After a historically dry winter, Denver officials draft a mass evacuation plan
Posted by crescent-v2@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 47 comments
Posted by crescent-v2@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 47 comments
Former-Fly-4023@reddit
I’ve been saying Boise needs this.
EitherDay7062@reddit
No way, we were petitioning to do this for the last 10 years ahead of the disastrous 100 yr compact results. It was put off for fear of causing mass hysteria
Own-Swan2646@reddit
West cost should be taking notes on this ... And east cost should be making a response to the plan .. if only we had a federal government team that would have seen this as a need and done the work and had supplies at the read if needed and ... We are cooked
TradeBeautiful42@reddit
The desalinization plant just south of me has been so successful they’ve donated their Colorado river water rights this year to surrounding states. The west coast is definitely looking into how to combat droughts and such.
Serious_Yard4262@reddit
Honestly, shit like this is why we have a federal government instead of just being 50 smaller countries
pandershrek@reddit
They're being facetious, we did have such a thing but the current administration dismantled it.
Powerful_Log_796@reddit
But my face is over here with me
burn_corpo_shit@reddit
I feel like the west has had enough experience to know what they're doing. I can't pretend to know what fighting fires is like. East coast is reacting, but it's slow and buraeucratic as usual.
va_wanderer@reddit
Seeing Iran talking seriously about evacuating their capital for lack of water should be a warning that other cities in drier areas should start to think about worst-case scenarios.
Because we're there. Even one winter like this one in the West/Southwest is crippling, if it keeps up water is going to be enough to turn places into ghost towns and fields into dust bowls for lack of it.
Never mind the power grid. Between increased demand by people moving into places air conditioning is a must to live and the decline of hydropower (and not enough of a solar grid to begin to compensate), a big adjustment in how people live out here is coming, one where the only sane way to do it is going back to a time where plentiful water and artificial cooling were luxuries and places that don't have enough of them stop being places we live in.
And those "dry zones" are going to spread further north and east as the climate shifts. I mean, I live in a Southwestern state, and luckily in a mountain valley that's relatively temperate. But that also means we saw the writing on the wall in non-existing snowpacks this year. You need X number of gallons and that comes from Y feet of snowpack, and the math isn't going to add up this year.
DeadlyYellow@reddit
I'm sure the government is hard at work planning ways to move water from regions where it's plentiful to areas where a data center might be built.
Pando5280@reddit
Exactly why I left 3 years ago. Drought and increased fire danger as well as massive population increases due to Texans and Californians fleeing drought and increased fire danger. And all those new people use water and increase traffic and put massive amounts of pressure on front range and mountain resources. Its also the third highest cost of living state which really sucks if you've lived there for 20 or 30 years and now have a decreased quality of life thats now more expensive. End game is Colorado is hugh alpine desert and most home builders and stae / city officials just ignore the desert part of the equation when giving more land to developers and designing long term plans for population growth and water usage.
V2BM@reddit
I lived in Douglas County and when I left (a long time ago) the population had tripled from when I’d arrived less than 7 years earlier. I knew I could never afford to buy a home.
hera-fawcett@reddit
i think the biggest thing is, where do you go? lets be fr, most of america is fucked w global warming and water rights. id argue the midwest holds out the longest but theyre also chancing w tornadoes and floods. and the midwest is entrenched w staunch conservatives in poor rural areas who keep their states solidly red. lower education, lower wages, more car reliance.
how do you choose where to go when everything is lowk one big fuck up the ass?
SquirrelyMcNutz@reddit
Floods can kinda be worked around. Don't build next to a river or creek. Consult flood maps (they are fairly extensive) for indications of 10, 100, 1000 year flood levels.
Tornadoes...ya those suck and there isn't really any planning for them other than maybe doing a subterranean house or a hobbit hole into a glacial moraine or something similar.
But...every place on this planet has SOMETHING that can fuck you over. It's part of the downside of being on a geologically active world.
The biggest thing to come to terms with...realize that nothing is forever. Don't get attached to anything in this world. Accept that the universe hates you (generic 'you'...mostly) and is actively working to suck any joy from your life.
Pando5280@reddit
Theres a line in an old Alabama song that says "someone told us that Wall Street fell but we were so poor that we couldn't tell." Lots of wisdom in that song. I grew up poor and rural and happy so I spent 5 years doing research and found an area that works best for me. Purple town with a small college in a red state surrounded by farms and outdoor rec. Climate change predictions call for more rain and snow. Plus people with actual skills from the trades to civil engineering to outdoor survival and farming. Plus a lot of old school combat veterans who take pride in where they live. The key is defining what's important to you and then spending the time looking for it.
hera-fawcett@reddit
shit man, i wish there were some small colleges out here--- the rural areas we got are p filled w incest, meth, heroin, etc.
shit even the 'less' rural areas (still rural but a popular spring break destination- tons of outdoor wildlife but shit pops off when it gets decent weather) we've got kkk, child sex trafficking, cannibalism, etc.
shits a mess.
Pando5280@reddit
The funny thing is my small town has that in about 1/3 the neighborhoods and half the backwoods areas around it. Ive been propositioned by a daytime hooker and the first time I went out at night a meth addict at the gas station was talking about having a pipe bomb in a backpack he lost. There are some towns I pass through that I call Walking Dead towns. Just half bent over fent addicts and decaying buildings. Opiod crisis fucked this area up hard. Personally I rode the property wave in Colorado and cashed out after covid and moved out here better off than most locals. Key is not advertising and knowing how to talk to people and respecting both local culture and values. Its like scripture says "there but for the grace of God go I" and with my background I was only one or two bad mistakes from ending up like the folks I see around me. But theres also a lot of good people and some who are trying to turn things around. My goal is to be one of those and just live quietly while slowly making a positive difference because in the end no one is coming to save you so you've gotta be willing to save yourself and once you do that you can start helping others do the same.
hera-fawcett@reddit
ur 100 right.
resilience and perserverance--- not the easiest traits to have or learn, esp when u start at a disadvantage (poverty, disability, racism, etc.). do what u can with u have type.
thanks for the talk man!
One_Term2162@reddit
I think this is the honest question. The Midwest is not a perfect refuge. We get tornadoes, flooding, heavy storms, polluted runoff, and all the problems that come with old infrastructure and bad planning.
We saw that here in Wisconsin during the second week of April when flooding hit parts of the state. So I would never pretend we are untouched by climate problems.
But where I live, there has also been real investment in flood mitigation. Retention ponds have gone in. Low-lying parks and flood-prone areas are being treated more like places that can hold water during storms instead of letting that water run straight into homes, basements, roads, and businesses. That kind of planning matters.
There are practical things communities can do: restore wetlands, build rain gardens, use swales and berms, plant deep-rooted native grasses, protect floodplains, stop paving over every natural sponge, and design parks that can flood safely before neighborhoods do.
There is truth in the rural struggle, but I think the picture is changing and more complicated than that. A lot of rural people are not the enemy. They are underpaid, overworked, car-dependent because there often is no transit, and ignored by both parties until election season.
Wisconsin itself is not some solid red wall. We are a battleground state, and our politics are messy because the people here are not one thing. We have farmers, union towns, college towns, small cities, rural conservatives, progressives, independents, and a long history of fighting over public goods.
So where do you go when everywhere has problems?
Come to Wisconsin.
We are not perfect. We have work to do. But we have water, soil, farms, forests, lakes, towns that still know how to help each other, and a state tradition rooted in public service and reform.
Our state motto is simple: Forward.
To me, the answer is not finding a perfect place. It is finding a place with enough water, enough community, and enough will to build resilience before desperation makes the choices for us.
Any_Needleworker_273@reddit
I lived in MT in the late 90s, early 00s, and left the year after one of our worst fire seasons. Spent my whole summer, it felt like, pulling orders together for smoke jumpers and the NFS, as well as homeowners. We were bringing in every water pump we could locate. I worked at a big ag/power equip. retail store. People were wearing masks and respirators driving around because ethe smoke was so bad. If you ever saw the iconic photo of the elk standing in a river surrounded by a blaze, it was that season. While I love the west, it's gotten harder and harder out there and I have no desire to move back.
One_Term2162@reddit
I had the same wake-up call when I spent time in Moffat. Coming from Wisconsin, where we live beside the Great Lakes, it is easy to think water conservation sounds almost unnecessary. But out there, you realize water is not just a utility. It is law, history, property, survival, and conflict.
The whole concept of water rights was wild to me at first. In Colorado, owning land does not automatically mean you control the water. Older users can have priority over newer ones, and development has to exist inside that reality whether politicians and builders want to admit it or not.
That is why I still advocate for conservation here in Wisconsin. We are blessed with water, but abundance is not the same thing as permission to waste it. Colorado shows what happens when growth, drought, and development run ahead of the land’s actual limits. Water should be treated as a public trust before it becomes a crisis.
AirborneGeek@reddit
Louder for the people in the back
whiskyspacecadet@reddit
Very well said.
Pando5280@reddit
Its like Mark Twain once said "out West whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting over " Lived rural mountains for 10 years and had water rights to an irrigation ditch. Old timers would say they used to have 6 foot snowpacks in June and we were lucky to have 3 foot snowpacks in May. Irrigation ditches went back to the 1870s and the local water commissioner (a neighbor and friend) told me they knew when to let people pull water from the creeks when a certain rock in the nearby river was at a certain water level. Ditches were numbered 1-47 and most years only 1-10 were allowed to pull water. They knew who used it for agriculture and who didnt so theyd ask the non ag folks to turn off early. Basiclly the definition of an old boys club that worked well if you were a member. Lastly, I had a former neighbor who built an illegal pond amd eventually got shot and killed by another neighbor for messing with his water rights. Before my time but water is life for a lot of family farms and it can get real serious real quick when you start messing with their profits and livelihoods. Its an issue thats been buikding for 100 years and its going to get worse before it gets better.
Melodic-Lawyer-1707@reddit
Fyi. This is also specific to the north east corner of the city by Rocky Mountains arsenal and by the airport as you are in the dry prairie grasslands. I don’t think the city itself is at a fire risk
Honest_Persimmon_859@reddit
This is good common sense for any city to do. If anything, this should make people living there feel slightly safer, not cause panic.
whiskyspacecadet@reddit
Yes and no. Denver itself has never been at risk against the large fires we've seen in the last few years. This, to me, reads as though the city is preparing for the fact that things are so bad that Denver itself is now in harms way. It is comforting to know the city is planning in advance, but terrifying to also know that its gotten this bad. I mean can you imagine the largest city in the state, the fifth most populated capitol in the country, burning? Three quarters of a million people at risk for evacuation?
Pando5280@reddit
3-4 years ago there was a fire north of Denver and west of Boulder that took out nearly ~1000 homes in just a few hours. Still amazed it wasnt a mass casualty event. Lots of dry cheaply built condensed suburban homes and apartment buildings around and in Denver that burn quick due to how closely they are built next to each other. The fire I mentioned started as a grass fire on a windy day and the wind storms in Colorado keep getting more frequent and more violent.
CannyGardener@reddit
I live on a wildlife urban interface near the south side of town, and that night, watching the fire on the news, I could not believe a shitload of people weren't killed. I knew people that got the knock on the door from the neighbors and the house was gone within an hour. The fact that Denver is acknowledging that this is a legit, 'lets spend some money on this important thing' type of possibility, is terrifying.
PhreakazoidLover@reddit
Yes, I can imagine the feds withholding my tax dollars and blocking highways.
Goofygrrrl@reddit
Major props to them for starting this process now. The sooner they can start running tabletop scenarios and mock drills the sooner they can find the issues. Living in a hurricane zone makes me have to think about what my evacuation plans are and whether I have the supplies needed to survive a 20+ hour traffic snarl to get out. You absolutely need your own gas, water, fuel, and other resources to get out because every gas station and supermarket gets stripped bare along the evac routes.
Magnesium4YourHead@reddit
A bike could bypass that traffic.
bhmnscmm@reddit
Sure, but a bike has its own tradeoffs and considerations.
Are you fit enough to ride a bike for miles? What about kids and pets? Are you able carry critical possessions with you? What are your plans for food, water, and shelter until you get someplace more permanent?
rem_lap@reddit
No one wants to ride a bike in Louisiana and/or surrounding states during hurricane season (which peaks at end of August).
CongressBridge@reddit
I was part of the mass evac in Houston for Hurricane Rita, was so glad I left at midnight so I wasn't sitting in the hot sun for hours (or main horde leaving town the following morning- the 3 hour trip to ATX still took 11 hours).
pin5npusher5@reddit
It depends on the size of the wildfire, wind velocity, and so on but fleeing a wildfire enveloping Denver would be a desperate thing. The smoke pouring into ur lungs, the screams of those being consumed by the flames are very distracting to keeping a good tempo and obeying all traffic laws. With the flames coming for you I'll bet anyone could ride a bike for miles
bhmnscmm@reddit
That sounds more like wishful thinking than prepared thinking.
Magnesium4YourHead@reddit
Being fit is a prep.
SquirrelyMcNutz@reddit
I was in actuality looking for a gif of the scene in the beginning of Futurama where that one dude cuts the chain on Fry's bike, but saw this, so...now everyone else has to as well.
Beginning_Week_2512@reddit
Jules on that damn bike
IWannaGoFast00@reddit
Not reasonable for the majority of people.
Goofygrrrl@reddit
True but I didn’t evacuate in Harvey because I had 4 kids and 2 Great Danes. The deciding factor was we would need to take two vehicles. Which meant there was double the chance of breaking down, overheating or running out of gas. Now I only have one kid at home, the Danes are gone and all I have is my Belgian Malinois. That’s doable. But probably not on a bike.
ProfDoomDoom@reddit
Fucking hell, the world is grim right now.
KaleAshamed9702@reddit
Realistically, this has happened before just at different scales. There are mesopatamian cities that failed due to salinization, mayan cities that collapsed due to drought, hell in the US we had the dust bowl. At least governments are talking about it and making plans rather than just waiting for it to happen.
Pando5280@reddit
Mesopotamia cities didnt have data centers and modern industry thats openly being de-regulated in exchange for campaign contributions and positive media coverage. Theres also been a pretty big population boom since Mesopotamian times hence much more pollution and use of resources.
BigJSunshine@reddit
Title is a bit sensational- this is about wildfire evacuation plans. Not about water necessarily
Actual_Friendship802@reddit
Good to see.