MHAFB Gunfighter Skies air show crash video

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What squadron did these Growlers belong to? VFA-105?

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Imperial_Citizen_00@reddit

Thank you, I was with 139 many years ago and had a few buddies in 129…that was in 2014 though, many many moons ago

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Existing_Mobile4390@reddit

The Cougars! Thank you for your service!

I’ve actually got a question for ya. I’m a pnw aviation photographer and am nearby the VR-1355 route.

How wild must that be.
You're bodily, mentally and emotionally locked in to that airplane.
And all of a sudden, in little more than the blink of an eye, fuck you you're in a cornfield with bugs and bees flying around you. After being rocketed out your ass by that violent, but life saving, ejection seat.

slidellian@reddit

The premature what?

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CptSandbag73@reddit

Only the navy has premature ejections, it’s when the seamen come out too soon.

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gromm93@reddit

Looks like they heard a loud bang from colliding, the whole world went sideways, and made the instant decision that everything had gone pear-shaped, and it's time to get out.

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I get why you think that, cause its so unreal looking, but this footage is real unfortunately

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CalmpBump49@reddit

I'm not the only one

https://x.com/CWLemoine/status/2056089959300276732

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latedescent@reddit

I really hope we can get a second angle of this one.

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madman320@reddit

https://x.com/Brick_Suit/status/2056183711549608239

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latedescent@reddit

thank you!

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I was making a joke about the person above saying IA and not AI

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Rubber_Knee@reddit

Good job. No one got it.
If you have to explain your joke, then the joke sucks.

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BigJellyfish1906@reddit

What about mechanical error or electrical error?

Explain how that would make two planes hit. You didn’t actually think about this…

Maybe a system failed.

What system can fail and make them hit?

Maybe it was winds or wind shear?

No, that’s not how any of this works. Bumpy air does not make them fly into each other.

Thats my point.

Your point was to name a bunch of things that it definitely can’t be?

There have been other airforce and navy pilots that have crashed due to pilot error and kept flying after the investigation was over.

I didn’t claim they were never going to fly again.

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Ok_Recording81@reddit

So flight surfaces can not fail? Or systems that runs those surfaces can't fail? But ok. Im glad you know the exact reason why this happened. You should be in charge of the investigation board.

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BigJellyfish1906@reddit

So flight surfaces can not fail?

It wouldn’t cause that.

Or systems that runs those surfaces can't fail?

What on earth makes you think that when they fail, they just go hard over? When they fail, they just stop moving. So that can’t cause what we saw here.

Im glad you know the exact reason why this happened.

You are just further proving my assumption correct. We’re just going down the list of things it’s definitely not.

This ain’t my first rodeo. Mid-air collisions are ALWAYS pilot error. You won’t find any military accident report saying otherwise.

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Ok_Recording81@reddit

Flying close together but a flight surface failing such as elevators can not cause a collision? Wow. Hilarious.

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BigJellyfish1906@reddit

Flying close together but a flight surface failing such as elevators can not cause a collision?

No. How would that cause a collision? Walk me through this. You have no clue how these systems work. You’re just guessing. The EA-18 doesn’t even have elevators…

There shoukd nkt even be an investigation. Just interview the pilots and punish them.

That’s pretty much what they’re gonna do.

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Ok_Recording81@reddit

When I say elevators you know exactly what I mean. You know the thing that makes an aircraft point up and down from stick input.

Thats pretty much what they are going to do? You realize all the maintenance records are combed thru during an investigation? They look at weather, the briefing and so on. So no, it's not what they are goong to do. There will be a full investigation going over everything. Dude, you can not be taken seriously at this point.

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BigJellyfish1906@reddit

So flight surfaces can not fail?

It wouldn’t cause that.

Or systems that runs those surfaces can't fail?

What on earth makes you think that when they fail, they just go hard over? When they fail, they just stop moving. So that can’t cause what we saw here.

Im glad you know the exact reason why this happened.

You are just further proving my assumption correct. We’re just going down the list of things it’s definitely not.

This ain’t my first rodeo. Mid-air collisions are ALWAYS pilot error. You won’t find any military accident report saying otherwise.

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Ok_Recording81@reddit

Ok good to know. I actually meant to say control surface. Vocabulary was failing me at the time. Good to know if an elevator fails it would not cause a mid air when flying close together.

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KEPD-350@reddit

Man, the debriefing, the amount of paperwork, testimonies and just general fucking headache for these guys is going to be fucking hell.

They have a history of exciting ejections at air shows there.

What led to this? I am struggling to imagine how they got in this position.

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Techhead7890@reddit

What maneuver were they doing when they got stuck together?

They weren’t. They were repositioning for the next pass. And they both lost track of each other. That’s… not gonna end well for them. But they’re lucky to all be alive.

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lessdothisshit@reddit

Not a pilot, but the next best thing: 700hrs in the back of an EA-18G. This was an unsafe join. Follow your ABCs: Altitude, Bearing, Closure. Get established below lead, get on a 45° bearing, smoothly move in. The Growler demo team took a shortcut to make the join, and maybe you can occasionally--regularly--get away with a risky join, but not always.

Watch the Blues. Their joins are shockingly fast, but they always follow the ABCs of a rejoin.

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I can’t comment on the intended manoeuvre, but it’s all just aerodynamics and physics keeping them stuck together

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enataca@reddit

You can tell by they way that they are

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USA_A-OK@reddit

Neat!

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BattleHall@reddit

Looks really odd the way they look like they're glued together.

I watched an F-16 ejection prior to takeoff while I was in Iraq. Two planes at a time would head out on patrol, fully loaded for mayhem every hour or so. We were sitting on the wing of our C-130 taking a break from some engine work, watching other planes takeoff and land. The next thing we know, the lead F-16 has veered off into the grassy area between the two runways. We see the pilot eject, then his wingman go almost vertical to avoid hitting the chute. Then the F-16 did a couple front flips before going up in a ball of flames. Because it wad loaded for combat, the fire department refused to approach the wreck. So for the next 20 minutes or so we got to watch 20mm rounds cook off in the fire, along with a couple really big booms from the bombs/missles it was carrying.

LurpyGeek@reddit

Some people have fewer landings than takeoffs. This is the rare instance of a bloke who has ~more~ landings than takeoffs.

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Tight_Hedgehog_6045@reddit

Wowsers. What an incredible effort.

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mr_potatoface@reddit

Pilot landed both planes, got a promotion, became an instructor, then...

He died near Sale on 18 March 1944, when he was hit by a bus while riding his bicycle.

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Tight_Hedgehog_6045@reddit

Yeah that's pretty sad.

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shaymcquaid@reddit

Holy $hit!

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Carvair-98@reddit

Like a morbid final dance. I will say though, it seems to sort of show the excess power and maneuverability of the airframe, and the very unusual, basically on atop the other, way they collided.

Never seen any video like it, and I do sort of hate to say this but it's true...I've only ever seen it in War Thunder, when I've had a mess around with bomber AI in test flight mode. They can tangle up if you try. Of course, never lasts long. You either separate and glide away with trashed props, or get suplexed into the ground.

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bandsam@reddit

its like 2 crashes in 1 but lasted 100x longer

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Ok-Farmer-7361@reddit

that is how they reproduce in middair

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PercMastaFTW@reddit

Both the mother and father die after coming together.

Aviate. Navigate. Communicate.

Yup. Always fly the plane first.

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userhwon@reddit

Where do you defecate, normally?

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userhwon@reddit

The stacking makes some physics sense. The bottom one is being decelerated by the air, and the top one is no longer getting any air and is being decelerated by the bottom one.

Jazzlike_Climate4189@reddit

There may not be a published military doctrine stating it, but almost every USAF pilot who has ejected twice was found no longer fit to fly.

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Kardinal@reddit

Just repeating what I've heard from verified fighter pilots here and elsewhere.

Obviously to those for whom it is relevant, they know for sure.

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devoduder@reddit

And add that to the two that fell off aircraft carriers last year and it’s almost half a billion.

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sup3rjub3@reddit

all for the love of the game, baby. we don't need healthcare we gonna die young!

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We spend far more on healthcare than we do on the military. Its not that there isnt enough money, its that the money goes to corporate healthcare systems, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical conglomerates rather than ya know, actual people. Its a common misconception that our military spending is one of the reasons why our healthcare sucks but the truth is our healthcare sucks because the system is a putrid, festering blight of rotten corruption to its very core - and throwing more money at that system would accomplish nothing more than make the corrupt even more profitable.

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I've always wondered how the USA managed to mess up the basic idea of healthcare for it's population. Like how did the situation get as bad as this, and yet still the population seems entirely unwilling to do anything about it.

But your comment revealed just how absolutely owned the mindset of an American must be corporations, and went some way to explaining it. Thank you.

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VanillaTortilla@reddit

At least they weren't F35s this time.

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Kardinal@reddit

Not only expensive, those are special built EA-18G Growlers. There aren't that many of them in the fleet overall and Boeing isn't making the airframes for them anymore.

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SugarBeefs@reddit

and Boeing isn't making the airframes for them anymore.

It can't be that different from the regular Super Hornets and those are still being made.

Thankfully there are Growlers in the boneyard that can be activated. But also the Navy actually wanted to deactivate some Growlers and Congress wouldn't let them so the Navy doesn't think they need as many as they have.

Uhhh source?

AFAIK every single EA-18G airframe is spoken for (or destroyed). There are exactly zero usable Growlers sitting in the boneyard to just pull out of storage.

Also, the deactivation thing is not what you think it is. The Navy tried to deactivate the 5 land-based expeditionary units that they essentially loan to the Air Force (since the AF retired its own fast-attack jammers decades ago).

It's not that the Navy "doesn't think they need as many as they have", it's that they were playing a high-stakes budget game to try and force the Air Force or the Joint Staff to foot the bill for those land-based deployments.

Congress saw right through it, explicitly blocked the deactivation in the FY23 NDAA, and legally mandated a strict fleet floor because the Pentagon realized the inventory is already dangerously overstretched. Those jets were never retired; they are flying front-line missions right now. Today's crash actively shrinks an already legally protected, hyper-finite fleet baseline.

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See my edit. I recognized that.

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Thebraincellisorange@reddit

oh man, these were growlers?

damn, of all the aircraft to have crash into each other.

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Silverwhite2@reddit

What do you think the meeting on the ground was like?

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MCWoody1@reddit

There are only 153 operational F/A-18G Growlers in the fleet. We just lost 0.13% of them in one incident.

Right?

"My grandma can fly better formation than you"

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/4-crew-members-safely-ejected-following-idaho-jet-crash-ap-reports/277-ffa1e9e6-e66a-41a2-84af-f3090359cb41

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Reliable_Redundancy@reddit

Better View

Looks like number two had a little bit too much speed on the rejoin, flew over top of number one, and number one (not knowing he was there), pulled up into him.

The collision caused number one to pitch hard up, forcing the two together like pancakes, and together they stalled out and lost all forward momentum.

My god they were so damn close when they ejected.

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nugohs@reddit

Well the making of them did to some degree, though admittedly funded a few yachts too.

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CapacitorCosmo1@reddit

Each...so 200 mil. Glad they weren't flying pods....

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theoriginalturk@reddit

But don’t worry it was really cool to watch for 6 minutes

Fucking waste of taxpayer money

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fireandlifeincarnate@reddit

Look, if they're gonna spend all that money, we should at least get to see it

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theoriginalturk@reddit

Sure, we got to see it

The part where we lost almost 5,000 undergraduate full ride scholarships using some weapons of war for some entertainment

There’s no way to skin this cat that isn’t a complete waste, and it’s not the first airshow that’s cost a lot of money, I guess we’re lucky nobody was killed

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Old-GliderGuider@reddit

Great to see chutes. That is a career ending event. Great that all involved survived the accident. Difficult time ahead but, alive to see it through. That’s worth a lot!

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Putting my risk mitigation hat on, why were 2 “extra” airmen in those aircraft when not required for the operation of either aircraft for this particular mission (a demonstration flight)? Four lives were at risk (any flight is a risk) when only two were necessary.

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Looked like eagles mating! 🦅

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That would have been an F30. This is an F36.

MikeW226@reddit

I had the feeling it would be seen as dumb, but said it anyhow. 'Preciate it.

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Nousername58@reddit

Do you think they had an argument as to who was at fault on the way down?

DUDE! Wtf?!

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Satur_Nine@reddit

Can someone tell me what I’m seeing here? It looks like two hornets stuck together in midair

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ParadoxumFilum@reddit

Yeah…

Hornet A gave Hornet B a cuddle and the aircrew decided to not be involved any more than that

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When two growler's love each other very much, and want to show that love...

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eyeoutthere@reddit

You are number 5.

I am counting how many times I see this "joke" is repeated in this thread.

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ALLCAPS-ONLY@reddit

It's so tiring seeing an interesting question and the answer is just a pathetic joke everyone's already thought of

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KS_Gaming@reddit

It always surprises me how the same 17 jokes the whole reddit has in total keep getting upvoted, do people just see the same shit for the 394749391th time and go like hmm yes good content👍?

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eyeoutthere@reddit

That's usually my cue to leave a thread, but I was hunting for context. I ended up finding it in a comment further down. It shows how the two just ended up coming together:

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zogolophigon@reddit

What am I watching? Two aircraft colliding at an airshow? Didn't see it was two aircraft until i saw 4 chutes. All survived?

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R-ten-K@reddit

Well, when one F-18 loves another F-18 very much, they do this mating dance in the air and...

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I can make this joke after confirming all the pilots are all right but...

You know the top pilot's new callsign is "Humper"

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Aww look, the fighter jets are making baby jets.

Like, what the fuck is going on here?

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Was looking away for the first 5 seconds and thought “what the hell is that plane?” When I looked.

Wingman a/c seems to impact the vertical stabilizers of the lead a/c, pitching it up sharply due to a lever effect I presume. Now they're belly to back and they might be actually entangled/light impaled on each other to some degree.

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M H ?

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Roelmen@reddit

The sequence of ejection is spot on!

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Tajandoen@reddit

Good grief! When did this happen?

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Minutes ago

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Carribean-Diver@reddit

Amazing that we get footage like this mere minutes after an event like this occurs.

thisonesforthetoys@reddit

Today two F-18's mated in front of onlookers to create next gen F-36.

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I_Fix_Aeroplane@reddit

Airshows are so insanely and needlessly dangerous. I can't believe the FAA allows them. There are so many accidents every year from airshows. Mostly the smaller ones with jenky/poorly maintained ultra lights or antiques or just dangerous maneuvers.

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What is happening in the video? The two jets seems to be glued to each other?

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Total_Wrongdoer_1535@reddit

Probably one of the most beautiful crushes I’ve ever seen.

ParadoxumFilum@reddit

Thats a myth that was caused by the Martin-Baker Mk4, after the Mk6 ejection forces were significantly reduced. Most modern jets have a Mk16 variant

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So not really a myth, just outdated information?

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ParadoxumFilum@reddit

True, but that information is 40 - 50 years out of date

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javlarm8@reddit

42% in the Mk10 in this study alone.

CarminSanDiego@reddit

Glad they’re all ok but Why is there even a growler demo team? Growlers are just glorified/faster A-6

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Do you have confirmation they're ok or are you assuming because there are 4 chutes? We have friends on that demo team and we're trying to reach them or get any kind of confirmation they got a clean shot out and are indeed intact.

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Kardinal@reddit

There are photos of the air crew walking around in the other thread on this sub.

So they're at least ambulatory which is a huge positive sign.

Obviously full medical review will be done at the hospital.

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Bubbielub@reddit

Thanks for the info. We were able to get in touch with them.

Bright side, they just guaranteed their 100% rating when they retire/separate 😅

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Kardinal@reddit

Glad to hear it. That's always the #1 priority. The people are okay.

Hope the injuries are very minor!

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danit0ba94@reddit

How the heck do two hornets get locked up in a mating dance of death like this?

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Blue_Etalon@reddit

Man we’re seeing a lot of destroyed hardware all the way around in aviation lately. Or is just me?

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Kardinal@reddit

Just you.

Successful flights with no incidents don't make news.

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oldfarmjoy@reddit

Were they trying to fly in close formation and bumped eachother?

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Yup.

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LivingHighAndWise@reddit

Those F18s?

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Kardinal@reddit

EA-18G Growlers.

Based on F-18s

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AirplanesMakeMeHard@reddit

I was an F-15 crew chief at MoHo. You can still see the scar from the thunderbird that crashed so many years ago. Crazy it happened again there.

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Hegseth's DoD is going through aircraft like Kleenex...

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Fentron3000@reddit

That’s one way to earn your watch.

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Kardinal@reddit

You have to pay for the watch.

But the tie is free

https://martin-baker.com/tie-club/

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Still need to bail out first.

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The 12:30 unscheduled Martin Baker demonstration was a resounding success.

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This clip shows how they the collision started:

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Really surprised to see such clean ejections considering how close the planes were to each other. Good to hear the pilots are ok.

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Man, Mountain Home has the worst luck with Airshows.

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theurbandragon@reddit

there something almost comedic about this shot, would of expected the two planes to just go boom, like in a movie.

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That’s actually insane footage, damn.

The fact no damage to any of the chutes occurred is so lucky JFC.

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failureat111N31st@reddit

I can't imagine the feelings they must have had seeing 1-2-3 good chutes (plus their own) and then the wreck unfold below them. "We're all alive but holy crap"

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MMaister01@reddit

Now that was close formation flying!
Glad that the crew is ok.

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Jolee5@reddit

Holy shit!

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Pencil72Throwaway@reddit

WTFFFF was just there yesterday and it was a great show...especially the growlers. Guessing it happened during a reposition before another maneuver? Glad all 4 punched out but this sucks for both the Navy, MHAFB and all Sunday attendees.