UЅ, Сhina and Russia prefer a divided Europe, Kallas warns - The EU’s top diplomat said foreign powers dislike the bloc because it is stronger when it acts collectively
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BigDicEnergy@reddit
Kallas is such a deeply embarrassing figure
Czart@reddit
They had that. Western part was happy to coexist. EEU was screeching to high heavens but got ignored. So what did they do? Prove EEU right lol.
Apart from the cliche "divide and conquer", EU has much more political and economical strength than it's members alone. And if remilitarisation continues, possibly even military strength in near future.
While true, they are also probably wary of the possibility of Europe reestablishing itself as a major geopolitical player. Even if that's purely out of historical grievances, which i can't really blame them for.
Oh she's pissing off all the right people. That alone is worth it.
snowflake37wao@reddit
Point.
Point.
Point.
Anddd. Point.
With that pokerface call the bluff Ima call it here. 0-4. I give the debate to you. Well done.
it really is just a great quite your bullshit tell huh. “Apes together strong!” > “Boo, you’re a complete and utter embarrassment!”
Where have I heard that before..? Oh shit. My side of the lake.
big_cock_lach@reddit
The US doesn’t want Europe to be a bloc anymore. It worked for the US when they were trying to gain power and influence over all of Europe, but now that they’ve achieved that, this bloc is almost as powerful as the US themselves and is no longer subservient. US companies are particularly frustrated at being held to stricter regulations with huge fines that they can’t escape or remove, which is believed to be a big reason why Trump is supporting anti-EU politics. It’s clear Trump wants to break up Europe to make it subservient again.
Russia has largely been the antagonistic one there. Europe tried to open their arms to Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union which is the reason why they depend heavily on Russia for energy. Putin made it clear that he didn’t want this, but rather to rebuild another Russian empire akin to the Tsarist Russia or Soviet Union. He’s been pretty antagonistic to old Soviet nations since his inauguration which directly threatens the rest of Europe.
China is *probably* in a similar boat to the US, but we haven’t actually seen them do anything. It’s not like the US where we can see them actively wanting the EU to be broken up, so it’s a harsh accusation to make here. That said, it is likely something they do want, they’re just not stupid enough to act so brazenly on it like Trump.
BigDicEnergy@reddit
The EU is completely subservient to the United States; antitrust legislation does not change that fact. EU financial, military, trade and energy policy is effectively controlled by the US and the EU is a very useful trojan horse for this. Trump sperging out over dumbass shut does not change this, the US monoparty-financier complex charted this course decades ago.
The existence of NATO makes Russia-Europe hostility a solid 2-way street. Europe, a largely barren continent, got fat on cheap energy from Russia because hydrocarbons don't have politics. They are now fucking Ukraine and themselves over to own the Ruskis, meanwhile defence spending is ramping, energy costs are spiraling and their populaces are getting Hitlerific after self-caused refugee crises fighting American wars and Wall Street-imposed austerity post-2008.
China literally just wants to trade. Europe is a big consumer market and a producer of advanced technologies. China just wants Europe to stop banning their shit at the request of the US. China could buy ASML lithography machines and sell world class wireless router tech but daddy America can't allow it.
Apprehensive_Emu9240@reddit
China just wants trade is quite an oversimplification. China has been forcing EU corporations into joint venture for decades. Now that the EU is thinking of enforcing the same they are suddenly angry. They want to divide us internally to stop us from standing strong as a united trade bloc.
haggerton@reddit
Now who's doing an oversimplification?
The Chinese are mostly mad because they were targeted. If EU forced everyone into joint ventures, it would not have been targeted discrimination/hostility.
Apprehensive_Emu9240@reddit
Not an economic move? Are you really trying to argue it isn't protecting supply chains, industry and jobs?
Supply chains: COVID taught us how important supply chains are. Being dependent on one supplier is dangerous. It's only normal to want to diversify.
Industry&Jobs: The only moment this became an issue was NOT because monopolies are Chinese. The problem is China is taking over in sectors Europe used to be formidable in. We never championed in tech. We're not losing jobs there. In industry we are losing jobs.
June1994@reddit
China isnt angry at all lmao. Theyre building factories in Europe and are happy to do so.
Apprehensive_Emu9240@reddit
They're threatening with "retaliatory sanctions"
June1994@reddit
So stop sanctioning them? China set out terms for trade, they didn’t “sanction” EU before engaging lmao.
Apprehensive_Emu9240@reddit
You didn't read what I wrote before? LMAO
June1994@reddit
I did. Im replying to it.
What are you confused about?
Apprehensive_Emu9240@reddit
Short term memory not your thing, is it?
June1994@reddit
You’re the one confused. But i see you’ve given up on good faith discussion.
Apprehensive_Emu9240@reddit
Well, I stated the EU was going to implement the same policies China has already been implementing for decades. You chose to ignore that because it didn't fit your narrative. There is no point in having discussions with the likes of you.
June1994@reddit
Yes, and China is fine with that
I didn’t ignore it. I already addressed it. Chinese companies are already building factories in EU and transferring tech.
What you’re confused about is that you think that China is preparing sanctions to coerce EU into more favorable negotiations.
When the reality is that China’s new Anti-Sanctions law is deployed directly against sanctions, not trade negotiations. Precisely because US and EU governments are trying to cut off Chinese companies from US financing, or worse, simply seizing Chinese property. Like with the Nexperia debacle.
So no. China is perfectly happy to play ball with EU JVs and tech transfer. It’s all going to be negotiated of course, but they’re not going to sanction you to get ahead in negotiations.
The most sanction happy place in the world is Brussels and Washington. Not Beijing.
So no. I didn’t “forget” anything, I addressed everything you said, and you’re the only one confused here.
Socraman@reddit
China just wants to trade, but of course it wants to trade to its own advantage using their smart and massive industrial policy. Europe loses in this because of stupid laissez-faire economic policy, so to compete in trade and technology with China it needs a unified industrial policy. It's in Chinese interests that this does not happen, and that Europe is a continent of wealthy spenders that sell second rate products and buy Chinese stuff.
ScaryPillow@reddit
Your first paragraph is anti-EU and America. Your second is anti-EU and anti-America. Your 3rd is too. You Russia-China shill, you.
ZackRaynor@reddit
China wants to be the producer and seller of subsidised goods to the point that Europe loses that capacity. This would give them more leverage in trade, similar to when a lot of US manufacturing was taken abroad.
Monterenbas@reddit
If Russia wanted a less antagonistic Europe, they wouldn’t be invading European countries, lmao.
Illesbogar@reddit
"A less antagonisti europe" bruh
Apprehensive_Emu9240@reddit
Kuro-Dev@reddit
Europe wasnt very antagonistic towards russia prior to crimeas illegal annexation. They did this to themselves.
The US doesnt really know what they want right now, they just throw tantrums. What they support is anything that makes trump money.
China is a whole nother can of worms. The reason for distrust is that any chinese technology or service is always, without fail 100% spyware. There has never been any doubts of this being the case.
All three of these powers want to manipulate and plat europe. A united bloc hinders that for all of them. I hate that they turn europe into a plaything.
PurpleMclaren@reddit
Its pretty clear that allying with Russia/China would be beneficial for EU..
WannaAskQuestions@reddit
Not to mention, our politicians and the us ones have openly expressed their desire to balkanise rus
kolitics@reddit
The US would love a united Europe that can pay for its own defense and be a trading partner. Economically it is one of the US’s largest trading and investment but the US spends a lot of its budget to be able to carry in a NATO conflict.
Make-TFT-Fun-Again@reddit
Well you’re gonna love this: we already pay for our own defense! In fact the entire nato standard revolves around American wartoys! The US has been profiting off nato not just politically and militarily- but fiscally as well. Spread the word to all your friends i’m sure they’ll be thrilled to hear it.
champagneface@reddit
https://www.brusselstimes.com/1878031/us-aims-to-persuade-four-countries-to-leave-eu-leaked-files-suggest
kolitics@reddit
A step up from a Europe that underpays with countries where it is politically popular to oppose US but have very little skin in the game defensively. Definitely not as good as a united Europe that can manage its own defense.
darkvaris@reddit
You are either clueless or actually spreading information.
kolitics@reddit
a hit dog will holler
Chipay@reddit
Is that why the US has been non-stop complaining about no one helping them with their own war in Iran?
Have the American dogs been hit in the Middle East?
kolitics@reddit
No, it was referring to when I said "countries where it is politically popular to oppose US but have very little skin in the game defensively." and the lower NATO contributors Spain and Belgium showed up without needing to be named
Chipay@reddit
There isn't a single country in the world where it isn't politically popular to oppose the US right now, so you could just drop the first requirement.
darkvaris@reddit
And oh how you’ve been whining
I-Make-Maps91@reddit
Or an American fascist who lies from both sides of their mouth. No reason to assume stupidity when maliciousness is right there.
Monterenbas@reddit
The US spent a lots of its budget on its personal military, but very few on NATO proper.
kolitics@reddit
The “personal” military of the US is the one that’s showing up to defend Europe if they are attacked. Having pursued “personal” strategic objectives like securing the world’s largest oil reserve for the west or preventing Iran from sitting on hormuz with nukes where they might want to cooperate with their neighbors across the Caspian to shut off all the energy to Europe. Some are forgetting the world part of the world war the US is on the hook to fight.
Monterenbas@reddit
Is it tho? How do you differentiate what’s « for Europe » and what’s use for America little adventurism in South East Asia or the Middle East?
Do you believe that if the US were to totally leave Europe tomorrow, your defense budget would decrease?
Lmao, what? The flow of oil was perfectly fine, before the US dediced to wage war on behalf of Israel and disrupt the global economy, for the only benefit of Netenyahu.
The f is that even supposed to mean?
ivlivscaesar213@reddit
Repeating Trumpism rthetoric isn't really considered a valid argument here.
Hyndis@reddit
American presidents have been urging Europe to take its own defense more seriously for generations now, even throughout the Cold War too.
kolitics@reddit
The US preferring trading relationships predates Trump
Chipay@reddit
I suppose you must be deeply embarrassed then about the US rejecting the EU's free trade agreement proposals for more than 15 years, and counting.
BasicBanter@reddit
Uh oh are we making things up again?
JoeyAndLueyShow@reddit
I find it difficult to unite behind her and many EU leaders. We are probably more divided now than ever and it’s entirely due to external influences
_Antitese@reddit
entirely because of external influences? no, it's not. Europe has it's own problems. Stop trying to blame others for your faults, like americans do when they claim the US is divided because of Russia.
Infamous-Cash9165@reddit
Yea a lot of the anger with the union seems to be that many countries were forced to take in middle eastern refugees when the populations of those countries had no desire to do so.
OrderOfMagnitude@reddit
And those angers are stoked by hostile online entities.
MikeMonkEcho@reddit
One doesn't need Russian trolls to see what wrong with third world countries immigration when he living where they end up. One doesn't need Chinese trolls to see that this so-called "European Democracy" wipe its ass with rejected referendi.
You've absolutely no clue about why many European are rejecting this European abomination.
Beatboxingg@reddit
ICE nazis in the replies
_trouble_every_day_@reddit
Crusades, colonialism, capitalism all different words that mean European looting the rest of the world starting with Asia. Fuck what you want.
Monterenbas@reddit
We’re not Russia or the US, we don’t need a big macho man authoritarian leader, to rally behind.
sarevok2@reddit
part of the issue imo is that we as eu citizens get no direct saying to who is representing us in the commision.
Apprehensive_Emu9240@reddit
The problem there is the hypocrisy of most parties in Europe. Back in the mid 2010's Guy Verhofstadt presented the suggestion of having the EU Commission be directly elected. Most parties in Europe, including the far right and far left who hypocritically complain about it, rejected the idea. The fact of the matter is that a directly elected EU commission means the EU council holds less power. Right now they choose the commissioners. They see a direct election as an infringement on the power of nation states.
Apprehensive_Emu9240@reddit
You say that but the statistics contradict that. Never have Europeans been more pro-integration than right now. Evidence of this is for instance many far right and far left parties that have stopped asking for the dissolution of the EU, because even they realize how unpopular that would be.
WannaAskQuestions@reddit
She, in the role of chief diplomat fot the entire continent, is an utter embarrassment.
Trollimperator@reddit
Are we? Anytime i visit France, Netherlands, Belgium or the skandinavian countries i dont feel that. Quite the opposite actually.
Many see the EU as equal or more important than national government/politicians when it comes to representation. Personally, i would be also feel as a european before a german.
Quazz@reddit
Don't unite behind some politician, unite with fellow Europeans against those who would tear us apart.
usesidedoor@reddit
Obviously in a system like this there are different ways of seeing and doing things, but I don't think we are more divided than ever right now than ever, no, especially not after Brexit, Russia's war on Ukraine, and Trump's increasingly hostile rhetoric.
MikeMonkEcho@reddit
We don't want her shitty *United States of Europe*. [No, no, no](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._No._No._(Margaret_Thatcher)). We voted [against](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_European_Constitution_referendum) [it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum). This parasite - and her gang - represent no one and her words carry no weight.
12bEngie@reddit
If it wasn’t for american capital getting dumped into the EU, and perhaps nuclear bombs, the nationalist europeans would’ve ripped each other apart 50 years ago
Furdiburd10@reddit
France has nukes. Just sayin
12bEngie@reddit
Why I said “if it weren’t for nukes”
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