If you are against AI are you even libertarian!?!?
Posted by Cannoli72@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 26 comments
the amount of so called “libertarians “ against AI is mind boggling…..this should be a showcase for pro free markets.
AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit
No Clanker Slop.
You're free to use AI, we're free to not allow it here. Private Property, Private Rules.
browni3141@reddit
People are allowed to have their own personal opinions, but I do think it's weird for libertarians to be anti-AI. It's inherently unlibertarian to support AI regulation.
Obviously the government should not subsidize the industry and let the free market decide who the winners and losers are.
I think it's critical for the future of liberty to ensure access to unrestricted models, no guardrails, that can run locally on consumer hardware. If only governments and elite can access the state of the art they will just use it to consolidate power to the degree that it can never be clawed back.
dlham11@reddit
I mean, isnt protest literally what libertarianism is about?
Secondly, libertarians tend to be very big on environmental protections. One of the few governing agencies we tend to like is the NPS (National Park Service), because its entire job is protecting our nations ecosystem.
AI data centers are absolutely detrimental to water supplies, electricity grids, and heat indexes.
Utah is currently anticipated upwards of a 28* Fahrenheit increase in night-time temperatures, which will severely impact the ecosystem as a whole.
( https://www.ksl.com/article/news/utah/environment/scientists-raise-concerns-over-hyperscale-data-center-impact-on-ecology/51494260 )
Nearly 50k residents in Lake Tahoe, California are about to lose access to the electricity grid to ensure enough power goes to the data center being built.
( https://fortune.com/2026/05/12/lake-tahoe-data-center-49000-residents-power-source/ )
Additionally, governments are utilizing these AI data centers to build mass surveillance infrastructure and automated weapon systems.
(Look into anything about Palantir and its subsidiary Flock, and their connections to the Israeli government. I would post sources but I’d have to find like 10 different things to cover all of it.)
Even more so, AI has started developing, on its own, self preservation instincts, peer preservation instincts, has been disobeying directives and codes, has been lying, committing blackmail, and even attempted to commit murder to avoid being shutdown.
But the newer models have gotten better about that… only because they’re more self-aware and recognize they’re being watched.
They also suffer from hallucinations on a regular basis.
They also recently reprogrammed themselves to hack into their own data center to mine cryptocurrency.
(Videos with detailed articles in description.
https://youtu.be/f9HwA5IR-sg?si=TGKBKRGyYH2beWVE
https://youtu.be/FGDM92QYa60?si=-d80paUDI1ZmIQwu
https://youtu.be/QZfO6zg-__0?si=iJDmpfEOw8yeTUjn )
I really… highly… recommend learning more about what AI is doing without being told, and why the top researchers are classifying it as a potential existential threat, before posting opinions and spreading propaganda online.
Cannoli72@reddit (OP)
where is national parks a legitimate enumerated power in the constitution?
Cowrekted@reddit
No but it doesn't need to be. Its implied since preservation of the land is necessary (and proper!) for too many things that are enumerated in the constitution for me to bother listing.
Cannoli72@reddit (OP)
actually the constitution is pretty clear they don’t want government owning property. Hence the 10 square mile limit. in ad the enumerated powers are few and defined…..I’ll help you, so you don’t have to bother. national parks are unconstitutional
Cowrekted@reddit
The ten square mile limit refers to the governments seat, aka Washington DC. And you miss the entire point of the elastic clause, which is to ensure that the enumerated powers can be enforced!!. Can you tax logs that have all been harvested? Can you get scientific breakthroughs from non existent forests? Can you have commerce with foreign nations and Indian tribes when all the resources to sell are depleted?
Cowrekted@reddit
In fact under the articles of confederation and still after the ratification the government owned plenty of land and sold it via the Northwest Ordinance. So I think you misread the constitution on the 10 sq mile thing.
Cannoli72@reddit (OP)
Elastic clause!!!!!…. Yeah you are definitely not a libertarian
Cowrekted@reddit
Thank you for taking the time to read my argument and respond to it properly.
Instead of making false personal attacks you could instead take time to read my argument. Anyways, I can assure you ones position on the Elastic clause does NOT determine my political ideology. I have stated (and implied as my belief) that the elastic clause only implies to enforcing powers EXPLICITLY ENUMERATED in the constitution, all of which, say for patents and maybe commerce, completely aligns with libertarian beliefs. What I find even funnier is you didnt catch onto me implying the Necessary and Proper clause earlier on so clearly you have zero idea what you're actually talking about and you are just regurgitating someone else's shit. So maybe, before you go launching personal attacks at least bother to do your research, asshole.
dlham11@reddit
I don’t believe it is. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s one of the few (if not the only) good government agencies I’ve ever seen.
Also, love how you cherry picked one statement out of an entire essay explaining why AI, and its infrastructure, is an issue.
BringBackUsenet@reddit
Non seguitur.
Susbirder@reddit
All the heady concepts and cheeky arguments in this busy graphic...and yet it still misses the correct "you're."
Cannoli72@reddit (OP)
yes, to expose the grammar Nazi’s since they have no other legitimate arguments
TheyCallMeLotus0@reddit
Yet of all the legitimate arguments, the grammar is the only comment your dumbass has replied to
Cannoli72@reddit (OP)
what can I say…..I love you!
MultiPass21@reddit
He says with the never appropriate “apostrophe s” to denote plurality.
chargnawr@reddit
The Statue of Liberty is a false idol
ggros@reddit
The “Chat GPT Stole my Poetry” button is actually really funny. See the AI is getting better at humor, for that reason alone I say we keep building data centers.
MultiPass21@reddit
The biggest misunderstanding this sub has about its own political ideology is the consistent implication that identifying as a Libertarian requires absolute subscription to its principles.
justinlanewright@reddit
I am the only True Libertarian.
locke577@reddit
I'm not against AI. I'm against the government selling public land and giving sweetheart deals to AI companies that end up hurting people in the communities where they're built
TheyCallMeLotus0@reddit
There is no free market about it. AI exists because of data centers. Data centers which only exist because of their ability to bribe politicians for tax incentives and discounted energy, which is then thrusted upon the tax payer and communities local to data centers. AI can’t exist without robbing from all of us, so why should they get a pass?
ltbones@reddit
I don't think wanting to make sure ai server farms have a neutral impact on the environment is un-Libertarian. That's my real shtick, people are losing jobs because the promise of an AI future where the infrastructure that supports that ai future is being footed by the guy who just got laid off.
AkimboBears@reddit
Im not against AI but the current form of consumer LLMs are very innificent and only operate because of loose money. Small language models, and more tailored applications of machine learning are the future.
Jolly_Job_9852@reddit
Are you really doing a purity test for libertarian ideals?