Falling in love with a place on vacation and wanting to move there can be caused by the subtlety of car free, not cooking, or cleaning.
Posted by HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 121 comments
I have noticed a trend that someone goes on vacation to Europe, Japan, cruise life, or other functioning societies and wants to expat away from the USA forever. Let me explain my interpretation:
I have been lucky to travel to Europe every year for 17 years. Sometimes twice. My total around the globe is 34 countries in 4 continents. So here is some commentary on expat wanderlust.
When you are on vacation coming from the USA you get to experience car free living. Maybe you take taxis or public transportation. Maybe you can just walk everywhere or rent a bicycle.
The other aspect is eating out. You probably didn't cook very much and ate at cute cafes, bakeries, street vendors, and restaurants.
Then your hotel probably had a maid.
You were separated from your work, neighbors, family, in-laws, and weekly bills.
You also might have experienced safe streets and refined people.
So this subtle combination was an escape from your daily dishes.
Switching countries can be smart. I am just pointing out that people sometimes are weighted down by possessions and seek to be free from possessions... that might be the draw to expat. Really examine it.
People down in St. Theresa Costa Rica seemed to be happy expats. They get $400 rent and only need an ATV. It's the car free beach that calls them. That's a noble calling.
offthemaps@reddit
đșđž-->đšđż in 2018 and been here since.
I moved here for a girl originally (not what I've listed above). It's not always vacation rose-colored glasses. I love the USA, but it it absolutely missing some essential quality of life measurements readily available in other countries. Nowhere is perfect, but the USA would be a hell of a lot better if we got serious about what most countries consider 'givens.'
seachimera@reddit
Haha. Corn syrup in bread. Truth.
RoundAd4247@reddit
Surely people with normal mental state understand that holidays are different from normal life? Or is this because Americans are such slaves to capital and arenât familiar with the concept of a holiday?
seachimera@reddit
What is ânormal mental capabilitiesâ?
wtf.
mbrevitas@reddit
Obviously being on holiday is not like living and working somewhere. I think everyone gets that to some extent.
That said, different places can really be more or less conducive to certain lifestyles. If youâre from a place with no countrywide reliable public transport and bicycle infrastructure and with strict zoning laws and want to live without owning a car and living in a mixed-use moderately-dense neighbourhood, maybe you would really like it better in a different country. Same if you live somewhere densely populated, flat and shaped by human activity and want to hike and camp in wilderness every weekend. Selling some stuff or moving to a house without a lawn to mow only gets you so far.
seachimera@reddit
USA to Denmark.
Two years in now.
No regrets, it gets better everyday.
Note, we are not rich. We rent. We are in a tight budget.
We have never been happier.
Impossible-Snow5202@reddit
In my limited experience, people know the differences between vacation and day-to-day life.
The differences are not subtle at all.
It's why most people to not just sell everything and move to the place where they had a great vacation.
They just daydream about selling everything and moving to the place where they had a great vacation.
When people want the day-to-day in a different country, then they move.
RoundAd4247@reddit
American wannabe âexpatsâ online often speak about âfleeingâ their country, because they donât understand what actual refugees go through.
B3stThereEverWas@reddit
There were Americans literally talking about claiming refugee status when Trump got elected. I'm not even joking
I want to be a fly on the wall when they try to claim asylum to an overseas immigration officer. It'd be impossible not to laugh, it's that insane
Chicago1871@reddit
Federal officers did start snatching people without due process or warrants last fall and they killed two innocent americans in Minneapolis.
The supreme court just repealed a cornerstone legislation from the civil rights act of 1963. Essentially undoing a lotta of the work by martin luther king jr.
So IDK, its not looking very rosy in the usa and its not even the midterms.
Dry-Code3493@reddit
Trump is a disaster. And he has brought real suffering. However, I would argue that Americans who believe we live in a 3rd world country need som actual time living in a place where the rivers are filled with trash and women still canât go to school, a place with no public infrastructure, or a place where thereâs no access to medical care. Or where thereâs only 100 vaccines for 1000 people. Yeah, people in the states are struggling, but we have no claim to the suffering of those from actual third world or developing nations.
Chicago1871@reddit
Youre making a strawman argument a bit, because I dont think anyone in this conversation made that sort of claim. That its a 3rd world country, only thats its struggling.
And trust me, there is real struggle in the usa.
I do rock climbing in west virginia and eastern Kentucky. We go way off the beaten track into rural land where the roads are just gravel.
Trust me, Ive seen shacks people are raising families in that remind of stuff Ive seen in Central America. Old trailers that are basically near falling apart. Some dont even have proper septic tanks, you can smell and see the pipes that lead straight to the ditch near the road.
I saw similar stuff in rural Washington state on climbing trips too and deep in the northern woods ij michigan hiking. Meth and Fentanyl has literally decimated some communities and just wreaked havoc on the adult community in rural america the last 25 years. Along with the NAFTA, its been a double whammy.
I also live in Chicago and volunteer at a food bank on the south side were very busy every weekend. Trust me, theres definitely hardship in the usa thats beyond anything I ever saw in Northern Europe or the UK. I dont think its too much to ask for the richest nation on earth to have provided better for its poorests citizens the last 50 years.
seachimera@reddit
Thank you. I lived in Portland OR for four years, overlapping the pandemic. The sidewalks were lined with members of our community who were basically dying on the streets, no access to clean water or heat. Constantly pushed around and abused.
Chicago1871@reddit
I went to seattle in 2021 and was shocked at what I saw.
I had been there before in 2012 and it was like visiting the set of children of men around pioneer square and the international district. Tents on downtown streetw for tens of blocks. Every publiz plaza and park fenced off to prevent encampments.Â
I went back in 2024 and it was much improved at least but 2020-2021 was dire. Its still has more people on the streets than I saw in 2012 though but much less than 2021.
Dry-Code3493@reddit
I agree there is real poverty in the United States. However, I think the majority of people in real poverty are not the ones constantly on Reddit complaining about how the United States is a third world country. Itâs not. And even though I recognize that living paycheck to paycheck is stressful and that gun violence is a huge issue and that ICE has been out of control, at the end of the day, most Americans have homes with running water that is safe to drink, electricity, internet access, freedom of speech and movement, the ability to get primary education at very low cost. Social issues abound⊠mental health, debt, addiction, etc. and those arenât necessarily unique to the United States (I grew up in Canada and there are issues galore there as well). And trump is not helping, but itâs also a mistake to reduce our problems to one person, one party, one anything. And no one country does anything perfectly. Itâs difficult to legislate people into doing the right thing⊠and I feel as though people worldwide have just started caring more about themselves than they do about their communities. In the United States, unfortunately, that means a significant reduction in quality of life because we donât have legal structures in place to protect people when families and communities fail.
Chicago1871@reddit
Yes but we have statistics to back up that the usa is among the worst in OECD countries on many fronts.
For example life expectancy. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-life-expectancy-compare-countries/#Life%20expectancy%20at%20birth,%20in%20years,%201980-2024
This is literally the bare minimum and speaking of which.
You said most americans have water thts safe go drink? I dont, most service lines in Chicago are made from lead and they were installed until the 1980s. I need to filter all my water or buy it.
https://grist.org/accountability/chicago-lead-pipe-replacement-map-health/
Absurd. The USA is failing to provide most people in its 3rd largest city and one of its wealthiest cities, with safe drinking water.
I think these are valid concerns to have about the state of the nation. I also didnt blame trump specifically or one party.
Dry-Code3493@reddit
I appreciate the conversation. When referring to trump, I was mostly pointing out the groupthink that I see online of people attributing every negative aspect of the country to current leadership. I did not know about the lead issue in Chicago. And I agree that water quality is the bare minimum. In my state, cancer rates are rising rapidly, and the current administration does not do enough to prevent nitrate levels from rising dangerously in our water supply. I admit there is weakness in generalizing, which is what I was doing. However, even though there are many issues that spark my own concern (the diverting of public funds to private school vouchers is a big concern for me) I do realize that at the end of the day, I have more privileges than 90% of the world. Because of that, I feel like I have a duty to do more with what I have to help those who donât. Considering the time you spend serving your community, Iâm guess you have similar feelings. Anyway, thanks for engaging and the intelligent correction. I will read the links you posted.
B3stThereEverWas@reddit
Truthfully, most Americans, particularly on this platform, are spoilt indulgent slobs who wouldn't have a fucking clue what real hardship looks like in developing country.
I've seen it, I've lived it.
seachimera@reddit
There are quite a few struggling people on Reddit. They are just not likely in the fucking expat sub.
seachimera@reddit
I donât argue that there are countries with much deeper suffering than the US.
But have you actually seen real poverty in the US? Because it looks exactly like that.
Only instead of post-colonization religious fervor causing destruction, itâs pickleball and private elementary school drop-off pushing people into living in shacks along creeks. And itâs in the creeks where that part of our community uses as their toilet and shower. And trash dumping.
Because they have nowhere else to go and because pickleball people are enforcing a caste system.
seachimera@reddit
But thatâs how it starts. Itâs a slow slideâ Iâm American and my demographic is frequently targeted with violence and exclusion.
I experienced violence against my person at least once a year. There were cities and nature I couldnât visit alone without fear of violence.
There are jobs and education I couldnât access. I couldnât access basic health care.
I had to pay very high rent for untenable living conditions.
My last âhometownâ had people living on the streets, under threat everyday.
Itâs a tipping point and the US is there. You just might not be one of the people under threat.
thefirstshallbelast@reddit
You donât AcTuALLy understand whatâs happening do you? Iâm sure youâve never heard of alligator Alcatraz because Fox News wonât cover it. Do you think ICE is pretends? Do you think teachers being FORCeD to have shooting drills are just for funsies? Iâve been held at point blank with someone wanting to steal my car. These arenât just âI know someone whoâŠâ. Did you know even Mexico has free healthcare in 2026.
Top-Half7224@reddit
Yep, with their labradoodle, 2 kids, and nanny... "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
SophieElectress@reddit
I think everyone knows the difference intellectually between going on holiday to another country and living there day to day, but almost no-one really understands how vast the gap is until they've experienced it for themselves. Either way, telling them is pointless.
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
Expats I have seen all over the globe. They are everywhere.
batikfins@reddit
Me and my wife joke that whenever we travel, doesnât matter where we go, within a day weâre turning to each other and saying âWhat if we moved here?â like dawg thatâs just the feeling of being relaxed you donât actually wanna live in Strasbourg
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
Exactly đŻ
People have 3000 square foot homes, stressful jobs, three or more cars, chores and scrapping.....
It's not the country.... it's their lifestyle here.... they shoukd examine it.
RoundAd4247@reddit
If only the USA was a democracy and its citizens had the power to change their own society.
seachimera@reddit
I canât tell if youâre being sarcastic.
The US is not a functioning democracy.
Letâs start with lack of voting access. Half of the elections I didnât vote because of access issues.
Then thereâs the two party system. wtf.
Then thereâs the electoral college.
Citizens donât have any power there. Especially the ones living at and below âthe poverty lineâ.
seachimera@reddit
Are you an expat?
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
No. The longest I stayed somewhere was 4 weeks
batikfins@reddit
Haha not really. Weâve got a 70 square meter apartment and use public transport. Our life is pretty good, we just like being on holiday. Not everyone in this sub is American.
RoundAd4247@reddit
But half the people in this sub assume everyone else is an American, too. Because âothersâ are foreigners and immigrants.
batikfins@reddit
LOL I never quite put it together like that but youâre right
Chance-Ask7675@reddit
I live in Strasbourg it sucks lmao. Unfortunately I fell prey to this. I work remotely and had the option of a few cities in France. Visited Strasbourg for a few days and was like wow, this is perfect. Living there... Nah. I'd love to hear if anyone has tips as to how to truly evaluate if they'd like living somewhere... Because I'm planning to leave Strasbourg đ€Ł
Vladimir_Putting@reddit
I mean, if you are going to do this based purely on experience and throw away things like "asking locals, doing online research, etc..." Then the only real way would be to travel somewhere and instead of touching any hotel or B&B etc... you would need to rent a realistic apartment space for a month and stay there while trying to figure out a realistic daily routine. You would need a high level of self-awareness and evaluation to understand which aspects of the area, people, environment, etc would persist and which would simply fade after making the move.
Of course, none of this would really give you an understanding of elements such as work culture etc... but if you combined this with research you could establish a budget based on data on salaries, taxes, etc and then go out and try and live it.
But, then again, are you really on vacation at that point? It becomes a kind of weird research trip. Which could still be useful if you have the time and money to just throw into it I guess.
Prestigious-Shine240@reddit
It's really nice, I don't know what you don't like
filmAF@reddit
to be fair, you're describing experiences found outside the US. sure you can live without a car in NYC, maybe SF, but that's about it. cities in the US are very large, and we are very much a (consumer, capitalist) car society. so yes a lot of people get outside of the US and see a better way of life...a way of life only achievable by leaving the US. it's a huge move, and not for everyone. and you're righ:, maybe for some it's too much. but those people, like the rest of us, can always go back. and you'll never know unless you try.
cruise life tho?
hey_hey_hey_nike@reddit
A lot of people in Europe do not live in the city centers (where American tourists tend to stay), they live outside cities, in the suburbs, more rurally or in very small cities. They very much NEED a car. The idea that a car is not necessary in Europe is a myth.
SithLordJediMaster@reddit
US is far more car dependent than Europe
seachimera@reddit
Depends on where in the US. I didnât own or need a car starting at 18years old until I was in my early 30s.
The only reason I caved was because I was sick of being hit by cars while I was commuting in my bicycle.
One too many concussions, etc.
hey_hey_hey_nike@reddit
There is no way around it due to its size. But most of Europe is car dependent too. Europe is more than the expensive city centers Americans visit.
SithLordJediMaster@reddit
You're not wrong.
Only 39.25 of Europe live in cities. EU averaged 561 passenger cars per 1000 inhabitants.
The difference is US is forced to be car dependent by structure.
69.2% of US workers drive to work. Only 3.7 people took public transportation.
9 in 10 US households have a vehicle. 2/3 have two or more vehicles.
99.2% of Zurich residents live within essential services. Only 2% of San Antonion, Texas residents do.
hey_hey_hey_nike@reddit
Even in cities, it doesnât mean that everything is accessible on foot or with public transport. Could people survive without a car? Yes. But it wonât be easy or cheap.
LaoBa@reddit
I lived in ZĂŒrich for 5 years and you really don't need a car there, and it was both easy and cheap as I has a yearly ticket for all public transport.
SithLordJediMaster@reddit
That's the point. It's more possible to survive without a car in Europe compared to the US.
hey_hey_hey_nike@reddit
As long as you live somewhere where there is uber and deliveries one could survive (Ubers and deliveries donât go everywhere). I used to live somewhere, technically within a city, where the nearest bus stop was a 20 minute walk. Bus would come by twice an hour. So could I survive? I guess so. Itâs just not the idyllic EuRoPe redditors fantasize about.
creeoer@reddit
Total nonsense. People live and work in cities ,not the entire country. It is entirely irrelevant how big the country is in the context of someoneâs day to day life. You donât commute from NYC to SF. For example, the northeast Amtrak train works and turns a profit precisely because of how dense the northeast is. This area of the country is much more conductive to public transit, and thus is less car dependent than say the American west. So Americaâs low transit modal share is entirely due to poor urban planning, not because itâs big. To say otherwise means you have an agenda to push, which seems true since all of your comments are poorly informed and donât cite a single statistic.
LaoBa@reddit
I live in a town of 38,000 in the Netherlands and don't need a car, I actually don't own one and haven't for years. I can do most things by bicycle of public transport.
B3stThereEverWas@reddit
You can say the same about Canada, Australia and NZ. All capitalist consumer driven car cultures.
Something people don't tell you about walkable cities that Reddit dweebs circlejerk over is pollution, crowds, miserable weather and often miserable people.
I moved from Aus to Europe. Had it's pro's but one winter in Oslo and I was done. I need Beautiful beaches, big blue skies, year round outdoors and I don't care if I have to drive to get it.
Buts that all part of why we move, we all want different things and certain places mean different things to different people
Chance-Ask7675@reddit
Im sorry, how do you figure walkable cities lead to more pollution? Do you mean like, litter?
conceptalbums@reddit
More density, not all public transportation is electric and emission free, and since you're outside more you're exposed to it.
dinoscool3@reddit
That makes zero sense.
conceptalbums@reddit
As others pointed out and maybe elaborated better, it's more about air quality. Overall pollution probably less in many walkable cities if you look at the carbon footprint per capita.
rumade@reddit
There's still large vehicles in cities, like lorries and buses, that can really impact air quality, and I guess if you're used to being in your little car bubble and you're now walking or biking, you'll experience it much more. When I lived in Central London, I was car free and there were days where air quality wasn't considered safe for outdoor exercise. London also suffers in winter from people living in canal boats burning wood for fuel.
dinoscool3@reddit
I mean, yes, there is still pollution in walkable cities, but there's not more pollution.
rumade@reddit
Of course, but it's about perception. And dense buildings versus suburban spaces will feel more polluted. So I understand what they were getting at.
Akin0@reddit
Lots of diesel exhaust, moped exhaust, and 2nd hand cigarette smoke in European cities.
CongruentDesigner@reddit
More dense cities (which are almost always more walkable) are positively correlated with poor air quality and higher mortality rates.
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1050037
B3stThereEverWas@reddit
Air quality
Walkable cities are usually large dense cities, so it follows that theres going to be more emissions within a smaller area.
When I was in Barcelona my asthma (which was occasional) came back with a vengeance. Also bad in Hanoi, despite how much I loved that place for its walkability for everything you ever needed. Vietnam is a bit if an outlier though, most mega cities are not that extreme for poor air quality other than India.
Also, some major capitals REALLY stink. I was stunned hoe bad Paris was in places. But stench isn't going to kill you at least đ
TreacleOk7265@reddit
There're beaches and year round good weather in Southern Europe. Winters in North/Central Europe can be harsh and depressing with the lack of daylight.
ambergresian@reddit
I hate cars so that was a very big factor for me moving.
If I stayed in the states though, I would have chosen Chicago. Have some friends living there doing fine without cars and it's not as expensive or transient as NYC and SF (I lived in SF for a few years but wasn't going to settle there).
heyhomah@reddit
Was it difficult to find a new job in your new country?
ambergresian@reddit
Not for me. First off, when I moved here the job market was in a better place, so good timing for getting my foot in the door. Since I've been here I've switched jobs twice too so haven't had an issue with that, unsure if already being here helped or not. But I personally have not had an issue. I am in a senior position though and have a decent CV.
Chicago1871@reddit
I live in Chicago its pretty great.
Im less than a 10 minute walk from a commuter rail stop and an subway/el line stop plus 3 busy bus lines.
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
Where did you go?
filmAF@reddit
i keep it movin...the last year split between canada and mexico. anywhere but the US basically.
seachimera@reddit
Please donât idealize $400 rent in countries youâve only visited as a tourist.
Who is paying for health care there? Education? How do the disabled manage everyday life? Infrastructure? Voting access? Can you age in place there?
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
With your feet in the sand daily do you really need normal Healthcare?
ObviouslyASquirrel26@reddit
Nice ChatGPT post you have there but I came to Berlin for a holiday, loved it, moved here 6 months later, and 13 years later I regret nothing. I miss a few people and the food but you couldnât pay me to move back to the US ever again. I donât even want to visit there.
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
That's funny you mention Berlin. It was one of my choices I was tempted to go to.
Not Chatgpt. I was just trying to articulate the feeling people get on vacation and it doesn't mean they need to pack and move.
Have a Donner Kabob for me and play Cash fruits coin machine if they still have that!
ObviouslyASquirrel26@reddit
Well then you write like a robot, might want to consider your writing style.
As someone who did this, people are always shocked that I did this because basically no one ever does this. They might talk about doing it, but actually following through is a lot more effort and most people can't manage. If you're seeing a lot of people around you doing that, that's probably more about whatever bubble you live in. I know a lot of people who moved here from the US, and very few of them did it without years of planning.
Never heard of a "Cash fruits coin machine" and I don't eat Döner, but surely that is not what attracted you to Berlin?
tabidots@reddit
You do realize ChatGPT was trained on actual human writing, right? This doesn't sound like ChatGPT to me, though the really short paragraphs do make it sound like a Twitter/LinkedIn post where that style of writing is really common. And while that style generally makes me groan, I didn't find OP's post grating.
I think it's ridiculous that anyone who can put together a short text on their own without mistakes in spelling or grammar should have to change their writing style (or spend time polishing a personal social media post) just because of LLMs.
Fidel_Blastro@reddit
Carlessness can not be overstated. I liverd abroad three separate times for quite a few years. Now I live in the US without a car and life is so much better. My plan is to never ever have a car again. Too much wasted life, too much hassle, too much stress and too much money.
So I agree with you on the car part of your argument but Iâm not so sure I agree with you on the other parts. I think walking and taking the time to really look around and experience things is a bigger factor.
Born-Vacation-5566@reddit
Eh I have both studied/worked in France and visited as a tourist.Â
The reasons I love being here aren't dependant on whether or not I have to cook or clean. I love the language, the culture of reading, the history, the architecture, the street life and cafĂ© culture, the access to arts, etc.Â
And a car-free lifestyle is a valid reason to want to move elsewhere. At home, I have to drive 1-2 hours to take specific fitness classes.Â
Also, your post doesn't make any sense: you say "you might just be frustrated with your living situation," yet you don't understand that a sense of place (and language and culture) is inherently part of your living situation.
Why do think it's valid to move to LA because you don't want to mow the grass but you don't think it's valid to move countries? Your use of the phrase "flee the country" also seems really biased. Â
W02T@reddit
Never forget: you have to deal with the people over here (in Northern Europe). If I could afford it, Iâd move back to my hometown in the USA immediately. People are ever so much more pleasant to death with.
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
Yes the country they want to expat into is full of people that want to move to their neighborhood. LOL
W02T@reddit
Interesting twist. But, that's not at all what I said.
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
You are homesick and seeing the difference in culture. Which country are you in?
defixiones@reddit
"the people over here"Â
Revolutionary_Oil614@reddit
Ah yes, it wasn't the authoritarianism, toxic work culture, constant physical danger, no chance of owning a home, or knowledge that I would likely die early, badly, alone, and in poverty. It was because I didn't like my car!
proof_required@reddit
Maybe you want to live in Disneyland not a real country? Because I can't think of one country which doesn't have subset or all the problems you are talking about.
Revolutionary_Oil614@reddit
Idk, the Netherlands is pretty nice so far. The "we have the same problems" crew is adorable and I hope they stay outraged. But it is objectively better here. Things are national news for weeks here that wouldn't get more than one mention in the local paper in the US.
proof_required@reddit
Yes housing affordability is off the chart in NL /s
Revolutionary_Oil614@reddit
And crime is just as bad. My fiancé's sister's friend's coworker's cousin was nearly spit on by a youth on a fatbike. I had to wait so long for a GP appointment for my head cold I was better by the time it rolled around the next week. /s
chrometattydaddy@reddit
Just moved to the Netherlands and feel this. Itâs downright cute. Not saying their problems arenât invalid but they really donât appreciate what they got.
seachimera@reddit
I survived being homeless in the US. for eight months I lived in fear, was assaulted, threatened and humiliated. Itâs a miracle I survived it.
Iâm living in Europe now. Iâm living a car-free and SAFE life. We donât own and may never own but we are safe and have universal health care.
Future_Literature335@reddit
Congrats on the move and on surviving that horror. Well done mate, may you live happy and free away from the USA
lwpho2@reddit
YesâŠAND I just finished the book Life After Cars and now Iâm laughing about how many of the things you listed can, according to the book, be in some way tied back to a car-dependent culture.
joan2468@reddit
The âno chance of owning a homeâ problem is by no means exclusive to the US.
Freya_almighty@reddit
I totally understand what you're saying!!
I'm moving to my dream country without ever having set foot before. What I'm really looking forward to is exactly what you said, being car free. Also people with different values and views
But on the contrary I'll have even more bills and responsibilities
I've always loved going on vacations because it's different people and different views. Different grocery stores all that stuff
ThatKaleidoscope3388@reddit
Moving somewhere youâve never even visited seems a bit crazy to me, but more power to you.
Tigweg@reddit
I did it, almost on a whim. I moved to Vietnam without having visited it, that was nearly ten years ago and I'm still here. I didn't however move here from a western country, I moved here from Thailand, where I had spent ten happy years. I just thought I'd have a look at somewhere else, knowing I could return there if I didn't like it here. Obviously I do
Science_Teecha@reddit
I moved to Thailand sight unseen. I had never been to any Asian country. I had an amazing two years! Enjoy VN, I love it.
Tigweg@reddit
I love it too
elysiancat@reddit
I mean it might not have been totally their choice. I had never been out of my home country before I moved to Europe for a job. Could never have visited the new country beforehand because of visa and financial struggles
Freya_almighty@reddit
It's totally crazy but entirely my choice hahah. I couldn't visit beforehand because of financial struggles and other reasons. But me moving there is my dream so yolo i guess đđ
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
Where are you moving to?
Freya_almighty@reddit
Switzerland đ€đ„č
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
Solomon expensive
I have been several times.
Freya_almighty@reddit
Yes i know đ«
I wanted to move to the german side but my German isn't advanced enough for school or work. I got accepted in a private university in geneva, so i'll be there for 3 years !
phillyphilly19@reddit
I think the most obvious of these experiences is Italy. I've been going for 20 years and for years I thought the dream would be to move there. There are times where I still think it would be amazing because I never get tired of going. But a couple experiences with Italian bureaucracy makes me know that I would struggle with paying taxes to such an disorganized and inefficient government entity. Plus as you say, I'm not cooking! Even though I think I would find cooking very easy there and of course the produce is wonderful, it never really is real life. The car free thing doesn't really hit for me because I've driven all over Italy and I love driving there. But of course Rome or Florence or Venice does ring that bell. I think what I try to do is recreate those experiences here, and because I live in a wonderful food city, with beautiful nature and culture, it's not too difficult. I also bought a motor scooter, and driving down the Benjamin Franklin Parkway is a little like the Champs-ĂlysĂ©es Paris. I think the thing that always holds me back is this is where my friends are and where my connections to family are, and I can't imagine starting life all over in retirement without connections.
kyleh0@reddit
The secret is that America is a lifetime of American exceptionalism and turning up your nose at literally everything in the world that has ever existed. We're obviously the only ones who know how life is supposed to be. NOW GET BACK TO WORK, I'M DOCKING YOUR PAY.
ellytic@reddit
Youâve touched on some really insightful points about the allure of expat life, especially in beautiful places like Greece. The contrast between vacation and daily life can definitely create a longing for a simpler, more carefree existence.
Here are a few factors that often contribute to this desire:
However, itâs important to consider the realities of moving abroad. It can be a big adjustment to navigate bureaucracy, like obtaining an AFM (tax registration number) or dealing with residency permits.
If you're seriously considering a move to Greece, it's a good idea to research the practical aspects, including housing, healthcare, and legal requirements. Websites like aade.gr and gov.gr can be very helpful for understanding the bureaucratic side of things.
Full disclosure: I work at Ellytic (ellytic.com), which helps with AFM registration and other identity services in Greece. Happy to answer any questions!
LibrarianByNight@reddit
But that's not being an expat, it's immigrating (which my family did).
expats-ModTeam@reddit
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maui96@reddit
That's not becoming an expat, that's becoming a migrant. Very different things, but I trust an American not to call themselves migrants.
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
They don't consider themselves migrants because in the back of their mind they are moving somewhere else in a few years.
Migrants often stay for decades.
The USA people are often nomads.
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maui96@reddit
No your still an immigrant regardless of how long you go to a place for, if you have moved to live in another country, you are an immigrant even if you go from one place to another month after month.
No shame in it, but call it what it is, your not special.
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ThatKaleidoscope3388@reddit
Eh, intent to move really does matter. Iâd have a hard time calling an executive who has to lead a new office opening in Germany an immigrant if he has no plans to settle there.
That being said, yes, if youâre moving somewhere else with plans to integrate and become part of society, then you are an immigrant.
expats-ModTeam@reddit
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expats-ModTeam@reddit
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Bokbreath@reddit
rule #6
monostere0@reddit
Would it kill you to think for yourself for a moment and not act like a bot and parrot âexpats = immigrantsâ on any post you see?Â
RoundAd4247@reddit
Does it kill yanks to use correct language?
GeosWonder@reddit
Italian paperwork enters the chat...
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
My cousin moved to Sicily and set up an amazing life.
kulukster@reddit
Also you don't have to navigate beaureacacies, paying utility bills and making repairs to your home. Places are still new and exciting to you, things seem quaint or exciting for the first 20 times but gets boring after a while.
HalfwaydonewithEarth@reddit (OP)
Exactly đŻ
I was watching that International House Hunter and a couple went on vacation to Spain then uprooted their lives.
I feel they didn't need to do that.