Why does nobody talk about how bad knife and gun crime was in Milton Keynes 2011-2022 ever since then I don’t think there’s been any death involving the youth/young men
Posted by Technical-Change-402@reddit | miltonkeynes | View on Reddit | 45 comments
Necessary-Nobody8138@reddit
The demographic in MK schools changed rapidly from 2010 onwards. I worked as a teacher there from 2005.
BraveLordWilloughby@reddit
How so?
TreKeyz@reddit
This person is saying lots of black and brown people came and thats what caused knife crime to rise.
Those black and brown people are still there and knife crime has gone down, so I don't know how this works exactly.
And lots of the knife crime was committed by white British, but again, its the demographics definitely, mmhmm, and that's why we must all vote reform.
tL9eUdcLaz@reddit
Drill culture is largely to blame. Can't go anywhere these days without teenagers black and white ballyed up all in black. May even be good kids but theres always a few who actually believe in the lyrics.
TreKeyz@reddit
This is more of an explanation than demographic changes. The issues that cause knife crime are socioeconomic, not ethnicity. The only way race factors into it is when we consider the systemic disparity which caused lots of black and brown people to be those lower socioeconomic classes.
Mysterious-Fortune-6@reddit
That's not the case. White people of similar socioeconomic profile are still proportionately less represented in victim and perpetrator figures. You can't simply separate socioeconomic status and ethnicity, it's more complicated than that. They are intertwined and culture has a major role to play.
TreKeyz@reddit
Black people are disproportionately represented largely in London based knife crime, marginally outside of London. Black people are also disproportionately represented in socioeconomic status in London and throughout the UK. It is absolutely caused by systemic issues which affect the black community. It is not caused by black people in general, and a growing number of black people in MK is not the obvious cause of a knife crime increase, it is the most simple minded explanation.
Perhaps inadequate public services, which were stripped to their bare basics during 14 years of a government who did not prioritise them, had led to a lack of welfare or resources in the growing community of MK, and this had led to the increase in knife crime. That would make much more sense than 'demographics have changed'.
Sea_Peanut_6887@reddit
London's now a rich city, arguably the richest in the U.K. There are much poorer places that do not have the same rate of perpetrators in the U.K.
tL9eUdcLaz@reddit
mate the majority of the victims and perpetrators here were black. I am mixed race. I will say it how it is. You are blind if you can't see a pattern
darybrain@reddit
Shouldn't they be carrying cordless drills instead of knives? I'm imagining one kid got a wired one instead and trying to find a plug or carrying a hand drill because they are smaller and easier to hide so trying to use that instead.
Desperate_Question35@reddit
Take your head out of your ass and face reality. 3% of the population of London commit 61% of all knife related murders and it's pretty much the same for gun crime. Those stats are horrific and the problem isn't going away by pretending it doesn't exist.
Material-Sentence-84@reddit
Well said, the saying the truth hurts really annoys lefty Reddit folk.
TreKeyz@reddit
The truth does hurt. We just have different perspectives on what the truth is.
Material-Sentence-84@reddit
Look at the photos and draw your conclusions… stats show the truth here
Imaginary-Dog7773@reddit
Is your point that black people commit more knife crime because of something in their genetics? Can you please point to what that is?
I don't understand what the conclusion is that you're trying to make. It sounds like you've just not thought your racism all the way through.
TreKeyz@reddit
It also isnt going away by focusing only on the surface level. The bigger problem is the driving force behind it. This is not a race problem, its a racism problem and it dates back decades.
My point is that a 'changing demographic' does not automatically explain a rise in knife crime. More black people doesnt equal more knife crime. I bet most of the perpetrators in MK have been here a long time, not part of the 'changing demographic'.
Its a socioeconomic issue, not a race issue, but it is a racism issue, because a certain demographic has been disproportionately sidelined into a lower socioeconomic status.
Thats the reality.
Desperate_Question35@reddit
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Lexcooo@reddit
BME people are vastly over represented in prison/violent crime statistics.
AwaySession5168@reddit
I mean I'm not from this area and I would never vote reform or conservative. But if these pictures are representative of the deaths over that more than a decade then it goes against your premise
Necessary-Nobody8138@reddit
Who said that?
Mysterious-Fortune-6@reddit
Black people are disproportionately victims of knife crime. That's a fact and the fact that some victims and perpetrators are white doesn't change that and your Reform point is just shoehorning something in that's not very relevant.
However as you say unless there has been a sudden exodus of the demographics most affected by this type of crime - highly unlikely - this can't be the explanation for any drop.
Winston_Carbuncle@reddit
Do you have the same stats for perpetrators of knife crime?
Seems a bit disingenuous to only focus on one half if we're looking at it through a socioeconomic lense such as race.
Mysterious-Fortune-6@reddit
The stats are certainly available. I prefer to focus on the victim side as I think it's more important to highlight the harms to a community. It's too easy to slip into the other half i.e. pointing the finger at the black community for the level of perpetrators and forget about the most important bit, where the effects are most suffered.
Winston_Carbuncle@reddit
But it's part of the same conversation, no?
Rather than the effects being suffered predominately in one community, the full picture, if I'm understanding what you're alluding to, is that knife crime in general is an issue within one communication specifically.
You don't think the full picture is relevant to the discussion?
How do you prevent victims without being aware of who the perpetrators are?
Mysterious-Fortune-6@reddit
Yes it's part of the same conversation. I wouldn't suggest that aspect is ignored.
TreKeyz@reddit
Are black people disproportionately victims of knife crime because they are black, or is it something else which just so happens to affect black people disproportionately?
My point was that knife crime is a symptom of a different problem, rather than a growth in the black population.
My Reform point is well placed because this type of comment/thinking is the fuel to the rise of reform.
WhiskeyMakesMeHick@reddit
FWIW, it’s the same demographic who were responsible for almost all of the stabbing where I was growing up in a mixed area of east London, the same people who are still out there running drugs lines and grooming young kids to work for them.
Material-Sentence-84@reddit
Don’t be silly look at the photos
TreKeyz@reddit
Thats a very simplistic conclusion.
The truth however, is far more complex.
SiteTraditional6418@reddit
Because, compared to most other places the size of MK the violent crime rate was and is low.
News media are more concerned with focusing on hotspots and pretending that represents the entire country.
Desperate_Question35@reddit
No it's not. I have family who live there that grew up there and they say it's worse than it's ever been. Chopper in the sky every night and stabbings are now pretty much the norm.
FiveUperdan@reddit
Have you thought about looking at the data instead of anecdotes?
Firm_Parsnip_8285@reddit
Because everyone is eternally negative about everything no matter the situation.
VelvetVice-Dear@reddit
Yeah, it’s weird how progress just kind of gets ignored.
Feels like people only remember MK as “that place with stabbings and shootings” and don’t clock that it was way worse around 2011–2015 than it is now. The news moves on, people keep the scary headline in their head, and no one updates their mental picture when things actually improve.
Hertfordgal@reddit
Because it’s 2026
Slight-Strategy-5619@reddit
Absolute waste of lives. Makes no sense.
tL9eUdcLaz@reddit
Its a much smaller area compared to major cities, and arguably easier to control.
Usually its a specific subset of people who are the problem. Once they are locked up or taken out of the equation i.e moving them, crime can go down dramatically in areas.
You will find it will come and go in specific years. Those years were terrible, the people were locked up and then it will grow again later and the cycle will repeat.
Ask any police officer and its usually the same specific people or families who are the call outs. Less than 2% of the population causing 90% of the issues.
FlakySausageRoll@reddit
Because car cruises are a more pressing issue, apparently
ObviousLake230@reddit
Bro it was crazy fishermead was nicknamed chiraq There was a lot of unreported fatal stabbing When I say alott of people was inches away from dying I mean it I remember hearing something about a Somali boy getting thrown off the conni-city bridge whatever you call it It was either conni or the fishers one Was it true?
jurassictwat@reddit
Its very difficult, near impossible for a near fatal or fatal stabbing to remain unreported. Hospital protocol is to report anything that could be remotely close to a stab wound to police and if someone was genuinely murdered - family and friends would report them as missing at the very least. If someone was stabbed and didn't go to the hospital for treatment then that is the only circumstance I can see the matter going unreported. Not disputing that knife crime was particularly bad though.
sw4gz@reddit
Not necessarily true. I watched a guy get attacked with a machete in his car in Walnut Tree. He received multiple stab wounds. I saw the two attackers, one flew past me on a bike. I kept my eye on the news. He went to hospital and just didn’t say anything. Barely made Mk citizen. This must happen a lot surely?
SiteTraditional6418@reddit
Just because something doesn't make the media rounds doesn't meant it's not reported.
Most crimes don't make it to media.
newtonbase@reddit
Knife crime is down 18% based on the latest yearly figures. Let's hope it keeps on that path.
ZealousidealCell627@reddit
I don’t remember it being this bad 9 young people probably more who died over fuckery
I went to school with Jefferey the first guy he was so harmless one of them guys that just make everyone happy RIP to everyone I hear people complaining about youth running around cmk but atleast there not stabbing each other
Technical-Change-402@reddit (OP)
I also went school wid Jefferey Stantonbury days he was the funniest guy 😂 he was the yr above me i also knew suhaib also mo