Is this hybrid AM5 / Amazon US upgrade plan crazy? (i5-12400F -> 7800X3D)
Posted by Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 40 comments
Hey everyone,
I’m currently planning a major core upgrade to get maximum performance in competitive titles (Fortnite, Valorant, FC 26).
Right now, I am experiencing major CPU bottlenecks in heavy 1080p gaming loops. Here is the plan to move away from my current Intel setup while keeping it budget-conscious by carrying over my storage and GPU for now.
My Current Setup:
- CPU: Intel i5-12400F
- Motherboard: ASUS Prime H610M-K D4
- RAM: 32GB DDR4 3200 Mhz
- GPU: RTX 3060 12GB (Keeping for the new pc, upgrading to a 5060 Ti 16GB later)
- Storage: Kingston NV2 1TB NVMe SSD (Carrying over to the new pc)
The New AM5 Core Plan:
- CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
- Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE
- Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite AX (Picked this heavy-duty board specifically for VRM headroom because I want a clear path to drop in a heavy Ryzen 9 or next-gen X3D chip down the line)
- RAM: G.SKILL Flare X5 Series 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL36-36-36-96 [Model: F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5] (Amazon US)
- Case: Montech XR Panoramic Glass
- PSU: 750W 80+ Gold Fully Modular ATX 3.0
Because local component markups where I live are absolutely diabolical (the motherboard alone costs almost double retail here), I’m buying the RAM, Motherboard, and Cooler on Amazon US, and buying the CPU, PSU, and Case locally to keep a walk-in warranty on the heavy stuff.
Total cost for the upgrade parts is coming out to roughly $1,200
What do you guys think? Is the 7800X3D worth the platform jump while holding onto the RTX 3060 for a bit, or would you change any of these parts?
Plenty_Article11@reddit
3060 is next to useless, would recommend used 3070 for $200 or 3080/4070 for $300-400 USD.
Keep your platform and find a $130 12600kf or $200 12700kf.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
Well I was thinking about buying everything from amazon except PSU and PC case, so basically
CPU,MB,CPU COOLER, RAM. The total came to 997 $.
And yes of course I'll sell my PC except GPU and SSD, but I don't know what to price my PC parts, it's been used for 3 years but been cleaned every 6 month.
Plenty_Article11@reddit
If spend $1,000 and not get GPU include is bad deal. Just GPU will be much better.
Luckyirishdevil@reddit
This might sound crazy, but why not source a used 13600K/14600K and see if that makes a difference? If not you could sell it back for the same amount. I went 13700K to 7800x3D and I didn't see much uplift.
A GPU upgrade is going to make a much bigger uplift
Grettys_@reddit
I did a similar upgrade since I only play esports games at 1080P low like Val, CS2, etc. I went from a 5600X -> 7800X3D, and I kept my RX 6600 gpu. My old setup was probably roughly equal to your 12400F/3060 setup, and I have a lot to say on this upgrade type. I'll try to organize my opinions below, since I yap a lot. Read whatever you find useful, but I have many thoughts / experiences on this.
Perf Upgrade (objective FPS numbers)
The maximum theoretical benefit, can be upward of 70 to 100% in pure CPU bound scenarios. Thing is though: your 3060 needs a lot of help reaching that, even in "CPU bound" games. You will need to optimize to death - I'm talking like basically lowest graphics all the time, and GPU OC if you are really trying to min-max.
For the games I play: My benchmarks showed roughly 700 AVG / 300 1% low in CS2, and I seem to get 600 to 700FPS AVG in Val after all in-game tweaks. My originally setup was maybe 70 to 80% slower, as I remember it was 350 AVG / 160 1% for CS2 on my 5600X. I will say, the GPU bottleneck is technically "visible" sometimes. In-effect however, it's the difference between 700FPS avg (on 3060) and 900FPS avg (strong card) while minimum or 1% FPS stays the same. So, basically, a non-perceptible difference.
Also, I am less familiar with Fortnite / FC 26, but the pattern should be similar. AFAIK, you will still see FPS uplift, but those games are generally more GPU-bound, so the "70 to 100%" number might look lower for those. Fortnite is similarly CPU-bound at lowest settings, but FC 26 seems it would be GPU-bound on a 3060 (I could be wrong though). Take of that what you will.
Subjective Experience (my opinion on the upgrade)
Honestly? Both noticeably better and underwhelming at the same time. At the same HZ, games do always feel consistent, but it's not life changing. In my opinion, I would say you NEED to upgrade your monitor to have your new higher FPS = HZ, or else it's mostly deadweight. I had kept my 165Hz monitor, and although my old setup did drop below 165fps sometimes, it wasn't as bad as I made it out to be, so the 7800X3D didn't do much. I have the old 5600X PC with a 1660, and it's not that much worse feeling when both setups run at 165Hz. If you FPS is greater than HZ like 90% of the time, it's good enough.
In the end, I lucked out buying a 360Hz monitor, and I am happy feeling the extra FPS now. The gameplay experience is definitely way nicer, though you may be less excited depending on how much you care about these "little things" while playing. It seems you have a 240Hz (correct me if I am wrong), so the 7800X3D might be overkill if you choose to keep it. You may be able to get away with a cheaper CPU upgrade; I'll suggest it in the next section.
Verdict / Measuring it's "Value" (advice on your purchase)
Overall? It's a specialized upgrade, you need to know that before going into it. The value proposition is really terrible by 'most standards', as the FPS/$ is really low. Someone who plays 1440P AAA games will have to spend WAY less trying to achieving a similar 70 to 100% FPS uplift, from say a 3060 to a 9060XT. Basically, you pay the premium for almost building a new PC, and for the fact CPUs don't scale their benefits for cheap.
However, if you live and breathe these high FPS Esports titles - it is objectively the best upgrade for the lowest cost. You do also have a "new pc" which can slot in a GPU upgrade later. So, if you plan on keeping the PC for a while, it is a 'more worth it' long-term investment for your entertainment. Maybe you could get a 1440P 1000Hz monitor with your 11800X3D and 6080 in 2030, or whatever it is by then, lol.
If this situation seems unlikely, consider switching to a 14600K/KF for ideally $300 to $350ish. It will "get you over the line" for reaching a stable 240FPS more often, unlike your current 12400F. You will be left with probably like $800 more to spend on whatever else you want. From what I've read in the comments, I can say as a fellow working teen, you may be happier buying other goods. Personally, I invested in my health through sleep gadgets, meal prep, and some supplements, after running maybe 1100 out of my original 1500 savings on my PC setup. I was going to get a 9060xt but I skipped it after realizing I was already more than happy with what I had. The left over 400 made me realize I enjoyed other things at the time, even if I was really focused on getting that good PC. Consider what you else you like, you're probably better off at least "getting a little bit of everything". It might not be a factor if you budgeted very intentionally, but if you are "budget-conscious" try your best to not overspend on a few extra fps. The <$400 14600k upgrade would be my first choice, but if you go 7800X3D you could sell the left over parts, and make spending $1200 easier to stomach, maybe like $600 net cost
Anyways, sorry for the long yap, but hope what I said helps :)
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
First of all, thank you much taking your time writing all of that.
So if I understood correctly, just by upgrading my CPU to I5-14600K/KF I'll have the 240 Stable FPS in fortnite and Valorant ? By the way, I researched a lot about the amd Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and it is absolutely ridiculous of how insane that is, that's why I'm so stubborn to upgrade to THIS specific CPU, becuase on YouTube I saw people playing with that CPU (Of course I know that they're ram and other specs is better than my current setup) and the results everytime are crazy. 500 FPS over almost every game.
The issue with upgrading to intel i5-14600k/kf is not only that I will have to lower perfomance wise in BIOS, I also don't know if that will give me that stable 240 FPS that I want, you know ?
Grettys_@reddit
Hmm, I think I understand a bit better, and I looked up some facts.
Now, so while the 14600K will still work in your motherboard on the 65W mode, the upgrade will go from 30 to 35% more FPS to like, 20% more FPS. It will be smoother, but the difference is more minor. If your shop accepts returns, maybe try it out? Like drop it in, and see if it's good enough? It will be closer to giving a stable 240FPS experience in both Fortnite and Valorant, so you will probably still end up happy with it. It won't be perfect, but it'll be noticeably better.
The other option (going for the 7800X3D upgrade plan) is not a terrible choice, but my "money sense" would say it's too expensive for the FPS / smoothness gain you get. The case for picking it is better if you can repurpose or sell your old parts. I mean, you don't have to sell anything, but you "waste" what isn't really used in my opinion. It's mostly excess FPS beyond 240Hz, and unnecessary money on non-contributing stuff like a new case, psu, etc, which are costs that should be avoided if they can be
To be honest, the 7800X3D really is designed for a fully new PC setup at the 2K to 3K price range, so trying to squish it in can be awkward at these low budgets / upgrade paths. If you feel like you want it as a stepping-stone toward a future 2K to 3K completed setup, then it's more sensible. If you can sell or repurpose your old parts, then that's a good worthwhile second use. If you only want it for the FPS right now, I would definitely skip it, as the value isn't really there in my opinion. At the end of the day though, it's up to you, and I don't think you'll be upset if you end up the 7800X3D upgrade realistically lol. It's what I did and I'm happy with it.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
Yes I anyway want new setup + I want to build my very first own pc, so that's a great chance, literally Win-Win situation.
The thing is, I don't know how much to sell my PC for, like I know if I sell the parts it will be more but even then idk what to price each. I have this pc for 3 years and been cleaning it every 6 months.
gankernation@reddit
I suggest keeping the setup and upgrade your monitor for 1440p let's see where the bottleneck is after.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
I don't want better resultion or anything simillar, I just want to 240 STABLE FPS
seanxfitbjj@reddit
At the end of the day you’ll need to upgrade everything then not just the cpu or gpu. Look for some bundles and pull the trigger on some x3d cpu and good luck but try and find a 5060ti
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
Where could I find good combo? I know I need to upgrade everything but also don't want to spend a lot of money.
gankernation@reddit
What I was referring to was your gpu isnt keeping up with the newer games The better upgrade path is your gpu first and wait for the next iteration of CPUs to come out. Like zen 6 or Intel core ultra 300
cremvursti@reddit
You could go for a 14600kf and be able to use the same motherboard (you'll have to limit the power consumption, but realistically you'll lose like 5-10% performance tops) and ram.
MaleficentBig1153@reddit
Different socket.
seanxfitbjj@reddit
12-13-14 intel are the same socket
aragorn18@reddit
What leads you to believe that you are having major CPU bottlenecks? The RTX 3060 isn't so fast that it should be majorly bottlenecking a 12400F.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
Every time I play, I also use MSI afterburner to test the usage and temps. The usage between them is ALWAYS signifcant, like the CPU can be at 90 % usage and the GPU at 40%, and the FPS is lik 80-100, all on low, temps never reach 70% so it def not thermal throttling.
And since the FPS is low, and I have the PC for the 3 years, isn't it a good time to upgrade ?
So yeah I just want people second opinion about the PC parts I picked, don't want to regert it later lol.
MaximumFlounder9110@reddit
One of my pcs is going on 6 years old with an 8 year old gpu… thinking 100fps is “low” is hysterical
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
Sorry but it is loll
MaximumFlounder9110@reddit
You would have never survived 90s video gaming
WizardMoose@reddit
The games you listed should not be using that much CPU usage. I don't have a 12400f to test right now, but when I did have one, I was getting really good performance out of it on games that are way more CPU intense.
Something else is going on that's causing this.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
Care you help me figuring out what is it ? Cause I simply cannot. I tried everything up to date, I have dual channel running at full SPEED, like idk what to else to do, I gave up.
aragorn18@reddit
Then this sounds like a good plan.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
Thank you, what do you think about the PC parts I picked ?
aragorn18@reddit
Looks good to me.
greggm2000@reddit
They seem reasonable, but do get a higher wattage power supply, since presumably you don't want to have to upgrade that, when you later upgrade your GPU.
AllUserNameBLong2us@reddit
Your not going to notice a big performance change using a 3060, for $1200 you can do an entire 5060ti build that is going to be close in performance to a 7800x3d build. Or you’re going to end up spending 1800 on a 5060 build to have a x3d chip with a low-mid gpu that’s going to hardly give you a performance difference.
I went from a 10600 32gb ddr4 3080 to a 7800x3d 32gb ddr5 my steel nomad scores and fps difference was within 15%
Every benchmark you see they are using 4090s and 5090s it’s not the same FPS increase when you are using a mid or low range card.
What do you think is going to be better
7600x/9600x/250k
Mid range mobo
32gb ddr5
5070ti/9070xt
Or
7800x3d/9800x3d
High end mobo
32gb ddr5
5060ti/9060xt
These are going to be similar in price and first system is going to smoke the second system in every game hands down. Eventually down the line get a x3d chip used when they come down in price, you’ll end up spending less with way better gaming performance.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
So what are your final suggest ? If I already upgrade I should the CPU I should also upgrade the GPU with it or ? Sorry I'm just overwhemled about everything you said lol.
Additional_Past_7107@reddit
7800x3d is a wonderful chip it uses a 3rd of the power of a 14900k and beats it for gaming and its not even close. Its only competition is newer x3d chips. My only 2 suggestions are you could go with the 7500x3d or 7600x3d now and save money for a gpu upgrade sooner and to look at an 850w or 1050w montech century 2 psu they have 10 year warranty and would save an upgrade if you get a bigger cpu/gpu combo down the road.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
Wow, everyone recommending me better Power supply, I will definitely upgrade.
The CPU recommendations are interesting. I'm 16 and I just got a job as a waiter so I don't really mind to save money about the GPU, because I know I will have to save up a few paychecks, for now I'll use my 3060, should be just fine for 1-3 months right ?
Additional_Past_7107@reddit
Yes the 3060 should work for years to come.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
Yeah but don't forget I'm going to upgrade my CPU.
Symphonic7@reddit
If you do buy a better PSU, get a 1000W platinum model. I've had two now and they are absolute tanks and have been able to power my hungry ass GPUs with zero instabilities. And it completely got rid of my coil whine that was almost unbearable with my old 650w gold.
Borigh@reddit
Are you near a Microcenter? If so, you should get the CPU, MBD, and RAM there.
Also, I’d recommend everyone who’s buying a PSU now get the Montevh Century II 1050W for $90 on Amazon. $90 is a good price on their 850W PSU - $90 for a >1000W A-tier PSU is truly insane.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
I don't have Microcenter in my country. But if you know a place where I can order a combo of RAM, CPU and motherboard with the CPU I want lmk. Maybe would save me some money.
Additional_Past_7107@reddit
I have been running a 5090 on one for a year I love it.
Symphonic7@reddit
I'm a league of legends addict and made a similar jump but from an i7 6700k. While my CPU could more than easily hit 240 FPS (for my monitor's refresh rate), it would dip hard during big team fights. Upgrading to the 7800x3D felt like playing an entirely new game. My FPS never drops below 200, and its incredibly consistent.
The upgrade made sense for me, and I think it would make sense for you as well.
Eastern-Bluejay-4029@reddit (OP)
Thank youu.
aragorn18@reddit
Then this sounds like a good plan.