Fellow over 40s solo expats (if there are any here), how do you manage decisions about staying vs. moving on again when the risk is higher?
Posted by Yet-Another-Persona@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 9 comments
US expat who has been living in Australia for 10 years, AU citizen now too. 45 years old. For 3 years, maybe longer, I've been unhappy. I'm at the point where I know something has to change (not just small changes but like, big changes), but I'm stuck with analysis paralysis because I feel as though it's too late in the game to make the "wrong" choice.
When I was younger this was a lot easier. When I lived in the US, I never lived in more than one state for longer than a few years after 18, often moving from place to place, town to town. And then I moved overseas to Sydney when I had the opportunity. I honestly thank my family and my ex, at the time, for being my cheerleaders to always follow my heart. They always reminded me that I could fall back on them if I needed to. As my ex always said, "everything is reversible."
Well, shortly after moving to Australia, my parents died, and my ex and I split soon after. And I've been struggling to figure out what to do next ever since, because most decisions--to buy property and dig my heels in, to move back to the US, to move to a different country--don't feel like they're reversible any more. Or rather, that I would have less time and less health to fix things if I messed something up.
Australia as a country has been good to me, especially through COVID, in terms of a healthy and safe environment. I'm even a citizen now. But I have struggled so hard to make and keep friends here (not for lack of trying). Most have been immigrants that have moved on to other countries, and every Australian friend I've made becomes a recluse as soon as they have kids (which 100% of them have done, I've yet to meet fellow childfree Aussies -- my hypothesis is that those who don't want kids move to other countries since Australia is so family-friendly). And if I'm honest, I find Australia too slow-paced/behind the zeitgeist for my taste. That's not a bad thing, if you want to raise a family this is the safest place to be, but I miss New York, Baltimore, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle...or abroad I love cities like London, Tokyo, Berlin. I paint as a hobby and find it hard to get inspired here. I also find myself frustrated at how sometimes complacent the population can be, they seem to love to complain about protestors more than they actually do anything to push back against problematic issues here. I was excited by the Harbor Bridge protest turnout, but we seem to never protest for our own causes in such numbers (e.g. indigenous deaths in custody).
If I am honest with my heart: When I first moved here, I always intended it to be temporary with the idea that I'd go back to my family and friends in the US. But for obvious reasons (including: the US has changed and I no longer have the same friends and family) I can't really "go back" in the way I want. But it's what I want, to go back to that life.
I also have (thanks to working in both US and Australia and saving because I know that I have no family or partner to help any more) a decent amount of retirement savings scattered across different retirement accounts in the two countries, which is great and I'm not going to say it's a bad thing, except I feel extreme pressure to make the right choice in what I do next because of the tax consequences. There's a big risk of double-taxing with some of these which, when I add to concerns about my increasing age and associated difficulty getting a new job or maintaining good health, gives me a fear of not having enough funds to fall back on if I make the "wrong" choice.
After all this text (sorry, kind of needed to get this out!) I don't know if anyone has found themselves in this kind of analysis paralysis. I know what I'm looking for (assurance that I am making the right choice) cannot be found, so I wonder what others in my situation have done to get over the hurdle of making a big and meaningful change in light of uncertainty and probably some downsides? Thank you!
Humble_Interest_9048@reddit
44F American here, can relate. After ten years in Istanbul, I’m also not sure where to go, but I know I need move on and have known for awhile. I research it every year or so.
When was the last time you were in the US to visit one of the cities you miss?
Yet-Another-Persona@reddit (OP)
I was just there for two months, mix of work and pleasure, which likely explains the post today as I'm still parsing the feelings that brought up. But then again I wasn't "living" there again, and holiday/work travel isn't a good substitute for what it would be like to repatriate.
I hope you find a solution with your situation!
Vladimir_Putting@reddit
There is no one right choice. You don't know how any of the choices are actually going to play out. You can't see the future. The only way to actually know what the right choice is would be test each possible future and find out.
So what to do instead?
Decide what your priorities in life are. Put in on paper. Maybe your 1 priority is health, maybe your 2 priority is closer relationship with family. Act according to those priorities. Choose the option that puts these priorities at the top.
If your priorities in life change, then adjust your actions.
The "what if" game is practically pointless and mentally harmful. So just quit playing it.
deltawavesleeper@reddit
The tax planning stuff - if you haven't already I highly recommend starting to employ tax accountants on both the US and Australian side. They should help you plan for the rest of your life, not just in a given year. I think the assurance you get from these services are worth it. In exchange you get a concrete goal and a peace of mind. There are many risks in life, like concerns about unforeseeable healthcare costs, outcome of investments, etc. But taxation shouldn't "feel" like a risk.
HVP2019@reddit
Well as you get older you are less likely to be convinced with: “everything is reversible”.
You’ve learned that not all things can be reversed so now you actually have to put some work calculating positives vs negative. Which, let’s face it, isn’t fun.
Take risks you are comfortable taking. Imagine less than ideal possible outcome. For example, you move to another location. And after few years you had learned that new location boring, you are struggling find friends, and relocation costed you more in taxes than you originally planned.
Move only if you are OK with such below average outcome.
This is like gambling in Las Vegas. Don’t gamble more than you are comfortable to lose. Your loses aren’t reversible but you are comfortable with this amount of losses.
ibitmylip@reddit
for this type of analysis paralysis, and advice on the bigger/high risk questions, have you considered reaching out to a therapist? they may be able to counsel you.
Yet-Another-Persona@reddit (OP)
Yes, I've been to a few (not entirely for this, but just over the years where this topic has come up). It hasn't been helpful to be honest. Many just have suggested "mindfulness" exercises to address anxiety or "get out and meet people" (not helpful when you already are), however, they admitted to not dealing with this kind of situation (immigration, displacement) before. I'm not saying it can't be helpful if you find the right person, but it's incredibly expensive to do the trial and error thing with no guarantee it will actually help.
Practical_Gas9193@reddit
Sounds like you have talked to bullshit therapists (there are many). Try therapy-in-English.com
Main_Scar8157@reddit
Here!! I am in a similar situation. Originally from Europe, been living in Canada for 10 years now, and I became a citizen as well. My paralysis analysis has been going on for nearly 2 years. I fell in love with Canada and I stayed in this bubble for 4 years. So it's safe to say I haven't really been happy the past six years, but rather felt stuck. People come and go, and like you, I wasn't able to build deep and meaningful relationships. The best people were other expats. It seemed like they were more open and well travelled. And I experienced the same thing: people move back to their home country their time here has ended. I'm in the same age range, so I totally hear you!! Pretty much overwhelmed with this situation I'm in, and it is exhausting! However I've made a decision and will move back to my home country. I do fear not being able to get a new job quickly. But I keep telling myself: I"m "just" in my 40ies. The longer I wait to make a decision, the harder it will get as I grow older. So I will bite the bullet now and risk the move. I fear the burocracy, tax implications and everything else that comes with the big transition. But I can't stay in this state of mind anymore. So you're not alone out there, stranger! And I'm truly sorry to hear you lost both your parents and have no support anymore in the US. Hopefully you can reconnect with old friends or find your chosen family. During my life here in Canada, I lost family members as well. I know how much it hurts to be so far away and not be able to be there for the loved ones. I feel guilty, I know I shouldn't, because there is no timing for sad events, but this nagging feeling comes automatically. I can't really help much, but I replied to let you know that there is at least one person out there facing the same dilemma. Sending lots of strength!! You got this!