How did Chinese made cars become so popular?
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In March this year, the Jeacoo 7 was the best selling car in the UK. How did Chinese made cars become so popular all of a sudden? (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/why-are-jaecoos-and-omodas-selling-so-well-dealer-reveals-all)
I always thought historically “Made in China” was perceived as cheap or fake, is that perception now changing
Context: I don’t own a Chinese car but considering a new car atm and shopping around
cozywit@reddit
Cheap.
Pushed heavily through car schemes.
redunculuspanda@reddit
And also really high spec.
On paper a basic spec Chinese car will have more extras than a top end legacy manufacturer.
NoThatsNotPasta@reddit
The problem with that is that a) they'll be cheaply made and b) getting spare parts after an accident is (apparently) near on impossible.
But as you said: cheap. So people put up with it.
AncientsofMumu@reddit
Unlike, say Ford, who arent cheaply made?
Anyone for wet belts and plastic dashes?
Turbojelly@reddit
Ferrari use Ford branded indicator covers. The "quality" of most US/EU car brands has dropped a lot and are relying on their reputation of being good instead of being actually good.
According-Bit1786@reddit
Lambo is owned by VW Group. So shares plenty of parts with Audi, same who share parts with Skoda etc.
Used to do IT for a load of Skoda dealerships, was fun to configure a Lambo up on the Skoda IT systems, through the VW network.
Technically a Skoda dealership can sell you an Audi or a Lambo
Drax_orbit@reddit
You can also order VW sausages by part number from the VW sausage factory outside of Berlin.
SlavetoLove123@reddit
Theres a clip of a Veyron owner from the UK whose window switch had stopped working, he claimed Bugatti wanted £10k (or something like that) to replace it. He took it to a mates garage who replaced it on the spot with a spare one he had as it was a standard VAG part.
Jacktheforkie@reddit
Most dealers can get hold of parts for other manufacturers too, I took my Nissan to Mercedes cuz Mercedes had cheaper labour than the Nissan dealers 210 quid an hour and independent garages didn’t handle EV stuff despite my issue being literally the same as on ice cars
goldenthoughtsteal@reddit
Lol, love the idea of buying a Lambo with a Skoda dealers sticker on the back window, somehow hilarious :)
PorschephileGT3@reddit
I bought my old M5 from Mini specialist, had their name on the plates. I may also have put a 516d badge on the back.
TheLoneSculler@reddit
Now that's what I call enshittification
John1v6@reddit
Jaguar XJ220 had obvious Ford parts
Darkseth2207@reddit
Nah, it makes sense. Niche car manufacturers want to spend their R&D budget on their USP like engine, aero etc.. They want reliable components for everything else and mass produced marques normally have the most reliable "everyday" components; they don't want to pay out for a recall so they perform extensive product testing for their components.
I mean, on the whole anyway. The whole push for efficiency made some of them makes questionable decisions (see the wet belt engines), but for everything else...
deHaga@reddit
When Ford owned Aston they were using Fiesta switches lol
MrJones-@reddit
Say what will but I won’t give up Qashqai it’s got the right balance of tech and not being a price shit with parts easily available
mach2001@reddit
I used to work at Aston Martin, Newport Pagnell and the amount of Ford and Volvo parts that went into it would surprise a lot of people, considering you are supposed to be paying for a premium car.
BuryMikno@reddit
Mt neighbor flips cars. The year was 2013 so I may not remember the exact luxury brand but, as I was coming back from work, I see him and another guy over a car. He asks me "what do you think about this car?".
I said: "That's the new Mondeo?"
Turns out it was a Jaguar (I think).
Sorry but THAT "Jaguar" was 90% rebadged Mondeo, my eyes told the truth!
TheHornyGoth@reddit
Rover 75 springs to mind.
It’s a jag. Try telling me otherwise.
International-You-13@reddit
Ford cars have a way of looking like ford cars, even when it's a Jag.
EveningHere@reddit
I think you’re talking about the X-Type. Although it was based on the same platform, it was heavily modified and shares only about 19% of parts with the Mondeo, many of them trivial stuff like the AC unit. The track, drivetrain and engines were all different.
Cow_Launcher@reddit
TVR were much the same.
Though I sincerely doubt that's news to... anyone, some of it was incredibly blatant, like window switches from a Mk1 Mondeo.
mr_weathervane@reddit
Pretty certain that the audio / satnav system was lifted from Renault or someone similar.
AdNumerous8876@reddit
I also worked for AM, but I don't know what you're expecting from a car manufacturer who only builds 20-25 cars a day. They can't make bespoke electronics etc. The Ford, Volvo and sometimes Land Rover parts are more reliable than something made in-house.
BillWilberforce@reddit
I seem to remember that back in the early 1990s. Aston Martin would have been limited to selling something like 499 cars per year. If they hadn't been owned by Ford. As they couldn't afford to develop their own airbag system. So would have had to have remained a micro sized car manufacturer. Also the DB7, which really launched modern Aston Martin. Was based on a discarded Jaguar design, which was lated introduced with updates by Jaguar as IIRC the XK8.
EveningHere@reddit
Interestingly, despite not being owned by Ford for ages now, Jaguars and Land Rovers still have heated windscreens as an option which was invented by Ford and patented. I think they ended up just letting everyone else use the tech in the end.
BillWilberforce@reddit
But a patent only lasts for 20-25 years or so depending on the country. So anybody can copy the design verbatim after that. Or to look at the end result and find a non-infringing way to do it e.g. if Ford patented a system to blow hot air under the window, then GM could put electric wires through the window.
Tammer_Stern@reddit
I have a Ford. It’s 10 years old now. In that time, it’s needed a new shock absorber, battery and tyres.
Ok_Young1709@reddit
Sounds like you rarely drive it. You haven't changed the brakes at all in 10 years? Must barely drive it for that.
Rose_Of_Sanguine@reddit
Brakes are consumables.
Ok_Young1709@reddit
So are tyres and batteries and yet he listed them. 😂
Tammer_Stern@reddit
Brakes have been done during the services
Ok_Young1709@reddit
So not just tyres etc 😂 what else was done during services
Tammer_Stern@reddit
Did you want the filters, oil, and brake fluids listed dude?
Ok_Young1709@reddit
Yeah everything, because you can't say 'all that's been done is shock absorber, tyres, and battery' when that's not the case. What else has been done during services or mots that you've missed off, the exhaust? Engine? 😂 I mean it's a ford, if it's an eco boost, most likely the engine has gone by now.
ArmouredFlump@reddit
I've had many Fords over the years. Some were great. Some were shit. One was absolutely abysmal and spent more time on a ramp than it did on the road.
Honestly I think there's so many variables in car manufacturing that cost and historic reputation is no longer a guarantee of quality.
Tammer_Stern@reddit
Yeah imagine what it’s like if there’s a long wait for parts.
ArmouredFlump@reddit
That will change though as these companies get a foothold. I imagine they also use a lot of standard kit as well rather than custom parts.
Fwoggie2@reddit
That’s because it’s ten years old. Good luck getting a new Ford to last ten years.
andrew0256@reddit
How come anyone can see old Focuses, Fiestas, C-Max's and so in abundance? Mondeos disappeared quick, I'll give you that.
Fwoggie2@reddit
Exactly. Even Kuga's are becoming rare now unless it's got the dependable 2.0L diesel engine. Go back just seven years and you won't find many automatic fiestas and focuses left because the powershift automatic gearbox is crap; fluid leaks in them are a big issue.
sugarrayrob@reddit
Your anecdotal example doesn't mean all Ford cars are reliable or well made. There is literally data and an entire industry of experienced professionals who agree with you.
RepresentativeWay734@reddit
Buy a ford buy the best, ride a mile and walk the rest. Build quality of fords over the years have been horrendous. This is from someone who used to be a ford fan.
Tammer_Stern@reddit
Sounds like I’m on the right track if everyone agrees with me?
It’s possibly my Just World Hypothesis but I feel almost every car these days lasts years, with no problems, if you get them serviced correctly.
LobCatchPassThrow@reddit
I mean, my Toyota is 14, had a new clutch, about 4 sets of tyres, and 2 new batteries in that time.
If you look after it, it’ll last.
Tammer_Stern@reddit
Yeah I feel you’ll avoid 90% of issues by servicing correctly. I’m guessing mine will need some work on the suspension soon.
FitSolution2882@reddit
And is it a wet belt engine version?
Tammer_Stern@reddit
According to the Ford garage it isn’t, but I stand by my belief that if you get a car serviced properly it will avoid 90% of issues.
-Po-Tay-Toes-@reddit
Wet belts are notorious for breaking though, not something a standard service will affect.
Tammer_Stern@reddit
They’re notorious for breaking when using the incorrect oil spec, I feel.
FitSolution2882@reddit
It is an iinherent design weakness......
Tammer_Stern@reddit
Possibly, if it’s true that x% of people will not get their car serviced properly then they’ll have a risk of a serious problem.
karmacarmelon@reddit
I had a Ford focus about 15 years ago and the dual mass flywheel needed replacing before it even got to 40,000 miles.
flight_forward@reddit
Tell me you ride the clutch without telling me. Or a driver of that car did.
neilm1000@reddit
What are wet belts?
ceestars@reddit
Historically, many cars had their overhead camshafts driven by a belt on the outside of the engine, where it's typically dry.
But better and more reliable are those with chain driven camshafts rather than using belts. Chains last far longer. These are typically inside the engine where they are lubricated by the engine oil. They'll often outlive the rest of the engine.
Some bright spark thought it would be a swell idea to put a critical rubber belt inside a hot, oily engine. It was the worst idea and they are extremely unreliable.
drivingagermanwhip@reddit
My brother had a Dacia Spring EV with a wet belt. It disintegrated. Caused more damage than was worth fixing. Pretty wild engineering decision there.
Even their own website doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
holybannaskins@reddit
An EV with a timing belt?
XihuanNi-6784@reddit
Yes. What people forget is that this was the reputation of a lot of other places that are now considered quality. I imagine if you got anything manufactured in Korea back in the 70s or 80s you wouldn't have rated it highly. Nowadays they've moved up the value chain and are considered quality.
Something else people forget is that most stuff made in China is being commissioned by Western companies and they're the ones who set the quality expectations. A huge amount of luxury brand items are made in China but they just don't put it on the label due to the associations, but it's made in the same country as all the other 'cheap tat'.
SavageRabbitX@reddit
Which ever engineer thought wet belts were a good idea needs a slap
Darkseth2207@reddit
But they are a good idea, against the requirements they were given! So much hinges on efficiency that a 0.5% efficiency improvement helps them sell more cars by improving the test figures (lower mpg, lower emissions which reduce tax, etc.).
These emission improvements are probably eclipsed by the waste due to scrapped engines, but there is no disincentive for poorer reliability (bar brand reputation). So the engineers probably warned the managers and bean counters that a wet belt engine would be less reliable, but their concerns were overridden.
It happens all the time with engineers recommendations being overridden by other project considerations.
geniuslogitech@reddit
carwow reviewed some SUV and interior felt sturdier on it than RR and the stitching was better than on RR, obv on RR leather quality and stuff is better but used RR was like 4x the price of that new SUV
Rich6-0-6@reddit
I've worked in aftermarket parts for the last 11 years. The oldest MG3s are 14 years old now and we still struggle to get anything more than filters for them. Even basics like brakes are a struggle, so I really wouldn't bank on it getting any better anytime soon.
FitSolution2882@reddit
People also seem to put up with it with the likes of British, German, French and Italian cars.....
The rampant snobbery re Chinese cars really is laughable.
There's a reason why so many of us swear by Japanese vehicles over anything else.
SlaBLister@reddit
Because people see East asian stuff these days and think "this is awesome!" It's just bias because of CCP propaganda
TheImagineer67@reddit
How ironic you parroting yank propaganda.
SlaBLister@reddit
Yanks don't oppress other cultures like Jinping land does
TheImagineer67@reddit
Should we ask the people of Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Iran, Lebanon, Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia etc etc etc if that's true?
SlaBLister@reddit
That's geopolitical invasions. Not taking residents within your land and, by law, forcing them to abide by certain ways of living. And let's be real, two of them are not really able to be considered cultures if the people that live there hate it. Ya know, that ayatollah stuff and telly ban shenanigans.
Jinping land has a funny relationship with Uiygurs and colonized Tibet, whose government still lives in exile in India to this day. Tibetans are not exactly happy about the suppression they're facing
TheImagineer67@reddit
Really tying yourself in knots here, eh? Faux concern from bigots is always hilarious.
SlaBLister@reddit
I hope you don't think I'm a blind mayo supporting weirdo lmao. I just think the US is the lesser of two evils.
AtlasOk81@reddit
I was sat behind a 2 year old 2 series earlier today and watched as the rear led brake light flickered then died.
High quality from a premium brand.
Beena22@reddit
Feels very much like how the British motorbike industry reacted to Japanese bikes right before the Japanese manufacturers absolutely decimated British companies in the sixties and seventies.
feckarse-drinkgirls@reddit
The Japanese bikes had one distinct benefit
They were a hell of a lot more reliable than the domestic alternatives
mrb2409@reddit
It’s not even ‘cheap’ it’s that the European & Japanese cars have all got super expensive. £40-50k Golfs and Civics is crazy stuff.
matomo23@reddit
At least Japanese cars are reliable though.
imp0ppable@reddit
That seems expensive because of inflation (and because most people's wages haven't kept up).
A Golf GTI was around 21k in 2005 and now it's about 40k, I think if you worked out the inflation over that period in the UK you'd find the real price has increased but only by 2 or 3k.
stickyjam@reddit
Like comparing the cost of a pint and realising the worst part of the equation is wage stagnation
imp0ppable@reddit
Well and duty because the government is stony broke
kemb0@reddit
I wonder how much of that is down to little more than: Stock price must go up.
I imagine most chinese companies don't care much for having to contastly see their share price go through the roof, so no need to keep putting prices up. Meanwhile western companies are obsessed about squeezing every penny out of the consumers whilst squeezing the quality as low as they can get away with, all so they can make their share price rise.
So now we finally see the consequences of that.
imp0ppable@reddit
It might be partly that but there's a whole plethora of different reasons why it is. For one thing a lot of infrastructure in China has been completely rebuilt with new roads so people are buying cars for the first time (a lot of people never had them before).
Also the product engineering expertise which China has now due to manufacturing pretty much everything under the sun for the last 20 or 30 years.
Relatively low labour cost etc.
According-Bit1786@reddit
There's an interesting part where the EU dictates that new cars have to have so much equipment as standard, that manufacturers can't build small cheap cars with enough margin any more.
mrb2409@reddit
Chinese cars have to meet those same standards as well though
g33ksc13nt1st@reddit
You know today's car market is crazy when for the price of a Golf GTI you can easily get an Alfa Romeo 4C second hand with good mileage.
BMW_wulfi@reddit
Not always true - MG SAIC parts are easy to get.
Peon01@reddit
all the new cars these days are cheaply made, they upsell the brand
conragious@reddit
What car isn't cheaply made?
Dangerous_Trick5292@reddit
My mate just crashed his Jaecoo, im interested in seeing how long the repairs take before I think about a chery made car
Jacktheforkie@reddit
Mums got an MG and at 30k miles the wheel bearing started making noise, my Dacia did 4x that before a gnarly pothole buggered one of the bearings
Saiing@reddit
Tired old "trust me bro" argument not based on facts. China leads the world now in battery tech with lithium iron phosphate (LFP) blade batteries. Toyota, BMW and a lot of other brands (even Tesla) use Chinese battery tech. Most of the mainstream brands use hot-formed steel architecture which is the same as western brands and have received 5-star NCAP ratings. A lot of the cabins are fitted with tier-1 materials no different to western models and often sourced from the same Chinese factories. Sure some of the really budget models may use cheaper materials but the core ranges of most Chinese vehicles these days are on par with or ahead of more well known western manufacturers.
houseofn1njas@reddit
Do you know this or is this an assumption? I own a Tesla Y and I've never come across such poor build quality in a car. I've also sat in most models of Chinese EVs (I live in HK) and there's utter dross (Aion and GAC in particular) but I've been in some really nice ones and I was very surprised at the quality.
Altruistic_Fruit2345@reddit
Can confirm that they are not cheaply made. MG S5, for example, regularly available top spec long range for £23k. Quiet, refined, comfortable, great spec with things like a large screen and power tailgate. Good performance, very well designed and thought out.
The only real downside is that it looks a bit boring compared to completion like the new Leaf, but that's minor.
lwbyomp@reddit
they are not cheaply made, China is a leading manufacturer - for a long time now - the old stereotype of poorly made cheap & 'inferior' products is decades old.
Where Europe ( IMHO ) has the edge & I'd guess US based readers will possibly think similar of their manufacturers is in style & design aesthetic especially - as a European I find few Chinese or US cars good to look at or impractical ( US 'trucks' & cars broadly are just not compatible with our narrow roads - maybe ideal for US market ) Chinese cars possibly have an design accent that is more to their market, which is also wholly understandable.
It seems in the UK at least a big problem people buying Chinese cars are having is getting insurance as the insurance companies have no data to work with & so premiums can be huge compared against established auto makers.
Ok-Personality-6630@reddit
There will be plenty of parts in a few years when breakers have had a shot at them. Getting parts for my car is easy because the petrol version ends early, so plenty go to scrap
Zealousideal_Glass61@reddit
You're conflating cheaply made with cheap materials. The reason the Chinese can make things cheaper has more to do with labour force and the availability of labour. Many of the parts in most cars are coming from China now. BMW motorbikes have their engines made there, KTM had their engines made there. In fact a Chinese company recently rebuilt a KTM engine and re-engineered all of the problems out of it. People used to say the same shit about Japanese cars and motorbikes now look where we are! Honda has been one of the most reliable brands for decades. Chinese does not equal bad anymore
elmo298@reddit
Yeah, sick of Chinese owned cars, I'm going to go drive my Volvo
stevoknevo70@reddit
Volvo are Chinese owned but still operate somewhat autonomously from Sweden, they've got production facilities worldwide, not just in China - European market XC40/V60/EX30 are made in Belgium; XC60/V60 CC/XC90 are still made in Sweden.
CarWow on YT tests a lot of Chinese cars, you get massive spec for the money, but the underlying thing that seems to pop up in most of the reviews is they handle terribly on twisty UK roads, whereas the 'legacy' manufacturers don't because they've had decades of engineering experience to account for that which the new Chinese brands don't have...yet.
mr_weathervane@reddit
Most are new cars on leases so as long as the car is reasonably reliable during the lease period, the lessee doesn’t need to worry about the longevity of the vehicle. That said, I can’t imagine that the residual values on these will be that high for the leasing companies which will translate into higher monthly rental payments.
askoorb@reddit
With both of these if you "rent" through a PCP / company car scheme etc it's not your problem if it breaks or needs repairing.
I'm interested in what the second hand value will be when the car finance companies want to offload them at the end of the leases. Will people be willing to pay decent money to own a 2nd hand Chinese car coming to the end of its warranty?
Finerfings@reddit
I went in a few as taxis in thailand last year.
They look nice, inside feel cheap and nasty af. I'm by no means a car snob. I drive a skoda fabia.
ImperitorEst@reddit
Also spare parts is much less of a concern when you're leasing
tolo3349@reddit
Why are parts hard to source for a Chinese made car? Assuming most stuff is made in China anyways.
Gullible_fool_99@reddit
I would disagree with being cheaply made. They are actually quite well made if you compare them with mid-range brands like Ford, Renault or Mazda. Also, more and more dealers are taking the chinese brands on and they will have no problems getting spares.
KruppeTheWise@reddit
You remember the pandemic when we couldn't get basic supplies because it all came from China?
Oh, and we also couldn't get cars made in our countries because...all the parts are made in China too?
Now that China are assembling the cars, suddenly you don't want to drive them because "cheaply made"
drivingagermanwhip@reddit
Having tried to get support from VW I don't think this is unique to Chinese cars
Ok_Teacher6490@reddit
People lease everything now anyway, so why would they care if they can get parts in five years. It's coming back to bite the legacy manufacturers.
manicrebirth@reddit
Pretty much all vehicles today are write offs after a single accident anyway.
Pretty sure the whole thing is designed that way, they’ve made all the parts so expensive that anything other than a minor bump will instantly write off your car.
According-Bit1786@reddit
Especially when the parts have "badge tax".
So many parts are just the exact same, but as soon as you buy them through the network for that specific brand, suddenly they're many X the price...
Aggressive_Chuck@reddit
China are good at making things so I don't expect a spare parts problem to last long.
Who-ate-my-biscuit@reddit
I do wonder if the Chinese have watched what the US companies did with services (running them at cost/a loss to capture market share) and said ‘we can do that with our manufacturing industry.
The-Hollow-Night@reddit
Are they cheaply made because labour is cheaper, or are you saying they are made to a lower quality ?
Plumot@reddit
The lease scheme factor makes spare parts a bit of a non-issue for a lot of people
SteveGoral@reddit
Land Rover have been doing this for decades. Luckily spares are relatively easy to come by as its guaranteed to need something.
Unusual_Sherbert2671@reddit
Mercedes, Ford, Renault, Vauxhall are all cheaply made.
This_Suit8791@reddit
Parts is why insurance is higher on Chinese cars as well.
Ultrasonic-Sawyer@reddit
Yeah like to start they look in size to a land rover copy but massively cheaper.
Then they have higher spec and features than most mid to high end land rovers.
And tend to cost south of 40/50k for their tip spec, when many land rovers start north of 50 or 60k
Yes there's prestige and known brands but is it worth 20-40k more to potentially get a car with fewer features ?
More importantly, the pcp will be cheaper and it'll be easier or less of a cost to just jump to the newer model in a couple of years when the warranty runs out.
People are basically left wondering if the JLR badge is worth tens of thousand more for functionally very little or perhaps less depending on your requirements.
Ok-Airport-6058@reddit
High spec?! 🤔
redunculuspanda@reddit
Panoramic sub roofs. All the driver assists. 360 cameras.
All that stuff doesn’t usually come with poverty spec cars
Phenomenomix@reddit
I would guess that your Jaecoo 7 might be cheap but when you come to replace it the Jaecoo 10 is going to priced more in-line with other manufacturers.
Ok_Analyst_5640@reddit
Kia and Hyundai started out similar. Obviously not high end, but they'd give you just enough extras on the poverty spec that other manufacturers would have charged more for to convince people. Like a 2007 Kia ceed came with electric windows all round whereas a Skoda Fabia - a comparable car from a legacy manufacturer - had windy windows in the back.
Both started out cheap and moved up to mid market
Buttoneer138@reddit
And they don’t charge a subscription for heated seats
MonsieurGump@reddit
Garages should just buy a couple spare cars.
AlfaRomeoRacing@reddit
Same with the motorbikes. Can get chinese made midsized adventure bike, from the company who has been making engines etc for the well known european manufacturers for the last 20 years, at half the price of the european bike, with all the optional extras included in the price
cozywit@reddit
That's what cheap means.
OldManChino@reddit
eh, i think in british english cheap has a connotation of poor quality
cozywit@reddit
Like the English give a fuck about quality these days.
fullmoonbeam@reddit
Not cheap, value for money. Value has been in short supply for a long time in the car space.
morebob12@reddit
And CCP subsidies
monstrao@reddit
Tesla benefiting through government led carbon credits and subsidies is totally fine though
morebob12@reddit
Nowhere near on the scale as what China is doing
monstrao@reddit
Please tell of this ‘scale’ as Elon Musk has practically been trumps right hand man and received at least $38 billion in government funding https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/117956/documents/HMKP-119-JU00-20250226-SD003.pdf
This doesn’t even take carbon credits into account
morebob12@reddit
Lmao a quick search of your own would’ve given you the answer to that. The scale is orders of magnitude greater than that.
Around $230b from 09-23 and $45b in 2023 alone.
https://itif.org/publications/2024/07/29/how-innovative-is-china-in-the-electric-vehicle-and-battery-industries/
ZBD-04A@reddit
God forbid a country boost their industry.
FuckingVeet@reddit
*CPC. And no, production isn't subsidised on any meaningful scale. There were heavy subsidies for research and development in Chinese car manufacturing, particularly for EVs, but I don't particularly think that's a bad thing.
Also these subsidies overwhelmingly came from regional governments, not the national government or the party.
morebob12@reddit
Lmao not sure what that correction is all about. Both terms are correct however CCP is more widely used in the Western world.
Would love to know where exactly you’re getting your information from. The European Commission investigated this very topic last year and the report was very damning against China. They found heavy state backing at virtually every corner of the supply chain and production.
So naive to not think China EVs are heavily state funded.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/06/13/what-brussels-found-when-it-probed-chinese-subsidies-and-electric-cars
superioso@reddit
That's not the main reason. The Chinese are just the best at manufacturing due to doing it so much, and have ridiculously good supply chains due to making everything domestically already.
Dry_Yam_4597@reddit
> Cheap.
Heh. I guess we need a bit higher unemployment rates for some to understand that western made products are actually cheap, while chinese products have become high quality. Even support for chinese products is higher quality. When I buy products from british vendors and I have warranty issues i expect friction, from chinese vendors I expect replacement parts or servicing without any issues whatsoever.
I actually avoid with intention british private sellers on Amazon - except of course for well known brands - because they will likely be scams or fail to understand how to treat customers.
I buy everything I can from China - most products are imported from there anyway.
Leather-Substance-39@reddit
I would say European cars started to become ridiculously overpriced. A small supermini (B-segment) car used to be a good choice for a first car. Then they got so expensive that people started buying second hand cars instead. Those have some miles on them and thus have their own issues.
And then during and after the pandemic due to supply issues used cars got as expensive as new ones in some cases.
By buying a cheap Chinese car you can get a new car for the price as a used European one. You get warranty and electric vehicles are really attractive now. European manufacturers have really slept on the electric car trend and when they started catching up their offerings were more in the higher end SUV segment.
CrossCityLine@reddit
People are just starting to find out that parts availability and servicing for these Temu Range Rovers is really fucking terrible.
They’re going to be worthless junk in a much shorter time than an equivalent European car would be.
OldGodsAndNew@reddit
Actual range rovers being famously reliable, of course
Long-Profile267@reddit
China is famously unable to produce products at scale 👍
Dimdom1970@reddit
Iphones ? Teslas , Volvos , Mercs , VWs , Audis etc etc . You do know a lot of legacy auto cars are made in China ?
saccerzd@reddit
Whoosh
Long-Profile267@reddit
Dumdom1970
Dimdom1970@reddit
No worse than actual Range Rovers though , my neighbours Evoque was off the road for 6 months waiting for parts .
DARIF@reddit
Range rovers are already worthless junk as soon as they leave the dealership
w00dent0p@reddit
Yup, a lot of insurers won't even quote.
BigFatSue_@reddit
Because they're new cars so there's little data on them, Not because they are Chinese
w00dent0p@reddit
Yes, sorry, didn't mean to imply otherwise. My point was on the general cost of ownership.
monkey_kaleidoscope@reddit
Mate of mine had one of those Temu land rovers, just caught fire randomly.. driving along with kids in their car.
Yeah it might look a bit like a knock off Range Rover but it certainly isn’t.
I’ll stick with known trusted brands that have been in the market place a lot longer
Ok-Explanation1990@reddit
I once saw a porsche do the same thing. It happens.
monkey_kaleidoscope@reddit
Ah I’ll miss having a Porsche too then hah
aezy01@reddit
On 15th April this year a land rover Discovery randomly caught fire on the A1. Just saying.
monkey_kaleidoscope@reddit
Oof yeah just fuck cars in general then
ResidentMix1872@reddit
Lmao saying this about Range Rovers of all cars is hilarious. They’re notorious for electronic issues. I don’t think there’s any evidence that they malfunction less than a Chinese equivalent.
monkey_kaleidoscope@reddit
I know but never heard of one catching fire randomly. I’ve had bmws and things of that ilk in the past and yeah it broke and something or other went wrong almost every week but nothing like that, in terms of keeping everyone inside the car safe and that kind of thing they were rock solid, just random mechanical things would go wrong all the time, wallet took a battering
Plus_Pangolin_8924@reddit
You do realise that most of not all Chinese brands have been on the market as long as most western brands. Just now they are pushing to the west so they know how to build cars.
davehemm@reddit
had chatgpt make me 2 lists - top 10 selling Chinese manufacturers in UK and top 10 selling car manufacturers (non-Chinese) in the UK, both with year they started making cars and years producing cars. (I made chatgpt check that Tesla was not in-fact accidentally missed out of non-Chinese manufacturer)
Brand Making cars since Age in 2026
BYD 2003 23 yrs
Chery 1999 27 yrs
Omoda 2022 4 yrs
Jaecoo 2023 3 yrs
XPeng 2018 8 yrs
NIO 2018 8 yrs
Leapmotor 2019 7 yrs
Geely 1998 28 yrs
GWM 1984 42 yrs
Ora 2018 8 yrs
Brand Making Cars Since Age in 2026
Volkswagen 1937 89 yrs
BMW 1928 98 yrs
Ford 1903 123 yrs
Kia 1974 52 yrs
Audi 1910 116 yrs
Toyota 1936 90 yrs
Nissan 1933 93 yrs
Mercedes 1926 100 yrs
Hyundai 1967 59 yrs
Vauxhall 1903 123 yrs
So whilst some marques have been around for a fair amount of time, not even the most mature Chinese manufacturer is as old as the youngest non-Chinese manufacturer.
(disclaimer that sometimes chatgpt just makes shit up)
HatOfFlavour@reddit
Ha! My Dad (mid 70s) had a car that caught fire twice on the motorway. Back in the day these were just considered quirks apparently.
HereGiovanniSmokes@reddit
We had a 88 5 Series that caught fire on an Irish motorway while my dad was driving. I was in the front and saw smoke coming off the dash and then noticed a little flame like a candle flickering in the cassette deck. That was in the early noughties.
I also saw a Freelancer 2 randomly catch fire outside my house while the owner was parking it, so the Range Rover comparisons above made me laugh. Relatively new car at the time, maybe 3 or 3 years old.
FitSolution2882@reddit
You mean like BMW?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-64471386
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a39037972/bmw-police-cars-uk/
Or JLR?
https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/jaguar-ipace-ev-fire-warning-b2950769.html#:~:text=Jaguar%20Land%20Rover%20(JLR)%20has,caused%20by%20battery%20thermal%20overload.
https://autos.yahoo.com/safety-and-recalls/articles/jaguar-land-rover-just-issued-170000557.html
I haven't got a Chinese car (I don't even own a car anymore) but stop spreading nonsense.
FitSolution2882@reddit
Have you seen how much JLR products nosedive in depreciation when they leave the forecourt?
Dam near every model of theirs is in every most unreliable car survey.
At least the Chinese stuff is priced accordingly.
Rendogog@reddit
Can't beat the mess that is an Ingenium engine :-)
Sir_Edna_Bucket@reddit
Potentially, or maybe just the teething troubles with having an immensely popular product? They're taking over part of the Nissan plant in Sunderland(?). So the UK supply chain should improve. The problem they've got at the moment is that demand is out stripping their supply base.
TheNoodlePoodle@reddit
Doesn't really matter though when you're getting it on a 3 year lease.
CrossCityLine@reddit
Does when they go boom after 6 months. Or they get bricked from the factory like what happened recently.
ukslim@reddit
That's happened to Fords.
jumpy_finale@reddit
That's normal for new entrants to a market. It takes time for parts supply and service network to be built up. No different to Grenadier and other new European manufacturers that have entered the UK market in recent years.
eimankillian@reddit
Also high spec for the price. Especially when your purchasing power is low. It’s the same thing when Kia / Toyota back in the day. They get into the market using cheap vehicles then increase them over time.
trotski94@reddit
That and it used to be that car development was paywalled between either engine development or licensing someone elses engine, but very expensive. Now you just need to bolt an off the shelf motor to a chassis.
Drax_orbit@reddit
Copied from western tech and made cheaper.
Necessary_Figure_817@reddit
China make everything, literally everything.
The reason why we see so much cheap crap from them is because there's been a demand for it.
But because they make everything, they can make high quality goods, like all our electronics which nowadays, a car is pretty much a computer on wheels.
EyeAware3519@reddit
They offer better value. Same happened with Japanese cars in the 1970s and Korean cars in the 2000s.
I am sure there are lot of conspiracy theories as to why but I think it's just that "legacy" manufacturers can't be bothered anymore.
ProtoplanetaryNebula@reddit
I follow the Chinese car market closely, Jaecoo is the name used in the UK for some of the lower end Chery cars, the Chery Tansuo 06, which goes for about £12k in China.
There are lots of incredibly good cars in China, Jaecoo is not one of them. If the Xiaomi cars come to the UK, they will sell like hot cakes.
PersevereSwifterSkat@reddit
I tried a Xiaomi last week, it's a fucking great car. No wonder it's the best selling in China right now, sexy as hell and fully featured without any paywall bullshit. There's a ton of Chinese cars waiting to flood the UK market and crush the outdated competition.
ProtoplanetaryNebula@reddit
They’ve only just started making cars, imagine after they’ve been producing cars for 5-6 years and put all that development experience into new vehicles. It would be game over for the competition.
imp0ppable@reddit
I was in China a couple of years ago and saw this coming, it's genuinely like a cambrian explosion of weird and wonderful cars. We got in a taxi in Shanghai and we asked the driver how much it cost and they said about 15k iirc (once we'd figured out the conversion). Perfectly good mid-sized EV, quiet if very plain on the inside.
The good news is that the flex is still to have a Merc, Porsche or even a VW so you see loads of them as well.
ProtoplanetaryNebula@reddit
Yeah, it's crazy how many brands there are now. I was in Beijing a few weeks ago, there are so many different models of EV for every purpose.
In fact, the German brands are having an absolutely terrible time in China now. Porsche is closing 30% of it's dealerships to cut costs and their sales have dropped 60%. Sadly, Porsche might have to withdraw completely from the Chinese market before the end of the decade.
MB isn't doing as badly, but their sales are down 30% from peak and dropping further. There are local Chinese options that are arguably better cars, at least for Chinese drivers.
PersevereSwifterSkat@reddit
They've cleverly squeezed the petrol car market by limiting license number plates for them, a lot of people can't get a petrol car even if they wanted to. And if you own a petrol car the second hand market has evaporated because there aren't enough available buyers now.
ProtoplanetaryNebula@reddit
Yes, Beijing and Shanghai have done this. Interestingly, Hainan Island will ban ICE sales from 2030. This is seen as the test bed for a nationwide ban across China. The learning will likely guide how China as a whole bans ICE. Although the CHINA7 emissions standard will likely deliver a knockout punch for most of the lower and mid range ICE cars by itself.
imp0ppable@reddit
Oh, nightmare, didn't realise that. If I had to guess it'd be that the lower end Porsches like Macans that are suffering rather than 911s or Panameras but idk really.
But yeah can't wait for Zeekr, NIO and Xpeng to appear here, they look amazing. I saw a UK video review of a Zeekr the other day but idk if it's available yet.
EyeAware3519@reddit
Cars don't have to be very good they just need to be good enough and cheap to lease for 2 years. Jaecoo appears to have nailed this.
I just want a Yangwang!
According-Bit1786@reddit
What a name
Prince_John@reddit
Haha yeah, that'll need a rebrand before it hits Western markets.
ProtoplanetaryNebula@reddit
The Yangwangs are a bit too flashy for my taste. A NIO or a Xiaomi would be more to my taste. Both incredibly well engineered products.
feckarse-drinkgirls@reddit
Xiaomi's folding door handles were so bad that the CCP legislated them out of existence
ProtoplanetaryNebula@reddit
Xiaomi's door handles had the issue, but the problem was flush electronic door handles with no mechanical back up. To be fair, the exact same issue would have happened if it were a Tesla Model 3 / Y a BMW iX, iX3, i7 or a dozen other cars. It just so happened that the driving was driving a Xiaomi.
In fact, Tesla are the ones that popularised this style of handle and they are also having to re-design their own door handles to comply with this new requirement.
PoluxCGH@reddit
yeah i am just waiting to put in my order for a Xiaomi Vision GT as soon as it comes to the UK
Wgh555@reddit
They’re complacent, same as they were in the 1970s
Brizzledude65@reddit
Just like the British motorcycle industry which got wiped out by the Japanese in the 70s.
EyeAware3519@reddit
Chinese motorbikes are entering the market now too.
LemmysCodPiece@reddit
Yes and they are complete shit. I have had the displeasure of working on a Sym scooter and various Lexmotos. Parts are a nightmare and they are mostly made of cheese. They are half the price of the equivalent Honda or Yamaha for a reason and it isn't a good one.
FlatHoperator@reddit
The kids buying lexmotos aren't exactly in a position going to buy something much better though, and the more people getting on two wheels the better for the moto industry imo. It's become far too dependent on rich guys buying a multistrada or GS to ride tarmac
LemmysCodPiece@reddit
My Daughter's BF bought a Lexmoto. We bought her a cheap Honda Scooter on market place. We gave the Honda a service and put a new battery on it. That Honda just went forever. The Lexmoto was forever going wrong.
Brizzledude65@reddit
That supports my perception of Japanese and Chinese vehicles. I have two cars and three motorbikes- they’re all Japanese. There’s a reason for that.
SlaBLister@reddit
Reddit is in its pro Lee Wang phase, you can't say that. Everything they make is top quality /s
phatboi23@reddit
they have for a good while.
Beena22@reddit
and they are good! CFMoto is doing incredibly well.
EyeAware3519@reddit
Yeah, I should have said they already dominate the sub 125cc market. Voge are apparently good too, I have a BMW bike and it has more Voge than it is BMW, should have saved 3k and just bought the Chinese bike.
Beena22@reddit
Yep, both of those are particularly strong in the midrange ADV segment as well.
BigDumbGreenMong@reddit
Following exactly the same pattern. First they were cheap shitty copies that everybody laughed at, then they started to improve, and now people are taking them seriously.
Siggi_Starduust@reddit
They’re even muscling in on the high-end cycling market (which given the country’s history with bicycles, is probably a long time coming)
Besmirching_Badger@reddit
I don't think people get how competitive and cutthroat the chinese car industry is. Arguably it's too competitive to the point where it's just going to bankrupt most of the companies. Similar happened with solar panels a decade ago.
Wgh555@reddit
Yeah for sure, what’ll happen is it will end up consolidating around a number of larger companies like in Europe
Ok_Advantage_8153@reddit
No. Chinese vehicles are massively subsidised by their govt. Flood the market, put the legacy car makers out of business. Then charge what you want when they are gone.
The Chinese are playing the long game.
Aggressive_Chuck@reddit
Everyone subsidises their industry one way or another
EyeAware3519@reddit
These are the conspiracy theories I was referring to. When the EU do it it's "supporting business" when the Chinese do it it's "subsidising"
Ok_Advantage_8153@reddit
Theres no conspiracy. The scale and array of tools the Chinese government are using takes it far beyond the casual protectionism of many other countries.
What the Chinese are doing in certain sectors (EV's as an example) is targeted and strategic and well documented.
If you want to dismiss it as a conspiracy - well, you won't be the first person on the internet to dismiss ample facts that are contrary to your beliefs.
EyeAware3519@reddit
Well yeah fair enough I just don't see a government supporting their own interests and that of their people a bad thing. I am no expert on politics and know very little about China, I am sure it's not all sunshine and rainbows but the pace in which their economy has exploded in the last 30 years has to be admired. It makes you wonder what the EU and the UK could have been.
Ok_Advantage_8153@reddit
Indeed, it could have been a utopia like China where children assemble phones for pennies an hour with few rights or safety protections.
A place where their worker hostels have suicide nets to prevent the despairing workers from flinging themselves to their deaths.
Now I'd be the first to agree that the UK has too much red tape but there's a happy medium and China has a great productivity outcome, but it comes at a cost.
BoydHoyland@reddit
Yeah, kia was a laughing stock at first. Now seen as a decent quality option
MassivBereavement@reddit
Its not as simple as the legacy manufacturers becoming complacent or cant be bothered. Though I am sure complacency is an issue and they certainly assumed the market was captured and saturated. They are in a space where they cannot competitively challenge the surge of Chinese cars because the Chinese government are heavily subsidising the export to capture the market. Western manufacturers can do everything in their financial power (cut corners, cut profit, cut staff) to try and compete with the pricing but it wont work because they are competing with an industry that has both a cheaper labour force and the government underwriting manufacturing losses. Without intervention it will lead to the collapse of Western car industry, meanwhile China will dominate the market and increase trade imbalance even more heavily in their favour. Its a clever strategy from them, EU and UK markets have the option of a) regulating it, forcing greener cars to be more expensive or b) leaving it to happen and risk losing their own industry
Jimmy_Tightlips@reddit
The difference is that Japanese cars were good.
MissionLet7301@reddit
Yeah, and in automotive history I'd say the UK public is a little bit unique in not really caring where their car comes from.
For a German they feel pride driving a German car, for an Italian there is pride in driving an Italian car. For the British nobody really gives a shit.
EyeAware3519@reddit
We used to have pride in driving a British car, until British cars became terrible.
Theratchetnclank@reddit
Japanese cars are still better value.
EyeAware3519@reddit
Japanese manufacturers are digging their heels in over electrification, still a better option if you want a hybrid though.
streetmagix@reddit
The legacy carmakers (especially in Europe and Japan) were incredibly slow to develop EVs and seem allergic to R&D.
Ford, GM and the Chinese car makers invested earlier and have better products as a result. They aren't playing catch up.
JavaRuby2000@reddit
I work for a couple of those manufacturers and saying they are slow to market is an understatement. Its a 10 year project to bring a new model to the production line and a lot of the time those schedules are set in stone with no deviation.
towelracks@reddit
Ford and GM make cars?
streetmagix@reddit
No? Look at the Ford UK website, filter by EV, and see their range.
The US site has even more EV options, including all their different trucks and work vehicles.
towelracks@reddit
They're based on VW and Renault platforms though? I'd argue that both of those manufacturers are better examples of legacy auto pivoting successfully to EV.
AndyTheSane@reddit
Yes, I suspect that the last decade has seen a lot of arguments between younger engineers seeing the improvements in battery tech and the obvious conclusion from that.. and older managers who are still in the 'EVs are glorified milk floats' mindset.
BigFatSue_@reddit
Even when presented with all of the evidence, there are still people digging in their feet and saying that EVs are shite and the batteries will be dead in a few years. Some people have made it a personality trait to hate EVs.
Muted-Marionberry328@reddit
The issue with the legacy car makers is that their workforce comprises mostly of mechanical engineers, when EVs relies more on electrical/electronic engineering and chemical engineering.
The old dogs literally have to learn new tricks when the Chinese started on this technology decades ago.
Aggressive_Chuck@reddit
Other than the engine, EVs are still mechanical.
towelracks@reddit
You used Ford and GM as examples of legacy car makes manufacturing a decent EV? Laughable.
horny-tory-mp@reddit
GM is non existent in the UK (and Europe) though
streetmagix@reddit
Yes, but it's a good example of a legacy car maker throwing their weight behind EVs. Trying to keep the R&D in house along with as much of the supply line as possible.
Dechibrator@reddit
I remember getting in a Japanese car in the 80s and discovering AC and backseats electric windows
the_Leading_Can@reddit
Pricing.
ukslim@reddit
Yes, the perception that "made in China" means low quality is changing.
Let's not forget that iPhones and lots of other prestige products are made in China.
It's a repeating pattern - in the 80s "made in Japan" was badly perceived by the public, whether it was cars, bikes or electronics. But over time, good quality Japanese products emerged, and that perception changed. Now Yamaha bikes, Nissan cars, Sony electronics are well considered.
Then it was Korea. I remember a colleague being mercilessly teased for driving a Kia Pride, but now Kia and Hyundai are mainstream brands.
Now it's happening with Chinese brands. People are looking at Chinese cars, realising the quality is good enough for what they want, and seeing that the price is way below what they'd pay for that quality from manufacturers in other countries.
I drive an MG4. I couldn't afford the equivalent, for example, Ford.
Fondant_Decent@reddit (OP)
Massively changing, quality of Chinese made goods is astonishing now
phatboi23@reddit
has been for ages, just gotta not pay the cheapest of the cheap and you're good.
According-Bit1786@reddit
It always was, it's also that the ability to "direct from China" has increased massively too.
Fun part of it though is if you send a product over there to be made, like plastic injection moulded. You will find a few weeks later your exact same design available freely on aliexpress...
ATSOAS87@reddit
By the 80s, perception of "Made in Japan" had changed.
There was a joke in the first Back to the Future about it. Doc made a comment it obviously being bad because it was from Japan, and Marty said all the cool things were from Japan.
Obviously, not a historical record, but the first film had a lot of references showing how much the world had changed from the 50s to the 80s.
shokalion@reddit
Gonna be that guy slightly, the line was from the start of the third film, from 1990.
ATSOAS87@reddit
You're not being "that guy". I appreciate the correction.
SlaBLister@reddit
They aren't good though. they're the complete opposite of good. A second hand hot wheels car would be more reliable than trash from there.
HeartwarminSalt@reddit
Don’t forget “Made in Taiwan” and “Made in Hong Kong”…
Ok_Analyst_5640@reddit
My dad used to say that growing up, 'was probably made in taiwan!' was his way of saying 'it's cheap crap', usually when said item had broken.
indianajoes@reddit
Wasn't the made in Japan stuff over by the 80s? I was born in the 90s but I'm just thinking of the line in BTTF where 50s Doc says no wonder it's faulty, it says made in Japan and Marty from the 80s says that all the best stuff is made in Japan
ukslim@reddit
Well Back to the Future is 1985, so what you see there is the change in perception happening.
shokalion@reddit
The line is uttered by the 1950s version of Doc Brown though, and he's corrected by 1985 Marty.
needs2shave@reddit
I had a friend in college in the 2010s that drove a green Kia Pride. One of the wheels came off as he went around a roundabout. Thanks for reminding of that memory.
Plus_Pangolin_8924@reddit
Hi fellow MG4 driver!
KT180x@reddit
MG3 over here, just bought a few weeks ago. Very happy with it!!
Mastodan11@reddit
Running shoes are undergoing this change as well - there are a lot of Chinese runners now because of their huge population, and they already have the factories. I bought my first pair 9 months ago and they were great, now more are getting in on it as the logistics get understood.
Sir_Edna_Bucket@reddit
If you open the bonnet of a Jaecoo you'll be greeted with lots of Bosch components.
dvb70@reddit
As others have said it's about price. You are getting a lot for your money.
I also think "Made in China" being seen as negative is a few decades out of date now. The Iphone's been made in China for a very long time and is considered a quality product by many. China do still make some low quality cheap stuff but if you look at the breadth of what's made in China its clear they make a lot of products that people think of as high quality.
phatboi23@reddit
yup, if i want prototype circuit boards i can have a company in china do me a small run of a design and get it in a week or two.
and it's be cheaper and better quality than in the UK.
Willz_of_Rivia@reddit
The difference is Toyota's and Honda's were good quality even at the start
CanWeNapPlease@reddit
Toyota's and Honda's what were good quality? Don't leave us hanging!
Willz_of_Rivia@reddit
Yeah, autocorrect doesn't understand grammar and I'm too lazy to correct it
nobraC660@reddit
And to assist, Bikes, their Motorcycles literally wiped the British manufacturers out. "What do you mean your bike doesn't leave a puddle of oil everywhere it goes"
MassiveKnuckles@reddit
The very first Toyotas and Hondas weren't good quality. They were cheap, a bit crap, and sold to the domestic Japanese market. They then figured out quickly how to get good at scale and sell to Europe and the US.
Honda went from making tiny cars with chain driven rear wheels or two cylinder engines in the 60s which no one outside Japan wanted, to making the Civic in the mid 70s which took over the world.
That's exactly what the Chinese have done.
They learned domestically before exporting. Their cars have got good, fast, at scale, and are getting better.
In ten years they'll be EVERYWHERE.
This is the same conversation that people would have had about Japanese cars in the 70s. Made in Japan used to be synonymous with cheap rubbish too. Until it wasn't.
I'm no particular fan of odd looking Jaecoos or BYDs. I don't want one. But in ten years, that might change.
dvb70@reddit
They were not when it came to rust. I would agree mechanically if you compare them to contemporaries they were pretty good but they rusted out really badly. Look at how rare 1970's Japanese cars are in the UK. Of course lots of cars from the period rusted badly but Japanese cars definitely had a bad reputation for being worst than most.
Willz_of_Rivia@reddit
The Chinese tat EVs aren't gonna be around long enough for rust to become an issue.
dvb70@reddit
I am sure that's what a lot of British car produces thought as well about Japanese cars.
Chinese cars might not be quite up to scratch yet but look at how far they have come in such a short time. I would not be betting against them.
Willz_of_Rivia@reddit
Even if the quality was good I think I'd still hard pass because I'm not convinced they aren't spying on us.
bez_lightyear@reddit
I'm sure Chairman Mao is fascinated by my trips to Morrisons and enjoys my out of tune singing. He'll certainly learn plenty of English swearwords.
Barry_Burton_1974@reddit
And this just gives away your entire opinion. You are of the CHINA BAD variety of Redditor. They could cure cancer and end works hunger tomorrow and your first words would be the immortal BUT AT WHAT COST?!?!? SAVE ME AMEWICAAAAAA
AlucardVTep3s@reddit
You were making somewhat good points until you started spouting nonsense.
Our government, amongst many others have enough data on us to make an AI model😂I don’t think Chinese EV’s are the issue here.
dvb70@reddit
I don't think most people care about being spied on these days. Look at how much of peoples lives they are happy to trust to big tech firms with. I can't see China spying on them via their cars making much of a ripple for the public at large.
Affectionate_You7621@reddit
Chinese riddle. Can something rust when it is on fire?
Siggi_Starduust@reddit
Look up Pyrophoric Scale. It’s literally rust that spontaneously combusts when exposed to air. It occurs in a lot of oil industry equipment and understandably causes a lot of twitchy arseholes during maintenance work in oil refineries, terminals and the like.
Advanced_Couple_3488@reddit
They are the same chemical process, just happen at a different speed. But are you hinting at the myth that EVs are a fire hazard? That's been fully laid to rest: 6 fires per million hours with EVs compared to around 2,400 for ICEs. (Study done by University of Western Sydney)
FitSolution2882@reddit
You do realise how notorious Land Rovers are for rust, right?
JavaRuby2000@reddit
They still aren't when it comes to rust. You'll see on US car forums talking about Toyotas lasting a lifetime but, here in the UK they simply dissolve away. Theres a reason you don't see many 10 year old Corollas on UK roads even today. Mazda are even worse, I took my brand new MX5 RF to be underbody treated a week after I got it new from the dealers and it already had corrosion to the shock towers.
Beartato4772@reddit
Yeah, OP is smoking something there.
Muted-Marionberry328@reddit
It's worth pointing out that when Japanese cars entered the market, they were cheap and they were also seen as unreliable.
A few decades later and they've solidified their reputation as reliable.
danddersson@reddit
Companies already in the European certainly encouraged the idea that the Japanese ones were unreliable, whatever the facts.
FitSolution2882@reddit
Honda has (and still has) had their fair share of quality issues.
Several of their recent Motorcycle models are suffering from failing piston rings ffs. They're literally using more oil than previous two strokes I've owned....
Many are also suffering from serious rust/paint flaking issues.
bertiebasit@reddit
Made in China is a positive these days
Relative-Chain73@reddit
Also if you're buying in the UK, cars need to meet certain standards before being sold in market. Right?
Cold_Raspberry520@reddit
They are very poorly made unfortunately.
Agitated-Drive7695@reddit
I have a 26 year old Honda Civic. Starts every time, zero problems. Japanese build quality is something else.
dvb70@reddit
If you go back to the 70's though Japanese cars had a really poor reputation. Actually they were always pretty good mechanically but back then they used to rust to pieces very quickly. All cars of that period tended to rust badly but Japanese cars were known for being particularly bad. It's why 70's Japanese cars are rare in countries with climates like the UK.
Agitated-Drive7695@reddit
Yep, Datsuns rusted through pretty quick!
dvb70@reddit
That's why they dropped the Datsun name for Nissan in the UK I believe. The reputation was so bad they had to change the name.
Siggi_Starduust@reddit
Not entirely, it was a global decision to drop the name. Datsuns were sold in the US and Australia as well and were originally a brand used purely for export cars because their parent company’s name had a bad reputation.
Nissan were heavily involved in making equipment for the Japanese forces in WW2, so
Once 40 years or so had passed they presumably felt it unnecessary to continue with running a seperate marque and ditched it altogether.
dvb70@reddit
Sounds correct. I am just repeating what I have heard but often such things are not completely true. It certainly was pretty handy I imagine in the UK losing the Datsun name as they had a terrible reputation.
Beartato4772@reddit
So 26 years too new to be relevant for this disussion.
gambiting@reddit
*Used* to be something else. Nowadays Toyotas and Hondas are nothing special anymore when it comes to reliablity.
dvb70@reddit
I think that's more about everyone upping their game. Most cars no matter where they are from are reliable now.
Beabettame@reddit
Yeah, Nissans are what they used to be either and the issue is they are running on good reps from the past but a lot of companies do that.
Yankee9Niner@reddit
I mean after 26 years it'll be like Triggers brush
Xelanders@reddit
Turns out when you become the world’s leading manufacturing hub, you become pretty damn good at manufacturing.
guzusan@reddit
The stigma around Made in China disappearing yes, but I think the stigma around buying directly from China is newly disappearing: See aliexpress, temu, shein etc. I'm surprised we've gone from buying bits of tat to buying full SUVs so quickly and without a second thought though.
Feeling_Zucchini_886@reddit
I don’t want a Chinese car because I don’t want to support China. Does anyone else feel this way ?
OkSun8521@reddit
No. I bought a Chinese car because it was better than all of the alternatives.
Feeling_Zucchini_886@reddit
And that didn’t bother you ?
OkSun8521@reddit
You're asking if it bothered me that I chose a car that was better than all of the alternatives?
ShineAtom@reddit
While they are cheap, apprently a number of insurance companies are refusing to insure them or else the insurance is very high. It seems they don't have enough data on the cars or at least on their brands to know whether they are long lasting or not.
mahler_1@reddit
Hi spec. value for money
Limp_Mix5958@reddit
I hear the word cheap, but the reality is most car brands have become unaffordable to the majority of people, without any guarantee of high quality.
pb-86@reddit
My wife's colleague has been looking at a Omoda E5 EV, which for less than £300 a month comes with a heat pump (something a £75k VW ID Buzz doesnt include as standard), a 360 camera, a powered sunroof, heated steering wheel and 19" alloys.
My first thoughts were that it's an absolute steal, but in reality it's only a steal compared to what other manufacturers charge. It's probably a fair price. In comparison I have a 2024 Kia Xceed GT, which doesn't have half the spec this Omoda does, but still costs me over £100 a month more (without even factoring in running costs)
Ultrasonic-Sawyer@reddit
Thats the rub.
In the past we tended to buy cars based on reliability, power, features, etc.
Its obvious china is pushing hard to undercut Europe for market dominance and honestly its a hard case to argue against when the market is seeing competitive cars at a fraction of the price.
Like it puts a direct value on brand loyalty and pedigree, which I don't think many of us care about as its just a car to get from a to b.
UpsetKoalaBear@reddit
People want value for money, and these cars offer them.
Until BMW can explain why customers need to pay £1250 to unlock for something that’s already fitted to the car, this is going to continue to happen.
It hurts people at the bottom of the income ladder even more because when they buy used cars in 10 or so years, and find out the services are unavailable, they are going to be screwed.
BMW cars from 2013-2015 had their connecteddrive features disabled because of the sunsetting of the 3G network. As a result you need to pay £1000 or more for a retrofit of the new service from BMW.
No doubt we will see the same issue occur in other brands and in these newer cars. I just used BMW as an example because it is the most egregious attempt at moving to a “Cars as a service” model but Mercedes are trying to go this path just as well.
Cars shouldn’t be perpetual revenue streams.
They’re quite crucial purchases for a lot of people. Locking out features so they can squeeze more money is going to harm people who need a car to even get anywhere.
SteveGoral@reddit
My 2017 Nissan Leaf has just been given the same treatment and it's a proper chod piece move as its absolutely killed any hope of a decent price when I come to trade it in.
They're making cars obsolete at less than 10 years old just to save a few quid.
UpsetKoalaBear@reddit
It’s to make leasing an attractive option.
They can effectively control the depreciation of a car model by artificially removing features compared to a shiny new model you can give back after 3-4 years and not have to deal with it.
Desertinferno@reddit
Please don't give developers any ideas.....
Public-Temperature-1@reddit
Unlock your bathroom for one small monthly payment of.....
Logical_Strain_6165@reddit
Our 2017 Leaf was a bargain. I don't miss it as we never had it. There are third party solutions, but decided we couldn't be bothered for a cheap commuter car.
SteveGoral@reddit
Yeah I can imagine they're going for next to nothing at the moment. It's so annoying though when you get used to the connected features and they get removed. Although I'm aware it's a massive first world problem.
Logical_Strain_6165@reddit
This is what I started looking. If I was the main driver I probably would as I love tech, but can understand your fustration.
https://www.openvehicles.com/
AlucardVTep3s@reddit
I was a diehard BMW fan until I started the trade plates: Picked up an i4 Gran Coupe and there were 2 buttons on the wheel. One for auto high beams and the other for adaptive cruise. Both buttons shortcut you to the BMW store in the infotainment.
2 physical buttons on the steering wheel are useless unless you pull out your wallet…shocking.
kylehyde84@reddit
Our lasses 40k golf tcr has something similar for voice command. Mental
AlucardVTep3s@reddit
Funnily enough I picked up a Touran once too (the 7 seater, forget the actual model name) and was confused as to why Apple Carplay wasn’t turning on. Downloaded the VW and everything for a car that I was only doing a 3hr drive in. 30mins later and I eventually get to the VW optional extra store where I could purchase Carplay for about £150😂
Then got an email couple days later that Hereford’s VW has removed the app/my VW account from the car I dropped off.
According-Bit1786@reddit
One thing I always point out, this is nothing new. Those blank spaces that dashboards used to have, just required someone to put in a plastic button, now we're doing it all in software. They were always dragging around the actual in-car equipment.
The computers themselves, that are required to "activate" the features, are like £50k on their own!
kylehyde84@reddit
Back in the day my base model cavalier had all the wiring for heated seats, just missing the switches and the seats from a higher model. 50 quid for the seats and switches from the scrappy and a couple of hours to fit
SkarbOna@reddit
So they got high on their own farts thinking the brand will carry them through and people will pay more for „status” and take more abuse like locking up features? Hilarious.
skatemoose@reddit
Its says "log in to see your personalised price" so could be more than that as well.
rs990@reddit
I imagine you are going to see this more frequently with the £40/50k luxury taxes.
The actual components probably cost the manufacturer pennies, but if the options bump up the list price of the car it makes it significantly less attractive if it has a huge tax hit.
Moppo_@reddit
So it's not always that they're cheap, but leading brands became so confident in their customers that they continued to raise the prices, making a fairer price seem cheap?
Sounds about right.
Relevant_Natural3471@reddit
(whilst subcontracing production to those very same manufacturers)
Limp_Mix5958@reddit
This is it. These days all European OEMs and Tier 1 suppliers have factories in China.
Relevant_Natural3471@reddit
VW are like "Don't buy those cheap Chinese cars - you should buy OUR not cheap but chinese cars.
After all, it's not like you can't trust us, or that there's been any major reason to suspect that we might be taking you all for a big fat bunch of gullible consumers"
Secure-Presence-8341@reddit
Jaecoo. The Dryrobe of cars.
underwater-sunlight@reddit
I didnt know dryrobe was even a thing, let alone hated by so many until I read it somewhere on here. I live 20m fro. The coast and do a lot of work along the Norfolk coastline so just see a lot of them now
The BYD and Jaecoo cars I have seen on the road don't too bad so they are not unappealing on that front. For a new car, yoy are hoping the warranty and the fact it is new will protect you from needing to worry about repairs, especially on a lease when you can trade every 3 years and like most things, if you come into the market and do well, you are in a position to improve and grow
BigFatSue_@reddit
Dry robes are pretty much like Crocs, everyone thinks their shite until you actually used one and then you realise they are fucking fantastic
bacon_cake@reddit
And at least some people realise it's just a coat.
According-Bit1786@reddit
Dryrobe is fine for the people that actually use it properly, but people wear it like a jacket to go down to Tesco. 50 miles inland
willywam@reddit
Would someone mind explaining this one to me
Ok_Analyst_5640@reddit
I think they're calling them tasteless? The sort of folk that would have had all grey decor and live, laugh live signs a few years ago? Is that still a thing?
Grommmit@reddit
Nah, live laugh love are 100% poverty spec German.
FreudianWombat@reddit
Bovis are building new little chocolate houses right near me that fit the description perfectly. Grey af. Turns out, miserable af!
FreudianWombat@reddit
Not sure… the Dryrobe went from being an insulating warm robe for grommets (kid surfers) to put on without them having to take their wettie off, to a national phenomenon beloved of dog walkers. It’s a functional item that wasn’t intended to be flattering or trendy but now can be seen regularly in your local supermarket more often than down the beach. Big up Dryrobe, great local success story and a surfing company that has made a couple of quid.
Thing is, whereas Jaecoo are perhaps (?) a cheap version of a Range Rover, Dryrobe are top dollar.
I’d land on the fact that the commenter thinks they’re boxy, unflattering and have spread everywhere.
Oh and both are made in China.
lost-on-autobahn@reddit
The Temu Range Rover
Ferrisuk@reddit
Jaecoo, are owner by Chery. Chery are 50% owners of Jaguar Land Rover. So they are cousins.
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
Chery own 50% of the business that is responsible for assembling Chinese market JLR products. Very, very different to Chery owning 50% of JLR (who are owned by Tata). Jaecoo and Land Rover are not cousins in the slightest.
turnipstealer@reddit
I'd argue they're cousins, but not siblings.
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
In a world where cars can share any combination of badges, platforms, parts, designers and engineers, ranging from mere rebadging to sharing a couple of obscure parts, calling two set of cars that have absolutely nothing at all in common cousins seems extremely silly.
bbgun24@reddit
Chef’s kiss!
Fwoggie2@reddit
Fucks sake, I spat my drink all over my laptop laughing at that comment
Jizzmeista@reddit
People stopped feeling brand loyalty when car manufacturers started to move towards cars as a subscription service.
"You will own nothing and be happy" is not something 99 percent of people have asked for.
CrustyHumdinger@reddit
Because people are obsessed with w@nk panzers with 300 mile range, despite never, ever driving 300 miles in one go
MaxRaven@reddit
Electric
better quality interior, i.e. real leather vs fake at the similar price point.
more features unlike Tesla stripping everything
Cheap
Dapper-Swim-9886@reddit
Kinda like how back in the 70’s and 80’s Japanese cars took over the motor industry. Same kind of stigma back then too.
Duanedoberman@reddit
Datsun had such a bad reputation for rusting that they had to rebrand the whole company to Nissan.
Revolutionary-Ad2355@reddit
Cheap and nasty
Duanedoberman@reddit
Obviously you have never been in one. They come with lots of extras like fridges and massage chairs as standard whilst the likes of Tesla and BMW charge you to unlock extras which are then relocked when you sell the car!
HiphopMeNow@reddit
I am traveling the world and have been focusing on asia last year+, and "cheap", and other crap you see here in the comments is just western propaganda fed to you. yes, same shit you grew up on memeing, how in china or whatever other country they were being brainwashed, well it's the same happening here, with you.
Adoption of chinese cars in Asia is extreme, and there are no issues with quality, or getting parts.
Acrobatic-Watch-8037@reddit
Western auto manufacturers got bailed out in the 2008 financial crisis, at which point they realised that they have de facto monopolies (duopolies/tri-opolies/etc.) and don't actually have to even produce anything to succeed. As such their focus changed from vehicle production, to lobbying governments against imports of vehicles from overseas to prevent competition. Then they stopped innovating in any way shape or form and just excreted the same products every year with slightly refreshed visuals, while continually jacking up prices.
In contrast, China is not controlled by capital but by a technocratic regime that wants to make the best products in the world and sees capital as a means to that end, not the end. So the Chinese auto manufacturers have been doing all the innovating the West hasn't, both in design and production, and as a result they're pumping out vehicles that are both really fucking good and also cheap to make. And not only do they offer them to their own people, but export them en masse.
Fast forward to 2026 and people literally can no longer afford the overpriced rubbish that the Western auto manufacturers are shitting out, so they are forced to switch to Chinese vehicles out of necessity. This is despite every attempt made by the Western manufacturers to prevent this from happening because it turns out that yes, the market will decide - and it has decided that building crappy, expensive internal combustion engine vehicles is a dead end.
Direct-Release1512@reddit
Cheap price and big looking cars...we just don't know about the quality or the the cost of repair... 🤔🤔
YGhostRider666@reddit
PIP cars.
1 in 5 cars in the uk are on pip BTW
BuncleCar@reddit
Reminds me of the early 70s when Japanese cars and motor bikes pretty well destroyed the UK car/bike industry by being easy to service, reliable and came with rust proofing and plenty of extras.
j_the_inpaler@reddit
Very cheap, especially when people only drive a couple of miles a day. But there is a reason they are so cheap they spend money on the important parts like looks comfort rather than longevity or science behind it. BYD are part owned by the Chinese government and remember the MOD have rules nobody should use the handsfree in any electric cars for security reasons as the believe everything said on a device connected to the car is sent via China !
agingbiker@reddit
seen the price of a normal car from european manufacturers lately? the average misery inducing soulless tin box from the usual suspects is bewildering...
weinilourson@reddit
Have you been in one? Then you assess how much you would pay compare with the competition in the market. Then you get your answer.
Giant_Gaystacks@reddit
For anyone else that doesn't want to register to read the article, here it it:
Every decade has its defining cars, models including the 'E30' BMW 3 Series in the 1980s; the Subaru Impreza WRX in the 1990s; the BMW Mini in the 2000s; and the Tesla Model S in the 2010s.
The current decade? We'll leave history to decide that, but the Jaecoo 7 could certainly number among the models most associated with the period.
From a standing start in March 2025 to the end of the year, just over 26,000 Jaecoo 7s were sold. More than half were bought by private buyers, making the model the fourth-most-popular retail car, as distinct from fleet car, and helping to propel the brand to a market share of 1.4%. To put that into perspective, Seat's market share was 1.14% and Suzuki's 0.9%.
Selling the Chinese newcomer and Range Rover Evoque-cum-Velar lookalike must surely have been like shelling peas.
Every car salesperson dreams of such a product. In my day, when I was selling Mitsubishis in the 1980s, the Colt 1500 automatic with power steering and Shogun LWB 2.3 and 2.5TD were our 'pea shellers'.
To understand what it was like selling the Jaecoo 7 in those heady months of 2025, I've come to Auto West London, an Omoda-Jaecoo dealership off the busy Hogarth Roundabout in Chiswick.
Was it really just a case of asking customers to form an orderly queue and someone would take their order? "I love that phrase, 'like shelling peas', but it took and continues to take a lot more effort than that," says Sadek Hossain, retail marketing specialist at Omoda-Jaecoo.
"No one's ever going to come into a showroom and say: 'I'll have that one.' So a lot of credit is due our retail network. There's no complacency. This year we face higher targets and even greater effort."
Coincidentally, Auto West London mirrors Omoda-Jaecoo's rapid rise in the UK. Four years ago, the building it occupies was home to a Tesla showroom before the American company vacated it. There it sat beside one of London's busiest roundabouts, unused and unloved until Cetas Automotive, the Turkish dealer group that owns Auto West, acquired it last year. From then, it was all hands on deck as, over a period of 10 weeks, contractors and staff made the place ready for business.
"March 2025 was our first month of trading," says Steve Young, managing director of Auto West. "It took an incredible effort by everyone to get to that point. Prior to our arrival, the building had been repeatedly raided by thieves, who stripped it of everything. There was nothing. I remember having meetings here on garden chairs, with laptops on our knees."
Young, a veteran of the motor industry – he started as a student engineer before moving to purchasing, manufacturing, distribution and ultimately to retail – describes his first year with what he calls 'OJ' (Omoda-Jaecoo) as one of his best and most fun. "It was fun because if you have a commercial mind, it's fun to build a business, to work with a well-funded investor, a motivated team and enthusiastic customers."
He recalls, early on, asking one of his sales staff how many cars he thought they would sell in their first year. "I thought we'd have to sell some real volume to cover our costs so assumed 350. My colleague guessed 250. We actually did 500 from the end of March to December, split 60/40 Jaecoo/Omoda and with the Jaecoo 7 PHEV accounting for 30% of our sales," says Young.
While I don't doubt Hossain's claim that Omoda-Jaecoo's success was down to hard work, there must also have been some darned good deals on the table. People don't just walk into a showroom and buy without encouragement.
"In that first year, it was left to the good business sense of the dealers to operate well and get the cars out of the door," concedes Young. "There were strong incentives and margins were on the generous side. All the dealers took advantage of this to get the volumes up."
Then there was Jaecoo's 'more car for your money' argument. Most of Young's sales team come from premium brands where, before they joined him, they'd had to tell customers the monthly PCP payment on their next car was now a couple of hundred pounds more than they had been paying. Most customers weren't impressed.
"People have seen the inflation in car prices and many are saying: 'I'm not sure about this. I can afford it but do I have to pay this much for a quality car?" explains Young. "They came to us and found they could get the same quality and even more features for what they were currently paying. Maybe not the same thing from a handling perspective but how many people care about that in their ordinary, day-to-day driving?"
How true that last statement turns out to be will lie in the number of first owners who return for their second Jaecoo or Omoda. By that time, there should be a decent supply of used Omodas and Jaecoos too and, as anyone in the trade will tell you, if you don't have a flourishing market for your used cars, you soon won't have one for your new cars...
Meanwhile, as Omoda-Jaecoo embarks on its second year, Young expects its discounts and processes to be tightened: "Already, things have become a lot more sophisticated. Mystery shopping is a good example. We are now regularly mystery-shopped on various aspects of the business. We're targeted to sell 1200 cars this year too."
VOODOO285@reddit
Cheap and excellent quality at this point. BYD are a prime example. The story of their ability to produce cars is astonishing. They make EVERY single bit of it in house so have very tight control. Afaik you just don’t see the same quality control issues as you do on Tesla’s and they don’t charge super premium for a BMW or whatever badge.
You’d be mad to not buy one at this point.
Willz_of_Rivia@reddit
I'll happily be labelled mad then. They are crap.
ResidentMix1872@reddit
Based on what? I’ve had 2 of them for years and haven’t had a single issue. The interior is 10x better looking and more comfortable than the equivalent Tesla and there’s no data to suggest they’re any less reliable than any other cars. I haven’t seen many people anecdotally complain about them even online. The BYD forums don’t seem flooded with issues at all.
VecchioDiM3rd1955@reddit
Urbans buses are another story. In the picture below, a BYD bus that rear ended another bus. There are investigations ongoing, but the moost probable cause it's a brake failure.
https://www.gedistatic.it/content/gnn/img/lastampa/2026/05/07/121703246-7397fae1-faa7-48ae-8adf-2017a227f609.jpg?webp
superioso@reddit
Brakes fail on normal buses too.
SlaBLister@reddit
How much did winnie the pooh pay you to make that comment?
superioso@reddit
Meanwhile, look how well Ford's best selling vehicle is doing
SlaBLister@reddit
Meanwhile, this sums up what the quality of Sino products are. Ford has a good track record generally. It isn't amazing , but it's okay. I'd purchase a yank vehicle of the sort you're advocating for any day
superioso@reddit
Ever heard of the ford pinto scandal decades ago? It's a classic ethics issue that gets taught to engineers, ford decided it was cheaper to pay out for people deaths due to a known issue of cars bursting into flames after minor crashes than it was to recall their millions of cars to fix the issue.
SlaBLister@reddit
Bro takes one issue, exaggerates it and used that as the default for the entire American car industry lmaoo
Willz_of_Rivia@reddit
Being equatable or better than Tesla isn't the flex you think it is. They are crap too.
ResidentMix1872@reddit
Ok? If you had made an actual argument I wouldn’t have assumed what you were comparing it to.
Ultimate_os@reddit
They are horrendous. 😅 they’re cheap for a reason. And not even that cheap.
SlaBLister@reddit
Exactly. The CCP bots seem to be in full swing in this sub today.
pineapplewin@reddit
Had one as a loaner for a couple days and HATED it. Don't like screens only, couldn't adjust the steering wheel enough to actually view the whole of one of the screens. No pickup, so big, the lane correction was not designed for British roads..... Awful experience. But that was just one car. Haven't tried any other of the new brands or models. They might be better.
Fwoggie2@reddit
I’m side eyeing my Kia shortage and definitely looking hard at a BYD Seal U.
Extreme_Objective984@reddit
But what are they like to drive? They can have all the gadgets and wotsits in the world, but really how good are they are holding speed through a corner and how agile are they? Are they any fun to drive? Because utility is only one metric that defines good. At least for me.
eves21@reddit
Are there any that are fun to drive with all the safety tech? Serious q, trying to find one atm.
paperclipknight@reddit
Cheap for the spec you get because the PRC is subsidising them & builds them with de-facto slave labour
Government actively getting people to buy electric cars (despite the market not wanting them) forces businesses to buy them as company cars.
All part of the PRC’s plan to become global hegemon. & we’ve fallen hook line & sinker for it
eves21@reddit
We’ve really dropped the ball the last decade or two
Stoned_urf@reddit
I had the opportunity to get a new car through the salary sacrifice scheme.
Initially wanted to get a BMW, but literally anything you add on top of the base car costs extra money.
Electric seats with memory heating? Money.
You want cruise control? Money.
You want a better infotainment system and connectivity? Money.
In the end I couldn't actually afford it after having some very basic functions added to it.
EV on the other hand, just a normal or a faster model, but pretty much all functions are already included.
Ratiocinor@reddit
The difference is you'll be able to actually sell the BMW in 5 years time for more than scrap value
These cheap Chinese EVs with 5-10 year old lithium batteries, you'll have to literally pay someone to take it away because no one is buying that off you
Prince_John@reddit
Nonsense. EV batteries are lasting 10-20 years at this point.
bekbok@reddit
I've never heard of a salary sacrifice scheme that lets you own the car at the end. They're always a lease and at the end of the 2/3/4 years, you just give it back (no option to buy) and it's no longer your problem and you typically then get a new one on the scheme for another 2/3/4 years
Impressionsoflakes@reddit
People over here don't realise how far China has advanced in the last 20 years in tech.
_RustyBeard@reddit
Made in China being cheap and poor quality is about 10years out of date.
Aside from everything being made in China these days, the quality is way beyond most local manufacturers.
Upstairs-Balance9846@reddit
BYD is probably going to be the biggest companay in the world in 30 years.
MassivBereavement@reddit
Combination of general enshittification of western car brands, Chinese state subsidy on car exports, Chinese dominance in EV battery and car manufacturing. These make Chinese cars way cheaper than traditional manufacturers can ever be
MonkeyBoy697@reddit
Relatively cheap and they tend to be pretty decent quality and with decent spec compared to other manufacturers similar models
Local-Moose9833@reddit
Price
spaceshipcommander@reddit
I've just written a post in the car sub sat in my Jaecoo 7 hire car. It's the worst car I've driven for a decade. Certainly the worst new car. Everything about it is horrific. If I had £300 a month to spend on a car, I'd buy a 10 year old Tiguan or something similar before this. I'd be willing to bet that a 10 year old Tiguan will still be more reliable than this thing new.
Please do not entertain buying one of these. If this car is worth £10k at the end of a 3 year lease I'll be amazed.
Stuzo@reddit
Did you get a reason why that post was deleted? It seemed like it was provoking interesting discussion. I was just trying to reply to the person claiming that an e2008 was £10,000 more than a JAECOO 7 by saying:
"Just on comparing cost of the e2008 with the JAECOO 7. The cheapest non-damaged JAECOO 7 on auto trader is £24,098 for a 75 plate with 13,897 miles on the clock. The cheapest 75 plate e2008 is £19,999 (with 25 miles on the clock)
Not sure if you're looking at list prices, which I've not looked at, but dealers are selling brand new e2008's for a lot less than used JAECOO 7's."
...the prospect of championing a Peugeot makes me feel very uncomfortable! For science, you may have inspired me to go and test drive a JAECOO and see if I agree with you :)
spaceshipcommander@reddit
Nope, no reason. My mother has the Peugeot. It's much nicer inside and the seats are very comfortable. The seats in the Peugeot are better than my Tesla seats. The boot is much smaller in the Peugeot, but the boot in the Jaecoo is quite small considering the size of the car. The boot floor is waist high.
Super-Nuntendo@reddit
I've bought China brand phones before, and the hardware spec & build quality was good for the price compared to Apple and Samsung.
However, beyond consumer electronics in not sure I would spend £ks on Chinese electric cars. Mainly due to spare parts and garages that know how to work on them.
Plus also the batteries catching fire thing, which might be worse for Chinese EVs
1995LexusLS400@reddit
Flood the market with cheap cars. Worked for Peugeot in the late 90s/early 2000s, Nissan in the late 2000s/early 2010s and Chinese brands right now.
Most people don’t care about cars or the quality of them. They want something they can get their hands on for less than £250 a month and they want it to get from A to B.
mannyman16hjd@reddit
Cheap yes but these cars are coming incredibly well specced as standard. People deciding between a fully specced out ev or paying more for a bmw but without electric seats, cruise control, wireless charging etc. they are just plain better value.
Ok-Airport-6058@reddit
Lord alone knows but check the warranty before you buy there are a TON of gotchas in there. Oops too late suckers oh dear…
Geordant@reddit
My wife and I make pretty make decent money, no debts and sensible with our finances. We were looking at a 7 seater for our family, ideally electric or at the least hybrid. The prices were were being quoted were an absolute fucking joke. A KIA for £900 per month, an ID Buzz for £750, even a Peugeot was £600 with a half decent trim.
On average it was averaging about double what my last lease was. My last 2 leases were R Line Tiguans so decent enough tech. The prices have exploded. Even with my work salary sacrifice scheme in which the insurance was included I was feeling I am getting ripped off.
Then I came across a new Chery dealership on a regular route I go so I popped in to satisfy my curiosity. The Tiggo 8 super hybrid has all the tech a man could dream of, the 7 seats I need for a growing family and the payment of £425 per month. They're just so much cheaper, the build inside of the car is far from the cheap tinny plastic you'd expect. Big screen, HUD, panoramic sunroof, electric boot, control car through your app, 540 cams etc etc etc.
I feel like I make a bit of a joke about it when I tell people that's what I am getting but honestly I'm super excited to see what it's like. I don't care for flashy brands, I care about ncap ratings and usability so this Chinese car might just be the one for me.
South_Leek_5730@reddit
When you tell a lie eventually you get found out. That lie being "Made in China" = crap. If you are spending £2 on a pair of pants or some plastic tat then you get what you pay for and to be fair it doesn't matter which country it comes from. Cars on the other hand are relatively expensive and highly regulated with regards to safety. There would be absolutely no advantage to messing it up. The capitalist west hates any financial model that isn't infinite growth and pure greed hence the negative publicity because unlike any other country that has tried to shun capitalism they can't bomb them.
SlaBLister@reddit
It isn't a lie, bud. It's a harsh truth.
On_The_Blindside@reddit
They do get it wrong:
Jaecoo 7 recalled: a quarter of all brand’s 2025 UK cars going back to dealers
It's got fuck all to do with capitalism protecting itself, if you think Chinas model isn't just state backed capitalism then you need to look again.
Working in the industry, I benchmark these cars frequently. More often than not it's very easy to find basic issues with fit and finish, NVH is a complete afterthought, and software is slow and clunky.
Now that's not just Chinese vehicles that have these issues (especially with Software) but if you look at the other upstarts, Rivian, Tesla, etc their software is leagues ahead of anything in a Jaecoo.
If I were going to buy a Chinese EV (and I'm not), then I would only look at BYD.
South_Leek_5730@reddit
If I had a £1 for every recall for every car manufacturer I would be very very rich.
What is state backed capitalism? Is that not just socialism? It's only capitalism if it's tax breaks to funnel money upwards. Looking at the infrastructure they have built over the last 30 years tells me the money isn't going upwards. We can't even get a simple train across the country without moaning about money.
ProtoplanetaryNebula@reddit
Yes, you got it spot on. The difference with Chinese suppliers is they are very versatile and will make a product to meet the required spec, even if the spec is a low cost-defined one. Like, I need an electric fan heater, budget is 8 USD. The supplier will make you a fan heater, but the parts will naturally be very cheap and will break after a few months. This is not to do with Chinese quality being bad, this is to do with the low cost. If you went to the same supplier and had a 200 USD budget, you would get a fan heater that was so over-engineered you could pass it down to your grandchildren.
EcoNorfolk@reddit
The Chinese are incredible. As they don’t have elections you don’t get short termism. People came off the fields and into factories and the standard of living continues to improve. Education is off the scale. The Chinese themselves are hard workers and they learn real quick.
Tesla from a the US was a piece of junk.
One from China? Much better built.
The entrepreneur spirit is seen everywhere. Machine shops line streets until the police crack down. They copy what they see and then improve it. Trade shows have an air f competition I have never seen.
Sure you get tat - they produce what the client wants so that Disney bouncing ball with the LED light is hand cut by a old woman on piece work (damn she is good at it) and formed in a machine from the arm. the led is crap. But then they need to make a margin. Get them to make something of good quality and it will be better than almost anyone else. With cars the Chinese government wanted to beat the world’s legacy brands just as Japan did before they got lazy. Here we are.
fisothemes@reddit
Demand and supply. People want cheap things that are good quality. You can only Maximise margins and fiddle with IP for so long.
johndom3d@reddit
People like cheap, blingy tat - even if it doesn't last, because they'll change it in a couple of years anyway.
steven71@reddit
Like 70s Japanese cars. They'll rust away, but eventually they'll become high quality.
THE-HOARE@reddit
People watching Tesla and its owner having a melt down turned a lot of people away from them ( I know I wouldn’t ever own one ) so then what are your prospects bmw and Mercedes where to expensive and places like Renault hadn’t yet released smaller electric car on a “ budget” so people looked at new Chinese manufacturers that came cheap with good interior toys and good incentives.
DavidJonnsJewellery@reddit
I guess they got better at making cars. The Japanese went through the same thing. If you produce something reliable, it's gonna sell
Low-Opening25@reddit
dirt cheap
FragrantProgress8376@reddit
Yeah, I've seen a few of these Chinese cars popping up and they're surprisingly decent for the price. Do you think it's mainly about improving quality or more about the tech-packed features they're offering now?
Georgeatroom101@reddit
Europe has a weird fixation with something called carbon net zero so they’ve packed all the pollution and production-off to China ,job done apparently.
ShadoGear@reddit
Good value
Hot-Prep@reddit
They just removed the branding premium from major car makers
Professional_Elk_489@reddit
They're not are they? I've never even seen a Chinese car
Duanedoberman@reddit
You have, you are just expecting to see a wreck but they are better looking than most cars.
I've Been on the road today, loads of MGs, a surprising number of BYDs, Jaecoo's and Omoda's and my first Xpeng.
SometimesWr0ng@reddit
Price
Ok-Glove-1976@reddit
Steal tech from Hyundai and Tesla. Make cars 80% as good.
Chinese Government subsidies
Sell at third the price or lower
Marketing by spamming on how great value these high tech Chinese cars are through various online communities like Reddit
weightsnwine@reddit
They are cheap.
I drive a 71 plate Discovery, it's a massive car, 3.0 litre Diesel engine and cost me a fortune to buy, fortune to run and fuck me if something goes wrong it costs a fortune to repair, but I do love it.
A similar sized Jacoo is about 1/3 of the price new. I don't know what the specs are or if they are fun/nice to drive but you can see why people go for them.
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
This is one of the ways they get people though. They're intentionally pushing the whole 'cut price Land/Range Rover' angle, but many people don't realise that their largest car - the J7 - is nowhere near the size of a Discovery, let alone a FFRR. Even their flagship J8 which launches next year is smaller.
The value is undeniable, but corners are still cut.
weightsnwine@reddit
Yeah, if you need size, as I do, then these aren't it.
I was keen to see the new Freelander and I've always loved those but it's fucking awful, and I don't think people will go for it because people often go for the Landrover badge because it's a Landrover badge.
I need a massive car, and the Discovery is the perfect fit, and it takes me anywhere, I'd like to see the Chinese 4x4s doing proper off road trials and see how they get on.
lonefox22@reddit
Take an existing technology nick some existing design flairs (RR, Merc ect) and manufacture it cheaply and stick a fair warranty on it and your good to go. Will it be as reliable as the competition? Probably not Will it last 10+years? Definitely not. But, if you want a new car that fits your ever decreasing budget then off you pop to your local Chinese auto franchise dealer.
swordoftruth1963@reddit
I have a Chinese built Volvo and the quality seems on a par with the European built Volvo we also own. They can make high quality cars as well as adequate cheap ones, I suspect there will be a few dud models but that was also the case with European cars
Phoenix_Kerman@reddit
if either are from the past 15 years they are a massive drop in quality from the cars before
swordoftruth1963@reddit
I disagree with that. We have had new Volvo's from 1990 and I think they are really good now. In fairness it's only one year in for the EX30 but nothing has gone wrong. Our 2017 XC60 has been bulletproof. The one I remember as being unsatisfactory was the ES480 c1994 which was a shame cos it was a very interesting design at the time
Phoenix_Kerman@reddit
there's been ten thousand ex30s in this country where drivers have been warned to not charge them past 70% due to fire risk, the new ownerships solution is basically just that. so i wouldn't say they're really good now. they've also had a massive brake recall on electric and phev cars, hardly the beacon of safety they were.
having had volvos for a similar period and actually working on them these days the interior quality and overall quality seemed to change a bit when ford bought them and dropped sharply when they were sold to geely
Some_Confidence5962@reddit
Their government supported their electric car industry for about a decade.
While the UK was back and forth on should we shouldn’t we ban new petrol and diesel, several Chinese provinces got on and banned them a couple of years ago (it’s done already!).
They had 5 major car companies competing in the days when the western world basically had just Tesla.
Consequences…
potatoduino@reddit
Yes, the rest of the world has sat on its laurels and is now reaping what has been sown
Teamkillongtime@reddit
The basic model is £325 PCP with a warranty to cover the term. The running costs are like-for-like with a 6-year-old Quasqui with 50k miles on Cinch. No brainer if you use PCP and can get one.
Dry_Yam_4597@reddit
Because the roles have inverted - german cars despite being expensive have become dated and low quality, while chinese cars are higher in quality, loaded with tech, and at a reasonable price.
Melodic-Towel-7633@reddit
1 - Chinese government has heavily supported electric car companies in China
Benwahr@reddit
"I always thought historically “Made in China” was perceived as low quality or fake"
China can make highquality stuff, it depends on the standards and budget set by the company ordering it. The “cheap/fake” reputation mostly came from low cost imports and knock offs, not because chinese manufacturing is inherently bad. With cars, they put huge investment into EVs, batteries and tech, so now they can compete on value. Id still check dealer support, warranty, parts availability and long term reliability before buying one
CraigTheBrewer12@reddit
As people have said, they are cheap and reasonably well specced for the price, though this doesn’t always equal good.
As side note, there is some serious brainwashing or coping that comes with every purchase. The Jaecoo owners group popped up on Facebook for me recently and the owners are all mental! Absolutely obsessed with the idea that any “hater” is just jealous and constantly banging on about how perfect and amazing the cars are. “I’ve done 15 miles and not a single fault, it’s incredible!!”
Dear-Drawer4811@reddit
Watch the Carwow reviews on Jaecoo cars, they are actually surprisingly good.
Difficult_Egg_4350@reddit
BYD and others have been very open about their intentions to take a huge chunk of the European market. I think BYD said their aim was to sell something like a third of all cars in Europe by 2030. Obviously the way to do that is to be very competitive on price, features etc. Once you've captured the market and squeezed the competition, you can put the prices up.
Ok-Flatworm6098@reddit
wouldn't this just force european car makers to lower their price or find ways to provide more for the money?
Difficult_Egg_4350@reddit
Manufacturing costs are low in China and elements of industry are state subsidised to keep costs low to enable international competition. A car being made in Japan, Europe or the US can't necessarily compete on everything from wages, to the price of raw materials. Making changes to what you offer takes time, and they're already behind the curve. It's also possible they can't figure out how to sell the 180 from starting to charge extra or even require a subscription for features to giving them away in the base price to existing customers.
I also suspect that at least some manufacturers will not want to cut prices as it undermines the high end/luxury/at least not dirt cheap persona they have built for their brand.
Jimmy_Tightlips@reddit
No, because the production costs of Chinese cars are heavily subsidised by the CCP to unfairly undercut the market.
The European brands sell their cars for as cheap as they can, considering all the stupid nonsense the EU forces them to include.
Ok-Cold3937@reddit
Unfortunately you are right, but people are happy for this to happen.
ResidentMix1872@reddit
Should I get ripped off now and later so I can prevent being ripped off just later?
2minutesmate@reddit
Europe (mainly the Germans) and the Japanese perfected ICE decades ago, cheap, reliable and efficient. It was unlikely the Chinese could ever really break into that market over here, even with their cost advantage.
EVs are a whole new 'race' and the legacy car makers lost most of their advantages, prices in real terms for cars have gone up a lot as manufacturers invest heavily (and are forced down the EV route).
'European' EVs are still expensive and not very reliable (or at least perceived as so), if it costs 50K for a standardish EV from a well known European maker and the cars reliability is questionable then people are prepared to give a 25K unknown Chinese car a chance.
The truth is most of us will be driving Chinese cars pretty soon, Inviting them to manufacture here, like we did to the Japanese in the '70s via tariffs might be the only way to retain millions of jobs in our motor industry.
unclear_warfare@reddit
I live in China and there are a LOT of new car brands here which are good quay, many of them electric too. If they can produce similar cars to our traditional manufacturers, and do it cheaper, then people are going to buy them. This is after decades of support from the Chinese government, which is now paying off
MidsummerMidnight@reddit
Because they're good, and better than Tesla
Say10sadvocate@reddit
I dunno, not I wouldn't buy one. 🤷🏽♂️
vercingetafix@reddit
Chinese manufacturing is moving up the value chain.
DjLeWe78@reddit
Because cars are now an electric product rather than a mechanical product. Who historically is best at electrical things ? Spoiler alert, it’s not the Germans.
Naive_Reach2007@reddit
Cheap to buy, however insurance may be an issue as companies are refusing to insure due to availability of spares etc..
Also there are issues with reliability, which you always get with larger pool of vehicles but some are quite frightening
But for most people irs been sold as a baby range rover loaded with all toys.
Wretched_Colin@reddit
Go to compare the market and put in a Jaecoo 7 and see how easily you can get it insured.
The answer is easily. And it is less expensive than premiums on some “legacy” manufacturers.
The existing car companies realise they have an existential threat and are spreading misinformation, which you have obviously heard and believed.
Naive_Reach2007@reddit
Guardian, carwow, insurance business, just a few so hardly misinformation, theres even a reddit on it, some are offering insurance but more expensive thet comparable makes.
BloodAndSand44@reddit
I won’t buy a car made or designed in China for many reasons (looking at you Mini). But it is the spares and how easy it will be to get them that should be concerning. As Chinese manufacturing has a long history of rapid change to keep with what the market wants. How easy will it be to get a new wing for this year Jaecoo in five years time?
Monsoon_Storm@reddit
Lived in China for many years and during that time had a Buick and an Audi, both made in China. Both of them were incredibly reliable and never had any issues. Sold the Audi to a friend when we left and they have literally just sold it off last year - it's 16 years old. They only sold it because it will no longer pass the environmental regulations for use inside the city. Still runs perfectly.
gambiting@reddit
My Volvo XC60 2020 was built in China at their Chengdou plant(I'm in the UK), and it's incredibly well made. No issues in the last 6 years, no squeaks, no rattles, it just works. And it's about 100x better assembled than my last Mercedes-AMG which was built entirely in Germany and I'm sure the people who made it were actually drunk - I was back at the dealership every month for various rattles and pieces of trim literally falling off. The best one was when I literally took the workshop manager for a drive to show him that the rear seat creaking like a horse cart and he said "it's a sports car, it has to rattle!". Absolute nonsense.
MrTickles22@reddit
Better than American trash cars. Cheaper than German trash cars.
FeatureSuccessful251@reddit
They are massively subsidised by the Chinese Govt in terms of tax breaks etc,. This is industrial warfare, weakening the grip of the major western manufacturers on the global car market who cannot compete as they are taxed and regulated far more heavily.
They have good features but the quality is questionable, insurance is tricky and replacement parts (apparently) non exisitent.
bensthebest@reddit
China caught the legacy manufacturers sleeping and starting pushing out more affordable evs then the usual manufacturers keep up with. People also see cars as appliances now rather than an expansion of themselves like they used to do
Grimnebulin68@reddit
Chinese innovations are becoming more mainstream. They have taken everything they have learned and are now accelerating with it, without the constraints of traditional engineering or managerial incompetence.
richardbaxter@reddit
I don't like how they look but that's not the main issue I guess. Still I'd worry about being in an accident in one
Rebelology@reddit
Half the price of a western equivalent... Probably faster too
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
I drove one of the XPOWER MG4s a few months back. Blisteringly fast. 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. Properly flawed in many ways but you can't deny the value.
livehigh1@reddit
Cheap and do the job reasonably well.
It's like their smartphones. Is it better than the top flagships? No. Is it almost half the price with decent camera, cpu and adequate? Yes.
SpudsUlik@reddit
Not by choice, I’m guessing!
benjamin-young@reddit
To be honest I think a lot comes down to bang-for-buck. Huawei make cars with fridges and projectors in the back with comparable comfort to a £300k Bentley Bentayga for around £80k!
robint88@reddit
As basiclaly everyone has said is that it is value for money. But also, car manufacturers from China basically made a lot of the parts for European brands etc. For example, the Jaecoo cars are made of parts from they make for the bigger brands. Eg. the chassis of a Land Rover, electrical features from BMW, engine parts from VW etc. They just basically thought they could make a bit of money themselves on top of doing the bits for others.
Danuk9455@reddit
People they look decent and have good spec. Affordable and lets me honest this fear about parts won’t be a problem with how big China are on manufacturing. Time for European brands to start competing with pricing …
melvin1888@reddit
The car industry is a cartel. Note how all cars of a certain type eg. SUV are roughly the same price! Even though we have amazing reductions in cost in the last 20-20 years. The cars themselves are very modular and only the outside skin is different. Again cost savings that have never been passed on to the customer, but to the shareholders.
There is no real competition, but the Chinese manufacturer's are shaking the market. However I doubt it will last. I remember when KIA was a budget brand that was significantly cheaper, now they are the same as the rest.
I really hope the Chinese manufacturers make a proper competitive car market where the manufacturer's try and win our business.
edkidgell@reddit
Marketing
Relevant_Natural3471@reddit
There were plenty of 'popular' cars "Made in China" before the chinese brands came along
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
No it was really rare for UK cars to be made in China before the Chinese brands arrived a few years ago.
Relevant_Natural3471@reddit
only 19 years now for the entire MG brand...
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
I mean MG just is a Chinese brand now, it wasn't popular until recently, and most UK market cars were made in the UK until 2016.
As I said, until the recent influx of Chinese brands, cars made in China were really, really rare in the UK.
Relevant_Natural3471@reddit
They weren't made in the UK.
You are conflating "assembled" vs made - there's a very clear tax-dodging difference between the two, which has no positive bearing on the quality or underlying engineering.
I suspect you are claiming facts without actually doing any research
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
The underlying engineering was the result of UK development, and assembly skill has a huge bearing on quality in fact.
Complete nonsense. And I suspect that you're upset that you've been called out for nonsense and you're now focusing on this in an attempt to avoid the fact that Chinese-made cars simply were very rare until the recent influx of Chinese brands in the last few years.
Relevant_Natural3471@reddit
Erm no - now you're digging in further to conflate "design" with "made in china"
What spurious origins are you now implying with "made in China" brands? Do you know the origins of the designs?
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
Absolute gibberish. How on earth am I conflating the two when my point is that they weren't designed in China?
It's very simple. Early SAIC MG cars were designed in the UK, the parts all cast in China and then shipped over here where the cars were built. This is not 'made in China' in the same way that modern Chinese cars are made in China.
So when you said there were plenty of 'popular' cars "Made in China" before the Chinese brands came along you were flat out wrong. Not only was MG not popular until recently, but the cars were not the same kind of product as the ones being pumped out by the Chinese brands now.
Sorry but I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here.
Relevant_Natural3471@reddit
Firstly, you're arguing the toss on a post about "made in china", then when it is pointed out that something was "made in china", you start arguing the toss about whether it was "designed in china", at which point you have nothing other than an undefined hill to die on.
Point is, many "UK" cars have been manufactured in china for well over a decade now.
Luckily, you're arguing against youself though. Chery, who are behind lots of these "new" Chinese brands like Jaecoo, are not designed by Chinese people.
Kevin Rice (ex-Mazda) was their chief designed until 2020, and now they haver Steve Eum, who is a Korean-born American, and Michael Duerr (who I believe is German). The majority of their design team is european
So what was your argument? That it's not "made in China" if it was designed in europe?
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
You are some combination of confused and disingenuous here. Let's go through this step by step.
You claimed that here in the UK we've been buying popular 'made in China' cars for many years before the arrival of the Chinese brands, with the suggestion that this is nothing particularly new. I pointed out that this is simply wrong. Vanishingly few UK market cars were made in China until recently.
You used SAIC's purchase of MG 19 years ago as evidence that what you were saying is true. But this is very poor evidence for two reasons. The first is that MG didn't sell many cars at all until recently. Their share was a fraction of a percent of cars until a few years ago. This alone renders your point straightforwardly wrong. The second issue is that until 2016, the cars were made here in the UK.
You argued that because they came in knock down kits of parts, they were still 'made in China', and that the location and method of assembly is irrelevant. This is flawed as a response for several reasons. Firstly they are regardless built here and the location of build is materially relevant (see endless discussions about which identical Teslas are better from which factory), and secondly while the parts were made in China, the cars were designed and engineered here. This is different to the modern wave of Chinese cars that are engineered, cast and assembled entirely in China.
That Chinese manufacturers have hired some European designers to pen the aesthetics of their cars does not mean they are the same as the old SAIC MGs that were designed, engineered and entirely put together here in the UK.
Because you are desperate not to admit that you were entirely wrong about the original premise (which is rendered false merely by MG's lack of popularity, let alone anything else), you are focusing on any other straws that you can grasp. It's very silly.
Fondant_Decent@reddit (OP)
True
Responsible-Ad-4332@reddit
Stupidity
supernakamoto@reddit
They offer lots of kit for not much money. I wouldn’t buy one myself (with the possible exception of a BYD Seal), but I can totally understand the appeal to someone who views a vehicle as an appliance and nothing more.
VincentVan_Dough@reddit
Cheap and surprisingly well made. My parents have a Porsche, Audi and now a BYD. Guess which one they drive on a daily basis? The Porsche and Audi are languishing in the garage and taken out only for special occasions or when dad feels like he needs to contort himself into cramped positions so he can crawl in the Porsche at 70km/h max.
Fondant_Decent@reddit (OP)
I am really impressed with BYD, shockingly impressed
VincentVan_Dough@reddit
Same. I drive their BYD when I visit them in Singapore. They keep telling me to take the Porsche or Audi because it’s “nicer”. But nope, I prefer the BYD.
Ferrovia_99@reddit
Same with buses as well. Everyone buying Yutong buses now.
GingerPrince72@reddit
Price
profprimer@reddit
Because they’re cheap, accessible on ridiculously easy credit terms thanks to the government wanting us all in EVs and offering incentives. Given that half of registered drivers dislike doing it so much that they would give up driving if there was a credible alternative, there is a huge cohort of people who can’t tell a good car from a terrible car.
This Chinese supply chain is like catnip to that cohort. It will all end in tears.
Asaxii@reddit
The problem with being dismissive about ‘Made in China’ items, is that, this also applies to the tiny tech components are probably found in your phone or your pc, the toys you loved when you were a kid, etc.
Green_Lychee8221@reddit
Whereas over countries often favour buying from home grown companies, Brits put cheapness above everything else.
OkSun8521@reddit
Which countries favour buying cars from home grown companies?
superiner@reddit
Because european car makers only focus on luxury vehicles so there is a market gap to fill with affordable ones
Acrobatic_Simple_178@reddit
Cheap. Subsidised by the Chinese government. If you’re lucky it’ll be reliable and then it’s a total bargain.
The legacy brands have the same lottery on reliability in some cases, just with a more developed dealer network to solve things.
Personally I wouldn’t buy one, but I’m not currently the target market.
OkSun8521@reddit
The fact that it's electric means that it's already an order of magnitude more reliable than any petrol car.
Anubis1958@reddit
Cheap but are they really cheap? Is the build quality as good? And what about the insurance?
https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1tenslw/uk_drivers_struggle_to_get_insurance_for_chinese/
verisakeet62@reddit
I find that surprising...I had no issues gettimg a very reasonable quote for insurance for an MG3.
lewis_t_duck@reddit
Price and specs, my dad's MG is much better car for the money then my similarly aged BMW.
steak_bake_surprise@reddit
It used to be the case of just buying a car to get around and if you had a pay rise or a bit of extra cash on the side you'd buy a more premium brand like VW/Audio/BMW. But now, all the manufactures have cut back on features and just plonked a massive tablet wherever there's space, hiked prices by 50% over 10yrs, added subscriptions to basic features, and then they wonder why people are priced out of these brands and just think feck it, I just want a car to get around.
Dimdom1970@reddit
Chinese cars are popular because they give people cars for a decent price and dont shaft you for extras etc . And many are very well made and premium inside , some better than even some so called premium marques for half the price . Anyone who says theyre cheap and nasty need to actually go and sit inside a Jaecoo 9 or Omoda 9 and see how nice they are .
iceman2g@reddit
More bang for your buck. If their cars are anything like their forklifts, you'll get premium-level spec for entry-level price. Whether the quality is there, and they remain economically comparable in the mid- to long-term remains to be seen, but where I work we can get a Chinese-made truck for literally half the price of the equivalent German version.
Upbeat_Map_348@reddit
Cheap and the quality is so much better than it used to be.
Around 5 years ago, I bought a new Tesla M3 and the quality was awful. It had to be fixed by Tesla multiple times and even I had to diagnose an fix an annoying rattle at one point. I was told that I was unlucky that I had one of the last ones made in the US and, since production had moved to China, the quality was so much better.
travelingwhilestupid@reddit
China is leading on EVs.
Airurando-jin@reddit
Including battery tech. They already have a ev taxi service that parks up on a platform and a robot changes out the battery underneath. I find it pretty cool
CriticalCentimeter@reddit
Tesla are awful quality. There's been a recent study in Germany and Tesla came bottom of the reliability index
According-Bit1786@reddit
Even with their hyper-automated processes in manufacture, they still have a shit load of hand-work on each one.
GreyFoxNinjaFan@reddit
Yeah aftercare service is actually quite good with Tesla (at least that's what I've been told) BUT the need for aftercare is very high which lets them down.
friendlysaxoffender@reddit
I don’t know why so many people are surprised by this. China is a massive industry and have been ramping up every single aspect of their production, including the car business. It’s massive out there and it was only a matter of time before it bled over into the West.
Enshittification of Western car brands and repeated wars pushing the cost of oil up have meant the ready and waiting cheap and surprisingly good quality electric Chinese cars were perfect.
Basically, the made in China thing we have always had but now instead of us outsourcing, china is importing.
NozzerNol@reddit
They're not ripping people off like every other car manufacturer.
Akash_nu@reddit
A few things to consider - - China has definitely learnt how to penetrate a market with cheaper deals and swallowing the intial cost. - Europe is a super mature car market with well known manufacturers and for a new brand to make any footprint the ONLY way they can be of any relevance is to cut the price in this war time with high cost of living in general. - They have passed the European rigours safety regulations I would assume and that’s why they’re able to sell in this market, which means they’re technically not so unsafe that people should actively avoid. - In most car reviews people call out the sloppy handling on the Chinese cars but honestly who’s racing through the tracks everyday to actually feel it?! It’s always just ROI for most people at this point. - Enthusiasts aren’t really buying Jaecoo!
mbridge2610@reddit
Relatively high spec and cheap to buy
burundilapp@reddit
China has been poking the UK and EU markets for a while and learning from its mistakes. The cars coming to market now are more reliable, better specced and have more european friendly designs to compete with EU offerings.
They do improvements by iterations like most manufacturers but they've built whole manufacturing cities that supply pretty much all of the supply chain elements and so they can react faster and so iterate faster.
China can build good stuff and have a huge amount of engineers, designers, etc... thanks to a large population and a political will to move all obstacles out of the way to build fast, it'd take decades of planning wrangles to do the same sort of things that China is doing. That may not be a good thing for people but it's great for the economy.
Remote-Till-3659@reddit
not made or have anything to do with USA and cheap
Correct-Ad-6605@reddit
The only car worth buying, is one that comes with the best warranty and will depreciate the least within 3-5years.
I just can't see any chinese car being worth much at the end of that time frame. Especially the electric ones.
AdPrestigious2387@reddit
Cheap and good
IamlostlikeZoroIs@reddit
They are cheap, have more to offer at basic rates and all the other cars are now made in China too so the quality is more or less the same.
Barry_Burton_1974@reddit
Buddy. This is Reddit. It is verboten to have positivity about anything Chinese here. Been that way for years.
ezsqueezycheezypeas@reddit
In the 70s Japanese cars were laughed at, that rapidly changed through the 90s and 2000s and now they are mainstream. Similar for Korean cars, Kia and Hyundai have come a very long way in the past 20 years.
China moves fast and thinks in the long term, 20 years ago their cars were laughable. They caught up to the rest of the world very quickly and can scale production to reduce costs (plus dodgy labour practices and government subsidies).
Brutal_De1uxe@reddit
They are cheap and being dumped in the market
People over looked the downsides
Advanced_Gate_3352@reddit
Massive supply issues to dealers from traditional/established marques post-covid.
Dealers need stuff to sell, on reasonable terms (like sale or return). The Chinese were able to supply loads of vehicles, probably at slim to no margin, quickly.
There was a vacuum to be filled, and they filled it.
Bingowing12@reddit
Many popular Chinese car manufacturers are partially owned and subsidised by the CCP. This means they can artificially lower their prices to undercut the legacy car manufacturers by quite a large margin.
Great tactic if you want to destroy your economic competition. This provides geopolitical leverage in the CCP’s favour over western governments. Then there’s all of the data these cars are harvesting and sending back to China, so much that they’re effectively banned from being within 2 miles of sensitive sites in the UK.
Looking at the bigger picture yes they’re cheap to buy but there are huge hidden costs associated with these vehicles which most people aren’t paying attention to.
More_Dependent742@reddit
People have realised that China also makes high quality versions of things, not just low quality, and those HQ things are very, very cheap for what they are
mattt5555@reddit
I was listening to a podcast about the chinese govt who have invested a lot,100s of billions to enable BYD to offer the cars cheap to get a massive slice of the market. It was about evs not consipracy theorys!
drivingagermanwhip@reddit
A lot of the software on the newest wave of cars is terrible. I think legacy manufacturers have shot themselves in the foot in many cases because the new car experience is often frustrating. Pretty much everyone I know with a new car talks about obvious glitches in the electronic systems. The traditional components might be great, but the weaknesses of the smart features totally undermine confidence. We're past the days when people can order the newest version of the model they're used to and know it will basically do what they want.
In terms of electronics, I find Tesla is often better but the actual car is worse.
It may still be that European cars have better fundamentals, but the fact is most peoples' requirements aren't high. Chinese cars do what they need and pass European safety regulations and all cars are a gamble these days.
Exotic_Jicama1984@reddit
People really don't care that Chinese EVs are an insipid tool of China to fuck over the west.
I think they should be outright banned.
Shame on anyone driving a Chinese car.
PublicityPete@reddit
General consumer interest within the motor trade has been specifically towards the SUV market and Crossovers.
Main reason that manufacturers are putting a push on these is that they can sell the same car on the same platform/chassis and mark up costs by 20% as consumers feels they are getting a more substantial car.
Jaecoo entered the market with a small and large SUV 5 & 7 ranging between £24K - £31K
This is the same price as a a ford fiesta model for a car that has similar looks to a Range Rover - not to mention they also offer a £0 deposit option at £299/month which cost less than some peoples monthly council tax or family phone plan.
Think_Preference_611@reddit
Cheap and most people don't know anything about cars.
Fine_Swimmer_7343@reddit
China’s whole economy is built around its manufacturing industry and they've already over saturated the domestic market so in order to keep the current status quo ticking over Chinese car manufacturers are selling exports at near build cost.
Most countries such as Germany, US and Japan have domestic car industries that they need to protect which is why the EU and US have implement tarrifs on Chinese EVs but the UK is different. UK cars are built as luxury items (Rolls Royce, Jaguar land rover ect) so we didn't put any tarrifs on Chinese EVs are they aren't a threat to our car industry and with companies like Tesla, BMW and Ford leaning in subscription models to unlocks features your average consumer wants a simple, affordable and modern vehicle and Chinese EVs tick all the boxes.
As a separate case study I believe in Australia, a country similar to the UK in that it has no domestic car industry and relies heavily on imports, Chinese EVs make up close to 50% of the market. (Feel free to VAR me on this).
Fondant_Decent@reddit (OP)
Insightful. I didn’t know about Australia and the point around UK manufacturing mostly being at the premium end of the market.
I went to the UAE last year and it was almost 50% of cars on roads were Chinese too. China seem to have progressed leaps and bounds in recent years.
Fine_Swimmer_7343@reddit
It's not so much China's progression but a clash of culture. US and European car manufacturers are implementing anti-consumer technology such as subscription services for features already built in the car and prices far above build cost.
Chinese manufacturers have built cars that are near enough in most aspects but are cheaper due to a weaker Chinese currency, need to export and more desirable to the consumer due to the lack of anti-consumer features.
Ontop of that the rise of cars loans means that a car being a symbol of status has been fractured as anyone can afford to drive any car if they're willing to finance it. This means more people are looking at practically and frugalityrather than spending more on a depreciating asset as a status symbol.
Sparquin81@reddit
Cheap is the answer. I get the impression that British consumers are world champions at putting up with almost anything if they think they have a bargain. And since the near eradication of our manufacturing industry, there's no reason to prefer the product of any one country over that of another.
smith9447@reddit
As I've said before it's the same as the Japanese car "invasion" of the 1970's. Relatively cheap, well equipped for the price and more than adequate driving experience for most people. Couple that with good finance and/or leasing deals and the market penetration is easy to understand.
Ultimate_os@reddit
It’s not like that. The quality won’t improve but you won’t be able to choose a European car in the future. 😅
smith9447@reddit
I remember the same thing being said then (yes I am that old)
Ultimate_os@reddit
I mean the Japanese companies weren’t actively attempting to put everyone else out of business.
Beer-Milkshakes@reddit
Production power globally has increased since the 70's. So whilst you're right; Japanese brands actively tried to stick a finger in every automotive pie. So they wouldn't have been successful in putting others out of business, they did succeed in competing in virtually all corners of the automotive market.
Sea-Leave2077@reddit
Priced very aggressively to gain market share. People want new and don’t exactly feel flush for cash at the moment so cheap Chinese cars that look like other cars on the market are appealing.
0ttoChriek@reddit
Similar to how Korean car manufacturers broke into the market, and Japanese before that - cheap but the quality increased to be comparable to 'traditional' car manufacturers.
I've not been inside one of those Chinese cars, so don't know how the interiors compare to European brands, but imagine they're on a similar trajectory to Kia, where the interiors were a bit basic but have improved considerably in the current generation of cars.
I'll be looking to get an electric car in a year or two, and will definitely look at the Chinese manufacturers to see whether they're worth getting.
xdq@reddit
The difference here is that instead of being of lower spec/quality, the Chinese government give massive subsidies and incentives to the manufacturers to build market share.
There are a lot of stories of controversy surrounding BYD's investments in South America and the stockpiles of dealer-registered cars they have to inflate figures (similar to pre-reg cars here being used to meet sales targets)
Monsoon_Storm@reddit
On the local Chinese market the interiors can be insane, they put western brands to shame. Not sure what their international stock is like though.
Ultimate_os@reddit
Jaecoo are rather flimsy inside. 😅
Monsoon_Storm@reddit
in all honesty I hadn't heard of Jaecoo until this thread xD
markvauxhall@reddit
I had a taxi to the airport a while back. Felt like a BMW inside but I wasn't familiar with the model so asked the driver what it was.
It was in fact a BYD.
Beartato4772@reddit
Yep, and BYD's one of those companies some in this thread scoff at and really, REALLY shouldn't.
Not least because half a chance BYD make the battery in their fancy cars too.
ShowmasterQMTHH@reddit
Interesting that you said that, i'm looking at an ev currently, and i was planning on a VW id7, nice car but the usual vw method of pricing the car, and then adding on all the bits you need, Heat pump is not standard, extra for good seats and even more for nice trim inside. Kia ev5 has all of that included and nice finish quality. Then i looked at the BYD Sealion7, Everything you could want, included in the basic price including a panaramic sunroof, full actual leather seats and a HUD. Same price as the basic id7.
GreyFoxNinjaFan@reddit
The Korean car manufacturers have since gone bizarre. Saw a 25 plate Sportage on the 2nd hand forecourt of a Kia dealer the other day for £43,995.
44 grand for a Kia?
sockeyejo@reddit
A friend has just got his first ever brand new car. He's in his mid 70s and expects it to last until he and his wife have stopped driving (she'll be selling her beautiful sports car that she got new as a retirement present to herself in the next few years as she's starting to find it difficult to get in and out of 😭).
He went for a Chinese brand with a good reputation here and in Europe and when he gave me a lift the other week, I was reluctantly impressed with everything inside and out - even the colour as he paid extra to have something bright and cheerful instead of the standard black, white or grey (he's a good man).
It's not something I'd ever want, at least not at my time of life, but one of the other passengers is disabled with the added joy of arthritis, and he got in and out with no problems and found it much more comfortable than his own car. They've really thought about convenience and comfort, and I suddenly understood why it's so popular with that demographic. It works perfectly for that demographic and everything can be easily and quickly adjusted no matter what your individual body type and needs.
Plus_Pangolin_8924@reddit
I drive an MG4 and its interior is as good/ bad as the 2015 Honda Civic it replaced. Ie its plasticy in the bits you don't touch.
FalseCandy402@reddit
Cheap disposable goods loaded with electronics. The issue with them in the uk is very high insurance costs. Coupled with already existing premium brands being poorly made nowadays. Nothing is built to last anymore. Designed to last 3/4 years or 100k
Halfmoonhero@reddit
Because you get a decent one for half the price of a western car…
Digital-Sushi@reddit
Cheap and contrary to the daily heil anti EV and certainly anti chinese EV are actually a pretty decent car.
There are likely stories of people who have had majjor issues but there isnt a car manufacturer in the world that doesnt have the odd horror story
hyper-casual@reddit
I think one thing people are missing is how much cash they can spend on adverts.
I can't say too much as I enjoy being employed, but during my career in advertising I've been privy to quite a few car brand's marketing laydowns and these Chinese manufacturers have ad budgets that dwarf traditionally better known brands.
I've seen them put more budget into a week's spend than other brands put into an entire year.
On top of that, they don't have decades of being a known brand, so they don't arrogantly sit back and hope brand loyalty continues despite decreasing quality.
Internal_Lion_1836@reddit
i saw a leapmotor for the first time ever yesterday
finanzbereich345@reddit
They look just like Range Rovers but they're a third of the price
Emotional-Start7994@reddit
Probably more reliable than a Range Rover.
confused_potato1682@reddit
my 22 year old car is more reliable than an off the line range rover. It is a honda though so it's not really a fair fight
Big_Wrongdoer1042@reddit
Being more reliable than a Range Rover isn't a hard task.
Top-Ad120@reddit
They don’t really look like Range Rovers though. I’m not sure why people suggesting they do.
Morris_Alanisette@reddit
I mean, they do. They're so obviously a rip-off of a Range Rover that I don't know how anyone could think they don't. They J7 has a different grille and it's a bit lower at the back. Different wheels. That's about it for differences.
Then again, quite a lot of newer SUVs look the same.
Top-Ad120@reddit
I’m the type of person who could tell you the model and year of a car if you showed me the light clusters. So I notice detail in a way that I suspect most people don’t. Hence I just don’t mistake one for the other!
Morris_Alanisette@reddit
Right, so that's why people think they look the same. As you suspect, most people don't have the same eye for detail on cars as you do. A lot of people will strugle to give the manufacturer of a car they see unless they see the badge.
sjr0754@reddit
The J7 and J5,do look like a Range Rover Evoque, I work for JLR and I think they look similar.
Top-Ad120@reddit
How much are you squinting when you come to that conclusion?!
finanzbereich345@reddit
Are you feeling ripped off by your RR purchase or something?
Top-Ad120@reddit
God no - I wouldn’t buy either. I just don’t see the comparisons people keep drawing.
Wretched_Colin@reddit
It looks to me like they’ve gone out with the intention of mimicking Range Rover products, while just staying fractionally over the line of being sued for infringement.
sjr0754@reddit
Yeah, the J3 looks more like a T-Roc though
Academic_Squash240@reddit
Aren’t they owned by the same parent group as JLR too?
Willz_of_Rivia@reddit
No. JLR is Tata owned which is an Indian multinational.
Academic_Squash240@reddit
I was mistaken but Chery and JLR produce the JLR cars for China.
Willz_of_Rivia@reddit
Yes but I doubt the deal allows IP, materials, and factories to be used for Chery's own cars.
Academic_Squash240@reddit
True, interesting coincidence though.
CriticalCentimeter@reddit
They do to me. I only notice the difference if I look at the badge.
Most cars look all the same to me
noodlesandwich123@reddit
They're cheap ...even more so as the UK don't impose import tariffs on them like the EU (35%) and US (100%) do
spanishgopher2@reddit
Very common market strategy from Asia
Sell at cost or at a loss for 10+ years, flood the market, and then raise prices and provide aftermarket services (where the money is)
GrahamGreed@reddit
Remember when Uber and netflix were cheap to begin with, then they beat a lot of the competition and raised their prices?
That's the stage we're in with Chinese cars.
Aggressive_Chuck@reddit
They're still cheap.
Ultimate_os@reddit
Except they’ll be nothing else to buy.
Fondant_Decent@reddit (OP)
Makes sense
oldie349@reddit
Because it’s not tesla
Substantial_Bus5687@reddit
That historic perception is still true but it doesn't apply to the new generation of tech products — phones, electric cars, network equipment, solar panels — they are all top notch for an affordable price. Even German car manufacturers are now outsourcing their R&D to China because the Chinese have genuinely outpaced them in the software development and integration side of things, as it's no longer about good mechanical engineering anymore.
Tollowarn@reddit
J7, looks like a cut price Range Rover Evoque. Made by the same company that makes Evoque for the Chinese market, so they know what they are doing.
Chinese quality? Couldn't be worse than JLR! We know that they are crap. So choose a car that we know is poorly made or pay less for a car that might be crap.
DrHydeous@reddit
"Made in China" is ... of variable quality. My iPhone was made in China and it's great. On the other hand, I bought a set of screwdriver bits from a cheap no-name Chinese seller and they were piss poor. And yes, lots of cheap Chinese stuff is blatantly fake.
I'm happy to buy stuff directly from major western companies that is made in China, because they care about their brand and are likely to still exist if I ever need to grump at them. I wouldn't buy a Chinese car because I don't know if the company is even going to exist next year, or if they do whether they'll care about their brand here in the UK, and without dealer support - which requires manufacturer support - a modern car is basically unserviceable. Lots of people avoided Japanese cars for many years until the manufacturers had proved that they gave a shit and were in it for the long haul. It's going to take a long time for people to trust Chinese cars for the same reason.
According-Bit1786@reddit
They're available for a very good price, in the UK, with dealerships and a logistics network in the UK.
Nearly everything is "made in China", even if you buy say a Tesla or a BMW, it's stocked full of Chinese made parts and PCB's.
The whole "made in china is low quality" is just sinophobia
newtobitcoin111@reddit
cheap made in China just like fashion!
it might be a rought a bit round the edges but it still a lot of car for cheaper than others.
BellendicusMax@reddit
Theyre cheap.
They look good and are shiny, but wont last long.
LisbonMissile@reddit
People saying cheap are missing the point.
Yes they are cheap but their basic offering is so much stronger than a base equivalent of a European model. For example heated seats, parking assists, wireless charging and smart HUDs all come as standard for the likes of JAECOO.
And whisper it because again, Europeans hate to admit it, but Chinese EV tech is so much better than pretty much anything we have to offer. They are global leaders in EVs and years ahead of major European brands. The range on some of those Chinese models are ridiculous - upwards of 700 miles for hybrid models.
In my opinion European carmakers have been caught very short by the influx of Chinese car models and whilst the build quality is lacking compared to an Audi say, the price, the affordability and what you get for that makes them very good value.
TheNotSpecialOne@reddit
Big push via cheap lease and company car schemes. They'll happily take a loss to enter the market, maybe they'll get pricier soon
HawkwardGames@reddit
Super cheap lease deals and company car schemes mean the used market is going to be flooded with these in 3 years when all the leases end.
Emotional-Start7994@reddit
Will be interesting to see what happens to the market.
I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of these cars sitting for months that nobody will want to buy, as the people who are buying these cars are buying them new on lease rather than used.
Jimeeh@reddit
It’s already happening with the MGs
Ultimate_os@reddit
Depreciation is already woeful on these.
HollywoodBrownMusic@reddit
CheapER (nothing is cheap anymore). Heavily pushed by Chinese government who are subsidising them in order to get foothold in Europe etc. They're garbage, but when everything else is premium garbage with a fancy badge it's no surprise they become popular. No one cares about cars anymore, they're just anonymous white goods with wheels.
lovesorangesoda636@reddit
Price.
We own two cars, both hybrids. We 100% want to move to electrics but we need them to actually be affordable.
If I want the exact same car I have now but just in electric, it would double my monthly payment. If I get an equivalent size BYD, its only £50 more a month. The expected range of the BYD is higher, there are more included "toys", and it charges faster.
fothergillfuckup@reddit
The cheapest you can buy. Which will soon become apparent to owners, a few years down the line.
Tsircon85@reddit
Others mention the cost and cheap scheme deals but there’s also the availability factor. Not only can I log on to my workplaces salary sacrifice portal and get a cheap, brand new Chinese car but I can get one delivered to my home address by the end of the week because they’ve got loads of them in stock. If I wanted to get something from one of the legacy manufacturers there’s a waiting list for most of those unless you want peasant spec and white paint. In an age where people want the brand new thing and want it as quick as possible the abundance of brand new Chinese cars is a massive factor in rising popularity.
Rubostars@reddit
Not suddenly, this has been coming for a long time. They offer better value, and the European manufacturers are being too slow to react. This is happening not only in the UK, also in the rest of Europe. If Xiaomi starts selling their cars in Europe, they will sell a lot too
linkheroz@reddit
Higher spec and cheaper than the competition. It's not difficult t o work out 🤷♀️
CoolRanchBaby@reddit
UK military won’t let them on certain bases due to spying.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a64524038/uk-electric-vehicles-with-chinese-parts-banned-from-military-bases-report/
Money_Afternoon6533@reddit
Cheap. This is the only reason
Hentarder@reddit
It's not just Chinese vehicles, it's specifically Chinese electric vehicles.
China can make these more cheaply and faster. BYD have impressive technology for automotive applications, for example.
Also there's been a rapid increase in EV ownership, possibly related to the political climate and petrol being so fucking expensive.
Western car manufacturers are lagging with respect to the rapidly expanding EV market, and now there's a huge increase in EV ownership it's more noticeable.
Silverdodger@reddit
My landrover disco 4 and disco sport both died after engine failure lol
magicalblast@reddit
Historically, Chinese brands have had the stigma of being cheap and low quality but that's obviously quickly shifting. Chinese EVs are now affordable but also high quality. You're getting luxury and premium at a budget price level. Often the cars are superior to competitors. I'd much rather have a BYD than a Tesla for example.
TheDayWalkerCGI@reddit
Cheap. But have fun fixing them.
Jesterstear99@reddit
Cheap.
Very high spec.
People "buy" on PCP with the intention to hand it back after 3 years, so they don't care if it explodes/dissolves/is totally worthless etc. after then, they have run it for 3 years when it was in warranty. (Pretty much the reason that PSA could keep selling the 1.2 puretec- PCP/lease clients only care about running costs as long as it can get through the term of the lease)
ALA02@reddit
People are poorer and Chinese cars offer better value for money.
Plumot@reddit
They're priced really well. Lots are via lease schemes too so the issues of longevity or sourcing parts is never really an issue because most won't own them past the warranty period
We went for an MG IM5 on a lease scheme. It was the same price as an electric Ford Puma but better in pretty much every other way, only downside being the Chinese factor.
bvc900@reddit
Go to the UAE, and every other car is Chinese. I assume that will become the case over here soon.
PanicStil@reddit
I loathe JAECOO’s
Justboy__@reddit
The only thing I can’t get my head around is a few years ago we were told we couldn’t trust Chinese products like Huawei as it was all full of spyware, but now we seem to be happy to buy Chinese cars with all this technology built into it?
Far as I can tell nothing has changed, if anything there’s more reason to distrust china?
ResidentMix1872@reddit
How is spyware in my car going to affect me? Working out my very publicly known route to work and the gym?
Justboy__@reddit
Not really the point I’m getting at. I was asking what the difference is? Why have our attitudes shifted when nothing has changed?
Unable_Obligation_73@reddit
1.9% loans helped a bit I feel
Dr-Moth@reddit
While western manufacturers have been slow to sell to the EV market, these Chinese imports have appeared as advanced EV models. It's changed the dynamic from Chinese=cheap to Chinese=advanced.
It's a massive PR win for Chinese manufacturing, and a growing risk for the old school car manufacturers.
VCR_DVD_USB@reddit
They're offering good quality products at a very competitive price.
Everything around you is made in China. the quality varies on which spec the manufacturer asked the Chinese to build it to.
Parts are only tricky to get hold of because they're new to the market. Of course if you go to the manufacturer you'll be able to get plenty of parts, it's the non OEM ones that will take a while.
Japan went through this, Korea went through this - i suspect the Chinese will get through it even faster. They are the worlds factory.
zig131@reddit
What is wild to me is that they are petrol cars 😧
Like it totally makes sense that China, with the lead in battery manufacture+technology should be exporting electric cars
mondeomantotherescue@reddit
Because we have let them flood in without prohibitive tariffs. UK manufacturing will pay the price.
theNixher@reddit
People once valued having a car, didn't really care much as long is at ran, was reliable and nice enough.
People then valued the badge, back when Merc, BMW, Audi meant something, it held clout, was a bit of a status symbol, they were saught after.
Then people valued the SUV, doesn't matter the brand, the age, the condition, they wanted it taller and didn't care how.
Now people value the "new car". This is driven through two factors, the first being the obvious, age of the car. It's perceived that newer = better, people really don't care if they're buying a temu range rover, or Nissan Qashqai 🤮, as long as its fresh and shiny, reaks of PCP they're happy. The second reason is fear of repair, everyone wants to own during warranty, as a nation we have become petrified of maintaining our own cars, the second something big comes up out of warranty, it's a huge loss of faith in the vehicle, it gets fixed then sold, or even chopped in as a non-runner at a huge loss.
Now aliexpress is shipping ultra-budget cars, the new car is more accessible than ever and people are lapping it up. Who cares if they are cheap and flimsy when the repayments are only £300/month. Who cares if it needs a new motor before it's 5 years old, the contract ends before that. Who cares if the hubs fall off with the wheels sometimes (looking at you jaecoo 5), you can have a brand new shiny car outside your council house through cheap PCP or motability and everyone thinks you're the bees knees because of it, especially on the school run, you can absorb that clout as you park over the path and on the grass verge.
niteninja1@reddit
i mean i know how to repair my car (i even do my own soldering on the wiring). i dont live in a council house.
im still buying chinese because you get better quality for the price.
theNixher@reddit
Good stuff, did you do LVL 3 IMI, NVQ, C&G? Have you done any EV courses yet? How did you find it?
Anyway, yeah you get more bang for your buck, but it's still not alot of bang. Especially with Jaecoo, you're getting the types of bangs you don't want, wheels falling off, fires etc.
niteninja1@reddit
1) no I haven’t done any courses but I know how to all the basics to moderate stuff through learning from family. (They’re mostly motorbike mechanics )
2) I’m more looking at MG than jaecoo tbf. But as someone who doesn’t want to spend a ton on a car and doesn’t really care about cars the Chinese cars seem like a very good deal.
I’m planning to buy a new to me car this year (my current car is 20 years old). I’m spending a max of 14k.
The 2nd hand Chinese models are far superior in features etc and I do so few miles that it’s really not a concern on the longevity. (I did 3000 miles last year)
deadeyes1990@reddit
I don’t think people have suddenly fallen in love with Chinese cars. I think they’ve looked at the price of everything else and gone: “Actually, maybe this weirdly named SUV isn’t the end of civilisation.”
Most normal cars are stupid money now. You’re paying premium prices for stuff that still feels a bit cheap, then the Chinese brands turn up offering loads of kit, long warranties and finance that doesn’t make your soul leave your body.
Obviously there’s a risk. Parts, insurance, resale, dealers — all that boring-but-important stuff could come back to bite.
But honestly, if the old brands keep charging luxury money for normal cars, they can’t act shocked when people start taking a punt on the new lot.
AlucardVTep3s@reddit
Trade plate driver: Every Tesla I’ve picked up at the end of its lease has consistently been swapped for a BYD/Omoda/Jaecoo - I asked a customer once and their reason was because it was considerably cheaper, better features, better battery life.
Main thing was cost and still having a brand new car with loads of kit as standard. Noticed a lot of Model Y owners swapping for a BYD Seal, I was told because it was “easier to park” but I’ve seen it so much now that I think there may be a deal with some company car schemes/ leasing companies regarding the swap.
WinkyNurdo@reddit
Not for me thanks.
daddywookie@reddit
China could make stuff to whatever quality they were asked to. If it was cheap and shit that is because that is what was requested.
Now you have cars being made that are super cheap and with no brand history to go on. Of course they will be popular. The question now is if they have suitable quality to capture long term market share.
Advanced_Couple_3488@reddit
You haven't kept up with who owns whom in the car world have you?
They Chinese EVs are popular in Australia because they have already shown that their quality is up there and they are ahead of the traditional car companies in terms of their technology. They are reported to have more engineers with doctorate working on EV technology than all the traditional car companies combined.
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
I can't understand what point you think you're making here?
Ultimate_os@reddit
They are awful.
TTNNBB2023@reddit
Very much so.
The skinny is western companies got chinese companies to build things for them and eventualy they just copied the processes until they could create their own processes and now they can and they are better than ours.
The advantages China has are mainly.
Lots of workers willing to work long hours
Set price for energy guaranteed by the government
Access to materials, from bricks to rare earth minerals.
Its obviously more complex, but thats the basics.
Master-Trick2850@reddit
cheap and offering a lot of tech. Whilst car makers are trying to force people to pay subscriptions for heated seats or self driving, chinese cars are being packed full of tech and screens
Petrichor_ness@reddit
I drove an MG HS around for a few years - NEVER EVER AGAIN.
It really is like if Temu made cars. We got lured in by all the bells and whistles, autonomous features and luxury features that would cost twice the price on a comparable Japanese or German made car.
It's not that anything bad went wrong exactly, it just never felt like a comfortable or safe car to drive. Everything was accessed via the touch screen display and our local garage couldn't even give it a service because the computer it was so locked down (nearest dealership was 1.5hr away)
We swapped it for a Hyundai last year and couldn't be happier.
niteninja1@reddit
price.
im willing to spend up to 14k on a new to me car.
my criteria are it must be sub 30k miles and made after 2022
if i go european im looking at a ice car with no features.
if i go Chinese i get lane assist, adaptive cruise control and 360 camera. (and better range on a ev)
Prestigious_Chart774@reddit
The "cheap" label undersells the real shift—when every major brand has jacked up prices while cutting corners, affordable doesn't have to mean low quality anymore. It's not that Chinese cars suddenly got good, it's that they're offering decent value in a market where the competition has basically abandoned the mid-range buyer.
nithanielgarro@reddit
We've become used to the market for general stuff being flooded with cheap Chinese manufactured tat but the reality is they're just as capable of producing high quality high specced stuff as anyone. The issue is is often more expensive to get the high quality machinery and technical equipment shipped to the uk. After all every tesla in the UK is manufactured in China.
Chinese car companies are vertically fully integrated so they own their own manufacturing of parts whereas other car companies like Japanese and German rely on speccing and buying parts from all over the place.
A vertically integrated EV company that can manufacture it's own batteries massively reduces it's cost and that transfers to the end user.
Jaecoo hybrid are a bit of a mess but the ev's are fine. They're just discounting heavily to enter the market and once they've established a presence the prices will go up.
Icy_Yam_9951@reddit
Chinese EVs are decent quality, have a ton of tech included "for free" and are cheaper than the competition. Even with the government EV grant the legacy car makers can't compete with dozens of Chinese companies.
China is by far the biggest battery maker in the world, and Chinese car makers make the batteries themself or buy cheaper than what's available to foreign companies. China is the country that trains the largest number of engineers every year. BYD for example employs 100K engineers. Western car companies just don't have the number of technical stuff to keep their tech up with the Chinese companies.
DiligentCockroach700@reddit
This is the same as happened in the UK in the seventies with Japanese cars. In those days, most British made cars didn't even come with a radio as standard. My FIL bought a new Datsun Cherry in about 1978 and this thing was streets ahead of the Viva HC he traded in for it.
IdioticMutterings@reddit
"Made in China", has never meant cheap. 90% of the worlds electronics are made in China, including your iPhone. China is very capable of making high quality, high precision engineered items. It all boils down to how much we're willing to pay. If you pay cheap tat prices, you get cheap tat.
dbxp@reddit
In the case of the Jaecoo I think part of it is people wanting a Range Rover and not being able to afford one. There are some reasonable Chinese cars out there though.
I think one of the big reasons you see growth in Chinese cars is that European manufacturers have moved more towards creating luxury vehicles when most people just want a run about. If you compare a VW Golf to a Hyundai i30 the Hyundai is around £3k cheaper across all versions, Kia is similar. You've got the option of Stelantis if you really must have the cheapest, for a little more you get a big jump in quality for a Hyundai or if you want to go EV then BYD is the obvious option.
I wouldn't be surprised if part of it is due to changes to benefit in kind tax law a few years back reducing the stock of premium cars on the used car market. My employer used to love giving people BMW 1 Series as company cars to anyone they could even if they didn't have to travel for work.
Doug__Quaid@reddit
Are they cheap cheap? Loads of MGs around my way
niteninja1@reddit
top of the line fully kitted out mg m4 is £300 a month on finance.
a 2nd hand one with sub 30k is 180 a month
GreyFoxNinjaFan@reddit
The cheap and unreliable "made in China" moniker moved quite a while ago to the "made in India" one. But even India's complex manufacturing has improved now.
Let's not forget that many Suzuki's are now built in India and Suzuki has one of the best reputations for reliability in the market these days.
Duanedoberman@reddit
Because they have looked at what customers want and excelled at it.
We are only seeing the begining of what they are doing and it is no longer shoddy goods. Tesla has 3 factories world wide. US, Germany and China and the convention amongst Tesla owners is that Chinese built cars are the best quality, the US is the one to avoid.
BYD have brought in the top designer who has worked for Mercedes, Alfa and Ferrari, and his designs are rally paying dividends. From the standard BYD line up which is cheaper and offering better tech than its rivals, to the Yang Wang prestige badge which has built the U9, the fastest production car in the world and its an EV, to the U8 a land-rover style of roader which can float for a guaranteed 30 mins and is steerable in water.
That's just BYD, in China if the car doesn't have a fridge and massage seats in a basic car, its not going to sell.
Electronic-Stay-2369@reddit
Cheap and lots of advertising. Until it comes to needing parts...
MassiveMonkeyy@reddit
They’re cheap to lease. No-one’s actually buying them.
No-Snow-9605@reddit
High spec and low price, as long as you're not a "car snob" ,also the dealership does repairs then it's the way to go.
NotMyRealName981@reddit
One explanation I've heard is that the Chinese manufacturers (and Tesla) build cars in a limited number of configurations, but in large enough quantities that they are able to maintain stocks of ready-to-buy cars in the countries where the customers are. This allows customers to obtain new cars in weeks, rather than waiting months for the car to be custom-built in the factory and shipped.
I don't know how generally true this is, but I've been waiting a couple of months for a non-Chinese car to be built in a factory in France.
Obvious_Arm8802@reddit
Recently bought a Chinese car and it was only sold in 4 colours and with no options or different spec levels.
There’s just one choice, and it has everything. Had it in a week.
Ok-Explanation1990@reddit
This video by Marques Brownlee summed it up for me
https://youtu.be/Mb6H7trzMfI?si=1oJ-PFKarRa7DDUk
franki-pinks@reddit
I was given a Jaecoo by a lease company to trial as I’m after ten company cars. Said I could have it for a month and gave it back after a week. Absolute wank.
CNRADMSN@reddit
Enshittification of legacy brands for the most part.
Proof will be in the pudding when it comes to what these cars are like to service in 5 years time compared to a Ford or VW for example, but if they take off like the manufacturers are anticipating then I'm sure it wont be much of an issue.
Budget-Ad-2510@reddit
China chose to subsidise manufacturing costs of EVs, the UK chose to subsidise purchase costs (through tax breaks). It was fairly obvious what would happen.
If you want to tackle this then UK tax relief shouldn't be available on Chinese EVs.
Less_Party@reddit
They're cheap. That's it, that's the secret.
LordMogroth@reddit
Temo Land Rovers, full of gadgets and stuff, you can get for £399 per month on 0% finance.
Scotto6UK@reddit
I saw something saying they're the car version of a dry robe.
BastardsCryinInnit@reddit
It still is.
Not really, it's that people dont have much money anymore, so cheaper things become more socially acceptable.
Remember when it was embarassing to go Lidl or Aldi?? Now look at us.
I think very few who buy a Jaecoo thinks they are buying high quality.
stonesco@reddit
Cheap and State Investment / Subsidies / Support from the Chinese Government.
Another is that the perception is changing. After all some western car brands like Volvo are already majority owned by Chinese businesses such as Geely.
Another reason is that car manufacturers in the West alongside countries with huge manufacturing history when it comes to vehicles / transportation have realised they can no longer compete.
This is why they have started merging / considering mergers or working more closely with other car manufacturers than they would in the last couple of years.
scrotalsac69@reddit
I read the other day that there are issues getting insurance on a number of the Chinese cars due to worries on parts and supply chains
LieutBromhead@reddit
Cheap but they levelled up their manufacturing thanks to Apple in this field. Great read here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-China-Capture-Greatest-Company/dp/1398534390/ref=asc_df_1398534390?mcid=9a6795bfdf1d3ff68158b7a382c2d981&th=1&psc=1&tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=747964541433&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9789569244366546381&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9192635&hvtargid=pla-2440622957226&psc=1&hvocijid=9789569244366546381-1398534390-&hvexpln=0&gad_source=1
MadmanBimbo@reddit
High quality, weren’t afraid to embrace EV.
Not over priced.
Ok-Cold3937@reddit
Because people have now got so ingrained into buying any old shit so long as it’s cheap.
poshbakerloo@reddit
I'd say it is because our western governments have been messing around with the car market with the 2030/2035 EV deadline meaning legacy car producers have been struggling to quickly design new EVs at a reasonable price. China took advantage of this mess we made for ourselves by pulling out a load of cheap EVs out of the blue, because they can - and to be fair on them, why wouldn't they?
jamesdownwell@reddit
Whilst a lot of people in the West were falling for Boomer memes and fossil fuel shills saying that “aCktshuLlllY, eLectRic caRs aRe BaD fOR the enViRomenT,” and “tHeY cAn’T go veErY far!”
the Chinese government gave EV makers massive incentives and support to not only electrify the car fleet of China but to create a valuable export market. Couple that with relatively low production costs in China now we have China so far ahead in the EV market everyone else is trying to play catch up.
Triordie@reddit
Cheap , advanced tech, cheap
cutluv@reddit
New cars are so expensive. These newer brands are providing consumers with optons that are competitively priced.
HatOfFlavour@reddit
A decade or so ago the Chinese market saw they were making what were considered bad Internal Combustion Engine cars so they could focus on them more or embrace the future of Electric Vehicles and try to get in on the ground floor of those instead of eventually pivoting and still being a decade behind.
So they invited Tesla, told Musk he would be a special boy where his would be the only company that wouldn't need to be part owned by the Chinese Government and they'd pay for the factory as China really wanted to make Tesla's.
Then they copied the Tesla factory and made much, much more of everything the Tesla factory needed and stolen Tesla's intellectual property and used it to make their own EVs.
They also did this with Russian fighter jets. They also did it with EVERYTHING manufactured in China. If they could upskill they would copy. They were also churning out university graduates so they've started to innovate in EVs now they have a steady ground floor in the industry.
Everyone else has lagged behind.
Bruvas78@reddit
I'd be concerned with part availability, and not just replacement panels for a bump. Brakes, coil springs, calipers, exhausts... Having to pay over the odds for a manufacturer only part is one thing, having the car off road while the back order is waiting is the other.
jackyboiiii95@reddit
I think brands like Omoda and Jaecoo come from the Chinese manufacturer Chery, who have existed since the 90s. IIRC, these subsidiaries were set up specifically to target overseas markets, and they don’t sell these cars in China at all.
blue30@reddit
Just good enough quality, agressive pricing
tetartoid@reddit
I mean, go and have a look at a BYD Seal in a showroom. I think you'll be astonished at how many features come as standard, which you'd have to pay thousands of pounds extra for in a non-Chinese vehicle.
Fondant_Decent@reddit (OP)
Good shout, I will go round to see my local showroom this week
romeo__golf@reddit
The Chinese makers are offering them cheaply, largely through business leasing (so they're company cars/fleet cars) which makes them popular with businesses who are more concerned about low costs than "what looks nice on the drive".
This increases their presence, makes them familiar, and when they hit the used market they're again exceptionally good value and appeal to those who need transport and aren't interested as much in the status their car gives them or the perceived quality.
Over time, as they become more prevalent, the conversation around Chinese build-quality will either set them back or be proved wrong and they'll become just another mainstream brand.
It's the same method Kia/Hyundai used 25 years ago to break into a new European market.
Klakson_95@reddit
They're cheap and decent enough quality
Ok_Chipmunk_7066@reddit
Often a third of the price than a Tesla and, frankly, better quality currently.
Tesla is overdue a new range/model
fukthefeed@reddit
My company gave me an MG HS whilst I was waiting for my company car to be ordered and arrive.
I really didn’t want it when it came, but actually if I was paying for this myself, I’d consider one. Was smooth, worked, efficient (hybrid) comfy, had plenty of tech. I liked it.
chefshoes@reddit
they look good, cheaper than western versions and plentiful.
thing is we have been buying stuff made in china for decades just this time theyre branding it.
badger906@reddit
A lot of cars from all nations contain an awful lot of Chinese parts. So it’s not really a Chinese invasion of cars, and more just honest branding lol. Even with my very Japanese car I was hard pressed to find a part that didn’t say “made in China” when I was removing parts of the interior
NaveedQ@reddit
So what's a good cheap car these days then?
Plus_Pangolin_8924@reddit
Pound for Pound they offer more than western legacy manufactures and a build quality that is the same. Along with most people not really caring about the brand of car they drive they see lots of features for not much.
Martipar@reddit
Partly due to investing in electric when other countries ignored it. Now the rest of the world is behind China in tech.
>I always thought historically “Made in China” was perceived as low quality or fake, is that perception now changing?
No. Manufacturing started to move to China in the 1980s and it's always been variable in quality, plenty of high end gear is made in China however due to the sheer number of manufacturers out there there's a lot of crap too. We are quite cpable of making crap here in the UK too though, take this 1980s Amstrad for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqzrm_4_B94
SplodgySplodge1@reddit
Chinese companies aimed their EVs at the cheaper end of the market. All the European car companies went for the high end of the market, which turned out to be a big mistake.
It's not all rosy for the Chinese EV makers though. They've saturated their own market and are now involved in a fight to the death with one another. They've effectively dumped their excess EVs on the European market at knock down prices in hopes of outlasting their rivals. Lots of these Chinese companies are going to go bust.
Separate-Region2070@reddit
They're significantly cheaper than other EV's!
Stoned_urf@reddit
Also, the build quality is top-notch with various functionality already included, not as extra add-ons.
FinalEdit@reddit
Isn't it obvious? Price is a huge motivator and the quality is decent enough too.
People that buy EVs are focused on the cost savings of the fuel, so it makes sense that translates also to the cost of the vehicle.
Basic stuff.
Opulantmindcaster@reddit
Appealing to the cheap British public.
I’m more than convinced that the entire Chinese car industry is piggy backing a state sponsored digital espionage campaign. I know I sound like a tin foil hat wearing loon. But I’m convinced.
Rebelology@reddit
Considering everything is already made in China.... No
Special-Audience-426@reddit
I'd rather China have all my information than the US.
China will only use it to sell me shite.
showmethemundy@reddit
A 7 seater for 23 grand....
Both-Silver-8783@reddit
Read an article yesterday saying getting car insurance for many Chinese cars is difficult to impossible. Insurers need to be sure the supply chain for spare parts is functioning OK. If parts aren’t readily available it would mean damaged cars are off the road for an inordinate length of time. If a new manufacturer finds they are losing money they may withdraw from the marketplace. Leaving the owner or in this case the insurer with a worthless car.
Own-Jeweler3169@reddit
It's because the made in china stuff is pretty much propaganda, you are not ordering your car off Temu, and with the fact many families are really feeling the pressure of the economy, it just makes sense as you get a lot of car for your money. China are very technologically advanced, and perhaps they deliver 95% of the quality at 33% + lower price, it's a no brainer for many.
Plus cars are a RIP OFF, largest depreciating asset purhcase for many, and PCPs are killing many therefore you get people buying these chinese cars, which AFAIK are good quality, and value.
Willz_of_Rivia@reddit
People love cheap shite
Fondant_Decent@reddit (OP)
True 😂
BrillsonHawk@reddit
They are extremely cheap compared to western brands like VW, Land River, etc
The Chinese car companies are all heavily subsidised by the Chinese government, which is why they are cheap. As long as you don't mind the CCP listening to your conversations there is nothing wrong with the quality of the cars.
Just be careful with servicing costs, as they can be high and spare parts can also be difficult to source
Difficult-Practice12@reddit
correct answer here.
F_DOG_93@reddit
Cheap finance deals. And Brits LOVE finance deals as we are obsessed with vanity.
CaptainRAVE2@reddit
Cheap and simple offering a lot of features. I’ve very much changed my perception of ‘Made in China’, in fact they manufacture a lot of stuff better than the rest do now. Miles ahead with battery tech.
Optimal_Collection77@reddit
They made electronics cheap now they are doing cars.
They couldn't compete on the combustion engine but EVs are totally different
PsychologicalDish430@reddit
Cheap, I wouldn't have one personally but people seem to like them.
Tight-Principle-743@reddit
They’re cheap… very very cheap.
I_am_Reddit_Tom@reddit
Cheap. EV specialists.
duvagin@reddit
BRICS economics
Away-Dig5292@reddit
So it’s not really a sudden takeover. It’s a mix of price pressure, better quality than before, strong EV tech, and buyers focusing more on value than badge history. The perception is changing because the product itself changed first.
Lonely-Department329@reddit
They are cheap. Chinese labour costs in car production are 30% lower than anywhere else in the world. Plus they are ahead of the world in terms of automation and robotics in car production, so need less people anyway. Throw in government support and they can undercut everyone.
Chery, who sell Chery, Jaecoo and Omoda cars did the right thing in the UK and built up a dealer network and spare parts distribution network before pushing for sales.
Belterhaze31@reddit
Cheap cars on cheap deals fueled by manufactures paying for 5 star reviews
It’s kinda well documented in the car enthusiast community
https://youtu.be/945BQ72RGyQ?si=GS1xgfE90bj4fmej
External-Piccolo-626@reddit
They’ve flooded the market with cheap monthly deals.
Hour-Background-7932@reddit
Price
Japhet_Corncrake@reddit
It's because Jaecoo based their grille on Chick Hicks from Cars.
Ka-jigga!
GrubGrower@reddit
Cheap finance deals.
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