How to be seen by a real doctor and not a PA for a GP appointment?
Posted by Then-Fortune-3122@reddit | AskABrit | View on Reddit | 38 comments
Past 4 appointments, i’ve been seen by a PA - how can I ensure it’s with a doctor?
GP staff have said there’s no more slots with a doctor, or that they don’t know who it is going to be with, and I end up with a PA who aren’t very good - they just seem inexperienced.
Any tips? Thanks
ProgressMiserable878@reddit
I've not been to a gp or a hospital in over 11 yrs. I don't take pharma meds or have scans etc. I'm fully fit and healthy because I eat no processed foods and look after my gut.
Sparkles165@reddit
You may feel fit and healthy right now but you have no idea what cancers are growing inside your body. Then you are going to need doctors.
ProgressMiserable878@reddit
My mum cured both cancers that she had and is 81 she's the same as me no pharma meds. Plus I know of a dozen others who have too. The Cancer act 1939 prohibits medical professional from speaking about cures but believe me if you stay off the nasty white refined sugar, oxgenate your blood and have an alkaline diet this keeps cancer cells from waking up in your body. Cannabis with the HTC can also cure cancer which is why they want it banned completely. It must never be smoked though as that has been known to cause paranoia and mental health problems long term. Also there's this guy who invented the Rife machine which is fabulous if you can afford one. 🚨 CANCER WAS CURED IN 1934. THE DOCTOR WHO DID IT WAS DESTROYED. HIS MACHINES WERE BURNED. AND THE CURE WAS CLASSIFIED FOR 90 YEARS. Dr. Royal Raymond Rife built a microscope in 1932 that could see living viruses at 60,000x magnification. No one has matched it since. The modern electron microscope kills the specimen before observation. Rife's machine watched them alive. Moving. Replicating. And dying — when he hit them with the right frequency. Every organism has a resonant frequency. A specific electromagnetic vibration at which its structure becomes unstable. Like a singer shattering glass with the right note. Rife discovered that cancer cells, bacteria, and viruses each have a unique frequency — and that transmitting that exact frequency into the body destroys them without damaging a single healthy cell. He called it the Beam Ray Machine. And in 1934, he proved it worked. ⟁ The clinical trial they erased: The University of Southern California appointed a Special Medical Research Committee to oversee a clinical trial of Rife's technology. 16 terminal cancer patients. All diagnosed as incurable. All given less than 90 days to live. After 90 days of frequency treatment: — 14 of 16 patients were declared completely cancer-free — The remaining 2 were declared cancer-free after an additional 4 weeks of adjusted treatment — 16 out of 16. A 100% cure rate. Documented. Witnessed. Signed by attending physicians. Dr. Milbank Johnson, who led the committee, planned a press conference to announce the results to the world. He died the night before the announcement. His papers vanished from his office. The cause of death was listed as "natural causes." He was in perfect health. ⟁ The destruction: Within months of the trial: — Rife's laboratory was broken into and his research notes were stolen — The Beam Ray Machine prototype was vandalized beyond repair — Dr. Arthur Kendall, Rife's research partner, was given $250,000 by the AMA to retire to Mexico and never speak publicly again — Every physician who participated in the trial received a visit from the AMA threatening the revocation of their medical license if they discussed the results — Barry Lynes, who later wrote Rife's biography, documented that the AMA offered Rife a buyout. When he refused, they sent Morris Fishbein — head of the AMA and a man who had never practiced medicine a single day in his life — to destroy him Rife's lab was burned. His microscopes were confiscated. His funding was cut. He was dragged through fraudulent lawsuits until he was bankrupt. He died in 1971, broken and forgotten, from an "accidental" overdose of Valium and alcohol at a hospital. ⟁ Why they killed the cure: In 1934, the cancer industry did not exist. Today it generates $286 billion per year globally. Chemotherapy drugs alone account for $84 billion. Radiation therapy: $22 billion. Oncology consultations, hospital stays, diagnostic imaging — a quarter-trillion-dollar machine that depends on one thing: cancer must never be cured. Only treated. Endlessly. Expensively. Until you die or your money runs out. A frequency machine costs $2,000 to build. A single course of chemotherapy costs $150,000. They did not suppress Rife's cure because it didn't work. They suppressed it because it worked too well. And it cost too little. ⟁ What is returning: The MedBed technology that is being disclosed operates on the same principle Rife proved 92 years ago. Specific frequencies targeted at specific cellular abnormalities. No drugs. No radiation. No side effects. The body heals itself when given the right signal. They burned his lab. They stole his notes. They killed his colleagues. They erased him from medical history. But they could not erase the frequency. Because the frequency is physics. And physics does not care who tries to suppress it. Dr. Rife, your work is coming home. ~SG
Sparkles165@reddit
Oh so you crazy crazy. Ok.
ProgressMiserable878@reddit
What do me and others are crazy foreating healthily and having a good diet to keep our bodies dis- ease free? Your the crazy one being a sucker to the big pharma industry. 🤣 If medicines worked why are they lists of side affects for them and people are still being sick?? because eventually you'll go back to the drug dealer GP's who get big commissions for dishing out pharma meds. It's not rocket science to join the dots..... Our bodies have an immune system and can heal themselves with the right knowledge.
Then-Fortune-3122@reddit (OP)
Any tips on going towards this lifestyle? What food do u eat and how do u look after ur gut ?
ProgressMiserable878@reddit
Awe ffs. This site is full of programmed brainwashed normies who have no idea about how our bodies function. The gut is the brain of our bodies actually. Keel your body alkaline if you can and stay off the nasty refined white sugar. I have organic coconut sugar and bake with it too. I have apple cider vinegar with a teaspoon of bicarbonate of soda everyday diluted in distilled water with fresh lemon. Add organic not rubbish supermarket honey and not tap water with chemicals in it. In fact my water company sent me 2 pages of what's in mine and they stated arsenic, cyanide, lead, aluminum etc etc... I can't attach you anything on here sadly. I could go on but got to go to the farm shop now before they close. I only eat organic meat and fresh produce not any genetically modified stuff sold in supermarkets.
Oh-reality-come-back@reddit
Good for you. Let’s hope you don’t ever have anything genetic act up or get into an accident , so you don’t break your streak
ProgressMiserable878@reddit
Check out my post regarding cures for cancer! My mum and many people I know have cured theirs and mum's oncologist knew exactly how she did but was not able to speak out for fear of being struck off.
bitterlemon80@reddit
Good for you. I have fairly severe asthma and if did this I'd be dead in 72 hours ( maybe less).
No_Bullfrog_6474@reddit
good for you, it’s also pure luck that’s contributing to that though :)
SarahL1990@reddit
What's a PA in terms of a GP surgery?
Then-Fortune-3122@reddit (OP)
Physician associate.
SarahL1990@reddit
Interesting. I used to work in a GP surgery and we never had those.
Then-Fortune-3122@reddit (OP)
Its a new-ish role that was created, they have less training and qualifications than doctors but expected to do similar
Oh-reality-come-back@reddit
From what I know they have the same but it’s condensed into smaller length of years and they’re expected to keep refreshing their knowledge with regular training I think . I get on with our local PA’s and we have a chat, that’s what they’ve said to me
Then-Fortune-3122@reddit (OP)
“Smaller length of years” isnt the same is it?
Mammothsherd@reddit
The word fewer would like to enter the conversation 😂
horace_bagpole@reddit
It's not anywhere closer to the same. A PA does a 3 year undergraduate degree (not necessarily in medicine), followed by a 2 year post graduate course.
A GP does a 5 year double undergraduate medical degree (Bachelor of medicine and Bachelor of surgery), followed by a 2 year foundation course working as doctors in hospitals, and then another 3 years of specialist training in general practice.
There is no comparison, and PAs have nowhere near the experience or training that a fully qualified GP has. If a PA or anyone else tells you they are the same, they are not being truthful.
hungryhippo53@reddit
They do train for less years than a doctor, but they absolutely do not get the same level or depth of training as doctors.
They’re not trained or licensed to deal eith undifferentiated diagnoses, and they are unable to work or prescribe independently - it is all supervised by the GP
FrontRowBreakfast@reddit
All I can recommend is keep trying, and be firm about needing to see a GP (in a polite way of course). The system is so stretched these days that unfortunately you often need to really advocate for yourself.
Definitely not saying that PAs don't perform a valuable service.
ChickyD1946@reddit
Speak to the receptionist and be clear why you need to see a GP, there may be another way of securing an appointment that you’re not aware of, and if that doesn’t work ask to speak to the practice manager. I saw a GP I was dissatisfied with but he was my default GP, by the time I realised he has had been prescribing the wrong medication it was 3 years down the road. He has now ‘taken early retirement’ and I have raised a complaint with the GMC. Other patients were quicker to complain but I really wish I had raised my concerns 2 years ago when I realised something wasn’t right - it would’ve saved me, and possibly others, a lot of hassle/ harm. Please advocate for yourself.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
They don't. Never seen a good one. But I dont go to the GP with minor stuff you can self treat
Oh-reality-come-back@reddit
PA’s do more than issues that anyone can sort. I’ve seen PA who can diagnose as also as any dr but they’re limited by what they’re allowed to do.
Electronic_State8855@reddit
Plenty of stories of incompetent doctors, nurses, midwives, physios etc... there's always one, PAs just get a bad light because the BMA carried out an outstanding hate campaign against them (initially stemming from pay!!)
katharinelouise@reddit
I saw a great PA last year who diagnosed patellofemoral pain syndrome, helped get me a referral to physio and gave me some exercises to help my knee in the meantime :) (I did have to self refer because they're not a GP, but still, they helped point me in the right direction, sent all the links I needed etc)
FrontRowBreakfast@reddit
Yeah to be fair my only experience with one was after a major operation. I was clearly having an allergic reaction to my antibiotics and they told me it was probably my bed sheets and suggested an over the counter antihistamine...
Oh-reality-come-back@reddit
Good god, I’m glad you’re okay now. Tbf though lots of idiot drs out there too who have said absolutely stupid things but the media is really focused on the minority y of stupid PAs
Jaded_Leg_46@reddit
A nurse, advanced practitioner and a PA can make you an appointment or leave a comment on your notes about seeing a doctor. I am very skeptical about PAs, I would rather see an experienced nurse or an advanced practitioner who is a nurse or paramedic because they have more experience and knowledge, especially with complex health issues or patients with multiple conditions. They're also professional enough to say this is something the Dr needs to examine but will treat the symptoms untill the Dr sees you so you're not left floundering and I respect them for that and will trust their judgement. PA have little experience and knowledge base.
Electronic_State8855@reddit
Being seen by the same healthcare professional (PA, ACP, ANP, pharmacist or advance physio) for the same problem is very much frowned upon and usually something that is escalated after the second presentation for the same problem. May be worth asking for a second opinion from a doctor, or simply stating that whilst you appreciate that the practice is stretched you'd prefer to be seen by a doctor, as is your right.
If you end up in the clinic with the PA again ask them to go and grab their supervising GP (there should always be someone allocated to them as a supervisor for each shift, as PAs are dependent practitioners and have to work under supervision of a GP/or consultant in hospital settings) for a review or second opinion, say you don't mind waiting.
Hope this helps!
Oh-reality-come-back@reddit
That is really a shame if true. All the PAs that the people I know and myself have seen (here in South London) have been great. We were actually recently having a chat about how well we feel like they listen to us.
I guess because our GP’s are quite brisk and dismissive.
Complain if you feel like they’re not doing a good job and their supervisor will have a word or make sure they have more training. They’re supposed to refresh their training pretty frequently I think so this one just seems lazy.
Stay firm and say you want an appointment with a GO and ask when the next available GP is and ask them why you can’t been seen by a GP. If it’s not for a medical reason (as in anyone could help with your issue) then keep standing firm.
Perhaps ask for a nurse
meatflaps-69@reddit
Give it a few years and all the misdiagonsed serious cases passed off as minor things catch up with them and heads roll.
Not that you can complain when you're dead right enough.
FreddiesNightmare65@reddit
No, but the poor family left behind can
MBronsonWisconsin@reddit
Yeah, but they’d all be dead too with the length of time the NHS would stall the complaint.
FreddiesNightmare65@reddit
True
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
I would just say, if true, I have already seen a pa about this and it was a waste of time. But it does depend if you are going for minor things or not.
CraftingP291@reddit
Get in touch, in writing is best, so you have 'a paper trail', with the practice manager. Mention to them that although you understand their GP's are busy, and you don't mind seeing someone else for minor issues, you think that you need to see a GP now. The magic phrase seems to be 'duty of care' - you may want to include it, as I have found it miraculously uncovers hidden appointments! Most surgeries now ask what your medical issue is, so they can give you an appointment with the appropriate person. If you surgery isn't doing this, then you may need to voluntary tell them, especially if it something you are concerned may be serious. If they still won't give you an appointment with a GP, it's time to make a formal complaint to your Patient Care Trust.
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