One of the biggest mysteries is how Orcas, the ocean’s most efficient predators, have never attacked humans in the wild… almost like they know something we don’t.
Posted by MrUpVoteDownvote@reddit | whales | View on Reddit | 487 comments
captainfalcon200523@reddit
We’re just not worth the effort. We’re lean, quite bony, and not to mention the damage we do and are capable of
Internal_Praline_658@reddit
With our tiny tiny livers. We ain’t worth the trouble
BilboBeutl7n@reddit
Orcas consume up to 140 different types of creatures of all different sizes. Therefore, the size of the human liver is likely not the reason why orcas do not eat humans.
verbalyabusiveshit@reddit
We either just taste like shit or no one ever noticed how orcas eat humans
infamouscaveman@reddit
This is true, most animals will kill us over territory on occasion. They almost never eat us though, I think it's because of all the crap we put in our bodies lol
infamouscaveman@reddit
Though certain species of crocodiles and polar bears will actively hunt and kill us.
Sketched2Life@reddit
In 1972 a Californian surfer was bit on the leg by an orca. It didn't go after the surfer, it just let go. So i conclude: We humans probably taste bad.
ExcitementStrict7115@reddit
That's all the scientific evidence I need.
verbalyabusiveshit@reddit
Humans… the skunk of the ocean ?
ElChickenGrande@reddit
Get out of here. Stupid science bitch.
tkh0812@reddit
Speak for yourself my liver is massively inflamed
djalma_21@reddit
With favas and chianti 🤌
LennyLoerres@reddit
Damn, did not expect a MSN quote here.
Dye-ah-ree-uh@reddit
Hahaha! Reddit, always Lecter-ing people!
Renhoek2099@reddit
Fefefef
Stormtrooper1776@reddit
Ahh the Foie gras alla tkh , a true delicacy.
Altruistic-One-4497@reddit
its inflamed but also half destroyed so not tasty
ElChickenGrande@reddit
This guy fucks
azzanrev@reddit
Cheers brother.
zatalak@reddit
For the orcas!
Pewpew-OuttaMyWaay@reddit
Lol
zane_ian@reddit
We probably just don't taste very good.
nicxue97@reddit
In the water taste doesn't matter much. Their taste receptors probably barely work. The above comment about not being nutritious enough is right on the money. Not enough fat on us
No-Economist8663@reddit
So if a very fat human fell into the water it's a different story then?
nicxue97@reddit
Well, there's also the fact that we've practically only been in the water for a hundred years or so (in a consistent swimming capacity), so they haven't had time to develop hunting strategies for eating us efficiently anyway. But they can probably tell how much fat we have based on certain cues like echolocation. Dolphins need to be very efficient when it comes to feeding because their basal metabolic rate is very high, and stroking up their blubber layer is vital not only for energy reserves, but for streamlining, buoyancy control, and insulation as well.
phriendlyphellow@reddit
What? I’m genuinely confused by the claim that humans have “only been in the water for a hundred years or so.”
Help me understand?
nicxue97@reddit
We have been sailing and living on the coast for thousands and thousands of years sure. But we've only been swimming, diving, spear fishing frequently in large numbers and in their habitats vary recently
FilmScoreConnoisseur@reddit
You say that as if Orcas only live in a handful of places. They don't. They're in every ocean and visit sections of every coastline. And so do we and we've been doing that since before we were even recognizably human. The idea that we need to do that in huge numbers seems ridiculous. It's not like rare interaction has prevented them from learning how to eat moose, for instance.
nicxue97@reddit
The amount of people that are in the water now vs a few hundred years ago to millenia is orders of magnitude larger, meaning that the interaction rate is much higher too
FilmScoreConnoisseur@reddit
Irrelevant. As I said, other animals that an orca almost never encounters are still on the menu somehow, but we aren't. You're attached to a half baked explanation, but I'm not buying it.
nicxue97@reddit
Well, if you're referring to a moose, they have been in their environment for millions of years, and have to swim between islands channels that are commonly frequented by orca. They are still not a significant part of their diet. Humans in those environments don't swim, so they can't really come in close contact with them. In warm waters where humans have been swimming in for a relatively "long time" orca tend to be specialists that prey on fish and squid
Independent-Map7523@reddit
That is complete nonsense
nicxue97@reddit
Ok
phriendlyphellow@reddit
I’m still unsure I follow.
Are you familiar with Polynesia or Vikings?
nicxue97@reddit
These people, and hundreds of other cultures around the world sailed (for the most part). They didn't swim recreationally. Nowadays people by the thousands are in the water for hours swimming, snorkeling, diving, free diving, spearfishing, surfing and so much more. We are in their environment by a different order of magnitude so their encounters with us are far more frequent.
FilmScoreConnoisseur@reddit
Polynesians didn't swim recreationally? Lol what? They literally invented surfing.
nicxue97@reddit
Yeah not as often as we do now, and inspite of orcas frequentong Polynesian islands, they are far more infrequent as in more temperate regions and Continental coastlines
FreefallVin@reddit
I'm not sure about this bit. A human in the water would be the easiest kill ever. Look at our swimming ability compared to the other animals they hunt. The hunting strategy would literally be swim up and eat.
nicxue97@reddit
They don't know that. We might have some hidden weapon or ability. We are also unpredictable. I think they also have somewhat of a sense of our intelligence, which might dissuade them for some reason. They still take dolphins and seals though, which might be considered pretty smart anyway
Independent-Map7523@reddit
It is in fact not right on the money. They are picky eaters who learn what to hunt/eat early in life. We are just not on the menu.
nicxue97@reddit
How do you think they develop new hunting strategies if they only learn what to eat early in life? They can learn new techniques, it just takes a while to develop and spread.
Some are picky, some are generalists when it comes to prey taxa, what matters is the overall macros in their diet. Their top priority in adulthood is fat to maintain body condition, whilst earlier in life its protein to foster growth. The menu for animals is whatever they deem worth spending energy catching and digesting. If their cost benefit analysis for us deems us unfit, then they won't waste time eating us.
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
IMO the theory that orcas will avoid eating mammals that are too bony/low in fat content doesn't really seem to hold up, as mammal-eating Bigg's (transient) orcas off of Alaska are known to prey on sea otters.
Karious777@reddit
Adding to your point of too bony/low in fat content, the 27s (a pod in Scotland) have regularly been seen hunting sea birds specifically Eider duck chicks.
I have always thought this idea that Orcas don’t/wouldn’t attack a human a bit silly. If anyone got in the water with Antarctic Type B1 Orca they would almost certainly eat them given the attempts made on Captain Scott’s expedition team. I believe the frozen planet filming team also experienced wave washing attacks on their boats.
I think the real answer to this is done through a question. How many people are regularly in the water with mammal eating Killer whales really? I’m willing to bet face to face encounters are significantly less than other species that have man eaters.
nicxue97@reddit
Yeah each ecotype is a bit different, and we know the least about the most remote ones. But about your eider point and the otter one before, these are very small animals that might be very easy to kill and consume. Larger prey is more dangerous so they are much more cautious since getting injured can spell disaster for them.
Karious777@reddit
Of course more often than not larger prey is more dangerous but the point wasn’t about avoiding danger it was about avoiding low calories meals.
Honestly if anything we might have the best ratio for calories spent hunting vs calories consumed, because we have zero defence, we’re slow, can’t swim well, very fragile and we can drown. The effort to kill us would be minimal and the risk would be zero.
nicxue97@reddit
Well, they only take large prey when there are several of them so it minimizes risks. But as far as we go, it might be difficult for them to get enough meat and fat without also consuming large and long bones that they can't digest. A seal has all its blubber on the outside so it's easier to rip it off and eat it. Large whales or dolphins have large livers or tongues to consume without needing to also touch bones. Out meat to muscle/fat/organ ratio might be too high for them to make it worth it. Lean muscle isn't that calorie dense.
Karious777@reddit
This just rolls back around to what u/SuryaThrowaway12 was saying, there’s evidence for Orca hunting prey that fall into that same low calorie/not worth the effort category.
Take a look at your calves right now, there’s a lot more to eat there than and Eider duck chick, same with your thighs and it really wouldn’t be that hard for an orca to make all your insides, outside.
The not worth it argument really just doesn’t hold up and that’s without mentioning surplus killing. Orca regularly hunt and kill animals to use them as props to teach the younger members of the group how to effectively hunt without consuming any of what they’ve just killed.
nicxue97@reddit
The examples you're mentioning are much smaller than a person and might not constitute a significant part of their diet. They might be supplementing their diets with eiders or otters or penguins every now and then, but the primary prey is typically far more nutritious. Since those things are so small, killing and eating them or using them as props is very easy. A human might be unpredictable and thus might present a danger, they're not very nutritious compared to staple prey, and haven't been interacting frequently with them for very long so we're unknowns. At the end of the day we can't know for sure why they don't hunt us. Maybe it's because they recognize our intelligence, maybe it's because wetsuits taste like shit. The leading hypothesis is that we're predominantly not worth it, anyone can come up with a paper and submit it to a journal if they feel like they have a better theory.
donjamos@reddit
Sea otters don't have a thumb they ram into your eyes if you attack them.
nicxue97@reddit
Yeah I mean they're also known to take moose from time to time. They might develop hunting strategies if they deem the prey worth it, but they need to spend a few thousand years in their environment.
Bohica55@reddit
It’s crazy that Orca are a known predator of moose.
CrazyCatLady9777@reddit
Dude I've just read up on that and it gets even more crazy. Moose are excellent swimmers, they can dive up to 6 meters (20 feet) deep and hold their breath for up to 60 seconds. I would've never guessed.
FilmScoreConnoisseur@reddit
They spend a lot of time eating water plants.
disgostin@reddit
also what, have they never ever met a somewhat strongly overweight human
dcblock90@reddit
Yea I don’t buy that theory either, and I also don’t buy the theory that we need to spend thousands of years swimming next to them to be put on the menu.
It is well documented that orcas have helped whalers hunt for hundreds of years, orcas know what we are capable of. I’m pretty sure they can figure out that if we can drag a sperm whale and every other type of whale up on to the deck of a ship that they could face the same fate if they started preying on humans. Hell, the native Alaskans hunt grey and bowhead whale, they could easily take out a much smaller orca if they truly wanted.
Icy-Purple4801@reddit
Have they not been around a very obese tourist swimming? I wonder if that would do it…. Although it does seem like most of the interactions are out far enough that it’s usually fitter people.
someone should check this out for science.
nicxue97@reddit
Yes, most people spending most time in the water are usually leaner. Remember they can practically see inside of you with their sonar so they know what you're made of
bzzz241088@reddit
You mean, they would never experience the taste of a 200$ steak even if offered? Poor bastards
Round_Bag_4665@reddit
We dont. Sharks know this too. The only reason they bite us at all is because they unlike orcas, have shit eyesight and frequenly mistake humans for other things.
Daedalus871@reddit
In general, yes. Maybe not so much nowadays, but we’re historically lean and bony.
Also, Orcas like to eat what they grew up eating. A seal eating orca won’t typically hunt salmon and a salmon eating orca won’t hunt eat seals. There just haven’t ever been enough humans in the water for them to get the taste.
phriendlyphellow@reddit
I haven’t considered this before. Could you share your sources?
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Orcas can be so culturally conservative and selective in their diets that there have been cases where they have shown a preference to starve rather than eat something they have not been taught to eat by their mothers or podmates. They often don't seem to recognize species they aren't taught to eat as being potential food. And even to mammal-eating orcas, humans are probably quite odd-looking compared to other animals orcas have been familiar with for millions of years. Humans just don't bear any close resemblance to their prey.
The endangered fish-eating Southern Resident orcas have been periodically malnourished due to not getting enough salmon, particularly Chinook salmon, to eat, yet they do not eat marine mammals (despite the high abundance in their habitat) or even certain types of fish that may be higher in abundance.
Captured mammal-eating Bigg's (transient) orcas, such as the T2 family captured in 1970, have also refused to eat fish given to them by their captors even when starving. There were also divers swimming in the net pen that held these hungry orcas, but the orcas weren't interesting in preying on them either. There were even some local children that rowed out to the net pen holding the orcas, and the orcas would allow the children to pet them. Grant Lawrence, a CBC radio personality, covers this in his Whale Tale podcast.
Bool_The_End@reddit
It is very well documented -
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/feature-story/comparing-killer-whale-cuisine
phriendlyphellow@reddit
Thanks!
ElBosque91@reddit
This is probably the best answer. We aren’t prey to them. And unlike sharks which sometimes attack humans by mistake, echolocation means orcas won’t mistake humans in murky water for a seal or a fish.
koi88@reddit
Like chicken, they say.
Everything tastes like chicken.
Except for chicken. Chicken has no taste.
219_Infinity@reddit
Pork actually
godofwine16@reddit
Longpig
potliquorz@reddit
You should eat some yard bird if you think chicken has no taste.
Ratk1ng_1@reddit
They kill stuff for fun though
Ok_Shoulder8124@reddit
Humans too
zane_ian@reddit
Then we are probably game intro/tutorial level of fun for them.
Fancy_Comfortable382@reddit
It's that Neopren skin that tastes terrible.
Pizza-Rex-L@reddit
Well, you don’t know before you try
Highpingkilledmydog@reddit
I vaguely remember that sharks only nibble on humans but rarely eat us because they don't like the taste of us.
Impossible_Falcon962@reddit
How would they know?
ShowAccurate6339@reddit
Their not stupid
I mean take One Look at us and then Look at what a Orca normaly eats and youll Think we’re minutes away from starvation
BurtleTurtle001@reddit
Kinda what I was thinking, we just aren't what it wants to eat, lol.
Different-Group1603@reddit
Supposedly, orcas pass down information through generations and know that humans can be vengeful.
Ralphito999@reddit
And we taste like chemicals.... probably
bunnibly@reddit
Probably smell like chemicals
What_Dinosaur@reddit
There's no thought process going on every time they see a human, we're just not on their menu as a species.
MainCartographer6645@reddit
Lo del daño no tiene sentido, el resto si. Una orca no puede saber cómo funcionan nuestras armas o cuchillos. 1 porque no podrían concebir su concepto y 2 porque simplemente nunca las atacamos activamente en cuerpo a cuerpo. Además a parte de la pica, porque comerías algo, que para tí no es comida, no párese comida, ni huele, ni se escucha o mueve como la comida. Además de que no compete directamente por los recursos ni es agresiva con tigo (Por lo tanto nunca nos pueden morder y probarnos). De echo muchas orcas le roban a los barcos pesqueros y posiblemente no no conciban el echo de que un barco enorme es una heramienta nuestras.
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
I think it worth noting that orcas are not only able to use simple tools, but make them as well. So they are to grasp the concept of tool use. This does not prove that they actually understand what various advanced human tools are, but I would not dismiss this as being a possibility.
MainCartographer6645@reddit
Si pero, no hay manera de explicarle o que entiendan como funciona una pistola o un arpón. Incluso a nuestra especie las armas de fuego le parecía magia cuando los colonos llegaron a América y ellos ya tenían el concepto de arma a distancia.
No digo que sea imposible pero una orca salvaje ¿cuánta interacion podría tener con los humanos, en toda su vida? O con los busos que hacen pesca sub marina y que en el momento que vieran una orca, se alejarian de la zona no por miedo, sino porque ya no van a poder pescar nada.
Digamos que si tienen la capacidad cerebral de poder llegar a entender que son heramientas avanzadas humanas. Pero simplemente no tienen el tiempo suficiente para poder hacerlo y aún así no creo que puedan razonar al punto de decir en su lenguaje cetacio el equivalente de "herramienta" que es algo indispensable, para poder entender algo en profundidad.
La capacidad de abtracion y difusión de una idea, es más importante que la observación personal de un individuo, porque la verbalización de un concepto resuena con una característica cognitiva comun de la especie y le da una identidad unica y las características claras de este concepto en específico.
El mismo caso se dio en estudio con los chimpanzes, que sabian lenguaje de señas aunque se les enseño la palabra edificio, y vieron a los humanos contruir uno en tiempo real, cuando le preguntaron que era eso dijeron montaña.
Aunque sabían que no era una montaña igual al resto.
Wonderplace@reddit
We don’t do damage when we are floating in the water or on a paddleboard tho - we are completely defenceless and vulnerable!
Starfire2313@reddit
But we cut trees down and mutilated them into floaties that we used to defy our very nature as land animals to cruise the seas and hunt sea animals so much larger and more beautiful and emotionally intelligent than ourselves….we are monsters!
Does anyone know the history on humans hunting Orcas? Do they know how many of them we ever kidnapped for sea world? I bet none of the orcas that ever killed humans while the whales were in captivity were ever released. I bet they have mythologies about us warning their children to leave us alone.
azaghal1502@reddit
Afaik Orcas weren't hunted industrially, they're comparatively small and lean, sonot worth it compared to spermwhales and the large bayleen whales for fat.
PlantyAnt@reddit
Orcas were usually not hunted for their meat/oil (although countries like Japan, Norway and Russia still did kill around 50 per year for human and animal consumption up until the 80s), but in many areas fishermen killed Orcas whenever they could to stop them from eating the same fish the fishermen were trying to catch. This practice culminated in the 50s when the US Navy killed perhaps hundreds of Orcas in the North Atlantic on the request of Iceland's government by shooting them from airplanes with machine guns and dropping depth charges on them.
So while Orcas were not really part of the early modern whaling industry they were basically treated as pests until quite recently.
azaghal1502@reddit
I really didn't know about that. Fuck greedy people :(
TotallyInOverMyHead@reddit
Depth charges ? How THIS is how they should have dealt with Timmy.
Lounging-Shiny455@reddit
they just saw little monkeys hunting the giant whales from inside a big tough wooden whale that swims only on top of the water and thought: best leave it alone.
CrystaIynn@reddit
The one human right now probably won‘t do much, but they know that when they kill this one defenseless human, 20 more will come and they will have terrifying weapons and be out for revenge.
MutherFunker123@reddit
I think you missed the boat
noturaveragesenpaii@reddit
SOME of us are built different
Any_Negotiation7098@reddit
Has anyone who's fat... sorry, I mean, of course, someone with a higher body weight... No! I mean someone with a body weight challenge, tried this yet?
Niwi_@reddit
They kill stingrays to operare the liver out of them and leave the rest. Idk if they care about how lean we are.
ArtiBartFaster@reddit
Some orcas eat birds - so we can't be that small and bony.
They probably just get the stink of petrol, plastic, metals and chemicals off us So we smell like artificial inedible poisonous garbage.
Technical_Role743@reddit
That or we gave their ancestors terrible gas…
Independent-Map7523@reddit
It's probably because Orcas are picky eaters that learn from their parents what to hunt and eat. If they learned that we are food early in life, they'd eat us, too.
Educational_Cup_1701@reddit
You're saying that orcas are an unadventurous lot. Not willing to try new foods - or do anything they're not already fully familiar with. But that's not the characteristic of an intelligent specifies.
Slow_Flatworm_881@reddit
And usually taste of rubber…….
nexytuz_@reddit
Shouldn’t they test it first before coming to that conclusion?
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Because of how conservative they are, orcas aren't really the type of animals to "test" out potential new prey.
As stated by whale biologist Olga Filatova:
Zoologist Dr. Lance Barrett-Lenard also states the following about orca behaviour:
Anecdotal evidence could suggest that orcas may be discouraged by their mothers from eating anything outside of their taught diets. One such captured Bigg's orca mother seemed quite unhappy after seeing her presumed son accept fish from a trainer. Both of these orcas were eventually released.
nexytuz_@reddit
Thanks, appreciate the effort
captainfalcon200523@reddit
They’ve got echolocation to see how we’re built. Plus with the proximity we have to them, they already know
DesrtDust@reddit
But how do they know?
Lis_Tris@reddit
Even Sharks only get a bite most of the time. We must be quite disgusting 🫨
WeArePandey@reddit
The damage we do? Dude, these guys kill sharks for fun
UnusualCartographer2@reddit
Well it's not actually that in particular. That definitely helps I guess, but we've never been on the menu to begin with so they don't know that as a species.
Some orca don't eat tuna. And I'm not saying that refuse to eat it, they simply don't see it as food. They are capable of eating tuna, as many pods around the world do just fine, but there are many large populations of orca that haven't learned they can do that.
Due to their intelligence, they learn what's on the menu from other orca, passing down what and what not to eat down generationally by seeing what other members of their pod eat. So theoretically if an orca did eat a human and enjoyed it, they could then do it again in front of other younger orca, teaching them that we're on the menu.
TheRedHandedOne@reddit
Actually considering that it’s very likely some time far in the past the first orcas did try us and decided we were gross. What is and isn’t food is cultural and passed down from mother to child, which is why two pods in the same place can have totally different diets and coexist just fine.
Evening-Statement-57@reddit
We are sun fish
el_dingusito@reddit
Yet we're tasty when dipped into the appropriate sauce
captainfalcon200523@reddit
Chile verde I’d say
el_dingusito@reddit
Oooh, i think a chile verde or a chimichurri would be a wonderful addition!
Fun_Pilot4555@reddit
Then watch the orca who is sinking fisher boats becazse one human dared him
captainfalcon200523@reddit
Did he attack the guy after?
petisa82@reddit
BUT they did attack boats and made them sink.
captainfalcon200523@reddit
Yeah, boats. But not anyone in the water
Wise_Fig1840@reddit
We were wailing not that long ago. On massive, scary ships. They know what we can do and their ancestors saw it firsthand. Do not piss off the humans
searchlinkprofile@reddit
total bs, there`s no fucking way we cost more effort or taste worse than a seal. If they understand the long term consequences of killing a human, meaning they understand the concept of retaliation, then that`s a whole different level of intelligence.
captainfalcon200523@reddit
Cost more meaning that they don’t get much out. We are way less nutritionally dense than they are, plus our organs are naturally much smaller. And you’re right, they might not understand the concept of retaliation, but orca’s have been around the entire time we’ve been in the oceans. They don’t need to understand revenge, they already know that we’re dangerous
Titanguy101@reddit
I dont think they care how nutrituous the target is given they toy with and kill sunfish
They're either aware of the consequences or really good at killing people when an opportunity arises that no one lives to tell the tale
Eschatologists@reddit
Sure, but it's still strange for such a very intelligent and curious animal not to have any deviant behaviours. It's strange that not a single individual ever attacked a human
Full_Jicama_5872@reddit
yeah I'm sure the orcas are conceptualizing the destruction humanity is capable of
kitesurfr@reddit
Have you seen what most humans diet looks like? Those more intelligent animals can smell the msg and other bullshit we secrete and want nothing to do with tasting us.
MrDeviantish@reddit
Or they are just really good at hiding the evidence.
FrenchPetrushka@reddit
I prefer to think that a long time ago there was a war between orcas and humans. Since then peace has been restored but both never forgot the cost of those sea battles. They never forgot about our tools and numbers and we never forgot about their teeth and intelligence.
But you are surely right :)
suscombobulated@reddit
This was never a mystery. The books said that's why shark don't attack humans normally either. We have serial killers instead.
erossthescienceboss@reddit
FR - they have echolocation. They know we don’t have blubber.
LPGeoteacher@reddit
Humans taste like crap, and Orcas don’t have ketchup.
CleverName9999999999@reddit
A new market for the people at Heinz.
Tll6@reddit
That’s assuming every orca in modern history knows that humans are too lean and too bony to be worth the effort. Seems improbable for that to be the reason
jimjamalama@reddit
Idk I’ve seen them explode smaller fish
jeh_kitty@reddit
We taste bad
Beginning-Town-4979@reddit
Yeah. Leave no witnesses...
roadrunner1875@reddit
I think Orca’s eat what they are taught to eat by elder members of their pod. As humans are not regularly part of that ecosystem they wouldn’t be recognised as prey. It’s like how only certain groups of orca will hunt great whites. They have to learn that behaviour from somewhere.
MsBuzzkillington83@reddit
Same with sharks actually, most shark breeds have zero interest in eating people but their eyesight is pretty awful. I guess they aren't as picky as orcas tho considering there's a whole sub species of orca going extinct because they can't get enough of the specific type of salmon they like so they're way
Queef-Sweat@reddit
Orcas be like: Too easy, I like a challenge.
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Apparently this is a curious mother orca from the Eastern Tropical Pacific (ETP).
These orcas are mainly observed off of regions such as Mexico (mainly in the Sea of Cortez off of Baja California Sur) and the Galapagos Islands, but they also made headlines after traveling up to Southern California. These are the same orcas that hunt other dolphins and whales. Eastern Tropical Pacific orcas may have quite generalist diets consisting of but not limited to sharks, rays, sea turtles, fin fishes, other dolphins, and larger cetaceans. However, there may also ultimately be multiple "ecotypes" of ETP orcas which may specialize in or prefer hunting different types of prey species.
The freediver in the video is bodybuilder Tavi Castro, who was a stuntman for the 2023 Aquaman movie. Original video was taken by Aidan Bedford, who runs BajaRAW tours off of Baja California Sur, Mexico.
Sorry_Community235@reddit
Orcas thinking "oh, those humans seem to be self-aware and intelligent, let's not eat a fellow intelligent being" would say a lot about humans, if true...
elasticparadigm@reddit
Also consider the octopus, it's a solitary creature with immense intelligence. If you look at the history of the cephalopod then you see a time when they ate each other in droves. I theorize that they somehow remember this so they would rather be alone than murder eachother. I can dive a bit more into this theory if anyone is interested.
TurbulentCaregiver23@reddit
I remember seeing an octopus being fed by its caretaker in the Monterey Bay Aquarium. I was quite fascinated because the octupus seemed to have a relationship with the caretaker and wrapped it's tenacles around her arms and helped her feed him. I suppose captivity does this yet it displayed it’s overwhelming intelligence.
mycarisafooked@reddit
I think octopuses eat themselves when they become incredibly stressed - they are highly intelligent
AnarchoDemocracy32@reddit
they probably saw humans hunt whales and other mammals on commercial scale and have it genetically coded that its not worth it, just like some of the african animals will automatically be spooked if they hear human voice,
Severe-Elderberry833@reddit
to say nothing of “oh, those humans seem to be self-aware and intelligent, but they are CRAP at hunting! I better try to help, I’d feel lousy if it starved to death….”
I mean, we all see what happens on r/Feral_Cats and r/birds, and even r/whatsthissnake.
The only thing that surprises me is that they skipped capitalism altogether and jumped straight to Marxism with the yacht attacks….
Specialist_Shock6646@reddit
Meanwhile dolphins: ??? aren't we fellow intelligent beings?
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Wild orcas are often rather "xenophobic" and "conservative" compared to other dolphins. They will usually only interact with other orcas within their own population. Likely due to this "xenophobic" nature and also their status as apex predators, wild orcas typically do not try to socialize with other cetaceans, even if the orcas belong to a population that does not hunt other marine mammals.
There are rare exceptions such as Old Thom, a lone male orca who may be substituting his social needs by associating with Atlantic white-sided dolphins. Pacific white-sided dolphins also approach fish-eating resident orcas, perhaps to seek protection from mammal-eating Bigg's (transient) orcas and to benefit off the orcas' foraging efforts, but the relationship appears to be rather one-sided, as the orcas never approach the dolphins.
Cold-Crab74@reddit
Meanwhile humans be like "I am going to kill and eat the heart of the guy who lives across the river because this world just isn't big enough for the both of us"
No-Economist8663@reddit
But wouldn't all your point basically also work for dolphins? (Except the land part ofc) And orcas don't have a problem hunting them?
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Long-standing cultural traditions and being far more ecologically familiar with dolphins would explain why certain orcas hunt dolphins but none hunt humans. It is the possible theory of mind aspect that raises more questions than answers. But I'll expand a bit.
One of the most important things to know about orcas behaviour is that they are extremely cultural animals.
As is stated by biologists Luke Rendell and Hal Whitehead in their 2001 paper "Culture in whales and dolphins":
Orcas are usually very selective predators. Though orcas as a whole prey on a large amount of different species, they belong to very different populations, and each of these populations has its own unique culture. Many of these populations/communities do not interact or interbreed with each other. Their diets are a major part of each of these cultures. So, due to these cultural reasons, orcas are often unwilling to change from their pod's/community's diet. They aren't really free to choose and switch to different prey species on a whim.
Thus, the most comprehensive theory on why orcas do not desire to eat humans supported by marine biology can be summed up as follows. Orcas learn what to eat from their mothers. These dietary preferences are passed down generations (culturally transmitted) within an orca population. Specific diets form a major part of the cultures of each unique orca community/population. Culture seems to be very important to orcas, and thus orcas will rarely stray outside of the diet they are taught to eat by their podmates. In addition, even to mammal-eating orcas, humans likely simply do bear any resemblance to the various mammals that these orcas are familiar with.
Culture also determines the different social structures, ceremonies/rituals/traditions, social norms, play activities, and more amongst different orca populations.
Now that this has been established, there is more to discuss about the phenomenon of wild orcas attempting to give their food to people.
Basically, the study, which was published in a comparative psychology journal, is yet another piece of evidence that orcas as well as various other cetaceans do seem to view humans as fellow social beings that they could attempt to communicate with. In these encounters involving them attempting to share food with humans, they may be trying to essentially experiment on us to see how we react to them, thus learning more about our behaviour.
Since food-sharing with other orcas often seems to be important to orcas from many populations, perhaps it is not all that surprising that they would try to do the same for us. They seem to be exhibiting a form of cross-species generalized altruism towards humans in these scenarios.
Jared Towers, the executive director of Bay Cetology and leading author of this paper, also mentions that orcas may have theory of mind. This means that they could have the ability to detect and recognize our mental states. This also means that they may recognize that us humans also have our own perspectives and that we also may also be another highly social and intelligent lifeform.
Orcas do not really interact with many other species in this way, usually either ignoring, harassing, or killing other sea creatures. So it seems that orcas see humans a bit differently, perhaps being more similar to themselves. Thus, at times, there are individual orcas that appear to be highly curious about us and what we are doing in their world.
There are a multitude of reasons for the orcas to engage in this behaviour, as stated by the authors of the paper, "Offering items to humans could simultaneously include opportunities for killer whales to practice learned cultural behavior, explore or play and in so doing learn about, manipulate or develop relationships with us. Given the advanced cognitive abilities and social, cooperative nature of this species, we assume that any or all these explanations for, and outcomes of such behavior are possible. These cases suggest that societies of generalized reciprocity are prevalent in some populations of this species and indicate that as in humans, sharing is a cultural by-product used by killer whales outside of their own species to explore relationships within their respective environments."
There are multiple other cases of orcas attempting to share food with humans/boats/cameras not included in the study, such at least one from Australia and this one from Antarctica.
Perhaps the most famous and extensive relationship between humans and orcas was Old Tom's pod forming a cooperative relationship with whalers in Eden, Australia. Perhaps this cooperative relationship was actually started by these orcas approaching and offering humans their food and the humans reciprocating many years ago, or vice versa.
Now that it has been established the orcas both are highly dependent on their respective cultures and also may have theory of mind in regards to how they relate to humans, we can start hypothesizing about the populations of orcas that hunt other dolphins, such as those in the Eastern Tropical Pacific (ETP).
The orcas in the ETP are particularly relevant to this question, because they may have a rather generalist diet that includes other dolphins, as well as rays, sharks, fin fishes, larger whales, and sea turtles (though there could still be multiple different orca "ecotypes" in the ETP).
Since 2019, there has been a sharp increase of tourists booking tours to have the opportunity to swim with the Eastern Tropical Pacific orcas off of Baja California (e.g. out of La Ventana), to the point where local biologists have proposed much stricter regulations. And yet, nobody has been harmed by these orcas that hunt other dolphins.
In fact, one of the accounts of an encounter in the study even mentions that an orca spat out the eyeball of a bottlenose dolphin right in front of the face of a swimmer, which is quite wild.
Other oceanic dolphins are also very intelligent and social creatures. Orcas can learn their calls and may be able to communicate effectively with them once they do. It would be rather surprising if orcas, with their apparent theory of mind, saw themselves as more similar to humans than to other dolphins. And yet, some populations of orcas, including those that have been documented expressing generalized altruism towards humans, ultimately still hunt other dolphins.
So I wonder if in certain orca cultures, other dolphins are seen as acceptable prey, while in other orca cultures, other dolphins are not seen as acceptable prey for reasons beyond diet preferences. Perhaps the orcas that do hunt other dolphins may partially recognize similarities between their species, but still see other dolphin species as being on a lower level than orcas in their culture, and thus acceptable prey. And perhaps for orcas that do not hunt dolphins, dolphins are perceived as being too similar to orcas in their culture to become acceptable prey, even if these orcas are still not interested in socializing with other dolphin species.
The fact that orcas in many populations can be quite xenophobic, both towards orcas from other populations as well towards as other dolphin species, adds another layer to the mystery of why they may still try to initiate contact with and exhibit generalized altruism towards humans.
Perhaps one of the reasons they are more curious about us and are more willing to form some kind of relationship with us is not only because they may perceive us as being on a cognitive level of similar to themselves, but also because we come from a world (dry land) totally alien to them, while they have frequently seen other aquatic species, including other dolphins, for millions of years, and are highly ecologically familiar with them. Some wild orcas, such as "Digit," have appeared to be interested in learning more about humans.
In an old documentary about the famous intentionally-stranding orcas at Punta Norte, Argentina, orcas appeared to befriend local park ranger Roberto Bubas. Dr. Jane Goodall states in the documentary that the orcas wanted Bubas in the water with them because they wanted to experience him and were curious about him as an individual. Bubas may also represent another world (dry land) that these orcas could not experience themselves.
Humans may represent a world that they cannot ever access. Thus, orcas could see forming a relationship with humans as being potentially beneficial to themselves.
chocolate_cooper@reddit
This is interesting as sperm whales also parallel orcas and humans too with their social structures, cultures, diets, and interactions yet clearly orcas and sperm whales dislike each other a lot. Another thing is sperm whales aren't as genetically distinct on population by population basis because male sperm whales do actually travel across clan to clan interacting with different cultures throughout their lives. Idk I just thought that was a cool lil fact
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Thanks for sharing this! From what I understand sperm whale cultural clans are absolutely massive compared to those of resident orcas and other large highly social mammals such as elephants. Resident orcas and elephants may have clans with hundreds or fewer individuals, but Pacific sperm whale clans consist of thousands of individuals,
chocolate_cooper@reddit
Yeah they get pretty large, and you can have three different types of sperm whales living in one area too all speaking different dialects. What I find very interesting though about sperm whales is that there is not a single documented case of a male being aggressive towards females not calves, in fact female sperm whales really don't enjoy having one around
fsmusic98@reddit
Is it like comparing the orca behavior with our ancestors? While we now have a wide information pool about what to eat and what not, our ancestors relied on behaviours and informations they received from their cultural peer group. And eating something unknown could have been a possible danger or life threatening uncertainty they want to rule out?
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
I do think there are certainly parallels. Orcas do appear to be quite "tribal" creatures and stick to their traditions, relying on what their peers have taught them.
As stated by whale biologist Olga Filatova:
Zoologist Dr. Lance Barrett-Lenard also states the following about orca behaviour:
In times of need, the pod matriarch's ecological knowledge and wisdom, attained both through experience and passed down via cultural transmission, may become valuable.
short_longpants@reddit
It makes me wonder how many human everyday activities orcas/dolphins/etc. have seen. Do they know what we eat? How we eat? How we entertain ourselves? What human babies/children look like? etc. I remember a video where a woman played classical music on a violin(?) near some whales, and the whales were mesmerized!
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
They may be curious about this, which may at least partially explain why orcas around the world have offered food to humans, as a way to test humans and learn more about us. As stated by the authors of the relevant study:
I have heard fascinating anecdotes told by a whale watching captain from the Salish Sea in the Pacific Northwest who stated that in one of his expeditions, a few female Southern Resident orcas from J Pod passing by heard a baby start crying on the boat. They stopped, came up to the rear of the boat, and laid on the water while listening to the baby cry. They left once the baby stopped crying. Once the baby started crying again, the female orcas came back, raised their heads out of the water, and vocalized back. They left again after the baby stopped crying.
Orcas and other cetaceans may indeed be attracted to music.
The Center for Whale Research actually sometimes played music underwater many years ago, which appeared to attract the Southern Resident orcas in the Pacific Northwest, and a bit more recently classical music was played to attract belugas in order to help free them from entrapment.
short_longpants@reddit
Fascinating information! Thank you!
BallIsLife2016@reddit
Sometimes I wonder how much of us ending up the species that we did just comes down to having thumbs.
apeaky_blinder@reddit
This explains why they would not eat us. But why would they not kills us for sport or fun?
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
That is where the "theory of mind" hypothesis comes in, especially in light of encounters with orcas attempting to share food and other objects with humans around the world.
These food-sharing behaviours are considered exploratory behaviours by the researchers who authored that study because orcas are observed usually pausing to see how humans respond to their actions, and thus the orcas are likely "testing" the humans. The behaviours of orcas offering food and other objects to humans are likely just extensions of well-documented cultural behaviours where orcas share food with each other, likely forming and strengthening bonds between each other. The researchers have thus labeled the behaviour as a form of "generalized altruism," where the orcas extend this behaviour across species towards humans as well.
Possible reasons for orcas to engage in this of type of behaviour are stated by the authors of the research paper:
Here is what whale researcher Jared Towers and neuroscientist Dr. Lori Marino have to say, taken from an article on the phenomenon of wild orcas sharing food with humans:
As is also stated by Towers, who is one of the authors of that study:
Wild orcas do not really interact with many other species in this way, usually either ignoring, harassing, or killing other sea creatures. Likely due to their often "xenophobic" nature and also their status as apex predators, wild orcas typically do not try to socialize with other cetaceans, even if the orcas belong to a population that does not hunt other marine mammals. It seems that orcas see humans a bit differently, and may be interested instead in relating to humans and attempting to learn more about the humans they encounter.
And there have been extensive historic relationships between humans and orcas, the most famous of which was Old Tom's pod forming a cooperative relationship with whalers in Eden, Australia. Both Aboriginal and western whalers cooperated with these orcas in Twofold Bay, New South Wales. The orcas would alert the whalers to the presence of baleen whales in the area by breaching or tailslapping near the cottages of the Davidson family. The orcas would also often assist in the hunt itself. After a whale was harpooned, some orcas would even grab the ropes with their teeth to assist the human whalers in hauling. It is possible this cooperative relationship was actually started by these orcas approaching and offering humans their food and the humans reciprocating many years ago, or vice versa.
sadi89@reddit
Personally, I think orcas would also hold humans captive for amusement/as pets, if they could figure out how to make pens for us that kept us dry and with continuous air.
JRo9123@reddit
I’m saving this comment cuz there are so many orca videos that circulate around the internet and information like this is so hard to come by. Thank you!
NightKnight4766@reddit
Basically Orcas like their chicken tendies and not much else?
bodinator1@reddit
Thanks for that post , interesting read👍
Own-East-9190@reddit
Now I'm afraid of sea horses, thanks
MrUpVoteDownvote@reddit (OP)
Thanks for sharing this.
tlm11110@reddit
Doesn’t matter, I’d still be terrified seeing one coming towards me.
AlarmingDetective526@reddit
Probably because they know once they become a threat someone will start making them into fin soup.
psykulor@reddit
Orcas have echolocation, of course, but they also have huge areas of the brain that we believe are connected to parsing sound data from their echolocation clicks. The sonic pulses they use can penetrate flesh and soft tissue and - together with their large brains - likely give them a good picture of the composition of an object. In short, they can scan us at a glance.
An orca would see immediately how poor of a food source a human is. We are structurally mostly bone. We are lean, unlike their two most famous foods, salmon and seals, and even a fat human is coated in a loose, spongy fat tissue that doesn't hold a candle to their usual prey.
True_Lifeguard407@reddit
What if we choose one really fat american dude and toss him middle of orca pot and see what happens.
VastEnergy4724@reddit
Alright bet, put a fatty in there
psykulor@reddit
Kind of a dumb thing to jump to, but it's your brain to waste ig
VastEnergy4724@reddit
Oh its a whales sub, so you didnt pull your theory out your butt? Bet
psykulor@reddit
ya I told somebody else not to take it too deep cuz it's all from articles and anecdotes not real study. tf does that have to do with the braindead fatty take? no hate just curious
dcblock90@reddit
Salmon probably have less fat% than most humans. Having lived in Alaska for 8 years and processing countless Salmon, they are fatty and oily as far as fish are concerned, they are not fatty like a human.
Also, when bears have an overabundance of salmon they will usually eat the brain/head and the eggs, discarding the rest of the salmon because it’s not as nutrient dense.
jetecoeur12@reddit
Yeah but salmon are delicious. Humans are ick.
pussmykissy@reddit
Go on.. What exactly do humans taste like?
jetecoeur12@reddit
Depression and sweat
k-tech_97@reddit
Don't knock it till you try it
delicatedelinquent@reddit
the other, other white meat.
nicxue97@reddit
Fish are extremely more digestible than humans or bears, not only are they easier to rip apart and swallow, but they have much smaller bones that pass through them easier and can be swallowed whole.
I_travel_ze_world@reddit
Human bones are insanely more dense and harder than fish bones though.
Turns out spending your entire life floating in water means you don't develop super tough bones.
Funny_Lime_9384@reddit
Orcas have the strongest biteforce in animal kingdom though
Beautiful_Swimmer620@reddit
No, that’s a saltwater crocodile
I_travel_ze_world@reddit
Orcas digestion system isn't designed to handle thick strong bones.
It would be like you trying to shit out a chopstick.
Funny_Lime_9384@reddit
I can do that
LeBlubb@reddit
Only theoretically. It was simply never measured.
There was a paper that estimated about 19000 newtons of bite force. How much bite force an orca actually uses will most likely be lower than what jaws and skull could potentially withstand.
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
TBH, even as an estimate, that "orca bite pressure" figure seen around the internet has no actual basis. The origin for this claim was investigated and debunked on the paleontology subreddit. This "19,000 PSI" figure, which is also a measurement of pressure, not force, appears to have originated from an answer on Quora by a veterinary dropout posted 10 years ago:
There are multiple serious issues with the assumptions made in that answer. First of all Dawn Brancheau's humerus, not femur, was fractured by Tilikum, so it is inappropriate to generalize this pressure measurement from femur to humerus in the first place. Even more importantly, comparing this measurement to what actually happened when Tilikum tore of Brancheau's arm is a gross oversimplification.
But the statement on Quora that Brancheau's left arm was avulsed mid-humerus by Tilikum is not correct either. The autopsy report for Brancheau states that the fracture was on the proximal left humerus (broken shoulder), not mid-humerus.
This fracture is consistent with Tilikum gripping, yanking, and tearing Brancheau's left arm until it was eventually avulsed completely, but does not really support the idea that Tilikum managed to break her left humerus in a single bite.
jayecin@reddit
Im curious...are you comparing the fat content of gutting and cleaning Salmon to the fat content of gutting and cleaning humans...? Like how do you have enough information about the gutting and cleaning of humans to make this comparative statement confidently...Im never going to Alaska...
dcblock90@reddit
I’m comparing my personal experience that I’ve never come across a wild salmon that is 20-40% body fat. I also did my due diligence and found that wild salmon average 6% body fat, farmed salmon can be 20%+.
The average body fat for men is 22-30%, for women it is 32-42%. No gutting and cleaning of humans needed(on my part), somebody else has done the dirty work.
SoundOfUnder@reddit
Yeah but the orca that would care about a nice fat seal vs a nice fat human aren't the same pnes that eat the relatively lean salmon.
dcblock90@reddit
This is true. I personally do not think this is a matter of an Orca finding us undesirable because of taste or being “bony” etc etc. I believe this creature truly knows that we are also intelligent, and while yes it could easily kill one of us today, but that would mean we’d be back for all of them tomorrow.
There are orcas that have worked hand in hand with whaling fleets in the past to guide whalers to their victims. They know that we can and have killed the largest species and most dangerous species of whales(sperm whales). I’m pretty sure this creatures can figure out that they could also be the ones being pulled up on the deck of a whaling ship if we wanted it.
InfallibleSeaweed@reddit
Ok but fat people exist.
chickenballs11@reddit
Courious if you think a large obese human would be an attractive option ? Perhaps large obese humans don’t typically go into the deep ocean where they would encounter and it’s only slim humans they encounter ?
psykulor@reddit
This is all second- and third-hand from articles and anecdotes but as I mentioned before, human fat is nowhere near as dense as a seal's blubber. Even assuming that an orca wouldn't worry about other considerations like our heavy bones, the possibility that they can understand we have the capacity to think and feel like they do, and the fact that we're quite dangerous in the long run - from all accounts, we aren't tasty.
chickenballs11@reddit
Fascinating that they can potentially sense the quality of humans fat !
berretbell@reddit
This is the coolest thing I've read all... Month, maybe more. It's pretty darn cool, thanks for sharing.
SirCioppalot@reddit
In this case you have to wonder what would happen if an obese person came close to one
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Mammal-eating Bigg's (transient) orcas off of Alaska are also known to prey on sea otters, which lack much fat and are pretty "bony."
Simple_Evening7595@reddit
This is it probably
plantsyyyy@reddit
I think they know what we've done to them and they all talk to each other. Same how groups of people warn separate groups of people about danger. They all probably "talk" and remember from generation to generation. Smart animals.
FollowTheTears1169@reddit
Maybe they have but they are smart enough to leave no witnesses.
ProperClue@reddit
I wonder if they look at us the way we look at washed up ocean animals?..."wtf is that...smells horrible!"
Then again, there is no way to know 100% that they haven't. They coukd have grabbed a human by the foot, dragged them down into the depths and then sunk the ship all the witnesses were on lol
Zenacrus@reddit
Im convinced that a long long time ago orcas learned that killing a human will likely cause a manhunt on the killer and potentially their whole pod, and so rule nr one is humans arent worth risking retaliation of extreme measures.
BasicDucky@reddit
Or they don't leave witnesses.
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
What would they be able to do if a person saw them attacking someone in the water from a cliff high above?
There are also multiple attacks on boats where the "witnesses," such as the Robertson family, were ultimately left alone afterwards.
MPatton94@reddit
Simple.
The Orcas have guns.
BasicDucky@reddit
Orca sympathizers will take care of them.
Voelkar@reddit
Exactly. There just haven't been any attacks on record
MPatton94@reddit
Hooo that’s intimidating though!
I would be out of the water so fast.
Siri1879@reddit
Wel...One reason for this is that humans are not considered typical prey for them. We usually do not spend large amounts of time in the water or appear there in big numbers, so orcas rarely interact with us and therefore never really adapted their hunting or feeding behavior toward humans.
On top of that, compared to their usual prey like seals or whales, humans contain relatively little fat, which makes us an uninteresting food source for them. Orcas are smart asf and cautious animals, and they often avoid things that seem unusual or unfamiliar to them
Educational_Cup_1701@reddit
You're saying that orcas are an unadventurous lot. Not willing to try new foods - or do anything they're not already fully familiar with. But that's not the characteristic of an intelligent specifies.
Siri1879@reddit
Nah... I think you’re confusing “not randomly trying everything” with lack of intelligence. In biology, highly intelligent predators are often extremely selective because they optimize energy efficiency and minimize unnecessary risks.
Orcas are culturally specialized hunters. Different pods pass down hunting techniques and prey preferences across generations, almost like traditions. A group specialized in hunting seals or salmon has no reason to suddenly experiment with humans, especially when humans provide very little fat compared to their normal prey (like I said).
That’s not a sign of stupidity....it’s actually a sign of advanced cognition and efficient decision making. Intelligent animals don’t waste energy or take pointless risks for low value prey.
hiryan18@reddit
They haven't only because those that may have been eaten were not found or witnessed being eaten; however, in Wildcat Cove, WA- two young boys went kayaking with a pod and vanished. Locals largely believe they upset the orcas and were eaten, as almost all human remains in that part of the Salish Sea wash up on Locust Beach (somteimes even remains between Vancouver BC and Seattle will wind up on that particular beach due to tides and currents).
So basically we just havent witnessed them eat anyone in the wild, and they haven't left any evidence.
DependentPermission3@reddit
Some people wont eat pig because it's dirty meat. They just know better
Lump001@reddit
We're boney and don't have a lot of meat. We also don't look a lot like their natural prey. They are very smart creatures.
Modemheinz@reddit
"Leave the murder monkeys alone"
Oxydising@reddit
This
fracture2@reddit
There is always a first time.
justaneditguy@reddit
Maybe they know we'd probably kill them all if they started killing us. Probably not and just that we don't look tasty
pickoneforme@reddit
what if all the smart sea mammals are actually reincarnated humans? i’ve wondered that a few times.
Successful_Cup_8215@reddit
Lol.
Top-Albatross7765@reddit
We smell bad 😂
Polarian_Lancer@reddit
Hear me out: they’re not gonna fuck with the dominant species on earth. They’ve seen what has happened to other whale species and do NOT want that smoke
UADesigner@reddit
Survivorship bias
Lilbig6029@reddit
Unlike humans, they only kill what they want to eat
Zebrakiller@reddit
Orcas are very well known to kill for fun, to teach juveniles how to hunt (without ever eating the kill), and even killing some animal’s like sharks to only eat their livers and nothing else.
shinryou@reddit
They eat the liver specifically because it's relatively easy to get to and contains a lot of energy. In a way they behave the same as humans. We also kill animals and don't actually eat them whole.
Lilbig6029@reddit
And some humans kill just yo kill
Lilbig6029@reddit
You contradicted yourself.
“Kill for fun - to teach juveniles how to hunt”
It’s not for fun, it’s to teach juveniles how to hunt and survive.
And when they do kill the target, it doesn’t just go to waster, it’s eaten as I said.
Bergamottenbommel@reddit
Liver is too small to justify the trouble.
subtomfinn@reddit
Sie lassen einfach nichts zurück, was auf einen Angriff hindeutet
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Wenn ich solche Aussagen lese, dass Orcas in 100 % der Fälle Zeugen oder Beweise beseitigen können, fällt mir dieses Zitat des theoretischen Physikers Wolfgang Pauli ein:
„Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig; es ist nicht einmal falsch!“
subtomfinn@reddit
Mein Kommentar war eigentlich nicht ernst gemeint. Ich bin auch der Meinung des Orcas keine Menschen angreifen. Nur den Grund verstehe ich nicht.
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Mein Kommentar richtete sich nicht speziell an dich, und es tut mir leid, wenn er etwas schroff gewirkt hat. Es scheint andere Leute zu geben, die solche Dinge ernsthaft glauben. Was die Hypothesen dazu angeht, warum wilde Orcas keine Menschen angreifen, habe ich einen Kommentar mit einigen wissenschaftlichen Hypothesen verfasst.
subtomfinn@reddit
Sehr interessant. Aber zu deiner Beruhigung. Ich habe mich nicht angegriffen gefühlt, aber ich wollte zumindest klarstellen das Orcas für mich keine Killer sind. Natürlich töten Sie aber, jedes Tier will leben
RodneyGK@reddit
They probably got slaughtered by us at some point in their/our history. Enough to leave the imprint on their DNA.
Dangerous_Band_2730@reddit
Are you sure they have never attacked any human beings??
livinfungus@reddit
We’re not worth it and they what would happen if they did
gazerbeam-98@reddit
They don’t want this smoke
Flame_beard_forge@reddit
This isn’t a mystery at all….. lmao
Crowdfundingprojects@reddit
These dumbass bot posts
Odd_Scheme4716@reddit
Maybe they figured out that we kill the fuck out of everything we want or don’t like. Seriously might have to do with the whaling industry a minute ago. Maybe they saw the genocide of their cousins and thot fuck that shit we ain’t stupid.
JstTrstMe@reddit
That we know of.
Far_Note6719@reddit
"almost like they know something we don’t"
Please don't overinterpret this.
There is probably only one thought: Should I eat this bony thing or not?
smokingace182@reddit
This one in particular saw the camera. Leave no evidence behind
AlbertTheHorse@reddit
Maybe they already sampled us and inherited memory keeps us off the plate.
Maybe, being matriarchal like the Haida, we had some better communication thousands of years ago.
FilmScoreConnoisseur@reddit
Inherited memory isn't a thing.
AlbertTheHorse@reddit
Well aren’t you special.
Yes it is. Peer reviewed work is emerging more and more.
Google Jo Nagai and Martha Weiss.
As research expands across into other species, as protocols and variants in techniques progress it appears there is a lot to learn.
What do you think instinct is? Vapers? How does a bird know to build a nest with a flap door to fake out a snake? How does a bird know to migrate? How do butterflies do generational migrations.
My degree is in stem so I am not a fluff degree thinking I know all. Jo Nagai’s process is Scientific Method 101.
Why can’t an orca have inherited memories. It’s not all biochemical cues from an 18th century view of animals a machines.
Just like the butterflies in Jo’s experiments, perhaps orcas interacted with us as we migrated across the ice bridge via land and sea. Considering they are, to quote the title of an old book, a mind in the water, who knows how they communicate or know or understand their world.
YouTube has a highly accessible video on Jo’s work.
Biology has exciting times these days. We are a long way from thinking animals have no inner life at all. No they probably perceive their world differently than a big brained hominid, but they do reckon with it more than an 18th century automaton.
FilmScoreConnoisseur@reddit
What in the AI horseshit is this response? Citing only two "researchers," suggesting YouTube as a good source, speculating wildly, and stringing together a bunch of random and completely unrelated thoughts about animals at the end. This has the coherence of something a 6th grader might write.
AlbertTheHorse@reddit
Awww, weakling. I wrote it for a 5th grate reading level, which you easily evince.
Now go masturbate over your own stupidity on your own dime.
FawkesFire13@reddit
Well, they seem to enjoy sinking yachts, and I love that for them.
MundaneHuckleberry58@reddit
Eat the rich!
The_Wheel_of_Oz@reddit
Or with every click the make they could see our insides and will think "yea that's not worth it"
BeroZero1312@reddit
I read orcas have group specific diets. They usually simply wont try new food items at a certain age. There was a case in a aquatic zoo, where a mother orca got reunited with her calf, unknowlingly (how the fuck do you write this right, anyways), responding aggressive when she saw it eating food items unfamiliar to her.
Another point, spectations suggest orcas know that human are different and they view us more then orcas. Mammal recognices mammal, so to say
BirdCharacter4630@reddit
idk i feel like its the same thing with coming close to a big gorilla or a tiger
Lenaix@reddit
Easier to squeeze a penguin or seal, maybe we resemble them as the Mola mola. Just bone, skin and guts 😂
UnluckyFly9881@reddit
There ist just bo recorded incident, that doesnt mean they never did it. Not too long ago, humans all over the world hunted every whale they could find. Whales know that. Its not too far fetched that they leave us be so we dont start hunting them.
Curious-Basket-7934@reddit
The fact that they only attack us when we cage them and force them into lifetime slavery - says it all.
They have a sense of justice.
AgentPuzzled3875@reddit
They dont "Attack" in prison. They play you to death
mike968@reddit
But they did attack alot of smaller sailboats near the coast of spain in the last few years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_orca_attacks
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Various orca scientists have also stated that the general behaviours of the orcas when they interact with the rudders are not indicative of aggression. Orcas are of course very heavy and powerful animals, so even relatively minor movements can still have a lot of impact on the rudders, which could subsequently result in rather violent movements of the vessel
According to biologist Dr. Volker Deecke:
And according to biologist Dr. Alfredo López Fernandez from the Atlantic Orca Working Group:
And according to biologists Dr. Naomi Rose and Dr. Alex Zerbini:
The "fad/play behaviour" hypothesis for this behaviour ultimately still remains the most popular amongst orca scientists. The explanation essentially is that the orcas are playing with the boat rudders, or even have turned it into a game of sorts. This novel behaviour has spread amongst the Iberian orca subpopulation like a fad/trend. The behaviours of the Iberian orcas during these incidents were compared to play and fad behaviours seen in other orca populations. This hypothesis was brought up in a working session with multiple scientists, and there is a report on it.
The mostly juvenile orcas that interact with sailing boats have an apparent preference for interacting with and breaking sailing boat rudders (often spade rudders). This may be because these particular types of rudders are easier to break, and there is often more of a reaction from the vessel and the people on it during the interaction. This type of reaction can be reinforcing for these types of behaviours in orcas, as they can see the direct results of their actions more clearly.
mike968@reddit
Yeah, thats what orca scientists say to keep us humans in the dark of their real intentions…
Western-Anteater-492@reddit
That's rather what three orcas stacked on top of each other in a lab coat would say whilst the real scientists are bound together in the super secret janitors clauset.
TurbulentCaregiver23@reddit
I fully agree they are much more intelligent than we give them credit for. We also haven't figured out how to save our own earth which we are destroying bit by bit. My understanding is that we now have to leave this planet in order for the human race to survive. I believe it was Hawkins who said we had about 100 years. So it appears that we believe we own everything with an unbelievable narcissistic attitude. Why don’t we use some of our intelligence to save the planet and human race? However, I agree we must leave this planet as it just simply will not have the resources necessary in the near future for our continued survival. I realize that scientist all over the world are working on this and I wish them good luck. They'll need it.
tele_ave@reddit
That was an abrupt segue
miss_kimba@reddit
Even in those cases, I honestly haven’t seen any convincing evidence that they had intention to kill. I suspect that they just got very used to humans and didn’t have usual boundaries (a wild animal will avoid us, or avoid physical contact). Did they just play with people to death? Even a Labrador can accidentally hurt us playing too rough. Orcas are enormous, and even as intelligent as they are, may not realise how fragile (or easily drowned) we are.
Tillikum was carrying a corpse. What if he was trying to help it breathe?
I dunno man. The evidence of intentional killing isn’t there for me. I’d love to see proof, if it’s around, I’m genuinely so interested by my theory.
Cute-Form2457@reddit
At the very least, orca know we can't breathe underwater. If orca force you underwater for long periods, and rip your scalp off, that is intention to kill right there.
bradbrookequincy@reddit
They likely go insane and that gets combined with great stress and anxiety as well as being removed from the Orcas that taught them “don’t kill humans”
beerRunFinisher@reddit
Why don't zoo animals attack us for they experience the same
k8username@reddit
Humans swim with orcas exposing themselves to attack. When we interact with zoo animals like that, they do attack. Just ask Sigfried and Roy
TermusMcFlermus@reddit
They do.
delicatedelinquent@reddit
Well, some do attack, if given the chance
PrettyGirlinside@reddit
Like They don't like being captive or what's the mystery
Educational_Cup_1701@reddit
Orcas are apparently an unadventurous lot. Not willing to try new foods - or do anything they're not already fully familiar with. But that's not the characteristic of an intelligent specifies.
lunarsesh@reddit
Oh the skinny human thing that is a measurable amount of plastic? Not to mention definitely NOT organic.
Educational_Cup_1701@reddit
Orcas and seals and fish have plenty of our plastic in them too. It is now everywhere on earth.
allieoops925@reddit
Different pods focus on different things. Some eat seals, some eat fish and they won’t go between the two. I’m pretty sure humans are not on any of the pod’s menus.
Educational_Cup_1701@reddit
You're saying that orcas are an unadventurous lot. Not willing to try new foods - or do anything they're not already fully familiar with. But that's not the characteristic of an intelligent specifies.
Professor_Donaldson@reddit
In a documentary on the topic, one of the reasons stated was that orcas are taught a lot by their school – this includes the prey they hunt and the tactics revolving around it. They seem to stick pretty tightly to this set of rules, although they can learn (e.g. „depredation“ which means stealing from big fishnets).
So the explanation was basically that it was never culturally established among them, which is why they don’t spontaneously try to eat humans (although attacking them is another thing).
Educational_Cup_1701@reddit
It is a mystery why they don't attack us in the wild. All we hear are unconvincing theories. Would they attack and eat, say, a live pig thrown over the side? Nobody seems to know. Why is that?
Inevitable_Travel_41@reddit
They’re probably intelligent enough to know we’re above them in the food chain.
I pity them. Imagine you’re smart enough to write a book but got no hands to hold a pen.
Educational_Cup_1701@reddit
I know right. Same with being stuck with just eating fish or seals and never being able to get out of water. Those green hills in the distance must look so inviting.
sebulbasdick420@reddit
I think they're smart enough to know if one human is hurt or goes missing others will show up. I think they know very well what we are capable of
pastyoureyesed@reddit
They can smell the plastic and chemicals from far off
Alarmed-madman@reddit
Wait they attack the shit out of sailboats in the Mediterranean all the time.
It's was pretty well documented
SignificanceSea4162@reddit
But they never attack humans in the water.
Alarmed-madman@reddit
What about at sea world?
Didn't someone get killed by one?
SignificanceSea4162@reddit
That's not in the wild.
Alarmed-madman@reddit
You've obviously never been to Florida
SignificanceSea4162@reddit
If you think sea world is comparable to wild life you possibly never left your cave.
Alarmed-madman@reddit
Woosh!
Abject-Investment-42@reddit
Or they are just sure to never leave survivors.
Stoic_Duck_39@reddit
Survivorship Bias. Maybe they have killed people in the wild they're just so efficient we have no reported cases. 🤔🤔
Afraid_Preference507@reddit
They don’t like how humans taste like.
Handsomejan@reddit
Maybe there are just no survivors to report about these attacks
Slow_Flatworm_881@reddit
As kids they all get shown Jaws, it traumatises them and know what happens if they start eating humans!
Altruistic-One-4497@reddit
They know we are not a threat and we are not food either. I dont know why people act surprised. Dolphins are not known to attack humans and these are the smartest and biggest dolphins so even less reason to attack humans.
Safe_Limit420@reddit
Thought that ladies hand was the grim reaper or something lol
Typical_Ad2405@reddit
Orcas are picky eaters. They know, that we are just bones in a skin suit. Well at least the ones able to dive lol.
Not even dumber animals like sharks really kill us for nutrition.
But yeah, i always wonder why they dont habt us for Sport. Like they do sometimes. Maybe we are not exciting enough.
Skym84@reddit
For the same reason we prefer shrimps to locusts. Also, who would eat a 20-30-40 year old animal? Ew
Ok_Internet_9944@reddit
He definitely thought about it
BroCoHoly@reddit
Full of diseases. Not taking the risk to wipe out the whole Orca organisation.
Forsaken_Flounder_96@reddit
That we taste like the color black.. just as black as our souls. Haha
disgostin@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ng7FJGwOD0
they're not necessarily eating us but they are also no longer quite peacefully coexisting with humans actually, cause of our pollution probably but i didnt watch the whole video sorry. the title is Scientists Explain the Mysterious Orca Boat Attacks
geniusgrapes@reddit
Game recognize game
edizyan@reddit
Maybe we are toxic to them?
YoghurtPlus5156@reddit
my theory is that, since they and other whales are quite intelligent and have a complex language we've yet to decode, they have some understanding that humans travel the ocean on ships, and that these ships can do serious harm. Like when we were exterminating whales by the thousands each year on industrial whaling trips for a hundred years. A significant long term event like that must've imprinted on the whales and taught them some semblence of respect for human capabilities and was probably passed down in their own oral lore and culture.
Weekly_Inflation1853@reddit
Since the advent of LLM AI I would suggest to re-think the connection of language and intelligence. I tend to believe this strong connection was claimed by people talking too much anyways. I always asked myself how people talking so much manage the THINKING part I thought necessary. Comes out they don't. Think I mean, or if only in a rudimentary way, they are in fact LLMs.
MistCanyon@reddit
I don't know why, but I'm really glad about it. I guess we're not that tasty or filling
LimitAlternative2629@reddit
They know of the additives we eat
Longjumping-Salad484@reddit
for the movie Jaws why didn't they have an orca attack the shark? are they stupid?
thehorrorcontinues13@reddit
And yet they have rammed boats.
shinryou@reddit
The assumption is that they attack boats because at some point in time a boat collided with a pod member and hurt it, putting boats on the shitlist for all of the pod members.
Tall_Juggernaut_9744@reddit
Orcas love very fatty livers and we dont have that at all
Ok_Measurement2760@reddit
would a very hungry orca eat a 75kg chicken?
Tall_Juggernaut_9744@reddit
orcas love fatty livers and we dont habe that at all
Murky_Enthusiasm1326@reddit
We probably taste like shit or are seen as cockroaches of the sea..
WillDingo69@reddit
Only attack at Sea World😔
Remarkable_Bat_7897@reddit
human flesh is toxic af to the wild animals, they can smell from miles away.
_Gnas_@reddit
Because they can't be the most efficient predators if their prey know about their status as prey.
SirNether484@reddit
Or they never attacked a human with a camera and made sure they leave no wittnesses in the other cases
gropbot@reddit
Ever had my mother in law's kidney pie? Knowledge of shitty food can be passed down over generations, they once tried ages ago but still remember the sesnation...
Status_Reward3116@reddit
They are simply not used to it….
Orca learn what to hunt from their pod, and humans were never part of their normal diet or hunting culture.
SupermouseDeadmouse@reddit
Orcas are professionals. They don’t leave witnesses.
Beautiful-Ad5662@reddit
I don't think this is a nutrition problem. They hunt for fun sometimes and a good part of their diet is very lean. They teach each other's facts and techniques from a pod to another, from a generation to another. Maybe they tried long ago and we obliterate a pod in retaliation ? They however does not seems scared and are curious but cautious. I honestly don't know why.
LiaraT-soni@reddit
“Almost like they know something we don’t”
Yea-they know we taste bad. lol 😂
the_thinman@reddit
I think they are a society of strict rules and protocols. Highly bound by tradition.
Positive-Record-7219@reddit
That we are not tasty, cause we eat and drink trash and smoke. They are sophisticated animals.
Travel_Dreams@reddit
We are pathological exterminators
HoleDiggr@reddit
Imagine somebody gives them human flesh and all of a sudden they start hunting humans all over the planet.
Centuries later we develop the technology to read their minds and they're like: "We just had no idea it was THAT delicious!"
Daneatstamfordbridge@reddit
This is just speculation, and most likely wrong, but:
We used to hunt whales, like every culture has hunted whales, and whales are capable of complex emotion and speech much to the same degree that we are, so while it is now illegal in most places around the world, i’d believe, if they could find the evidence, that whales might have an oral history about us hunting them and might know to steer clear.
Ok-Elk-3046@reddit
[Citation needed]
Daneatstamfordbridge@reddit
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12594577/
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/social-influences-on-vocal-development/vocal-learning-in-captive-bottlenose-dolphins-a-comparison-with-humans-and-nonhuman-animals/5E4E645FBE1F5C7168461FB4670E574C
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adc9570
I’m too lazy to find more. That first one should be free, the second costs like $58, and the third I think just requires an account, I cant remember cor certain.
Ok-Elk-3046@reddit
The first two are not even about orcas. They also concern themselves with phonetics only. The third suggest that tooth whales use a discrete register for communications.
That's it. None of them even remotely suggest that orca dialects are even close in complexity to human speech. You might just as well have written "I made it the fuck up"
This actually concerns itself with orca dialects. It concludes the have 7-17 discrete call types. Just in case you actually care.
Daneatstamfordbridge@reddit
What is wrong with you? Is this how you communicate with people in person?
I have a passing interest, at best, in cetaceans. I said I might be wrong which in this case I likely was, and while I could have prefaced with “I believe that cetaceans are capable of complex speech much to the same degree as humans”, from the passing interest I have, my understanding was that cetacean communication was as complex as human speech.
I can admit when I’m wrong, and I can admit when I’m talking out of my ass, but dickheads like you make it really fucking difficult to be the slightest bit reasonable.
Ok-Elk-3046@reddit
Sorry. I haven't acclimated well to our modern post truth environment. I would like to point out though that I at least refraine from calling people "dickheads"
Ralba-@reddit
Hi, ich bin's, Ralba
Was für eine Frage? Die Lösung des Rätsels liegt doch im wahrsten Sinne auf der Hand.
Die sind intelligent und kommunikativ untereinander. Irgend einer hat mal einen Taucher gefressen und festgestellt, der riecht zwar wie Leberwurst, und schmeckt auch so, aber die Pelle von dem, da kriegst du Magendrücken und heftige Verdauungsstörungen durch.
Das ist genau so wie bei uns Menschen. Wenn wir keine Arme und Hände hätten, würden wir niemals einen grätenreichen Fisch essen.
Rätsel gelöst, wo bitte kann ich den Gewinn abholen ❓️
DrPhilMustacheRide@reddit
They know we taste like shit 💩
MagnumPEisenhower@reddit
They have language. All orcas know we're the only thing to ever capture them.
v800@reddit
https://i.redd.it/j0jifu5d802h1.gif
pwgueri@reddit
They don’t want to start a war that they can’t win
Ok-Judgment9477@reddit
Yeah we're humans we literally eat buttholes and I'm sure the orcas are well aware of it
Patrickme@reddit
I bet they are just disgusted and flabbergasted every time they see one of us.
Die-Bine@reddit
We are Predators. They are predators. To hunt us makes no sense. Other animals are easier to get and to eat.
L0fiRonin@reddit
they know that we are the apex species
SirPooopsalot@reddit
No big mystery, just like they're not whales. They're smart enough to know their diet.
herecomes_the_sun@reddit
Were full of plastic we arent even food anymore
arch_three@reddit
I don’t think it’s a mystery. A lot of people don’t attack other people until you lock them in a cage and relentlessly fuck with them physically and mentally for years. Then all the sudden they start punching. What a mystery.
Biggie39@reddit
That we know of…. They’re just really good at framing sharks and getting away with it.
TwerkLessons@reddit
Do the boats they try to flip over count?
QuttiDeBachi@reddit
We taste like shit….you eatin that? Hell no you eat it….i know, let Mikey eat it
LadyCraftsALot@reddit
That we taste gross?
steffiewriter@reddit
Maybe they remember the times when we kidnapped them for SeaWorld and don’t want to risk it.
PromotionShort7407@reddit
They simply find us disgusting
apric0ts--forever@reddit
"Almost like they know something we don't" 🙄
DeafeningMilk@reddit
Makes me wonder if it's a bot account or otherwise I see that said in the title of most posts about these creatures not attacking humans.
Baconslayer1@reddit
I was going to say this is the exact title from a post a week or two ago
canela925eastbay@reddit
Most are full of shit! 💩 Yuck! 🤢
MarsupialLeast145@reddit
I eat meat and yet I am not really keen on cat or dog... horse... or wild fox...
terra_terror@reddit
That's a ridiculous title. We know why orcas don't eat humans. First, we are not nutritious enough to be worth the effort. Orcas are highly efficient hunters. Sometimes, when they hunt, they only eat a highly nutritious part of the body and leave the rest, so that they have room in their stomachs to continue eating nutritious body parts. They are very strategic. Secondly, orcas learn which animals are nutritious and worth hunting from their pods, just like humans learn what to eat from their parents and communities.
I'm not even sure what the title meant to insinuate. Are you suggesting there's a supernatural force forbidding orcas from eating humans? Are you suggesting we are poisonous and that only orcas can detect it? Do you think orcas are leaving humans for a bigger predator, like some kind of sacrifice?Suggesting that orcas don't eat us because they know something that we do not know is bizarre, especially since other species eat us without any issue.
Johntballin@reddit
This guy, orcas will only attack for nutritious body parts, meanwhile there’s a video of them yeeting a stingray/manta ray for no reason at all.
Ok-Elk-3046@reddit
This aspect is severely underrepresented in these comments. Orcas learn a lot of behaviours from their mothers, including hunting and dialect.
Helmutius@reddit
Afaik Orca pods are very strict on their hunting strategies and the prey they hunt. So it might be we just don't fit into what they are trained to hunt. So they considers us as an odd occurrence in their environment and rather approach us out of curiosity rather than as potential food.
rare_meeting1978@reddit
I think we haven't attacked any of them ourselves yet. Our boats my have harmed them but for as intelligent as they are they still haven't connected that we control the leisure boats, and we control the fishing boats. We also don't look anything like the animals they eats regularly. We arent covered in tasty blubber. We probably look too thin and like we wouldn't be worth the calories they would have to burn just to digest us in the first place. Though I hate to think what they might do of they every figure out our responsibility level for any damages or suffering they've incurred. We think corvids can mess us up and hold a serious a grudge against us.
samblue8888@reddit
That we don't taste good
RadicalRealist22@reddit
What absolute nonsense. The know we don't offer nutrition, and they know we are intelligent.
ZeroDarkJoe@reddit
I mean, it's a pretty good survival strategy to just not eat something if you don't know what it is.
Old_Idea4566@reddit
They've seen us hunt and kill wales to near extinction and the wales never did a thing to us.
That, or we simply don't look tasty.
Muricanmoose@reddit
Probably because as he got closer, he smelled my poop, lots and lots of OH SHIT!!
Aggravating-Tap-4733@reddit
Rules of the hunt: Hunt Worthy Prey
WirrkopfP@reddit
They are smart enough to never leave traces or recordings...
N0xF0rt@reddit
Yet.....
SquirtCanon@reddit
Probably because they know we saved Willy
SpareAdvice8716@reddit
They've seen what we do to sharks
IamTheMainActor77@reddit
More than likely, they understand that if they kill one of us, we’re gonna kill their whole fucking pod and some. As if we have done this historically, and they choose not to repeat it.
Alpacachoppa@reddit
I'm also throwing in the ring that aside from being immediately not that great of a food source some animals have a sort of learned or internalized warning for humans. Like a "Not that great, will come back in mass to obliterate you and everybody else.".
MichaelStanwyck@reddit
We taste bad. Sharks find out, that's why people die from attacks not being eaten. Whales are just smarter.
AdventurousAmoeba316@reddit
Horrifying
Pastor_C-Note@reddit
“Never” is a pretty strong word. It’s possible there were attacks that we never about.
F1McLarenFan007@reddit
Prolly because they figured out early we taste like shit.😆
graspedbythehusk@reddit
They’re smart enough not to leave any evidence.
No_Study_5463@reddit
Rude, speak for yourself! I Taste like heaven honey!!
LaSuperLarva@reddit
It’s not a mistery we know why
Spiritual-Job-952@reddit
We stink of bad nutrients.
dollikandyy@reddit
Wow
Environmental_Tax_89@reddit
I would shit my pants
SerienChiller86LPZ@reddit
we know why? it's not worth the effort
donhitech@reddit
Kill one human and 100 will come after you. Orcas are 100% scared of harming us
ChickenCasagrande@reddit
Other option, they have and they leave no survivors to relay the details.
Yalokin@reddit
Or maybe they are just smart enough to understand that if they kill a human they might get hunted down?
Kaalrabistu@reddit
Watch the documentary of how they captured orcas for seaworld, the acts humans are capable of. No one wants their family to go through that.
TurbulentCaregiver23@reddit
Yes, absolutely abhorrent and ridiculous how cruel we can be. Do you think that we can take these wonderful creatures who are so intelligent and rob them of their lives because they do not possess the machinery needed to escape or kill us? How sad that 'Free Willy' doesn't really exist. Once in captivity, there’s no way they could exist in the ocean that they weren’t raised in. What a sad life for an animal that can travel thousands of miles in the ocean to be confined to what could only be called an extremely shallow small pool for our viewing pleasure. How cruel can we get and why don’t the parents of the children that are watching these animals in the small pool tell their children it was not meant to be this way. We as parents should show their children what NOT to do for the creatures that also make this planet their home.
mozarellaQrosh@reddit
Deren Religion verbietet es Menschen zu essen
king-jotta@reddit
Maybe humans taste like ass
medussadelagorgons@reddit
He reminds me of an Ed-209
Every-Carpenter4911@reddit
Maybe we taste terrible.
TurbulentCaregiver23@reddit
Yes, we don’t taste good. Unfortunately, there was a woman who loved to swim with the seals out in Avila Bay. One year a shark came in, and since she was dressed in a black wetsuit with fins, she looked exactly like a seal. He bit her legs off, and she drowned. He did not swallow her legs. He spit them out because human flesh is just not oily enough for their taste. Be aware of and respect environmentals that do not belong to us solely. We do not own all things on earth and need to share. We have already killed off the most precious wildlife on earth and have confined them to zoos. We need to leave whatever is left alone and actually share the Earth not dominate it.
Lowland_Demon@reddit
They are highly observant and gregarious. They know what we do to all sharks in an area when one attacks someone. They may very well be aware that killing a human is tantamount to getting their entire pod hunted down.
Opening-Rutabaga-952@reddit
Humans not fat enough? Obviously orcas have not visited here in Midwest. Build a Golden Corral next to their ocean home and I bet they will change lol
BoatHole_@reddit
We’re probably not worth it. Big bones, no meat and what meat we have is marinated in chemicals and pollution
RuMarley@reddit
woooooeah BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!
DarkSparkle23@reddit
game recognize game
Sorry_Community235@reddit
sometimes quite literally https://youtu.be/OtKCt8K80-s?t=784
mercyc1rcus@reddit
That’s very interesting
suntarraw@reddit
The rubber suits get stuck
CapitalWestern4779@reddit
They have never been taught to view us as food
Capital_Scholar5156@reddit
That’s wild. But I’m thankful. Those orcas would make our oceans scary as fuck more so than sharks.
godofwine16@reddit
We taste awful
Apollo_Wersten@reddit
They respect our peace treaty.
Lovelitchi_in_pink@reddit
This is it
seaprozac2@reddit
My dream dive
Shupaul@reddit
No reported death doesn't mean it never happened.
Just that we don't necessarily have eyes and ears everywhere
fourofkeys@reddit
i think people in the comments forget that orcas have cultures and even their language is based on their chosen diet. they don't typically step outside of their already established diets, which are well researched and have mostly held up over time. they are specialized hunters, whose "play" is to practice the hunt over and over.
there is just not a well established pivot to new food in any orca group. that's why the southern resident orca populations are on the brink of extinction, because their food source has become so depleted. they don't just take up new food sources.
Intelligent_Cat8672@reddit
Orcas have distinct cultures and have highly specialized hunting traditions depending om which pod they belong to. It is simply not in their culture to hunt humans.
Brams277@reddit
Real recognizes real
Interesting-Payment1@reddit
Prolly know we are vengeful aF
Better not risk it for a measily snack
riza_dervisoglu@reddit
They do attack sail boats and sink them. They are clever enough not to eat their toys!
Aimin4ya@reddit
We stink
Aa8aa8@reddit
They probably had a bite 100,000 years ago and didn’t find us satisfactory. They spread the knowledge. It’s either that or they have their own mythologies and we are the gods or the demons that should not be messed with.
Christo666666@reddit
Yeah, they know we all doomed anyway.
joesphisbestjojo@reddit
"Monkey not worth time"
Desperate_Anywhere36@reddit
Water apex recognizes land apex.
dat3010@reddit
Unless humans in the boats
zingitgirl@reddit
why is this title so dramatic? 🙃😭
Books_n_hooks@reddit
lol they probably look at us like cute little novelties. I love hummingbirds. I don’t see them too often, but I try to take care of them when I do. They probably do the same. Help out the poor, helpless humans. They probably tell stories about us and how insignificant and doofy we are LOL
RazAG7@reddit
Never attacked that we know of... Still magnificent creatures
Abbygirl1966@reddit
If they knew about Sea world, that might change.
pjalle@reddit
The pods are highly skilled hunters, training on specific prey animals. Usually, fish like herring or mammals like seals. The younger animals learn from the older. No pods are trained on humans, not yet...
ProfilerXx@reddit
Were killing marine life and they know.
They're so smart they just stay away
And we're not what they need to feed on anyways
TeddyIsHereIRL@reddit
Compared to their usual prey we are not fat enough
Pitiful_West_7062@reddit
i see shit on the floor. i don't eat it.
Senior_Torte519@reddit
Your meat to them tastes bland and rubbery.
GreenFault9432@reddit
Maybe they do. But they are so good, that we don't noticed it yet.
Estivile@reddit
Always the same fucking title every time it's reposted
robbudden73@reddit
Oh they know what we know alright, humans don't make good food.
They also don't kill people per say, they usually murder people who treat them poorly.
Similar to circus elephants that snap, or working elephants that snap. Maybe don't have indentured elephants, they are not domesticated.
Any relatively large herbivore that feels threatened will have a rocking go at killing you. Look at how many people are hospitalised by wild boars. And if you're caught by a domestic pig.....better hope you're lucky. And any carnivore larger than a domestic cat is likely to be able to kill you too if you're not armed, or put you in hospital. Two staffys will easily kill a human.
Skittleschild02@reddit
Maybe, the first orca who ate us didn’t give us rave reviews on their Yelp’s pages.
“Bruh. They’re not seasoned! Don’t get me started on the sounds that they make! “What does Nooooooo mean?!”
yotam101@reddit
The opposite. If they knew they'd attack.
No_Positive8628@reddit
One probably saw a bunch of humans lynch a shark for taking a nibble that took an arm off and ran off to tell their douche buddies like "yo bro the humans are not to be messed with ok. Just mess with the baby whales and we'll be fine." But in all seriousness. These assholes are smarter than one might think. They drown whales for fun.
WhatANoob2025@reddit
Maybe among all the meat swimming in the ocean, we're like what Durian is for hanging fruits?
Puzzled_Jellyfish942@reddit
Let's see if anyone is obese and weighs over 130 kg. And we'll see if they eat it.
DaemonBlackfyre_21@reddit
Maybe they're so smart they just know not to leave any witnesses.
Tooupi@reddit
if you are the most efficient predator you have luxury of being picky. Same way people in cities dont hunt pidgeons
sick133785@reddit
We dont taste good even sharks dont eat us, They just bite and let go. Orcas know that
Electronic_Wind1855@reddit
Yeah even their food won’t eat us.
No-Guide3409@reddit
Perhaps they are like gogs, the can sense that we love them and they are 'aww how cute' ?
Pangolin_Paladin@reddit
The only terrifying thing in this video is that bottomless ocean tbh
capitano_poebelo@reddit
It's easy, we're just not that tasty
astraeoth@reddit
They know what we would do with inventions but also, probably know that we are so far below them on the food chain, it's not even a fair fight. Also, maybe we taste gross.
snaphappy2@reddit
Yet
fruitless7070@reddit
I think they are smart. Probably know better.
Weibu11@reddit
They are just really good at hiding the evidence
archiewaldron@reddit
Ask why we don’t eat Orcas and that’s your answer
TwitchyNo2@reddit
They have an interoceanial ban on industrial humaning?
archiewaldron@reddit
That ain't the half of it. Wait til you find out about the government ban on interior humans but allowing coastal humaning. Why? Sign my petition. Please.
Bub_bele@reddit
They simply don’t need to. They are such good hunters, they don’t need to eat everything. Just like we don’t try to eat every butterfly we see. Why? We have enough food as is and don’t need every single protein source.
Pendastaar@reddit
I’ve often thought about this. I’m almost convinced it’s because they are intelligent enough to know that we can decimate them and they wouldn’t like to make an enemy out of us. They live long enough to have memories of us hunting them regularly. We are a vindictive species and they know it.
_obes_@reddit
Ein Fall 1972 und einer 2005, beide nicht tödlich. Sag niemals nie! aber das ist schon sehr selten...
Drassus666@reddit
They hunt one prey only a group. Humans are nothing you could specialize on.
Best-Boysenberry175@reddit
Maybe they are really good at covering their tracks
kkkr94@reddit
Whale: "Ewww get the fuck outta my way"
Kroenen1984@reddit
we hunted whales, nearly extinguished them.
maybe they just remember what we can do
bitterdodgernomo@reddit
We’re not tasty
Cute-Form2457@reddit
Even when they attack humans in captivity, they aren't eating us.
cheddoar@reddit
Amsot likely they dont see us as food.
Time-Leadership-7649@reddit
Yea, that we ain’t shit lol. Not worth their effort
Aromatic-Trick8569@reddit
They are humans and don't want to pay taxes.
miss_kimba@reddit
I don’t eat chicken wings because I truly can not be fucked. Probably the same thing.
Gophermineapolis@reddit
I understand that we are not food to them for all the reasons people rightly point out but neither are sunfish and orcas will blow those MFs up just for fun. I think the question is more valid in more ways than one
Illustrious_Soft_257@reddit
We're full of germs
shadowlev@reddit
It's not backed in science or anything but I have a theory that they know it's bad to be labeled dangerous by humans.
bradbrookequincy@reddit
Some experts agree
cmeyer49er@reddit
Too bad we don’t treat them with the same respect.
RevolutionaryGrape11@reddit
We do, quite a few other people don't.
barmi_@reddit
and each other :/
physicslynch@reddit
“They know something we don’t?” Yeah, they don’t want to eat us because we’re bad nutrition tf lol
Artistic-East-1251@reddit
It’s wild that one of the ocean’s apex predators mostly leaves humans alone in the wild.
Vaniestarlight@reddit
They are intelligent, they looked at a shark who got hunted my a coast guard sniper out of a helicopter once and where like nah guckt that shit
Nimrodsentinel@reddit
They just probably have witnessed whaling :(
JimJames_Jimothy@reddit
Because they know we're no threat to the and that we are intelligent as well. People forget they're one of the smartest animals on the planet
isthisit4me@reddit
We don't smell good. Our livers are tiny compared to what they eat. I'm just making that up but it sounds right.
joyfullofaloha89@reddit
They know don’t start nothing will be nothing
Jenetyk@reddit
Because they are psycho killers, and real recognize real.
realrattyhours@reddit
I have a feeling they will one day
docszoo@reddit
They are intelligent enough to communicate to other groups, and keep knowledge across generations. They know of the beasts in large rafts that murdered their ancestors and other beasts since they began roaming waters. They are vengeful, and know we can be too.