What’s really going on with Israel and Gaza?
Posted by Unlucky-Visit8693@reddit | EndlessWar | View on Reddit | 4 comments
With all the propaganda it’s impossible to really know how this all started for me as an outsider was October 7th because Israel forced Palestine into a corner or was it just a religious warfare thing? What actually led up to these events? Was it justifiable to level their entire society? Was Hamas justified on their end they seem like they were going for the same goal. Who started this war? Is there any middle ground or is it an all out this is our land and we want everyone else out situation? How will this affect the Middle East as a whole? Is it really just IDF VS HAMAS or is this an Arab vs Jewish war period? I know a little history don’t think Israel is wrong for wanting their own land but also don’t think hamas is wrong for not wanting western influence in their country and their birthright land.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
Hamas has only existed since the 80's .. the israelis have been murdering the indigenous Palestinian people since they showed up in the 1880's before israel was even a state so its not just a 'IDF vs. Hamas thng'
the Jewish people who decided they wanted to take back the land they once ruled for a few hundred years about 3000 years ago gained the support of the British who ended up ruling the area after WW2 and basically handing half the land to them
its could have been a good thing if the israelis respected international law and let the civillians back to their homes, but they decided to expel as many Palestinians as possible without any compensation. the angry Palestinians have been trying to get the international community who largely agree internatio al law was violated by not allowing them back, to help them get their homes back
unfortunatel the British and Americans took special interest in israel so instead of supporting the international community and international law they decided to give israel Billions in weapons every year for decades
as Asatmaya wrote here, the israelis decided to murder and rape and torture Palestinian children ever since so each year that goes by more Palestinians fight back against them .. israel's response has always been to bomb and murder more Palestinian children so they are just stuck in the cycle for decades
everything could be peaceful if they just made one country and lived together like Palestine was before half of it was given away .. now israel has gone too far and the whole world has turned against them
thing is, israel has become one of the biggest weapons dealers on the planet and they have built an industry around surveillance, espionage, spyware and social media manipulation so they have a lot of powerful friends in global military maki g them a hard target to stop
araujo253@reddit
What's the interest of Britains and Americans in Israel?
WestcoastAlex@reddit
before the state it had a lot to do with long standing financial ties to a prominent Jewish family .. after the state it was a military relationship for both america and england to have easy access to the oil rich midle east enabling protection of their business interests
over time, the amount of money flowing between th two ended up facilitating influence on policians too
Asatmaya@reddit
Well, let's back up.
The whole thing started when Zionists decided that there should be an ethnic Jewish state, which of course is a problem of its own, but it was originally envisioned in South America or Africa, somewhere that did not have a large indigenous population.
There was a confluence of interests, however, in putting it into the Levant, despite the large Palestinian population, and those were Christian biblical literalism, as espoused by the Fundamentals and the Scofield Bible, and control over Middle Eastern petroleum. This means that there was money behind the project, so that is where it had to be.
From that point of view, the Palestinian population was a positive attribute, because it split the Middle East along sectarian and class lines, which was beneficial for foreign interest buying cheap oil.
Fast forward 75 years, Israel has been murdering, torturing, and raping Palestinians with essentially no accountability, including simply abducting random people off of the street; Hamas' operation on Oct 7 was only comparable in that they did not rape and torture the Israelis they captured, and there is a heated dispute about who, exactly, killed most of the civilians that day, as Israel has a standing policy of shooting other Israelis rather than letting them be taken hostage.
Yes, they are.
The big reason they didn't want to go to South America is because it had been done already; the Jewish Gauchos moved to Argentina, and just blended in with the rest of the population. Their ancestors today are just Argentinian, not Jewish... and that is not acceptable to the Zionists.
I think that is a hideously immoral philosophy; it is fundamentally evil, and it can only lead to more evil.
Beyond that, though, we are supposed to represent the idea that a multicultural society is not only possible, not only preferable, but absolutely essential to any positive future for mankind.