Anon reads nipslop for children

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Only_Champion_8895@reddit

Generic idealist protagonist that's basically the chosen one in the story and nothing ever happens to him or his friends rinse and repeat. That's the formula for all action animes

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Reddit_Throwaway_899@reddit

That's not true. Luffy has lost a lot of fights. His brother got killed. His crew have been kidnapped and seriously injured lots of times.

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cell689@reddit

And yet they miraculously make it out every time, for over 1000 chapters.

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lack_of_communicatio@reddit

Because it's not a historical book, it's a fiction meant to entertain you. It's not meant to be realistic, just exciting to fuel your escapism from boring reality.

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cell689@reddit

It's not very entertaining with 0 stakes.

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Toowiggly@reddit

Wanting (genuine) stakes is missing the point with what it's trying to offer

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cell689@reddit

What it's trying to offer is entertainment for children, clearly.

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CobrinoHS@reddit

You're mad that a children's comic is made for children?

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Toowiggly@reddit

More so teens, as it was heavily censored when it was made for kids with 4kids

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cell689@reddit

The fact that one foreign company censored it one specific way for the licensing for one particular country doesn't really mean anything. At all.

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Toowiggly@reddit

Maybe the fact it's a shonen shows that it's trying to offer entertainment for teens

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lack_of_communicatio@reddit

And yet Looney Tunes and Merry Melodies were extremely popular.

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Xmina@reddit

Yea its totally weird the story dosent just abruptly end after they all die, that would make a great show!

I don't get these takes, yea the show goes on because the people do, if you want a story to just end dramatically go watch a 12 episode anime not the one with over 1000 and complain about it going on for 1000 episodes.

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computerCoptor@reddit

I’m a One Piece fan (watched the entire thing up to now) and even I admit that the Anime is a FUCKING DRAG throughout most of it post timeskip. Nobody ever dies, fights drag on far too long, and holy shit every 3rd episode is filler now.

I actually switched to One Pace for most of the show because I was absolutely going to give up on it during Fishman Island

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Din_Plug@reddit

The character designs also take a nose dive post timeskip.

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computerCoptor@reddit

Haha yeah, how the hell is Franky supposed to enter any kind of normal-sized building

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Din_Plug@reddit

I just completely memory-holed the post timeskip Franky design. That one is beyond terrible.

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cell689@reddit

Believe it or not, there are shows where characters, even important ones, die.

Ace is probably gonna get revived anyway.

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Xmina@reddit

Shit take m8.

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cell689@reddit

Coming from a Oe Pece fan, I'll take that as a compliment.

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Owlsthirdeye@reddit

Saying the protagonists win in the end is a dumbass critique of fiction.

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cell689@reddit

It sure is, not sure why you said it.

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BOUKEN-BEN@reddit

Gurren Lagann has more character development in 26 episodes than virtually every other shounen series delivers across hundreds

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rkoy1234@reddit

if you're watching the same mainstream shonen ones targetted for power fantasies of teenage boys, of course they all gonna be the same every year.

there's plenty where characters die off like flies or permanently trauma'd once you venture off the genre

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iTyloor@reddit

Show for brown people

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DeciderOfAllThings@reddit

I can't really get into mainstream action shonen anymore. It feels like the MCU for weebs. People keep telling me to watch JJK, MHA, and Demon Slayer but it's like, I already saw DBZ. Then I saw DBZ with ninjas. I'm good, I don't need anymore of that. I'm too old to be watching the latest formulaic show just because it happens to be animated and Japanese.

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seeyagatorr@reddit

It's power fantasy stuff with a level of separation because it's foreign. Allowing the reader/watcher to distance themselves from the perceived man-children who like Marvel. This can also apply to videogames: they don't like Activision/Ubisoft slop, they appreciate finely crafted Japanese games made with a level of care western Devs just don't understand.

See the meme "Thing/Japanese Thing"

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seeyagatorr@reddit

Anime and manga fans will hate you for life I'd you dare suggest their favourite kids show doesn't measure up to folks like Dostoevsky, Shakespeare, or Hemingway.

Beware, if cornered they will attempt to squirt you with their defense ink of "Let people enjoy things!" or lash out with their retractable claws of "why are you gatekeeping?". The last line of defense is asking what you like or attempting to search your history to activate the personal attack card. It can be super effective.

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Owlsthirdeye@reddit

We get it you read things people think are smart.

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seeyagatorr@reddit

Case in point.

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SenatorCoffee@reddit

I read a lot of manga and I would say Blame! is the single one manga that you could actually defend to academics as proper high art.

Otherwise stuff like Vagabond, Berserk, Dorohedoro, Dungeon Meshi, etc.. is a good bit above the slop, but its still all in the realm of good pulp literature.

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philmarcracken@reddit

I liked some of claymores art, would I enjoy blame?

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SenatorCoffee@reddit

I would say the comparison there would be more in the similar bleakness.

The reason I would claim Blame! as such high art is because of the way it depicts this post-singularity, transcendental bio-tech stuff. Its highly imaginative.

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cell689@reddit

Blame! is an artistic masterpiece, but not as a piece of literature.

Something like Monster on the other hand...

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Competitive-Day-1245@reddit

As a pokeslop enjoyer, theres nothing wrong with liking not so well written stuff. Plenty of reasons to like stuff even if the writing is subpar. But you need to be able to admit that its subpar, otherwise its disingenuous.

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Virgil_Rug_Say_RUG@reddit

As a pokeslop enjoyer, theres nothing wrong with liking not so well written stuff. Plenty of reasons to like stuff even if the writing is subpar. But you need to be able to admit that its subpar, otherwise its disingenuous.

this is the big thing about anime for me. i do enjoy some of it, it is entertaining, the visuals are good, it can get invested into its cheesy stories, whatever.

but it is almost universally, pretty trash. horribly written. zero nuance. voice acting is always overdone. always juvenile.

the absolute peak of anime tops out at an 8/10. theres nothing wrong with that. but dont try to argue that frieren is a top 10 show across ALL shows. 10 minutes of james gandolfini breathing heavily is better than anything anime has ever produced.

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Competitive-Day-1245@reddit

i think anime/animation is simply an artform that, while obviously benefitting from good writing, is simply a visual medium. the writing can be mid, boring whatever, at the end of the day people watch it for the visual entertainment it provides, wether they admit it or not. if all you want is a story, you read a book or listen to an audio book. but people want the visual aspect only animation can provide.

frieren, as your example, has good writing for an anime, but i didnt just watch it for the story or the animation, but the whole package. so an anime can be a 10/10 anime while only providing a 7/10 story imo.

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A_Dragon@reddit

Enter Asta…

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gorlomee@reddit

At some point in every man's life, he needs to outgrow shonen and start watching exclusivity CGDCT (cute girls doing cute things) anime.

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UpstairsPresent2304@reddit

I really enjoy azumanga, what are some other classics in this esteemed genre

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philmarcracken@reddit

I only watch those to detox after a particularly gruesome ending or sad series, like akame ga kill or the straight abortion that was the non cannon ending of claymore

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jak-kass@reddit

Have any recommendations?

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gorlomee@reddit

Yuru Camp, Non Non Biyori, Gochiusa, Hidamari Sketch, Kiniro Mosaic

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philmarcracken@reddit

Hidamari Sketch

We need to go wider ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

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ChiefSitsOnCactus@reddit

azumanga is the goat

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BOUKEN-BEN@reddit

Ninkoro is CGDCT but they're all sociopaths (and gay)

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quandjereveauxloups@reddit

I second New Game! and New Game!! (second season) are really fun to watch.

The different characters are in different stages in life, and all have unique personalities. It's interesting to watch their dynamic, and how it changes with new people being brought into it.

All around a lighthearted, fun watch.

There is some fan service in there, but it's not egregious in my opinion.

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KaiFireborn21@reddit

New Game one of my top 5, learn gamedev alongside

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demonsdencollective@reddit

Bocchi The Rock, Azumanga.

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hh26@reddit

¿Porque no los dos?

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KaiFireborn21@reddit

Agreed

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lack_of_communicatio@reddit

I know, right? Instead of all that boring story of Avatar (that movie with blue catgirls and catboys), I'd rather watch some 'slice of life' TV show about recombinant Zdinarsik being cute and doing some silly, girly things. Like, idk, being a university graduate student in mineralogy and wandering around the mountains looking for a reason to tell the viewers about the conditions required for sapphire formation, I guess.

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Comrade_Vodkin@reddit

Based.

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Autumn_Fire@reddit

It's sorta crazy how bleach, even for all its faults, still somehow manages to be written better in most regards

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Toowiggly@reddit

I really don't get the appeal of bleach

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Autumn_Fire@reddit

I watched it as a teen and now forever love it due to nostalgia goggles.

The first and last arc are genuinely good shit though.

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FascistPissholeUK@reddit

And the music is top tier

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NeedAChange_123@reddit

I mean, I think OP is a pretty good anime but I’m a fan because of nostalgia for the era, not for the writing. I like it because it’s over the top and very much of its time. Not to be taken seriously at all, just a fun anime that makes me feel good when I watch it.

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Flyerastronaut@reddit

Nipslop?!

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hh26@reddit

What if sometimes instead of gritty grungy depressing stories all the time, we occasionally had wholesome and goofy tales in which the bad guys are obviously evil and then the good guys beat them up? There's barely any left, let the few that still exist continue to exist.

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DICKPICDOUG@reddit

Luffy's appeal is that he is such an absolute idiot that he is able to see past all the bullshit of society and operate based in pure instinctual principles. He's a Nietzchean uber-mench, but stupid. He enforces his will upon the world and changes it to match his personal beliefs about what is right and wrong, and he does so by punching the people he doesn't like. He doesnt need a moral struggle, he doesn't need to "examine his beliefs". He is beyond moral struggle and introspection.

If you're a bad guy I'm gonna beat you up, simple as.

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-Ein@reddit

Problem with Luffy is the series is a million chapters long, and anything about him has to be painfully drip fed because too much can't be revealed until the right moment. Everyone main and minor character gets lore dumps, and Luffy shows up to fight and eat at the end of the arc.

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MikuEmpowered@reddit

I mean, it's like saying my little pony is designed for kids, so it's not exactly complex.

THATS THE FKING POINT.

Shounen is for people of 12-18, kid in a period of time who we describe as "fking stupid", they're not there for in-depth literature analysis or complex political topic. They're there to experience the moment.

It's for people where their greatest issue is not employment or survival in dealing with rent and inflation, their greatest issue is friendship and highschool gossip. This is why One piece and Fairy tale protagonists are written like that. It's for the children who are their age, feels invincible to the world, that fire still hasn't been beaten out of them by society yet.

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Otterevolver@reddit

Im on dressrosa arc and marineford arc was pretty good but one piece is kinda mid tbh. Alot of better anime out there

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Angel_OfSolitude@reddit

Luffy is fun but he's probably the least compelling part of the show. He's been coasting on vibes alone since long before the word was in common use.

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Paladin-Astolfo@reddit (OP)

Ngl, i wouldn’t even say he’s ‘fun’. like normally you’d think a shonen character with his traits would at the very least make for some entertaining moments, instead he’s somehow more generic than your average romcom mc.

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Toowiggly@reddit

I thought moments like him stealing arlong's teeth, water luffy against crocodile, and brainless mode against enel were fairly entertaining and something I wouldn't see from other protagonists

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SonTyp_OhneNamen@reddit

Note how all those feats you mentioned are from like 25 years ago

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Patjay@reddit

They managed to write an intangible charisma into him that’s pretty hard to do with completely fictional characters. It makes it believable that so many people follow him despite being a complete dumbass.

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MagiStarIL@reddit

his morals are never tested

he doesn't know 99% of what's going on in every conflict he's in

keeps fighting and keeps winning

Sounds based

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Owlsthirdeye@reddit

You don't get it, how can I enjoy it if the main characters don't get raped and murdered in the end, it's unrealistic and childish if they win and don't get raped and murdered. Don't you see how much of an adult I am because I only like realistic stories about rape and murder.

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machan12@reddit

“When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” ― C.S. Lewis

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cell689@reddit

You talk about rape a whole bunch despite nobody mentioning anything about it.

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hunterwillian@reddit

Op and no one else in this thread has read one piece, this is the kind of shit people say when all they know about the story comes from YouTube videos.

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agewin162@reddit

Luffy is just Japanese Caillou

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solidsquirrel1@reddit

I refuse to watch this show solely based on the art style. Its absolutely hideous and knowing its also 1000 episode long shonen slop makes me not give a fuck about trying

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Din_Plug@reddit

The art style actually gets worse +500 episodes in after timeskip when the main cast receives a makeover.

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-GhostTank-@reddit

nipslop? yeah, when I'm done with them

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strife696@reddit

He's good for a character within the asian tradition. I really think that context needs to be there. Most "well written" characters today are meant to represent 3 dimensional humans, but Luffy is like a hagiographical mythic character. For a shonen protagonist, he's fairly strong in those regards.

But for reals guys its a comic written for like 12 year olds. It's not meant to be a complicated characterization.

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WhiteSepulchre@reddit

One Piece briefly becomes interesting when it starts following around non-Straw Hats, and then you go back to Luffy whose only notion of good and evil is the history of who he met, who gave him meat, and etc.

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periodicchemistrypun@reddit

Luffy’s notion of good and evil is the best one there is

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yeetusdeletusgg@reddit

The fan letter where we follow some random fodder around and watch as they realize they are NOT built for this is where the series peaked.

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periodicchemistrypun@reddit

Really missing the point;

He’s the one punch man of ethical dilemmas, this is the best thing about the show
Doesnt need to, he’s that clear headed
He is the strongest person on about half the islands he goes to. Morgan, mr 3, do flamingo, hody, gecko, everyone on wano except the two yonko, arlong, everyone on enies lobby but one person that he is only slightly better than.
Four power ups, total, over two decades
Read the manga, the anime sucks

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>Bad guy does bad stuff and all seems lost

>Luffy miraculously returns

>Luffy wins

Rinse and repeat every 50 episodes

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