I bought a Mac and went back to Linux.

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Glittering-Link4985@reddit

ARM PCs running linux flawlessly is what I'm anxiously waiting for.

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Desertcow@reddit

ARM runs Linux fine, but ARM is less standardized than x86 so manufacturers can put their own crap on top to make it difficult to run on Linux

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It's the drivers. Most of the SoC makers aren't providing drivers that can be rolled into the Linux Kernel (they're not even thinking about open source), and that makes supporting new SoCs a crapshoot.

The CPUs work fine enough. But you're not putting a CPU in a socket, you're buying a whole system (at the moment), and as a private citizen without a contract to support the SoC from the vendor, you're SOL.

That can change, but it's unlikely to be soon - the size of the 'Linux consumer laptop/desktop' market doesn't register next to the Windows and MacOS markets.

(it would take someone like System76 to roll distros for such SoCs, basically)

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fgiancane8@reddit

Most of this is incorrect. Linux license obliges vendors to open source their changes should they ship products with Linux. Possibly they are not working upstream and thus provide their vendored kernel but drivers are there.

The problem here used to be arm which wasn’t exposing standard interfaces for generic boot. With BBR and SBBR it’s mandated for arm chips to support firmware (arm trusted firmware) and expose acpi, uefi and device trees in standard way.

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airmantharp@reddit

There's nothing incorrect about vendors ignoring obligations to Linux, unfortunately.

I'm not stating what it should be, I'm stating what it is.

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fgiancane8@reddit

As far as I can tell from kernel logs, very few devices are unsupported from major SoCs vendors. Arm reference designs are supported by arm itself (upstream)… which device(s) were you referring to specifically? Maybe I am missing something here

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airmantharp@reddit

Are you talking about the CPUs, or everything including video, modems, acceleration blocks etc.?

And is this support flowing through the mainstream distributions?

I’m happy to be wrong, but this comes up every time something that’s been on the market gets brought up in the context of being built up for “desktop” use.

Finding a distribution to run - let alone one that’s actually supported and gets updates - is very rare!

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fgiancane8@reddit

Everything. Have a look at the /drivers folder of the linux kernel. You'll see that many blocks are supported. The thing is that, as I mentioned in the other message, there are two components that are required for desktop use case:

- drivers being properly upstreamed

- generic boot methods to probe/find devices

arm used to be an architecture tied to embedded use case so there was no standard booting method like on x86 (uefi+acpi). That makes difficult to have a generic distribution build and instead you needed to rely on specific versions and combinations.

Now that arm64 has ratified the support for acpi/uefi/device tree in firmware, things are going to change. Fedora 44 should be able to boot out of the box on snapdragon devices as an instance.

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airmantharp@reddit

Good information, thanks!

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fgiancane8@reddit

no worries! sadly it's not always easy to spread updated information but I feel reddit is a good vehicle and source for this :)

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fgiancane8@reddit

It used to be less standardised. The new specs fixed this with full support for uefi and acpi

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Ok-Winner-6589@reddit

Plus nobody release arm chips other than Apple and they design the chips so we get no drivers (well asahi Linux is there tho)

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fgiancane8@reddit

Qualcomm has released plenty of compute chips. Nvidia is coming along with mediatek.

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thephotoman@reddit

There are other vendors. But Apple is doing the best job of making ARM chips right now. If you can get an M1, go ahead and run Asahi on it. It should be about 85% of the way there, with some software availability concerns, mostly for proprietary software.

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rolyantrauts@reddit

I prob would not get anything less than an M$ when the NVME stopped being soldered on. I am a M4 owner and didn't go 2nd user because of how nuts it is that pre M4 you can not swap out and replace your NVME.

M4's are likely going to be available in mass very soon and yeah they make a good 2nd user machine.

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thephotoman@reddit

M4’s also cannot boot Linux right now.

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rolyantrauts@reddit

Never said they could, just that a soldered on NVME is actually a pretty bad 2nd user buy.

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frisbeethecat@reddit

I bought a Pinebook Pro a few years ago. It has ARM64 Rockchip RK3399 SoC running Manjaro. It's about equivalent to a mid to low end Chromebook that you'd install Linux on. It has a nice magnesium body and a cheap $200 price point. The vendor (pine64.org) still sells replacement parts.

The Apple M1 blows it out of the water, but that's apple to oranges. It's reliable. I can surf the web, run emacs, and compile LaTeX docs. And you can boot it and run it without any proprietary blobs, except for the radio chip, so you'd need a USB network dongle if you want to go full Trisquel.

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Desertcow@reddit

A lot of companies make arm chips, though almost none sell arm chips meant for desktop/laptops with Linux support

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BigBad01@reddit

I've been using Arm on Linux for 5+ years. Most things work just fine, but I suppose it depends on what specifically you want to do.

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ApprehensiveDelay238@reddit

Did you try homebrew?

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Strict_Albatross4362@reddit (OP)

No. I could learn how to use Homebrew. I know it's an interesting tool.

But, as a Fedora KDE user, I don't remember ever needing to use the command line. I don't want to depend on the command line on a Mac, simple as that.

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Turbulent_Fig_9354@reddit

I don't mean this is a disparaging way but refusing to use the command line is kind of a big self own ngl

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Elden_Lord_69@reddit

Feels like a troll post. OP has barely explored both Linux and macOS if they refuse to use the terminal.

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KnowZeroX@reddit

I don't think the OP is trolling, we just have to remember that as linux grows larger, we are going to get more of all kinds of users, including ones that have no interest in using the terminal.

Linux Desktop has come a long long way to how it was before, to the point where the most difficult part these days is just installing it (which in itself isn't particularly hard) unless you are unlikely enough to have incompatible hardware which is in itself becoming rarer and rarer.

We just have to accept that linux isn't just limited to tech savvy users anymore.

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Elden_Lord_69@reddit

I just can’t understand that mindset. I think savviness matters much less than enthusiasm. I have no issues with helping out people who are scared of or confused by the terminal because they haven’t used it much before. That’s totally normal and part of the process when you’re first learning something new. But to dig in your heels and refuse to use the terminal despite committing to Linux for the long term makes no sense. Anti-CLI people are missing out on a lot of power, efficiency, and the joy of understanding how computers work.

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space_prostitute@reddit

as a Fedora KDE user, I don't remember ever needing to use the command line

omg, you're not even a Linux user. lmfao

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Blu3iris@reddit

I noticed you said needing to be logged into the app store to install applications. I've been out of the loop and haven't used a mac since Mountain lion. Are DMGs not a thing anymore? I remember a lot of apps you'd download the DMG and then drag the app to the applications folder.

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imheretocomment@reddit

They are still a thing and homebrew casks are a thing too. OP is just being extremely obtuse.

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mrmiketheripper@reddit

They are!

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space_prostitute@reddit

Having to be logged into the App Store to install applications

Yikes, I'd never do that. I either use brew, or compile my own.

Sorry it didn't work out for you, not really sure what your point is, though. Everyone has their preferences. Peace.

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copperheadchode@reddit

Sounds like operator error more than anything tbh.

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OptimalAnywhere6282@reddit

i want to get a mac for the hardware and run a Linux VM for anything else.

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BreathSpecial9394@reddit

There are things that is not just easy to do in a Mac, simple things, like for example enter reader mode in Safari and copy the page, then paste into Notes and it doesn't retain the formatting. Many little things like that.

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Swaaeeg@reddit

Download firefox then?

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BreathSpecial9394@reddit

Is an inconvenience because iCloud Private Relay only works in Safari. I am currently on Linux btw.

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Swaaeeg@reddit

I mean so am i. I literallt just bought my first macbook 2 weeks ago for work. One of the first things i did was install firefox because safari sucks.

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Sylente@reddit

I know this is /r/linux so this kind of post does well, but you literally don’t have to use the App Store on macOS unless you want to install something from Apple directly. Most stuff GUI apps are installed through downloading it from the internet, just like every other OS. You said in another comment that you never used the command line, so this is the one that confuses me most of all. How were you installing stuff on fedora, if it wasn’t available in the package manager? Through downloading stuff from websites, right? It’s literally the same as Linux AND windows if you don’t want to touch the command line. I agree that the App Store is bad, probably inferior to some of the flatpack distribution apps for Linux. Most software you’d actually want to use isn’t even in the MacOS App Store, so listing that as a main complaint is a little odd imo.

Window management is also a solvable problem, as other commenters have noted. (and the newest macOS does this notably better than older releases, which were terrible, so I’m curious what the problem was). Aside from, like, replacing the entire desktop experience with a different one (which, sure, yes Linux lets you do and no other consumer os does), what was the issue with macOS besides “the vibes were bad”?

“The workflow feels sluggish”? What workflow? What does that mean? Cmd+space, type “Firefox”, launch? Is that the problem? Did you put apps you use regularly in the dock? If so, then it’s literally one click away to whatever app you want.

“You can’t easily uninstall any program you want” is partially true, I guess? But not really. The system requires a browser, file manager, and terminal but you can uninstall almost every other app your Mac comes with. The essential system tools can’t be uninstalled but almost everything else can. You don’t need Stocks, you can remove it.

It doesn’t seem like you put any effort into actually learning macOS (and, yes, you have to learn any operating system, including and ESPECIALLY Linux…), so like… what was the point of the entire experience? I use all three major OSes regularly. There’s stuff I love and hate about all of them, but this post, aside from the fact that the Mac App Store is bad, doesn’t really address any of them? You can fix/customize a ton of stuff you complained about, most of them trivially. This post is just “Apple vibes bad”.

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h0peless_b4stard@reddit

This. For an alleged Linux user —which inherently requires learning and playing around a lot to figure out the best way to do things—, OP came as terribly lazy and defeatist on the post. Almost as if he didn’t want macOS to work for him just to have a reason to complain about it.

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heathm55@reddit

When I had to use macOS it was all 'brew'. I could definitely still use 90% of my chosen tooling through it that I use in linux, maybe because I use the CLI on whatever system I'm on aggressively anyway.
I do thing OP has some good points though and I agree with the following:
On the positive:
- Incredible hardware
- Insane CPUs these days (especially for AI)
On the negative:
- I do feel like their interface, while revolutionary for when it came out, is in need of a revamp -- and I really like the expirements happening (and that have always happened) on the linux side more (warts and all -- I'm loving Cosmic OS... Hyperland looks cool, and there are a bunch of insane but interesting DEs I've seen in the past year all with some novel aspect).
- Yes, the walled garden is there, but as stated this isn't much of a problem -- you don't have to live in it.

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Swaaeeg@reddit

Yeah this is prettt bad. Literally the first thing i did when i got mine was figure out how to install 3rd party stuff. Like, shocker a unix based os has acfess to packages via terminal

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Doomdice@reddit

https://brew.sh

Homebrew for apps—I rarely use the store.

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RemarkableFinger3600@reddit

macOS has been getting more shit. The new one is just cancerous, everything feels too big, menu's are too laggy and everything looks to flashy and shiny. I went back to the previous one and it's a bit better. Maybe in a couple years hopefully I can run Linux on my M4, I've already put Linux on my M2.

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usa_reddit@reddit

Mac for the user experience, Linux for the backend. Best of both worlds.

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KnowZeroX@reddit

I don't blame you, I have a mac from work and dread using it. Only use it for compiling stuff for ios, otherwise I'd prefer to stay away from it.

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rolyantrauts@reddit

Without doubt the Op didn't try MacOS as with Brew because its BSD it supports the compile of all that Linux does. You don't have to use the app store and you soon learn that the app store is a thunderclart.
Its true the system is more like android / ios and apple sells devices but I have never used the app store of the apple included bloat.
I have Ubuntu running on my other machine but being arm based when the M4 versions stopped the obsolescence with a nvme you can replace, it peaked my curiosity.
That apple tries to force you to buy apple displays and there is no scaling or audio volume to generic HDMI and it's such an obvious bane of Apple product and not mentioned, that Brew and many of us never use the app store makes me, yeah ok Linux fanboy, please at least try to be honest.

A more honest review would be a base model Mac Mini or Neo is likely by far the best option for $, yeah very strange being that its an Apple for basic users. That it's likely they will get entrapped into the Apple ecosphere as showing them "sideloading" through brew is like showing your granny "sideloading" on android as its just too complex for them even if relatively easy.
Can not say I am a fan of the file system APS but by creating a Arm device its allowed Apple to create something that no-one else can compete with.
Get the base models and avoid the Apple tax of upgrades, but for basic usage nothing comes close for $ to them and I used to be Apple hater and still am but there isn't anything that gets close for the $ and that completely twists my mind.
Also its likely a good idea with so many not knowing how easy it is to sideload with Brew and getting entrapped with the Apple ecosphere, to actually mention that you can and it is easy...

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cl326@reddit

If you a “Power User” but are not capable of freely moving between Linux, macOS, and Windows (i.e., 11 Pro), you are barely trying.

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ycarel@reddit

MacOS is different and takes a bit to get used to.
The experience is easy to customize with 3rd party apps. My favorite is to Rectangle.
You do not need the App Store for anything, you do need the AppleID for Apple integration which improves the experience considerably. Even with Linux you are probably logging in to multiple Saas services. Linux is awesome but your reasons don’t seem to be the right ones. I personally find that MacOS and the quality of software it provides to be the most get out of the way method to get things done on a laptop.

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BinkReddit@reddit

The window management is awful. The workflow feels sluggish.

Yep, it's horrible.

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Stardog2@reddit

I like and use Linux (Mint - Cinnamon). And as a retired Certified Teradata DBA, I have years of experience with server level Linux. BUT I also like my new Mac Mini M4, base model. Each has its place in my life. The Mac is great for fiction writing.

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Downtown-Trip5623@reddit

I like being an admin on my own computer. That’s why I choose Linux. I don’t want to be a product or a user. In my opinion Apple does a great job at making products with the user in mind. I recommend Apple products for people that I can’t convince to try Linux lol

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AllenNemo@reddit

IE a hobbyist- that’s great. I love tinkering and adding stuff at the OS level mostly bc that’s not my job in the workaday world. Most admins I know don’t really feel like logging more work on their off hours just to get functionality going and often chose some heterogeneous mix of Linux box, Mac and or Windows if needed (gaming or some such).

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Downtown-Trip5623@reddit

I do admin stuff at work, mainly Linux, some windows. I avoid windows like the plague in my personal life. Mac is ok. I sleep so well knowing I have full control of my own personal computers. I was so excited to ditch windows finally when steam released proton.

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lpan000@reddit

macOS is getting worse IMP. They keep adding things I don’t need or use. I feel the SW dept just want to justify their comp.

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cpuuuu@reddit

I feel like the criticism towards your… criticism, comes more from you having written that “the worst part was that the system simply wasn’t mine. I couldn’t do what I wanted, because install and run things the way I wanted” and then pointing out problems with the OS that are totally solvable and that can be almost as customizable as they are on Linux. And this is compounded by you saying that you barely use the terminal and install everything through the store, which makes it seem like you are definitely not the type of user who should be complaining about the freedom to do what you want with the system since, well, you probably aren’t. Even though you can do a lot through GUI menus on Fedora KDE, you are not exactly a power user when it comes to customization and workflows.

With brew being a “loginless” way to install most programs, even if not through a GUI, and having one of those programs to solve everything from window management to “slow workflow” (which I guess means switching between windows, workspaces and opening new programs?) most of your complaints just read like “meh, I don’t like macOS out of the box and I don’t care enough to learn if there are solutions, so let me just parrot some of the usual complaints I read online about it”

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thearctican@reddit

Apple’s UX on all products is hostile to people who are over the age of 5.

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NoRandomIsRandom@reddit

Man, you just needed to do two things:

Open the terminal app
Install home brew (search for it!)

After these, you can then judge if the Mac is still that "not mine".

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enhoel@reddit

I run Ubuntu 24.04 LTS on a 2013 MacBook Air with 4 GB of RAM and I run OpenCode, Gemini CLI, Codex, Claude Code on it just fine. Even ran OpenClaw for a while. Steam runs but it’s laggy. It’s my favorite beater machine.

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shogun77777777@reddit

It’s a shame we can’t easily run Linux on silicon macs. It would be the ultimate combo of hardware and software.

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Purgatide@reddit

I’ve been running Asahi Linux on my M1 Mac for close to two years now without issue, is there a reason that’s not an option for you?

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shogun77777777@reddit

Oh really? I thought it was still pretty rough around the edges! Maybe I should give it a try

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idontwanttofthisup@reddit

If you are using an external monitor, I have bad news for you (no support)

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shogun77777777@reddit

Oof, even on a Mac mini?

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Obvious_Regular_6469@reddit

HDMI output works, only USB-C does not. You could give it a shot, it dual boots MacOS and if you wanna remove Asahi Linux you can run a script (unofficial) which you can find on GitHub easily that uninstalls it for you without you having to mess with partitions (be careful with that)

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shogun77777777@reddit

Nice, thank you!

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idontwanttofthisup@reddit

No support for external screens full stop. No support for Touch ID. And no support for some other rather useful stuff. And 0 support for M3+ processors.

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Obvious_Regular_6469@reddit

Only via USB-C but if you've got a Pro model MacBook, then the HDMI output works.

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DanKonly@reddit

Dual monitor support.

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Bed_Worship@reddit

It’s not finished. I need thunderbolt for my audio interface

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Turbulent_Fig_9354@reddit

Maybe this commenter doesn't have an M1 or M2 mac? Asahi doesn't have support for any other Apple Silicon chips at this time.

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Purgatide@reddit

Ah, that’s a super valid point that I didn’t consider. Thank you for pointing that out!

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eecchhee@reddit

Linux > macOS > [very large gap] windows

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Swiftlyll@reddit

I use both Linux / Mac and tbh all of these are non-issues, you just need to learn how the OS works.

The only point I agree with is window management being absolute ASS but I use workspaces so I never have to deal with this. FYI opt key also helps with window management.

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Elden_Lord_69@reddit

Aerospace and paneru are both good for replacing the meh WM experience on mac.

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Swiftlyll@reddit

Thanks, might look into aerospace. Paneru reminds me of that one gnome extension for wm.

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thephotoman@reddit

You are aware that there are ways to install all of your Linux favorites on macOS, right? It isn’t even hard.

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Bed_Worship@reddit

I use both. I use a tiling manager on Mac os - you are not locked into anything.

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dl33ta@reddit

While OS X is incredibly stable, the look and feel hasn't changed much since it first came out. The fact that they think finder doesn't need any improvement all these decades later tells you everything you need to know. At least Windows feels the need to put a new UI over an old program to make you "feel" like you're getting something new.

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Standard-Juice-3738@reddit

If it ain’t broke…

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Maleficent_Celery_55@reddit

Well, I have Linux on my Mac and it works fine. But yeah Linux on A18 might take some time.

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Connect-Whole8926@reddit

Também tenho virtualização de Linux no meu Mac e funciona muito bem. Mas consome bastante energia o que torna um pouco incômodo para uso contínuo desconectado da tomada.

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Electrical-Run8609@reddit

You can run Linux straight on device with Asahi Linux. Easiest distro is their official Fedora release, but Asahi can be used with any distro with some setup.

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Mds03@reddit

Whilst Asahi is amazing, it should be noted that it does not support usb-c displays, thunderbolt/usb4 and TouchID. Might be important for some people’s workflow

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Electrical-Run8609@reddit

Yeah good point, I run it on a separate hard drive because it still isn't better than my MacOS setup for me. However it's levels above using it in a VM imo.

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Hot_Cauliflower_8060@reddit

I do feel like a UI should allow you to launch programs, browse files, and edit settings. And that's enough.

Keep it simple and straightforward.

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crshbndct@reddit

Not to defend apple here but you can disable the App Store thing, and install a new wm. Your issues with macOS can be leveled at Ubuntu as well.

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AllanSundry2020@reddit

does MacBook neo only run Tahoe? can you downgrade it to the one below Seqiuoua? I'm thinking not.

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ibeerianhamhock@reddit

Yeah macos feels more polished than any Linux desktop enviroment to me, but it's definitely locked down.

It feels very the streamlined almost to the point of just having basically one way to do anything you wanna do. One place to get software, etc

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Sure-Passion2224@reddit

The Mac OS is the Darwin DE on top of BSD. It's almost linux anyway.

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Sylente@reddit

Darwin isn’t a DE, and the XNU kernel is BSD in the way that Chrome is technically a Safari derivative. It’s true, but it’s not meaningful.

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fabyao@reddit

You and I went through the same journey. I couldn't stand macOs and returned my MacBook pro in the first week of owning it. The struggle to install open source software like Inkscape got to me. Also, a minimised window in macOs behaves as if its closed. Meaning you can't alt+tab back to it. This made me seat back and exclaim what the actual f$$k.

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Then_Gas712@reddit

It is made for the sheeps and not shepherds!

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lolwutdo@reddit

Literally just did the same thing today, but sold my Macbook instead since it was too late to return.

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IADGAF@reddit

Oh, wow, 100% agree. Bought an Apple Silicon MacBook and genuinely thought I’m just renting this thing even though I bought it outright. It intuitively feels like the Apple Eye of Sauron is watching everything that I as the user does. The file manager is fucking aweful, and that’s being really kind. Window management is clunky as fuck. Thought I’d just stick Linux on it instead, but no, because of Apple Silicon…. FFS, should have done my research first. Consequently, it’s for sale.

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geodebug@reddit

You can install whatever you want outside the App Store.

Removing a program is also trivial. Usually just moving the app to the trash bin

For sure OSX is more opionated and secure by default but the issues you describe just aren't true.

Gotta ask for help next time before giving up right away.

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SpenB@reddit

Apple products are always great hardware compromised by locked down software. The software isn't bad, it's just designed according to a philosophy that's ultimately anti-user.

Like if it existed, I would probably buy an iPhone that runs Android.

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7lhz9x6k8emmd7c8@reddit

Nah, not anti-user. It's for users who don't want to think. The Apple softwares give them a clear path to follow. Can't divert from it.

Anti-user is Microsoft. No clear path, no self-made path, and if ever you find a path, it's actually a rocky and buggy path.

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Kalixttt@reddit

That wildfire cooked bacon or how to call it from downloads folder is most regarded thing I’ve seen in any OS to this day. 😂

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snail1132@reddit

???

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Kalixttt@reddit

Never seen this ? Touch the grass sometimes. 😂

bacon

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snail1132@reddit

What???

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Cautious_Boat_999@reddit

WTF? Edibles in the afternoon?

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abcomposer@reddit

For the Apple Store part there was an easy fix if you ever try the Mac again. Use Homebrew and you’ll feel like at home if you are used to dnf in the terminal 💪🏻

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Strict_Albatross4362@reddit (OP)

I use Fedora KDE, and I've never needed the command line. When I want to install or remove an application, I use the store and everything works fine, without needing an account.

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abcomposer@reddit

You are absolutely right. I was just saying that if Strict_Albatross was used to dnf and the terminal (which for instance I am; I usually like installing from terminal both on Linux and Mac), there was a suitable option.

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nachh@reddit

I just havent been able to adapt to my M2 Pro. I think nostalgia got the best of me. I used to have a mid-2010 MBP and I absolutely loved it, but over the years, I got into Linux and Arch eventually became my go-to distro. Coming back to macOS just didn't feel right. There's no denying the build quality and the screen are absolutely incredible, as always, but even with Asahi Linux, I couldn't quite feel at home.

I think I'm going to sell it and get a Framework 13 pro instead. Linux clicked for me years ago, and looking back, this was just a nostalgic mistake.

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hitsujiTMO@reddit

I honestly would only be interested in one if you can get Ubuntu running without issue, and could get a 32gb/64gb model without selling any vital organs. The hardware is sound, but the price for ram and ssd space is insane.

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snail1132@reddit

Ironically, because apple's ran pricing hasn't changed, it's actually cheaper than ddr5

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hitsujiTMO@reddit

It's cheaper than retail DDR5, large OEMs can still get DDR5 at a fraction of current retail prices.

But yeah, current prices certainly are evening out the playing field at the moment.

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Bruskmax@reddit

If you planning to do mobile app development MacOS is solid as you have access to Android, IOS, Desktop, and the web with Compose multiplatform. For general purpose computing I would stick with Linux. Apple is too restrictive with their products. Linux is freedom use the computer as you like.

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HalcyonRedo@reddit

Okay.

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stogie-bear@reddit

I feel you bud, but tbh I think you gave up too soon. MacOS has fewer interface customizations than your average Linux DE (and only has one DE), and it doesn’t have a centralized open source app manager thingy like most distros. But it does have a robust cli, a permissions system like Flatseal but more general, and you don’t have to use the Mac App Store at all if you don’t want to. You can download software from many different sources.

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inbetween-genders@reddit

I use both of them and like them fine depending on what I need to do. Desktop is Linux, laptops have been Macs. They talk to each other fine with me. Then the Mac also works great with my other Apple devices (phone and tablet). It’s not for everyone but I love my mixed environment. It works for me.

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belegund@reddit

I’m glad you found something that fits you. I use both (happily) and see the beauty of both OS’s.

One thing that I find mildly amusing is the difficulty you had removing programs. For most apps on Mac, you just have to drag them to the trash. I think the simplicity of this confuses people, as it’s not the first time I’ve heard it.

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Strict_Albatross4362@reddit (OP)

I did this with some apps. With others, this option simply didn't exist, like Apple TV. Apple didn't offer the option to remove it.

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driftking428@reddit

You can install apps without the app store. You can delete any app you want my removing it from the applications folder.

I'm not saying you should have kept the computer. But it doesn't really sound like you tried to move past these obstacles, you just gave up right away.

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Swaaeeg@reddit

Yea i bought one for work. Its ok. I ended up installing aerospace to make the workflow usable.

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gswdh@reddit

6 months ago I wanted to buy a MacBook but purely for the hardware. I bought a thinkpad instead being a third of the price and the bliss of Linux. I was a MacBook user for over ten years but macOS ruined it for me - so much bloat… To be honest I actually prefer windows nowadays to macOS. My old 2019 16 MacBook Pro sings with windows 10 in boot camp while macOS is unusably slow.

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DoubleOwl7777@reddit

try windows 11 and you will know what bloat means...

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Connect-Whole8926@reddit

Comecei a usar macOS esse ano. Inicialmente comecei com um M4 e, logo no início, notei o que você mencionou. O gerenciamento de janelas era horrível, mas eu resolvi usando o rectangle (considero um app básico para usuários de Mac).

No resto, adorei o sistema, utilizo o brew para instalar aplicativos CLI que costumava usar no Debian, além do que, também consigo usar o bash que é nativo - porém não é o padrão no Mac.

De tão satisfeito, troquei o M4 pelo M5. No entanto, para algumas atividades muito particulares, não abro mão de ter um segundo sistema rodando Linux.

OBS: talvez até não fosse necessário ter um sistema Linux disponível, mas já considero que é uma paixão pelo sistema do pinguim.

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Vynlovanth@reddit

It’s interesting you mention the App Store because there’s not really much there unless you’re ingrained in Apple already. Like if you plan to use Safari and want Safari Extensions, or you’re subbed to Apple Arcade, or you’re a dev for Apple products and need Xcode. Most stuff that’s explicitly for Mac is a web downloaded pkg/dmg or you get it from homebrew on CLI.

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