Israeli far-right minister Smotrich says ICC seeks his arrest
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Insensibilities@reddit
This is apparently the first time someone will be charged with the Crime of Apartheid:
"The charges against Smotrich include forced displacement as a crime against humanity and war crime, the transfer of Israel’s own population as a war crime, and persecution and apartheid as crimes against humanity."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_apartheid
HockeyHocki@reddit
Where are you reading he is being charged with it, there's nothing to that effect in this article. Would be higly dubious the ICC would try bring a charge like that given West Bank situation doesn't meet the legal definition of apartheid
Insensibilities@reddit
> doesn't meet the legal definition of apartheid
There is a huge body of literature debating that. Most human rights organizations (Amnesty, HRW, etc.) fall on the side that Israel's system in the occupied territory is apartheid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_apartheid
HockeyHocki@reddit
The legal definition of the crime of apartheid is quite clear there must be racial discrimination. There is no racial discrimination, an arab in the West Bank is treated the exact same as a jew provided they have Israeli citizenship
your_red_triangle@reddit
there's a law called the right of return, does an Arab in the west bank have the same right to that law or does it ONLY apply to Jews?
Your whole argument falls apart on one law, that's before even getting into rights to travel, rights to housing and the bias in prosecutions for Arabs.
HockeyHocki@reddit
An arab in the west bank can't become a citizen of Israel regardless of the law of return. No arab citizens of hostile states, quasi or otherwise, can get citizenship in Israel, that goes for Lebanese arabs, Iraqi arabs etc
Conversely arab citizens from states that formally made peace; Egypt, Jordan can get Israeli citizenship
The point being it's not discrimination based on race, it's based on security
your_red_triangle@reddit
So By your logic Palestinians living in Egypt and Jordan, which there's many can return home? Of course they can't, because it's a law for ONLY Jews! Stop lying.
By law the terrorist state classified itself as a Jewish State.
Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and even atheists living INSIDE the terrorist state can not legally marry Jewish people by law. No marriage certificate will be issued. They have JEWISH only neighbourhoods, built for only Jews. The have Jewish ONLY bomb shelters... we can go on and on.
The fact you call them "Arabs", denying their Palestinian statehood tells us everything we need to know about nazis like you.
HockeyHocki@reddit
useless automod
HockeyHocki@reddit
return home? can the hundreds of thousand of jews expelled from states hostile to Israel return to them? you are f*ucking delula mate, blinkered doesn't even begin to cut it
Insensibilities@reddit
Your argument is that it is a discriminatory regime based on religious-membership rather than racial? The issue is that race is an imprecise definition at the best of times.
HockeyHocki@reddit
I'm saying it's discriminatory based on citizenship & has nothing to do with race.
Insensibilities@reddit
Citizenship is discriminatory in Israel based on religion. Jews anywhere, even if they have never lived in Israel, can become an Israeli citizen, but non-Jewish Arabs, such as those in the West Bank who are not citizens of any sovereign country but are ruled by Israelis, can never be Israeli citizens.
Right are dependent upon citizenship and citizenship is dependent upon religion, thus by transitive logic, rights are determined by religion.
HockeyHocki@reddit
what are you on about of course non jewish arabs can become israeli citizens
Insensibilities@reddit
> what are you on about of course non jewish arabs can become israeli citizens
Are you familiar with this law prevent Palestinian Arabs from becoming Israeli citizens via marriage? It affects at least 10,000 Palestinian Arabs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_and_Entry_into_Israel_Law
https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-extends-law-banning-palestinian-family-unification-for-another-year/
This is in addition to the tons of discriminatory laws regarding land use, immigration, absentee properties, the death penalty, etc.
There is unfortunately quite an edifice of discriminatory laws in effect over there.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Yes, certain arabs can't become Israeli citizens, that is correct, arabs from hostile states like Palestine, Lebanon Iraq etc. Egypt and Jordan made peace with Israel, their citizens can become Israeli citizens through marriage. It's not based on race, it's based on security
Insensibilities@reddit
Yeah, sure. That is why Israeli politicians, such as Netanyahu, refer to Arabs as "demographic threats":
https://www.haaretz.com/2003-12-18/ty-article/netanyahu-israels-arabs-are-the-real-demographic-threat/0000017f-e3c1-d9aa-afff-fbd9f8d50000
And why they want to encourage emigration from the occupied territories:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-says-next-government-should-encourage-migration-of-palestinians-from-west-bank/
KaiBahamut@reddit
How easy is it for a Jew to get citizenship vs a West Bank Arab? Based on nothing but their race? I think you'll find your answer in that the JEWISH STATE might have a racial bias in citizenship.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Palestinian, Lebanese, Iraqi's arabs etc can't get Israeli citizenship because their states remain hostile to the state of Israel since they declared war on it in 1948.
Egyptian and Jordanian arabs can get citizenship because their states made peace and recognised Israels right to exist
KaiBahamut@reddit
Palestinians don't have a state? I've been assured of this fact many times, how can they be at war? Certainly, in the West Bank, the governing power has been willing to work with Israel and has only gotten their peoples land stolen for their troubles.
HockeyHocki@reddit
It's a quasi state, and you ignored the point
snowlynx133@reddit
So, what you're saying is that Palestinian Arabs are treated as lesser than Israeli Jews in the occupied West Bank?
stonkmarxist@reddit
The ICJ has literally already ruled that Israel is breach of CERD article 3 in relation to racial segregation and apartheid.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Advisory opinion not a legal ruling. 'Apartheid' in the west bank has existed over 50 years, if Israel or their leaders could be sucessfully prosecuted for it they already would have
stonkmarxist@reddit
You understand an advisory opinion is still a legal ruling? It's only advisory because it was only asked to provide an advisory opinion.
The law doesn't magically change and you're still defending apartheid you lunatic.
HockeyHocki@reddit
legally binding ruling to be more specific. And fyi you can breach article 3 of CERD without it being apartheid, the judges pointed this out in their supporting opinions
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240719-sum-01-00-en.pdf
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FerdinandTheGiant@reddit
Maybe by the ICC, but I thought the Cosas Four case was the first.
Insensibilities@reddit
Neat, you are correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosas_Four
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