What if The Ottomans was Romanized after they conquered The Byzantine Empire, How would the world history Play out?
Posted by InternationalPen2549@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 8 comments
I mean Like What the Chinese did to the Manchus or Mongolians
Soft_Magician_6417@reddit
Ottomans were Romanized in more ways than you can imagine.
No_Idea_479@reddit
I mean, not really. I'd even say that the Ottomans were less Romanized than the Baldwin II (last Latin Emperor of Constantinople). And Latin rule last 50 years.
Soft_Magician_6417@reddit
Yeah, sure bud.
No_Idea_479@reddit
Baldwin II spoke Greek fluently and wrote it perfectly. He preserved and stengthened Roman institutions, adopted the Roman title of "Porphyrogennitus", added an extra amount of Romans in his court and tried to bridge the gap between the Roman Empire and Western Europe.
What did Mehmed II or other Ottomans do other than LARP as "Kayser-i Rum" (just like how Antiochus I Soter LARPed as "King of the Universe")?
Soft_Magician_6417@reddit
Me saying that Ottomans were more Romanized than you could imagine doesn't mean Baldwin was not more Romanized. Your argument is stupid because I never made that comparison.
Turks, however, have always integrated culture, state management and language of the places they conquered to their own.
A very simple example to this is Tımar. Which was integrated from Eastern Romans. Even more interestingly so, it ended up with Atatürk's attempt at a land reform to make sure the peasants didn't have to depend on rich landlords. Just like Gracchus brothers' land reform attempt 2 thousand years ago. Which have both failed due to the landlords having too much political power.
For the reader, a Greek commenting about Ottomans is usually incorrect just so you know.
No_Idea_479@reddit
When I said that, you dismissively said "sure bud". What are you on about?
Ay, here's a good example.
This is the reach of a lifetime though, unless it's more a "fun fact"/coincidence and not a proper comparison. I ate an apple under a tree in Rome. Julius Caesar ate an apple under a tree in Rome. I have thus integrated Julius Caesar.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
Ottomans r Romans.
Greece helped "end" them in WW1, 18 centuries after the Roman conquest of Greece.
Successful-Biggy@reddit
Probably Ottomans could conquer the whole Europe then they would involve to discover of the new world. Collapse of Ottoman Empire would happen again but Ottomans would have collapsed with bigger lands compared to modern Turkiye.