Car & Driver and Motor Trend recently tested cars under $30k and their winners were way different
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So both outlets recently tested small, under $30,000 cars. Car & Driver's comparison test came out first, on May 15th. It was an interesting comparison but some said it was all over the place because some of the cars didn't exactly lineup with each other. In it, they tested the Kia K4 GT-Line hatch, Honda Civic Sport Hybrid hatch, Toyota Corolla FX hatch (which is a given because the FX is only available as a hatch), VW Jetta SEL, Nissan Sentra SL, and the Subaru Impreza RS (which is also only available as a hatch).
If you're a regular reader of C&D, you know how this comparison went down. The Civic Hybrid took the crown, with them giving it high marks for its fuel economy, speed and road manners though they knocked it for not having enough content and its transmission.
The Jetta surprisingly took second, the Corolla 3rd, the K4 4th, the Impreza 5th and the Sentra last.
Motor Trend's comparison test wasn't as big. They only had 3 cars for their test: the K4 LXS - which also happens to be their long term test vehicle -, the Honda Civic Sport sedan, and the Nissan Sentra SR. Like Car & Driver, the Sentra finished last here as well. And from what I've seen online, the problem lies with the fact that it's basically just a reskin of the previous generation: new dudes, old bones. It seriously needs a better engine. Surprisingly the Civic finished second with Motor Trend. Unlike Car & Driver, Motor Trend wasn't wooed by the Civic's on road manners. Instead, it got knocked for value, with Motor Trend saying:
"...you give up a lot, spend a fair amount up front, and get less than you do elsewhere in the segment with the Civic. For us, at under $30,000, the Civic’s technology is too dated, cost cutting too extreme, and its spartan features set prevents us crowning it the new compact king."
The K4 finished first, mainly because you get a lot of value for the money and that apparently it's a "compelling overall package.". I think I would have to agree with Motor Trend's test. Car & Driver has favored Honda for years. not saying they have a bias but if an Accord or Civic is in a comparison, it's usually a given it'll take the crown with Car & Driver. They also have tendency to view mainstream cars through the lens of an enthusiast, and it sometimes skewers their testing results. So from what I've seen with these tests and from what people have said online, the Civic, K4 and Jetta seem to be the best go tos for a sold cheap car. The Corolla is small, the Impreza is forgettable (though it does offer all-wheel drive) and the Sentra is only impressive on the surface.
Working_Elephant5344@reddit
These results highlight something I’ve been saying for a while. It doesn’t make sense to buy a non-hybrid Civic in 2026. For just a little more, the hybrid is infinitely better, and it lifts the Civic up from being one of the worst cars in the class to one of the best.
alrashid2@reddit
I'll never buy a hybrid. Too complicated and don't want to deal with all of that nonsense just to save a bit of gas. Many agree with me too.
That1one1dude1@reddit
Hybrids are simpler than standard drivetrains.
alrashid2@reddit
That doesn't make sense. You're adding a second system (an electronic system) to a standard drivetrain. It's inherently more complex
hardsoft@reddit
Because the transmission is significantly simpler.
Two electric motors adjust the engine to wheel ratio with no extra gears, clutches, etc.
mr_bots@reddit
Plus an electric, variable speed compressor so no ac clutch to go bad, no starter or alternator and the current traditional Toyota hybrids have an electric water pump so there’s no belt, pulleys, or tensioner. That all gets rid of a lot of common issues with cars as the age.
markeydarkey2@reddit
Most mainstream hybrid systems replace the transmission with a much simpler design & can run accessories directly off of the high voltage battery reducing the need for belts.
jun2san@reddit
Based on the downvotes (and actual education) many in fact do not agree with you.
TtarIsMyBro@reddit
You don't "save a bit of gas". You go from pumping once a week, to pumping once a month, if not longer, depending on your daily commute. If you have a sub 20-30 mile daily commute, you might not use any gas until you go on a longer drive.
AlpineE39Adventures@reddit
Modern hybrids give you a lot more than “just saving a bit of gas” - there are very noticeable performance benefits to today’s hybrid drivetrains that were largely not present even just 5 years ago.
Does_Not_Use_Clothes@reddit
Interesting because the civic si is the best one by far yet not a hybrid.
enfuego138@reddit
If you enjoy driving manual, sure. But we are in the minority by a long shot.
It’s also underpowered.
Does_Not_Use_Clothes@reddit
Underpowered? The car is as it is if it was underpowered something must be wrong with it.
enfuego138@reddit
I would humbly suggest that a “sporty” car that makes the same hp as a GTI you could buy 18 years ago could use a little more punch, yes.
Does_Not_Use_Clothes@reddit
Not the point of the car and there’s many other options if that’s what you think is important but sales show the civic si is the most sold so I guess more people agree with me but you opinion is cool too
enfuego138@reddit
The Civic Si was literally a direct competitor to the GTI. The only reason it’s not is because Honda let it fall so far behind.
And you fell for it.
Does_Not_Use_Clothes@reddit
I don’t understand what I fell for
Dayv1d@reddit
driving manual is so much better in every way tho.
wayvywayvy@reddit
Please explain to me why driving a manual in stop and go traffic is better than driving an automatic
narcistic_asshole@reddit
I will say my 10th gen si was outstanding in stop and go traffic. A manual car with a light clutch and automatic brake hold is less effort in stop and go traffic than an auto without brake hold IMO
screampuff@reddit
I have to drive for 5 hours to reach 'stop and go traffic'.
Dayv1d@reddit
zero problem, just 1st gear and roll. But its much more engaging and fun. You have a feeling for the engine and more control. You can anticipate corners and hills. You can use engine breake more effectively (thus save your brakes). Automatic transmissions are so very dumb in comparison. Often switching gears all the time unnecessarily. Then being much more expensive to repair and fail quite often due to its added complexity, parts and liquids. And even with pedals you have zero control over the clutch. They might be suitable for family vans or work trucks with a lot of traffic when it isn't fun to drive anyway, tho, thats true. If the costs don't bother you that is.
MisterDoctor___@reddit
This might be the the most “Le mAnUeL” thing I’ve seen posted on this sub.
TheStrongTaint@reddit
It’s not better in “every way”
Why do people say dumb shit like this? Like all things in life there’s compromises
iatekane@reddit
Underpowered yes but handling is better than the other civic models obviously and it’s a lot more fun.
The type R is the best civic though, not the Si as that’s second best IMO
thekhaos@reddit
Handling doesn’t really matter when you’ve had the same horsepower for 30 years. Si is irrelevant.
spacetreefrog@reddit
Fr. New prius plugin has more horsepower
wayvywayvy@reddit
My civic hybrid also has more torque so it’s just straight up faster, handles really damn well too
spacetreefrog@reddit
Realistically, unknown as toyota doesnt post their combine hybrid/electric motor torque specs. May be true or not
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Hell my Chevy Bolt has more HP and this isn't even attempting to be sporty or cool
Falloutvictim@reddit
I can think of one situation where the relatively low power of the Si is a plus. My oldest son will be driving soon and has taken quite an interest in cars, he takes after me in that regard, and he really wants a manual for his first car. I want him in something safe and reliable, but also want it to be fun, I get it, I owned a 2000 Si some 25 years ago as a young student and have been a lifelong car guy. But I don't want to give a new driver too much power, especially a new driver that takes after me, lol. I keep landing on the Si - relatively safe, reliable, but equally important, not too powerful. In this one case, the underpowered-ness is a feature, not a bug. I'm seriously considering an Si for him, dunno for sure yet tho.
thekhaos@reddit
When you bought your Si 25 years ago, it was an edgy/sporty choice. Si was the top of the compact sports segment but has long been lapped by the GTI, Hyundai N, 86, etc
The fact that you’re considering it as a first car for your kid says everything that needs to be said about an apparently sporty car.
Tony-cums@reddit
Best compared to what? The hybrid has more power lmao.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
The hybrid has better everything, faster, more power, way better fuel economy, instant torque, smooth drivetrain, idk why anybody would choose an SI.
Tony-cums@reddit
Well for the manual. I’d choose the si over the hybrid but I like manuals. My si got 35 pretty easily.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
And a hybrid gets 50mpg, that's good fuel economy, 35mpg in a Civic is not great. Also nobody wants manuals in a daily, especially in traffic, they're awful
IguassuIronman@reddit
In my experience having an automatic doesn't really make driving in traffic more tolerable but it does make driving not in traffic a hell of a lot worse
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Just means you're gonna be punching the hell out of the clutch in traffic, I'll pass. Plus with a modern automatic you get paddle shifters that shift faster than a normal person could, a DCT is faster than any person could, id much rather have that. Loved them in my ZO6, that car was amazing
MumpsyDaisy@reddit
Are we seriously going to be here on /r/cars telling people that they're wrong for having a personal preference for driving manual? I get that you're really worked up, because you're posting up a storm, but come on dude.
Tony-cums@reddit
He’s all worked up indeed. It’s kinda sad. I don’t think he knows how to drive a stick. That’s ok.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
I do know how to drive a stick, please do not make unfounded assumptions
Tony-cums@reddit
No you don’t.
MumpsyDaisy@reddit
I don't really know or care what he can drive, he obviously feels a certain way about it regardless, I just don't understand using it as a negative against a car that it's manual-only in TYOOL 2026 when barely any manuals exist to be bought new. The Mazda3 is the only "normal" car you can buy new with a stick. Congrats on being a sore winner I guess?
Lower_Kick268@reddit
If people wanted manuals then they would sell, unfortunately most people don't want manuals and sales prove that. DCT shift way faster anyways, and a CVT doesn't shift at all, and both will net you better MPG than a 6 speed manual. Can always manually shift a DCT too. I never said you were wrong for wanting a manual, I'm just pointing out that most people don't want them, go to any dealership and ask why they don't keep manual cars on the lot and send them straight to auction.
MumpsyDaisy@reddit
Ok but in a product targeted to enthusiasts saying "actually, the USP of this product is in fact a negative" is silly. You're just shotgunning arguments willy nilly.
Tony-cums@reddit
People who like to drive want a manual. It’s ok that some people are different than you. I daily a stick just fine. If you don’t know how to drive one just say so.
anarchyx34@reddit
I love to drive and after 30 years I’m bored of manuals. It’s muscle memory at this point and I don’t even think about what I’m doing when I’m doing it anymore. Like the dopamine reward just isn’t there and traffic sucks where I live. I actually think I would enjoy my Miata more if it was an automatic which sounds crazy.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
I can drive a stick just fine, having done it in traffic before I'd prefer to not drive a stick. DCT and CVT are sm better, way smoother power delivery too and a DCT can shift way faster than any human can
thexraptor@reddit
Manual transmission, limited slip differential, it's fun to drive a slow car fast, it's fun to bounce your car off redline, it's fun to fly through winding roads, it's fun to throw your car around corners. The hybrid is more practical but I sincerely doubt it's anywhere near as fun to drive, unless you care strictly about how fast your car is in a straight line.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Ok and I don't care about a manual for a car I'm gonna drive everyday, the hybrid is plenty fun. The SI is slow and the hybrid is faster but still slow, for 33k it's a hilariously bad value, an Elantra N starts at 33k and a K5 GT at 35k and they both compete with the Type R, the SI competes with economy cars.
bc10551@reddit
Isn't the SI a similar price to an Elantra n which is a ctr competitor lol
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Yes it is, the N is a better car in every way. Hell you can get a K5 GT for about what an SI costs
Revenge_Holocaust@reddit
A Type R, maybe, but it's not in the same league as the R, especially after the power bump.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
A K5 GT makes 290hp, a Type R makes 315, that's close enough for most people. 0-60 on a GT is 5.3 seconds, a Type R is 5.3 seconds, looks like they're about in the same league to me
screampuff@reddit
On that note I hope they make a K4 GT. I'd buy that hatch if it had a LSD, DCT and like 225-275hp.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Unfortunately I would bet that will never happen, Hyundai has the Elantra N which shares the platform with the K4, if they had a K4 GT it would canabilize the N's sales. Likewise with the K5 GT and the Sonata, there will never be a Sonata N because it would canabilize the sales of the K5 GT
Does_Not_Use_Clothes@reddit
So weird how the si holds its value better and is much more wanted and sells more. So strange how everyone is stupid.
bc10551@reddit
All cause of a stupid little Honda badge and people like you that are too stupid to branch out from only Honda Toyota good lol. Go drive your objectively less fun car I guess
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Who cares about resale value? Who cares about sales numbers? I care about performance and the performance of the SI sucks for 33k
kingstante@reddit
That’s subjective and wrong at the same time lol
PossibleHero@reddit
Lol! Yep, the best one IMO was way back in 2009ish era. Both the 4-door and 2-door were wicked.
roman_maverik@reddit
That's the 8th gen Civic Si (2006-2011).
And to be fair, the 8th gen Si is one of the best cars of all time
DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit
Agreed.
Nemo123161@reddit
You are the definition of someone that is dumb enough to think they are smarter than everyone else.
Does_Not_Use_Clothes@reddit
You attack the characters of people on the internet what does that make you?
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Eh no, that's a manual only, uncomfortable, and gets bad economy for a Civic, I don't wanna daily drive that. Rather daily the hybrid all day long
Does_Not_Use_Clothes@reddit
Are you a real human?
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Are you?
Egg_Tart_Eater@reddit
The Si is a decent drive but it's toothless and the rev hang is honestly atrocious.
doggos4house2020@reddit
Are they still fucking terrible with rev hang? I haven’t driven one since the 9th gen and I couldn’t stand it. It’s like the throttle was merely a suggestion pedal and it was maddening. It made me long for an automatic.
ScreamingFirehawk07@reddit
You’re comparing a diet Type R with a commuter hybrid. Two completely different markets even if they’re both Civics.
costafilh0@reddit
Some people just want simple and keep it for 20 years.
In that case, yes, it does make sense getting the non-hybrid.
HeavyCanuck@reddit
The hybrid drive unit is mechanically simpler than the automatic it replaces.
There's no reason to get the non-hybrid civic in 2026.
jivarie@reddit
Civic Si
stillpiercer_@reddit
The SI is a hard sell IMO. It’s slow as hell (and the engine doesn’t seem to have a lot of tuning overhead) and it has very very few features compared to anything else in its price class. It’s very expensive for what you get.
I cross shopped the SI when I bought my current (second) GTI and quite literally the only point in favor for the Civic was that the manual wasn’t the complete hogwash that the GTIs was. The SI didn’t even have fucking heated seats! (yes, I know it does now). If you absolutely have to have a manual enthusiast sedan, I guess you’re limited to the GLI, Elantra N, WRX and SI in that class - and I’d pick either of the those before the SI, even despite the VW manual being about as good as a fork in a bowl of mashed potatoes.
jivarie@reddit
We’re comparing it to the civic hybrid. And to be fair, the civics manual is sublime as is its steering feel. It’s also basically comb proof as
It stands. Tuneable? Nope, no where like the last gen Si. And to be honest, I think Honda nailed the interior. It’s fantastically simple with car play. Manual seats, no heat…just how I like all my cars. It is the anti tech car basically, and maybe one of the last ones out there going forward. The rev hand is not fun. But besides that, you can absolutely rings its neck out on the streets, and it will 100% keep pace with 911s in twisty mountain roads. Gets lost anywhere power is required, but it’s a fantastic drivers-era type car.
The-Ol-Razzle-Dazle@reddit
I'm as big of fan as any of the civic but to compare it to a 911.. lol
gregbread11@reddit
Yeah.. kind of delusional
HeavyCanuck@reddit
Good point, and the Type-R is out there too...
jivarie@reddit
Yup! Both are great reasons not to get the hybrid, and the Si gets 38-39 mpg in mixed driving, 40-50 on the highway.
LewdDarling@reddit
That's a lot of gas you could save in 20 years. Honda has proven their hybrids can last that long as well.
IStillLikeBeers@reddit
As if there aren't tons of 20+ year old Priuses (Prii?) out there...
Fiasko21@reddit
Wouldn't say the non-hybrid Civic is one of the worst in class...
it still has the same nice quality, it's still massive compared to the Golf, it's reliable, good on gas, and the chassis is amazing..
Working_Elephant5344@reddit
You are correct. I should have said that the about the powertrain specifically, not the entire car. The massive increase in power and torque with the hybrid puts it in an entirely different class, for only a bit more money. That’s why the hybrid is the one to get IMO.
astrograph@reddit
I have a ‘22 civic hatchback bot now that I live in the pnw- I’d trade mine in for an awd hybrid hatchback civic.
Next best is getting those all weather tires
gregbread11@reddit
Just get winter tires to swap for the snow. I grew up in Seattle and never needed AWD. Even for going to the mountains, always had a RWD and always did just fine with snow tires.
astrograph@reddit
Thanks! Thats where I am..
Haven’t been over the pass in the winter months because too scared.
IStillLikeBeers@reddit
I had a 2024 Civic hatch and I really do not get the praise, other than the amount of interior space. It appeared nice inside, but shit started rattling and creaking within a month, the piano black was horribly placed and would shine directly in my eyes in the afternoon, and I really don't think it was much more efficient than any of its non-hybrid competitors. Oh, and the adaptive cruise and emergency braking sucked.
Main_Hornet8676@reddit
All of your points ring true to my experience, especially regarding the safety features. Honda easily has the worst driver aids out of any brand, and reviewers NEVER bring it up.
IStillLikeBeers@reddit
The emergency braking almost cause a wreck. Was turning right, into traffic, with plenty of space. Middle of the turn emergency braking gets a false positive (nothing in front or on the side of me. Wide open) and SLAMS on the brakes, almost causing a car to rear end me when I otherwise would’ve made the turn completely safely.
The_Bucket_Of_Truth@reddit
It's weird I just had a rental Civic and it was leagues better than an equivalent Nissan (whatever it is, Sentra?) or Corolla. I liked it better than the Civic Type R I test drove. But I think that's down to expectations and also that the CTR is trying to be more things to more people. But it makes me want to drive one again.
watduhdamhell@reddit
And it's conventionally attractive. Very much so. It reminds me of the E46. Clean, purposeful and weld done. In my opinion in the top 5 best looking sedans on sale, in the right trim.
RequirementLeading12@reddit
When you aren't rich, a few thousand more is a big difference.
jerkyquirky@reddit
You're not wrong, but for most people financing cars, you could probably add $50 to the payment and save $40 at the pump.
2BlueZebras@reddit
I have free EV slow charging at work (rare, I know). Intentionally installed to encourage EV adoption. It worked. I save $250 a month on gas, or about half my car payment. You can't ignore that.
The only problem is it was TOO effective, so there's about 4x as many EVs as there are chargers. We have a 4 hour rule and most people are pretty good about sticking to it.
CG_Ops@reddit
Too many people discount the pump factor.
I keep my cars for 7-10 years and recently cross shopped TLX-S and M340i's. Since I do ~18k miles/yr, ~15k of which is freeway, at an average of $5/gal (california) the TLX would be $850-900/yr more on gas. More impressive is that it gets better mileage AND has an extra 30hp/15ft-lbs of torque (with the torque available lower).
Yes, yes... BMW maintenance... but I got a screaming deal on my CPO M340's maintenance package; OTD total of under $60k on a 2 yr old car with 24k miles, including ~$7k for the platinum (unlimited mile) 7 year warranty AND 7yr full maintenance plan... I fully admit that the $4k (dealer price) brake jobs scared me into the maintenance plan, considering the 2023's eat brakes like candy.... but my only costs above my $400/mo payments (I put a sizeable DP on it), until late 2030 is gas, tires, and insurance.
stevemkiidub@reddit
Not a little bit more in Canada. Like $6000 more. Toyota on the other hand, hybrid is basically included at this point. No brainer.
wetfish_slapbelly@reddit
unless you want a manual, with heated seats and a moonroof.
Threnners@reddit
I had a 2025 Sentra as a rental last year while my car was being repaired and it was a fun lilttle ride. I got 39-42mpg and it was like riding around in a spaceship. I had no complaints.
jobear6969@reddit
MT actually tried to keep the cost of the vehicles below $30k. C&D tried to keep the cost around $30k, with 2 of the vehicles being $33k+. So kudos to MT for actually holding to that threshold. The main difference between the two tests is that MT tested a base Civic, while C&D tested a Civic Hybrid. Same with the Kia (MT got the base, C&D got the 1.6T).
That being said, the Civic Hybrid seems to be a much more intriguing vehicle than the base Civic. Lots more power and better fuel economy, with likely better NVH. I would imagine those all add up. Note that C&D also dinged the Civic Hybrid's interior for being too sparse and older tech.
smexypelican@reddit
I know they limit their tests to small cars, but honestly a Camry LE with convenience package can go under 30k since they sell for under MSRP. That compares pretty favorably to a lot of these choices imo.
teggyteggy@reddit
In reality yes, but for some reason, anything you bring it up, this subreddit is too obsessed with compact car vs mid-sized car, even though the Civic's interior space blurs the boundaries, and when you consider that, most people are better off with the Camry LE.
smexypelican@reddit
Exactly. I literally was between buying a Camry vs a Civic, because the interior and trunk spaces are almost identical, as well as the price.
For the same price, and with family considerations (rear AC vents, NVH), I chose the Camry. But ya know, Civic is so youthful while Camry is so old man boring right? Can't possibly be compared to a big fat midsize.
IguassuIronman@reddit
I haven't driven the current gen Civic but the previous gen of both the Civic and Accord drove infinitely better then the Camrys I've spent time in. The Camrys were all just incredibly numb and vague feeling. Totally fine as generic cars but not anything I was really interesting in actually owning
smexypelican@reddit
I drove the last gen Camry and agree with you on the vague steering. The new generation Camry improved steering noticeably, still not as good as the Hondas but no longer vague and loose, you can feel more confident where the car is going now.
I also prefer how the Toyota hybrid system functions particularly at higher speeds. The Civic and Accord hybrids clutch in the 2.0L at cruising speeds, but it has only a single speed, so at 75-80 mph the engines just rev high and eat up gas and your cruising mpg ends up closer to 30 or even below. Camry hybrid doesn't suffer from that drawback at those speeds, you still get over 40 mpg.
Oh and the Civic hybrid doesn't come standard with a spare. The sedan actually has space for it but Honda decided to not include. The hatch (I suspect most people in this sub choose) has no space for a spare at all. For some reason no reviewer seems to care about this downside and still recommends the hatch because it's so cool, but I've never driven a car without a spare.
IguassuIronman@reddit
I can't comment on how it compared to the previous gen but even the current gen Camry was really not good. It's not like my Golf is cream of the crop in this aspect but it's still an insane improvement over the Camry. For the normal Joe a Camry is a fantastic car, but it's not really something I'd buy for the driving experience
I got 53 MPG just driving normally which was pretty sweet
smexypelican@reddit
Yeah it's obviously not going to beat Golf or Civic steering when the personalities of the cars are so different. The current gen Camry steering is pretty decent and predictable to me, and like you say that mpg is incredible. If I actually drove canyon roads every other day I would have probably picked the Civic, but the reality is most of the time I'm just sitting in commute traffic or cruising down a straight highway for hundreds of miles.
Current gen Civic hybrids are great, but maybe it's me getting older, I value the lower NVH more than I want to hear a 4cyl buzz and road+wind noise. And at 30k, I feel like not having AC vents for my rear passengers is just offensive from Honda. That plus the downsides of the Honda hybrid system I already mentioned. Camry just... makes more sense for me.
NoctD@reddit
For me having owned 2 Mk7 Jettas, first an SEL for 4 years and my GLI since then, I can wholeheartedly recommend it. Just got a great deal during Covid to trade up when used cars were going for crazy prices, and MSRP on the GLI so it was a no brainer upgrade, but could have happily kept the SEL back then too.
That little turbo can get 40-50mpg highway and is a stout little motor, plenty of pep for everyday driving and will chirp the junky stock tires off the line (bad stock tires yes, its a Jetta thing VW did). And it has a proper 8 speed automatic from Japan no less, not a janky CVT. Plus a real spare tire, not a fix-a-flat, and if you drop the hood on your hand you'll feel it (check a Civic hood its lightweight aluminum and feels like a total soda can in comparison!).
lonestarbrownboi@reddit
"we omitted the mazda3 because it lost the head to head with the civic"
So it's completely out of the running then? It's a perfect fit for this category, even if it's second to the civic, pretty dumb to ignore it
Tumbling-Dice@reddit
Why would they invite a car back that lost last time and hasn’t been updated? “Well, gee, it lost again, who could’ve guessed.”
tfox245@reddit
Yeah I couldn’t help but laugh when I read Car and Driver’s reasoning for omitting the Mazda 3. It basically amounted to, “we didn’t include it because we didn’t feel like it.”
Also, if Car and Driver included the civic hybrid, why not include the Elantra hybrid? Or the Corolla hybrid for that matter? After all, both can be had at or below the $30k price ceiling.
Overall I found C&D’s article to be quite odd and yet entirely predictable.
teggyteggy@reddit
The Hyundai Elantra hybrid gives you the BEST fuel economy AND ventilated seats for \~30k. That's unheard of, and something you'd never find in a Honda. Value per dollar is insane. It's tradeoffs are poor handling, interior quality, and power (acceleration), but you get tech (nice big screen).
For the average driver, it really is amazing, but Car&Drive won't even consider it. It's insane just how pro-Honda biased they are.
Michelanvalo@reddit
I think the Elantra making 139HP combined vs the Civic's 200 is a pretty big deal.
quazax@reddit
Well I tested the Civic Sport Hatch, Carolla Hatch and Mazda3 hatch. I ended up buying the Mazda 3.
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DocPhilMcGraw@reddit
The Civic Hybrid still would’ve beat the Corolla Hybrid because the Corolla Hybrid uses the same hybrid powertrain from the LAST Prius. So it’s a 1.8L that makes around 134 HP in AWD form. According to their testing, it goes 0-60 in around 9 seconds.
Since they heavily criticized the Sentra for basically having everything go for it except the slow powertrain, they were most likely going to do the same for the Corolla Hybrid.
The Corolla Hybrid also makes around 50 MPG combined whereas the Civic Hybrid is rated for 49 MPG combined. So the Civic is way faster for just a tiny hit to the MPG.
Now what they could’ve done is bring in the Prius as a competitor since it starts technically within that $30k budget. I think it would’ve been interesting to see not only how the Prius compares to the Civic Hybrid but the Corolla as well.
McChokehold@reddit
They Jew York City'd us!
Carvair-98@reddit
It's moments that like that really lend credence to the idea that reviewers are boug-, I mean, highly encouraged ☺️👍
Like, when you're having so many carveouts and convient omissions in the search for the best, even if the subject does stand on its own legs, it does give the impression a thumb has been placed on the scale. One of, at best personal bias or flawed measurement, and at worst, well, see above paragraph.
I will say the measurement/categorization of these cars is flawed. How are you going to look at non-hybrids and hybrids amongst each other? Putting aside the different powertrains, prices, trim levels, fuel economy differences...wait, no, that's the problem. They're still, even within models, different cars being looked at by buyers for different reasons.
This is part of the reason I generally just don't like lists like this. Very different cars and use cases trying to be simplified into a top-whatevers list.
ScottOSU@reddit
Car and driver had stated many times in the past that to be eligible for a comparison test: you must have won previously or have significantly updated or new. So the 3 wasn't very new and lost to the civic previously. All others in the test were new or refreshed like the Sentra, k4, Jetta, etc
yobo9193@reddit
Their reasoning makes sense when you remember that they always try to give Honda the win
no-thanks-thot@reddit
Count the Honda versus Mazda ads in these magazines and I bet Honda wins.
"Advertiser of the Year"
Holiday_Parsnip_9841@reddit
The Mazda 3's got a small interior, below average fuel economy, and out of date tech. Only makes sense for a niche audience that cares about driving dynamics or the optional turbo, but don't want a luxury brand.
C&D's better off ignoring it instead of having to deal with Mazda's press people being upset about a weak comparsion result.
lonestarbrownboi@reddit
Small interior? Bigger than the Corolla FX they had in the running
Fuel economy? I average 31mpg combined from my 2.5, may be slightly below the average in this running of little 1.8 cylinders but not by much
Outdated tech? Carplay/AA, great UI, mix of digital and analog gauges and all the common driver assists, what more do you need 😂
TheStrongTaint@reddit
Jesus. Mazda3 owners really are some of the most defensive and annoying car owners on the internet
Holiday_Parsnip_9841@reddit
I forgot this subreddit doesn't like hearing criticism of Mazda. There's a reason the 3's an afterthought
BananaBltz@reddit
Fairly standard in car and driver comparisons. If a car hasn’t gotten a major update and wasn’t the winner last time they don’t invite it back. Can always look at the score from the previous comparison.
dakta@reddit
It may be their norm but it's still dumb. Older models can absolutely out-compete newer ones when the newer ones suck. It's worth seeing where they stack up.
McChokehold@reddit
Gae
lonestarbrownboi@reddit
That makes sense
turbo-toots@reddit
As a Mazda3 owner, I agree. Would have loved to see it in both of these comparisons. I think the Civic is a great car and probably a better choice for most buyers. But it really depends on what you're looking for.
lonestarbrownboi@reddit
For sure, if handling/driving dynamics are a factor at all, the Mazda has to be included!
aprtur@reddit
IMHO, the 3 and Civic are tied for best in class interior design. Personally, I'd give the Mazda the edge for just being a beautiful interior design, but I like the current Civic setup a lot, as well.
NitroLada@reddit
Mazda 3 handles very poorly on anything but perfect pavement
turbo-toots@reddit
After driving most of the cars in this segment, I strongly disagree. Hell, even C&D disagrees. They rate it 9/10, award it with Editors Choice, and place it 4th in the compact car segment. It sounds like you just don't like the suspension tuning, which is fine. You'd probably love the Kia and should consider trading your car in for one.
NathenJee@reddit
The Civic would still win because it has better handling than the Mazda 3.
lonestarbrownboi@reddit
I haven't driven the civic so I can't say, but that's still not a reason to count out the 3
Also I'll take even the 6 speed auto any day over CVT
jondes99@reddit
The 3 is 8 years old and hasn’t changed in any significant way since losing the last time. I’m as much of a Mazda Stan as anyone, but I believe that perfectly fits the definition people say Einstein gave for insanity.
NitroLada@reddit
The mazda3 is a turd. Terrible drivetrain, awful packaging and absolutely horrible driver's assist and infotainment and mpg is so awful. It's just not competitive at all
ChasedWarrior@reddit
I'd take a 3 over a Civic any day of the week. Lower price, nicer interior, optional turbo engine and AWD. Drives just as good as the Civic. No CVT just a regular automatic (6 speeds is more than enough).
Even if it's a bit outdated the 3 is still a worthy competitor to the Civic and other compact cars. I love CD but their love fest for all things Honda (and Porsche) is both amazing and annoying. I've been a subscriber for 40 plus years and it's always been this way.
iatekane@reddit
Yeah that doesn’t make sense at all I don’t understand the logic there
gfewfewc@reddit
Motor Trend literally three weeks ago: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2025-kia-k4-lxs-yearlong-review-update-3-warranty-work
MeineGoethe@reddit
They literally mentioned it in the article.
teggyteggy@reddit
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS. Car&Driver puts driving feel above for EVERYTHING to the point where it makes no sense. They put the Accord in their 2026 Top Car of the year. It makes NO sense compared to the new Hybrid Camry. It's better in every single way except handling, way too many things for handling to make up the difference
The Camry: more tech, cheaper, better fuel economy, offers eAWD, lower-entry price, more features per dollar, etc. Despite it all, they give it to the Accord because... handling. For the most boring segment of car, they just love Honda despite it being worse on every other level.
SouthLoop_Sunday@reddit
I own the Camry and the Accord. I wanted to like the Camry more, but the Accord is more spacious, has a quieter, more refined hybrid, better real-world MPG (for our family’s routes anyway), a better interior (style & comfort), a larger infotainment screen, better NVH, and, yes, better handling.
I still love my Camry, and trust Toyota more as a brand, but I understand why people would prefer the Accord. I begrudgingly prefer it myself.
nigevellie@reddit
I can't with Kia. I joined the Kia and Hyundai subs and the stories regarding dealer service experience are disturbing.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Mostly because a lot of those people don't understand that they have to follow guidelines to keep their warranty, if you don't maintain your car and have a problem the warranty will not cover that issue.
psimwork@reddit
Yeah. Screw that. Had a Forte GT. Bought it brand new. Took a service package on it and had it serviced every time it was due without delay.
Noticed about a month after owning it that the rear speakers and subwoofer weren't working. Took it in to have them fix it and they said that the connector on the subwoofer was broken and that I had to have broken it. I didn't have any proof that I DIDN'T break it, so I accepted that. I got a replacement, and after basically tearing the back seat apart to get at it, I got the subwoofer out, and instantly knew what happened: the connector was indeed broken, and it was taped to the housing where I couldn't see it. It's almost certain that it was broken during install at the factory, the wire was taped out of sight, and whomever did this knew that quality check would probably pass since the front speakers still worked. They wouldn't cover it under warranty. How would an oil change have fixed that?
The next time I tried to make a warranty claim, the battery wouldn't start the car. Took it to the dealer. They said that 17% of the battery cells were functional and Kia wouldn't replace the battery under warranty. I asked them, "in what world is a 17% pass a passing grade?". They still wouldn't replace it.
They had to leave me stranded twice more before they would replace it, and the only reason they did is because I ripped into the manager about it. I don't think taking it in for a transmission fluid change would have stopped the battery from flaking out.
Their warranties, their quality/reliability, and their dealer experience ruin what is otherwise a great car.
nova46@reddit
And that's only the beginning. I've been a state inspector for 14 years and let me tell you what, Kia's and Hyundai's do NOT age well. The amount of issues just relating to exterior lighting is on a whole other level compared to any other manufacturer.
I don't care how much of a value they are compared to the competition, if I'm spending 30k on a new car that I plan to keep for a long time, it's not going to be either of them. Which is why I have a deposit on a new Civic Hybrid, I trust Honda and I like they way they drive. Even if the rest of the car was equal, I'm going with the under stressed 2 liter that doesn't have a transmission vs a 1.6 turbo with a dual clutch.
Michelanvalo@reddit
Maybe I'm just lucky but I've never failed inspection or had exterior lighting issues or an engine disaster.
Sesemebun@reddit
When do they normally have issues? I like the 3 free years of inspections/ oil change, and after that my venue has been a good car
The_Bucket_Of_Truth@reddit
My friends had a KIA and the dealer service department scammed them on an oil change for extra cash.
Crazyblazy395@reddit
I think its different from dealer to dealer. I got a new engine for my veloster free from a Hyundai dealer out of warranty and as a second owner. When the head gasket blew on that engine 5000 miles later, a different dealership wouldnt even consider trying to replace the head gasket under warranty.
ZombieLoveChild@reddit
Yeah, when I had my Sonata, the dealer I would take it to had a genuinely good service center that were easy to work with and they were always pretty transparent. The issue that I had there was that the other Hyundai dealer in the area was so fucking terrible that everyone avoided them, which caused some wait time issues because the staff was just way too overwhelmed with cars
B00marangTrotter@reddit
My GF is currently in that hell, she's not an emotional person, but has cried twice now.
Tony-cums@reddit
Why are they going to the dealer? Those cars are incredible now I keep hearing.
idkbruh653@reddit (OP)
You still have to go for basic maintenance. As a Hyundai owner though I can agree, their dealer service is shit. But that also isn’t something that’s exclusive to Hyundai/Kia either.
a1usiv@reddit
It's not really required to visit the dealership for basic maintenance. You can DIY or get it done elsewhere and the warranty will be fine as long as solid records are kept.
idkbruh653@reddit (OP)
True. But not everyone can do it themselves. There’s skill issues or if you’re like me and live in a neighborhood with an HOA, they frown on working on your car at home. And you could go somewhere else besides the dealer to have basic work like oil and filter changes done, but that can potentially create a warranty nightmare if something goes wrong down the line.
a1usiv@reddit
I feel ya. Just wanted to add context to your previous statement that, "You still have to go for basic maintenance."
idkbruh653@reddit (OP)
No worries I get you.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Who doesn't want a 10 year warranty that they can't use?
Lower_Kick268@reddit
They can use it, you just gotta maintain your car or else you don't get to use it.
Fiasko21@reddit
I definitely bought the Civic because the CHASSIS is truly amazing, the way it behaves cruising at 100mph is comparable to a sports car costing double (except for the power).
It has a lot more room than the Corolla, and the Golf I used to have (the golf felt like a mitsubishi mirage inside).
The built quality is TIGHT, and I was able to pickup a 2023 Sport in late 2024 for $20,500 (port injected 2.0 non turbo for longevity).
At 75k miles, it has no issues.. just changed the oem tires, still has the oem pads, still looks and feels like it rolled off the showroom, and it's my daily beater.. IMO honda still builds good cars.
Material_Engineer_85@reddit
What kind of Golf did you have? I have a MK7 and it's been great - super comfortable and quiet on the inside that surpasses some modern day cars. I'm curious if the Honda Civic hybrid is a good equivalent because I'm waiting for VW to be a VW and start falling apart and I want a good backup.
Fiasko21@reddit
I had a MK7 Golf!
I meant the size was tiny inside, not the quality.
keithplacer@reddit
C&D have always been Honda cheerleaders. Just look at how Accord makes the 10 best cars list every year, even back in the era where it was quite unimpressive.
Riverrattpei@reddit
IIRC there's only like 4 years it wasn't on the list
NCSUGrad2012@reddit
The fact that the hideous and bloated 08-12 made the list multiple times blows my mind. That generation didn't even really gain features from the previous generation
TheBolognaPony@reddit
the 8th gen Accord was solid and I personally think fine looking if not bland, but most Accords are. The 7th gen though, yikes.
ggthrowaway1081@reddit
Here for the KIA hate and surprisingly didn't find a lot. Seems people are catching on and not regurgitating "KIA/Hyundai bad" which is the automotive equivalent of "Made in China bad"
DreamInvoker@reddit
People who don't keep up with automotive or have driven the same car for 10 years are acutely unaware how good the South Korean brands are becoming. The flashy styling and willingness to give everyone with a pulse a loan make people think they are the new Nissan.
andrewia@reddit
They're also much faster with new tech than Toyota or Honda. And they care less about market segmentation by adding ventilated seats and 360 cameras to economy cars.
Michelanvalo@reddit
Yeah but they still won't add Adaptive Cruise Control to the fucking Elantra N!
Legend13CNS@reddit
I hope before too long they realize the lower end of their portfolio and dealer situation is hurting the upper end. Having a good product doesn't matter if customers have to luck into having a good dealer nearby, or have to deal with subprime loan owner shenanigans on the road ruining the brand reputation.
I know multiple people that have balked from getting an EN, Hyundai EVs, or Kia EV6 just by the dealer experience.
anticipat3@reddit
Everyone that I have taken for a ride in my Ioniq 6 has either mistaken it for a Porsche, or commented on how nice it was “for a Hyundai.” I felt the same way about the brand until I drove one for a while.
Their engines are still at least a generation behind the best from Japan, but the electrics are cutting edge. They’re also the only brand that’s actually offering a compact (Kona/Niro), midsize (Ioniq 5/EV6), and a 3-row (Ioniq 9/EV9) EV in the US.
Shallow_wanderer@reddit
I mean, there's also the exploding engines, USB cable thefts, and peeling paintwork, and the subprime auto loans to cokehead CNA's with 3 baby daddies
I wonder why people have a negative brand image of Hyundai/Kia at this point, hmmmm
WhippersnapperUT99@reddit
I'd like to see them do a comparison review where the cars are restricted to being under $30k after destination fee and the first trim level above the base level - the one most people will probably buy.
Potential-Ant-6320@reddit
My first thoughts are that they shoudl have included the Prius, but also that the miata is just barely over 30k and one of the best new cars you can buy at any price.
Carvair-98@reddit
"The new Sentra is comfortable when you're sitting still. Every one of our testers found the seats supportive, and it was preferred by all when deadlocked in L.A. traffic. And for good reason: The chairs are quilted, just like in a Maybach."
I don't know when it occurred, but it appears that redditor going on about "Mazda CX-5 > Maybach" has found their way into the C&D staff.
I probably wouldn't have even batted an eye if it said something like "as one might see in more upscale offerings", but to jump all the way to "GOLLY GEE, IT'S JUST LIKE A MAYBACH" is just hilarity, and a bit of a disingenuous way of teeing-up the thing. Like sure, a 1985 Dodge Colt has cloth seats just like a Toyota Century, but if I ever find the two in the same sentence beyond that, I'll be astonished.
MarkVII88@reddit
I'd like to see either of these sites do an entry level base model comparison if these same vehicles.
JorgeXMcKie@reddit
Motor Trend is well know for their car winners being decided by the advertising department. A few years ago they changed their winner because the company chose not to do a special advertising section in the issue.
yobo9193@reddit
Proof?
idkbruh653@reddit (OP)
1997: Chevy Malibu 2012 VW Passat 2025: Lincoln Nautilus ( SUV but still an of the year award)
Jamesthrottlehouse@reddit
The dodge charger winning their car of the year last year is about all the proof I need…
illiterate01@reddit
Uhhhh https://www.motortrend.com/news/volkswagen-golf-gti-r-2026-car-of-the-year
Jamesthrottlehouse@reddit
Wow. I eat my words. Sorry about that. I must have seen their name and this headline near each other at some point and put 2 and 1 together to make 4. Apologies.
jonrpatrick@reddit
Gag. Same allegations have been laid against every major car news source for 40+ years.
JorgeXMcKie@reddit
It was actually quite a while ago now that it happened. I only knew about it because I worked at Ford whose car was selected instead so they had to buy a big ad package with Motor Trend. It was the VW that was dropped. It's not uncommon at all with the periodicals that do reviews/comparisons
Kilika2k@reddit
Yep, if you ever look at the Car of the Year issues, you would see at least a two page spread advertisement of the very same car, sometimes even gloating that they won the award.
And don't get me started with JD Power.
idkbruh653@reddit (OP)
I’ve known something was up with them for years because more than a few times they’ve had some wtf car of the year winners that, when you take a look at them as a consumer, you’re like “nah they can’t be serious.”
ParkAffectionate3537@reddit
I love my '15 Corolla. Thought I might get a '26 but will look at other options. Wish the '14-'19 bodystyle was still here!
Noisyrussinators@reddit
These comparison tests used to be good.
CorgiTitan@reddit
My only problem with the civic hybrid is the 2L engine. I’m starting to see reports of the same head gasket issues that impact the 1.5L engine. Not good when engines start failing at 20k miles.
I_am_the_cheese@reddit
Nooooo I bought this for the 2.0 specifically to avoid the 1.5 because I thought it was NA and bulletproof
CorgiTitan@reddit
If what I’m reading about the issue is correct, the 1.5T and n/a 2.0 share the same or similar engine block design which is where the head gasket issue is.
BayLAGOON@reddit
I'm surprised that a K-series engine is having issues with the head gasket considering Honda had 25 years to refine it. I wonder if the QC is slipping based on the L-series engine issues.
Zanzaclese@reddit
Under 30k without destination, taxes, licensing, filing, whatever bs the dealer has as "required addons" etc etc etc. These are all $35k+ if you actually want to buy one.
filosofia66@reddit
I like jettas. I can understand why it ranked highly
TFiPW@reddit
Impreza filling the Legacy's shoes as the forgettable NPC-mobile.
Now's a good time to add the Crosstrek's hybrid as standard. Give it a sportier body kit and call it a tS.
Low_Succotash5073@reddit
I never really could discern between C&D and Motor Trend. They all just sorta…spit out car reviews, in my eyes. But, in my half-assed surface-level research to confirm this, Car & Driver cares a good deal more about the driving experience than Motor Trend,, even for lumbering SUVs.
SwissMargiela@reddit
From my perspective, C&D is targeted at enthusiasts and Motortrend just people who need cars, but they also do have articles that lean toward enthusiast.
aprtur@reddit
Yup, and CR is there for that Subaru-buyer favorite of diving into all the little spreadsheet details. More publications with sharper focus isn't a bad thing.
MindsEye427@reddit
Yeah, C&D has always put a lot of weight on feeling fun to drive, even in categories of cars where most buyers don't care about that. IMO that's nice for enthusiasts, but those priorities are not in line with what most people want out of e.g. the family SUV. For example they've always kind of underrated Toyotas because of that reason.
CG_Ops@reddit
To be fair, it's in the title, "Car & Driver" not "Car & Masses"
No, no... I'll see myself out
aprtur@reddit
Yeah, I see no reason to fault them on their editorial direction - that's why multiple magazines exist, along with the modern alternatives on YT for five million "will it xxxx" videos.
Fatigue-Error@reddit
Shame they didn’t try out a great little car with superb road feel, that also starts at $30.4k. (I just looked it up.)
Sure, it’s missing two seats…
BamboozlingBoi@reddit
Yeah, I noticed the same too. I guess different magazines/reviewers for different people. Car&Driver for the car/handling enthusiast & Motortrend for the everyday people who happen to be interested in cars
Ombortron@reddit
Absolutely. It’s one of the reasons I *like* car and driver, because it usually has an emphasis on fun and driving dynamics regardless of vehicle type, which I appreciate.
BamboozlingBoi@reddit
I like C&D too. But sometimes, it's a bit too much y'know lol. I don't need a 4Runner or a F550 to handle/ride like a Miata lmao.
ChasedWarrior@reddit
CD has always been about cars that are fun to drive. And what I like best about CD is the writing and sense of humor. The letters section (Backfires) is sometimes comedy gold, especially when Ed. responds.
ikilledtupac@reddit
I do t trust Honda reviews anymore.
Shallow_wanderer@reddit
Especially since all the reviews of Honda/Acura products during their problematic automatic transmission era from 1998-2006 were still glazing the cars while ignoring that issue
JDM_WAAAT@reddit
Good news, the Hybrid Civic doesn't have a transmission (technically)
CoRifleman@reddit
Oh boy the Kia/Hyundai haters gonna go ham.
MembershipNo2077@reddit
Hater here: No, it's fine. These articles don't force me to buy them. I also appreciate them because it's easier to see who to avoid on the road.
MotorcycleCar@reddit
What makes you want to avoid them on the road?
MisterEinc@reddit
Their own personal superiority complex. I assume they associate these cars with "the poors."
MembershipNo2077@reddit
I associate them with being maniacs. If it was the "poors" then it would include all economy cars in the same price bracket.
CoRifleman@reddit
Fair enough. The roughest thing is the way they are not maintained by a large subset of owners because of the exceptional warranty. I think they get abused because of that and what should be a positive ends up really hurting the brand.
TrptJim@reddit
Wouldn't you looking down your nose at a huge segment of car buyers because of a brand be the actual superiority complex?
creep_nu@reddit
At least around me, kias are the new Nissan. Poorly kept, younger drivers, often distracted, driving aggressively. Not all kia drivers obviously, but that's what I see around me
Vhozite@reddit
Nissan drivers followed very closely by Kia drivers where I live. Clapped Honda Accord’s are also starting to get that way.
MembershipNo2077@reddit
When driving around my area you'll find Altimas and Model 3s are the aggressive maniacs of the road, I think this is a countrywide phenomenona really.
But something about Kia and Hyundai around here attracts the type that will ding the shit of your car in a lot or merge into you slowly in traffic.
It's all stereotypes but hey, that's also the root of a lot of glib responses. Now go watch the dude below rail about classism.
My real hate comes from having actually owned and dealt with Hyundai which was its own nightmare.
B00marangTrotter@reddit
I recently drove a new Jetta, and loved it, that turbo plus great gas mileage, plus comfortable ride, plus well thought out interior.
Top stop in the category for me.
FourEyesAndThighs@reddit
Car and Driver went out of their way to get a Civic hybrid, yet didn't bother to get its exact competitor: A Corolla hybrid. Then they just praised the hell out of the Civic, as usual.
blunt-but-true@reddit
None of them are cool or fun. Get a 2018+ BMW
lostwolf128@reddit
I just recently bought a Civic Hatchback Hybrid and I felt that for the money is was a great value. Subaru has the worst screens that really hold their cars back. I'm kinda surprised Mazda wasn't in this comparison. I'd figure being able to get a manual and a nice interior would but it somewhere on their list.
IsometricRain@reddit
Motor trend has been out of touch for years now. I'll literally listen to a <100 subscriber youtuber over them.
Car and driver has consistently high quality writing, and understands the typical car enthusiast way better (though they still lean towards modernity a bit much). Their outcome here makes 100% sense.
costafilh0@reddit
That's because they were paid by different companies.
Iiari@reddit
The most surprising thing to me here is that C&D and MT still exist. I haven't looked at either in, like, 15 years.
Vhozite@reddit
Car and Driver “Tested” articles are great for finding a whole bunch of specs in one place. 0-60, Brakimg Distance, 1/4 mile times /trap speed, etc. Their spec pages are also good for things like dimensions, curb weight, gear ratios, and so on.
But to your point their actual articles are buns. MT is even worse imo
BioDriver@reddit
Both of them leaving out the Mazda3 was certainly a choice. As a daily driver it punches way above its weight and it only lost to the Civic last time because the torsion beam wasn’t as engaging (at the expense of a quieter ride, which Honda seems vehemently against)
andrewia@reddit
I could see them leaving it out because it's getting old, and unlike the Corolla, isn't as popular with buyers. It's also missing newer tech like lane centering. But if that's the reason, they should definitely state that.
PaulClarkLoadletter@reddit
C&D loves Honda.
woofyyyyyy@reddit
Surprised they left the Mazda 3 out. I’d say it’s probably one of the sportiest cars left in this price segment. Cool to see the humble civic rating highly 👍
broke_saturn@reddit
I very recently had a 2024 or 25 Sentra as a rental. Drove it from Myrtle Beach back to Pittsburgh due to a certain airline going belly up. It had 30k miles, seemed like a base model, but did have adaptive cruise control.
Overall I didn’t dislike it. The ride was ok, the handling was pretty decent, the seat was fine for 600+ miles and it was averaging nearly 40mpg until I got into West Virginia.
I probably wouldn’t buy one, but overall in didn’t seem like a terrible car. Still hate the CVT though.
no-thanks-thot@reddit
Since they take outside advertising from car manufacturers, both publications are far from objective. Think about it, why would they bite the hand that feeds them by trashing a car deservedly, when they would lose advertising dollars?
NorCalAthlete@reddit
Kia, Hyundai, Genesis have come a LONG way in the last 10 years. I would take any of the 3 over their current Nissan competitors for starters, and they’re definitely shoulder checking Honda / Toyota in the budget categories. Even the stinger / Elantra N / etc are nipping at bmw / Mercedes’ heels.