the park
FourEyesAndThighs@reddit
My EV has 340 miles of range and I charge at home for free using solar energy credits. I think I'll somehow manage.
Elvis1404@reddit
Most of the world hates EVs, outside of China and some Scandinavian Countries
_jagwaz@reddit
irrational hatred because I don’t have an interest in buying a certain product?
nforrest@reddit
I was going to say if they make an EV one, I would be interested.
ipullstuffapart@reddit
Exactly this is why Volvo wasn't on my list of cars to buy. They didn't offer an electric V70 or V90 in my country. If they did, they would've had my money. Instead they were surprised that nobody was buying their station wagons and pulled them out of the market instead.
Zonged@reddit
lol same, a high performance EV Volvo station wagon would be amazing
franksandbeans911@reddit
If Geely makes one, it's just a badge swap away, for Volvo. But I don't think Geely makes an "estate". Best they did so far was some -L configuration in the S90 which deleted the front passenger seat for more legroom for your highness in back...and replaced the seat with a shoe warmer box, so you always had a toasty fresh pair of shoes ready.
Because when you're 5' 5" legroom is everything.
wwwhatisgoingon@reddit
Good news, they do. The Zeekr 7GT.
https://www.electrifying.com/reviews/zeekr/7-gt/review
Also the Polestar 4 has an upcoming estate version.
Castrol-5w30@reddit
eV70 R
It's right there, Volvo. The freaks who lusted after those, and saw James May take one through Africa, now have money and are interested in EVs.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
I mean, the V60 existed all the way up until basically right now, it just ended production, you could probably buy that car at a dealer still today.
_jagwaz@reddit
I thought they got discontinued back in like 2020. I did debate on financing a lightly used one before I ended up with outright purchasing an e91 instead.
PurpleSausage77@reddit
“Best I can do is 6000lb hybrid chonkers”
XSC@reddit
I might buy an XC70 or V60/90 next year. Just love the look
DameOClock@reddit
I just want another C30. I’d buy one day one, not use my dealer group’s employee discount, and even finance it through VCFS.
UmaThurmish@reddit
except its gonna come back lifted like an SUV.
TheSexyKamil@reddit
Exactly what we need now that Subaru made the Outback into an SUV. Lifted wagon is perfect for carrying a kayak to a boat ramp
ipullstuffapart@reddit
Lifting it makes it so much harder to load the roof racks though. My Passat wagon was great that you could just lift a kayak to shoulder height or lower and slide it on the roof.
tr_9422@reddit
I assume parent commenter is aware of that and isn't serious
UmaThurmish@reddit
a lifted wagon is just an SUV
TheSexyKamil@reddit
Technically yes, but in modern times I think the differentiator is the body height. A wagon still allows the roof rack to be useable, while most SUVs prioritize headroom to the point where the roofline is too tall to realistically put anything on top
leedle1234@reddit
Lifted is fine, that leaves the opportunity open for them to do a sporty trim level without the lift, or the aftermarket can answer. If instead it's built like a crossover with huge beltlines and a tall hood, there is no saving that.
undockeddock@reddit
And be $80k
FourEyesAndThighs@reddit
A6 allroad is also roughly $80K. Volvos are luxury cars at the end of the day.
franksandbeans911@reddit
Nah, they're boutique and premium, but not luxury. It's a fine line when you look at price tags, but different things are prioritized in luxury cars vs. premium cars. Like ride quality, Volvos aren't the worst but they will slap you around more than your average Lincoln.
LegendaryOutlaw@reddit
They just can't help themselves. We don't all want a vehicle with 8" of ground clearance and big black plastic fenders.
capri_stylee@reddit
So an EXC-70? I'm down!
ZaheerAlGhul@reddit
Are their wagons reliable. I like the way they look but I don't know if I can trust Volvo.
atomicthumbs@reddit
it's volvo. volvo doesn't make reliable cars
:(
franksandbeans911@reddit
Yeah you just get taxed on parts when/if things break, because they are a small manufacturer. Ironically, many of their parts wind up in more expensive luxury brands as ECU's and whatnot, representing a big savings over a rebranded Maserati or some other part.
For a premium brand, they make a nice wagon. Post-boxy-car-era, the V60 and V90 are both super nice inside and out. They are just rare as hen's teeth and therefore carry a premium before you even get into mileage and meaningful details like trim levels.
CivilStudio1896@reddit
does anyone else just go down all these random rabbit holes just due to the fact of how much they love cars?
NetworkStatic@reddit
Sure. I narrow my interest with physics though. A range of acceptable curb weights, weight distributions, exterior dimensions, and gearbox types. That keeps me in a limited space but then I am always looking to see what new might fit or what category I could budge on because of some special case. The weight requirement means I have few new cars to investigate.
spotforcars@reddit
The station wagons Volvos actually looks better than sedans any of them
AoF-Vagrant@reddit
I think the Subaru Outback shows people really want wagons.
Volvo's issue (IMO, anyways) is they charged $10-20K more than the sedan at the same trim. I see lots of S60s driving around, a lot of those people would have been willing to get a V60 if it was more like a $5k option. And if those V60s were on dealer lots.
franksandbeans911@reddit
And I always am sad knowing what the S60 drivers are missing for not getting the S90, a low, wide, head turner with optional 22's, or at least 21's. Again, price drove them away, the gap between the 60 and 90 was massive and probably still is.
geokilla@reddit
Bring back the 5 cylinder engine as well. The 4 cylinder lineup does not work. The fuel economy in the XC90 B6 is worse than a BMW X5 40i with the B58. Volvo making these dumb decisions is why the brand is failing.
franksandbeans911@reddit
I have a T6 and daily, I keep wondering why it's a twin-charged 4 instead of a NA V6. Honda's 3.5 was the perfect engine circa 2003, even Toyota's 3.5 would package well here. I'm getting shitty gas mileage and I know a naturally aspirated V6 wouldn't be worse. When your choice at the pump is "most expensive next to diesel" due to the charging, it's a real puzzle. Best I ever get, cruise control locked at 80-85 on road trips with no hills, is around 24mpg. City, in town, it's anywhere between 14-18mpg. It's got half the cylinders of a v8 and all the thirst of an LS.
Rough_Cancel7265@reddit
I'm here for an EV wagon. Don't care about anything else. Volvo has clearly never shown they're going crazy with their performance ICE cars. The R cars weren't competitive in their day, the Polestar cars were never really never lighting anyone's hair on fire. If they're going to do 400ish horsepower in everything at that level, just skip the crazy powertrains and give me instant torque.
s3cf_@reddit
volvo 🥱
did Geely greenlight that? 🤭
Life_Menu_4094@reddit
At the rate they're going, I think they'd be lucky to have a company by then.
PretendLength1710@reddit
so theyre killin the v60 cross country this year and talkin about bringin wagons back at the same time lol. make it make sense
Baby-girl-54321@reddit
If Volvo brings them back properly, there’s definitely a market for them.
jrileyy229@reddit
When the title has "could" in it, don't bother
gimpwiz@reddit
I went to the volvo dealer to test drive a volvo wagon. They kinda smirked and said they have none on the lot, they are special-order only, they only have SUVs -- no wagons, no sedans. I gave up trying. Maybe other dealers have them.
So if Volvo wants to sell units... hmm
TulioGonzaga@reddit
I was expecting an EV60 next year.
ctn91@reddit
I’ll believe it when a see it Jim Farly, oh i’m sorry, i forgot there’s more than one automotive CEO that also talks out their ass.
YeonneGreene@reddit
I mean, it has to actually be a wagon and not an SUV with the cladding removed and the suspension lowered. Like, I was never a fan of the Polestar 2 because it's effectively a lowered CUV and I want nothing to do with that.
Same reason why the ES90 is something I wouldn't give a second look to, I don't want that. It sucks, it misses the main point of intentionally choosing a form-factor less practical than the crossover/SUV: style.
iamnotcreativeDET@reddit
Fantastic news, I love my V70.
purz@reddit
Just make an updated gas anything at this point.
et_hornet@reddit
Except they'll be more like lowered SUVs than proper wagons and they'll probably be electric and cost 10k+ more than the recently discontinued gas ones
RunnerLuke357@reddit
I keep seeing good things discontinued, brought back with some sort of stupid compromise, then when it sells poorly, they blame the original idea rather than the worthless changes making it a no go for the people that were actually interested. That shit pisses me off to no end. If I wanted an economy car (for example), I want a small, cheap, basic, good on gas car. But rather than making a new version of an old idea, they take it, add 1 ton of weight, make it electric, make it a mid size, add all of the features the luxury trim of the old car had as standard except for leather and give it the same name as the old model and it's a completely different car.
ZetaM3@reddit
They’ve been saying that for several years now. Tick tock.
uppercase360@reddit
As owner of a 2023 V60P, I’m glad to hear this. In five years it will be 8 years old and I’ll happily replace it with a BEV wagon.