Why did Croatia give its 12 points to Serbia at Eurovision? You're not supposed to dislike each other ?
Posted by Outrageous-You1617@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 212 comments
ThePurpleKing159@reddit
As a Croatian...I love my Serbian neighbors. They want us to hate each other, but I got two words for you....
Inko21@reddit
Same. In fact finding a girl from Belgrade is a fetish of mine š
WarlockGuyD2@reddit
I guess bro
ThePurpleKing159@reddit
Fetish? Dude...Dont kill the point of my message.
Inko21@reddit
Well, fetish is a strong word. I do find them sexy as hell. Could listen to them talk for hours.
ThePurpleKing159@reddit
Fair enough š
CaptainMadMorgan@reddit
D-Generation X!Ā
404_said_it_first@reddit
one love
Fred_Neecheh@reddit
Love from Serbia
Griffith1210@reddit
Why would we dislike each other? The war was stupid, but I would NEVER say anything bad about Serbs, ever! The countries have been sharing a lot together for over 1300 years: language, cultural similarities, etc. I have friends from Serbia and they treat me just like family.
best_decision1234@reddit
Thatās basically the case between every two random Balkan countries when they are neighbors
amazingamy19@reddit
No, just Serbs and Croats/s.
MomcheMusic@reddit
Pretty much this. Hence why the language was called Serbo- Croatian and not Serbo-Macedonian or Serbo-Bulgarian. Huge difference between Bulgarians and Serbs.
amazingamy19@reddit
I mean, i do think we are more similar to Croats, but we also have similarities with Bulgarians.
No one would freak out if didnāt give them points tho.
StGeorgetheDragon@reddit
What about Macedonians?
amazingamy19@reddit
Are more similar, or would we freak out if we didnāt give them points?
StGeorgetheDragon@reddit
I live in the USA and I didn't vote bc I didn't know how. As far as Macedonia goes I heard some negativity from a couple Croatians who were complaining about Macedonians speaking Serbian. Also they were acting like they just spoke Croatian. Like there wasn't a Serbo/Croatian language.
amazingamy19@reddit
Macedonian and Serbian (Serbo-Croatian), are not the same language. They are somewhat similar, and partially intelligible, but not the same.
Maybe in some basic convo we could understand each other.
Mostly foreigners use the term Serbo-croatian, Serbs in Serbia call it Serbian, Croats from Croatia call it Croatian.
The difference is most Serbs donāt have a problem with foreigners calling the language Serbo-croatian, because they think of it as the same language (same language with different dialects), and most Croats, on the other hand, think of it as actually two separate languages.
StGeorgetheDragon@reddit
Yes šāāļø you're right š!
rrrzrrr@reddit
Interesting you say that, because from what I gather linguists basically consider the language a spectrum from Slovenia to Croatia to Serbia to Macedonia and then Bulgaria
MomcheMusic@reddit
I understand croatians when they speak. I understand about 75% of what slovenians say when they speak. I understand about 50% of macedonians say when they speak. I understand about 10% of bulgarians or rumanians when they speak. I probably understand russiana a little better than bulgarians or rumanians. Hope that helps.
Dismal-Host-9057@reddit
Romanian? Now why would you understand Romanian as a Slavic speaker?
MomcheMusic@reddit
Romania sometimes gets lumped into Balkans in some peoples minds .
StGeorgetheDragon@reddit
Romanians aren't Slavic maybe that's why there's only 5 percent understanding. Also I thought Romanian was more Latin bc after all they came from Rome, the country not the city. Romanian and Serbia get along like Greeks and Serbs bc they are all Orthodox Christians.ā¦ļøš·šøš²šŖ
amazingamy19@reddit
I mean, i do think we are more similar to Croats, but we do have similarities with Bulgarians.
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
What was shared for 1300 years?
For 1300 years they were in different spheres literally, only in 1850 was the language made the same.
If you said for 74 years that would make sense (Yugoslavia)
That_One_Guy1357@reddit
In reality, Southern slavs as a group were often borderless, until quite recently. We were in the same sphere under different authorities most of the time. And in regards to language, it was always a dialect continuum, the lines were rarely drawn there too, this is the case with a lot of languages and countries in Europe, like French and Italian, that doesn't make the Italians or French less similar, just reflects the way that regions and languages functioned in a more fractured medieval Europe.
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Bro said āsame sphere under different authoritiesā like Habsburg/Venetian/Hungarian Croatia and Ottoman/Orthodox Serbia were just couple of best buds living next to each other, without borders, chilling.
Bro really moved to China and still can't stop making shit up.
That_One_Guy1357@reddit
Yes that's exactly what i said, and that's how a lot of Europe functioned in the middle ages. Peoples without a state had no reason to stay loyal to another one, so constant immigration and contact beyond borders were somewhat necessary, and the norm. This is not something that is unique to southern slavs at all.
Think about ethnic groups that don't have a state in the modern age, it's much rarer than before, but some like the Kurds and the Balochi show the exact same characteristics that I'm describing.
Griffith1210@reddit
Slavs settled on the Balkans over 1300yrs ago. The DNA is nearly identical. The language, the Shtokavian dialect of Eastern Herzegovina, was agreed upon in 1850.
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Yes original Slavs. Serbs are on average 50% Slavic today. The rest is the original Balkan population which the Slavs mixed with. Croats are diverse and go up to 70% Slavic, some also have up to 30% Germanic in the north-west. Southern Croats and northern Serbs have a similar slav-balkan mixture, so they're close genetically.
The cultural spheres were on opposing side of the west-east divide. The language was made the same only in 1850, exactly.
So the countries have been together for 74 years, and in different cultural spheres for more than a thousand!
No_Abbreviations3943@reddit
A budaleā¦
Hour-Promotion-2496@reddit
Jebiga, nije dobro zivjeti u mrznji, ali necemo ni tu izmisljati bajke
Griffith1210@reddit
I "must" have germanic ancestors too then, coz there are blondes and redheads in my family. š My grandmother on my mother's side had bright-blonde golden hair. I saw pictures of her when she was young. That was, in her prime, one of the most beautiful faces I've ever seen. My grandmother on my father's side had red hair. I was stunned how pretty and slim both were. Both grandfathers were tall, strong, very masculine and good looking - one had black hair, one brown - and notorious womanizers.
Ur-Best-Friend@reddit
People see Balkan countries disliking each other but they don't realize we dislike everyone else even more. /s
Prestigious-Job-9825@reddit
Maybe young Croatians and young Serbians don't hate each other so much
shysamurai@reddit
They do.
Eurovision attracts the progressive types from all countries. Paints a false picture.
SansBouillie@reddit
Literally as deep as it goes
shysamurai@reddit
Thank you.
Finally someone reasonable.
I have no idea where this 'we're siblings that sometimes quarrel, but we actually love eachother'. When all we do online and in person is provoke and antagonize eachother.
Hairy_Builder6419@reddit
Of course you're right. But current threats are bringing more and more together. There are many ultra nationalists working together now, more and more groups combining every year. They see what is happening to the rest of Europe.
shysamurai@reddit
There's higher possibility you will live to be 200 years old than to witness Serbian and Croatian nationalist groups working together.
As i said, eurovision crowd is the most progressive out of every country. So it's only natural that they hold positive views. By it's nature it's a minority and so are people who hold extreme hatred for the other side.
But default setting for both nations is dislike.
MomcheMusic@reddit
Maybe if you are brainwashed diaspora or from some backwards village in middle of nowhereā¦ but thatās not true at all. Many Serbs do business in Croatia and vice versa and go on holiday there and also a great many former Yugoslavs are of mixed ethnicity marriages and have bloodlines that spread across different ethnicity. So no, not true that all Serbs have hatred for Croatians. Best of day to you.
shysamurai@reddit
Never said all Serbs.
Just the majority. Same goes for Croats.
MomcheMusic@reddit
Well , then I am minority BS. Half the family are old merchants from Belgrade , and the other half are old austro Hungarian plebs from Slovene/Croat regions.
shysamurai@reddit
Never said all Serbs.
Just the majority.
amazingamy19@reddit
It doesnāt have to be love or hate, one or the other, but we can all TRY do be better neighbours.
Etsikaietsi@reddit
It came from the fact that we, for the most part, can work together. Iām really not that progressive but actually hating an entire nation is insane. Thatās more of a Croatian thing.
CamelAmbitious7425@reddit
Exactly, right wingers and Nationalist usually dont watch ESC
Necessary-Noise5578@reddit
I always found it kind of boring but would never watch it now because of Israel and the double standard.
Unable-Stay-6478@reddit
Not really.Ā
Mission_Comedian5585@reddit
Speak for yourself. Normal folks i know cant wrap their head around hating an entire nation full of different people. Tribalism is a disease.
Gemascus01@reddit
we donāt hate each other there are a lot of gaming servers where we play together and have fun as a team
New_Breadfruit5664@reddit
And even if you hated each other. What's stopping you from hating everyone else more? Just you know... Together?
ImplementOdd108@reddit
thats our afternoon hobby. But its not hate its just saying the truth in a gritty way. If you are mad at a comment its probably truth.
ZonzoDue@reddit
Bosnians : chuckle Iām in danger
DinoTh3Dinosaur@reddit
Haters unite!
Shibakyu@reddit
...isn't this how Yugoslavia started...?
(Just to be clear: this is a joke)
Gemascus01@reddit
Generaly all Slavs hate everyone equaly so that there is no discrimination towards anyone
Miloslolz@reddit
In 2009 one of my good friends on World of Warcraft was Croatian, we trusted each other so much we even account shared.
Stverghame@reddit
Despite my current online conflicts with Croats on reddit, it is indeed true that my first online gaming friendship was with a Croat almost 17 years ago lol. We did a lot of stuff together back then.
I can imagine that such scenarios are even more prevalent today, though I don't play games that include other people so I would not know.
Holiday-Step9703@reddit
That was a thing even back in my days of online gaming back in 2006. I was in a clan with Serbs and Croats mixed, we always played on each othersā servers etc. Yeah there was a sporadic retard that caused trouble but they were eliminated
hrkljush666@reddit
I hate them so much that I want them to win.
Daki399@reddit
Didnt Serbia audience also give Croatia 12 points ? Didnt watch really but thats what i heard
dinhox69@reddit
As long as Israhell doesnāt win Iām happy
RebootAndPray@reddit
I suspect OP is karma farming.
But in case you genuinely want to know: Eurovision votes arenāt based on some online fantasy that Croats and Serbs spend all day hating each other. People in both countries still listen to each otherās music, collaborate professionally, and speak mutually understandable languages.
Serbian singer Zorja PajiÄ even contributed to the lyrics of the Croatian song. And the Serbian audience also gave Croatia the most points.
So yes, some normal people in both countries simply voted for a song they liked. Shocking, apparently.
buteljak@reddit
Costume designer for both groups is a croatian
Legal_Lettuce6233@reddit
One of the coolest pics from Eurovision tbh
crivycouriac@reddit
OPās premise is entirely correct though. Take a look at how (or whether) Armenia and Azerbaijan vote for each other.
RebootAndPray@reddit
I donāt think that comparison really works.
Armenia and Azerbaijan were in a frozen conflict for roughly 25 years, then fought a full-scale war in 2020, with armed clashes continuing up to what, 2-3 years ago? Serbia and Croatia, by contrast, signed peace in 1995 and havenāt had a conflict since. For someone who is 30 years old today, the war is basically historical memory rather than something they directly lived through.
Also, despite political tensions and nationalism still existing, thereās a huge amount of everyday interaction between Serbs and Croats now. Many Serbians vacation in Croatia, many Croats regularly spend weekends in Serbia, many young Serbians work on the Croatian coast during summer, and because thereās effectively no language barrier, people consume a lot of the same media - social media, streamers, podcasts, music, etc.
From what I know, Armenia and Azerbaijan are much more socially and culturally separated. Their language barrier alone makes shared spaces far more limited (unless they speak Russian or English).
That's why I donāt think the overall relationship between our societies is really comparable at this point.
True-Blacksmith4235@reddit
Donāt let this drama distract us from the fact that Azerbaijan randomly gave us 10 points. lol
Thank you brothers from Azerbaijan!
Outrageous_Score1158@reddit
Svadba, the movie where a croatian and serbian family make amends, was the movie with the highest box office score in croatian filmmaking HISTORY.
PestoBolloElemento@reddit
Cool film
PaymentIll611@reddit
Did he translate the lyrics form Croatian to Serbian? I heard lots of people from there claiming they are two different languages š¤
RebootAndPray@reddit
Serbian and Croatian are like American and British English. You can immediately tell them apart by accent, style and some words are different here and there but that's about it.
Just like an American and British person who've never been abroad can talk with each other about any subject and intuitively understand everything without a translator, so can we.
Djunkienky00@reddit
No man Americans are too dumb, some may think American and English are separate langauge because of a few different words here or there
NCH-69@reddit
Also the 12 points are more often then not regionalni given So Balkans, Nordics and east Europe will always share the 12 points with each other
Proactive_Criticism@reddit
They'd be surprised to know that Serbia got 3 points from Albania
Intelligent_Pizza776@reddit
bc our judges were ÄACI i remember reading that they fired some people so im not suprised
also i remember 2024 serbs gave points to croats but they didnt to us so this year we didnāt to them and they did to us i find it so funny next year watch it be us giving them points them not giving us any againššš
AdvantageStatus4635@reddit
yeah Jelena TomaÅ”eviÄ is big big Äaci /s
baalkankaa@reddit
Not true, croatian jury gave 3 points to Serbia in 2024. Itās not a lot, but still itās not nothing š¤·āāļø
Intelligent_Pizza776@reddit
i mixed up years then because i remember this scenario
kesqe_@reddit
Holy ChatGPT
Outrageous-You1617@reddit (OP)
I'm not a karma farmer; I read the answers and ask these questions for my own personal knowledge. Thank you for your reply.
brmbrm123321@reddit
I will throw up
amazingamy19@reddit
Donāt throw up on your birthday.
DraganBravo@reddit
It's because of Izraeli-Äaci jury Serbia did not give anything to Croatia. But, your question is why Croatia did gave 12 points to Serbia and that's the confusing part.
Whole-O@reddit
The dislike you are talking about is to a large degree one big political theater at this point that there is a fatigue for it. Like a Steven Seagal movie that is being overplayed on a budget TV channel.
There is also 2 Serbias and 2 Croatias. 1 pair like each other, the other pair hates both each other and their own citizens who don't think like them. You can see how the latter works in what is going on in Serbia right now.
StGeorgetheDragon@reddit
?
peechwise69@reddit
politicians hate, people don't
zvoncici@reddit
Maybe its about songs
(I am disgusted by what we let out)
Number1NoCoShipper@reddit
why is it so stereotyped that were all like cats and dogs?
PeroCigla@reddit
Serbia gave 0 points to Croatia. Idk what to say about the Croatian jury except this: š¤¦āāļø
Land_of_allwins@reddit
Why? Everything about that competition is BS, why bother with it?
PeroCigla@reddit
Cause stupid things bother me š¤·āāļø
Land_of_allwins@reddit
I guess you worry a lot then...
PeroCigla@reddit
sigh
zargug2@reddit
Well we usually do that.
zanimljivo123@reddit
You're confusing it, croats and serbs from serbia don't hate each other. Croats and serbs from former krajina/vojna krajina and bosnia and herzegovina hate each other
klariklari@reddit
Nije moglo bez Ndh.
zanimljivo123@reddit
Sta sam krivo rekao, samo sam rekao koji je razlog. Srbi iz bih i lrajine su patili pod ndh, srbi iz srbije nisu. Prirodno je da srbi iz srbije nemaju losa osecanja prema vama
JRJenss@reddit
Jbt NDH je bila do Zemuna.
zanimljivo123@reddit
Pa sta? Samo je obuhvatala srem, niko iz banata, backe, sumadije, juga srbij kosova itd nije stradao of hrvata pa je normalno da vas gotive
JRJenss@reddit
Ma dobro, kužim...nit ne brijem da bi se trebali mrziti nakon 80 godina ali je svijest o holokaustu srpskog naroda bitna. To je sve kaj hoÄu reÄi
shysamurai@reddit
Bilo bi ti draze da je napisao Hrvati bez da napomene da je NDH ? Mogao je i tako.
Pissofshite@reddit
This is not true at all, there is no hate between Croatians and Serbs in former krajina, I grew up there, there still lives a lot of Serbs and there was never any hate. I have so many Serbian friends that never left Croatia or came back straight away after war finished.
zanimljivo123@reddit
Bs
shysamurai@reddit
Has some logic, but not entirely true.
Bulgarians arguably did 2 genocides in both WW's here in the south of Serbia. Unspeakable stuff.
Yet it's one of the more popular destinations for us in the south.
Noone here hates Bulgarians truly, very small minority.
We are over it, just the kind of mentality we have in the south. We remember but don't hold the grudge.
But i've seen Serbs from other parts of the country that were not affected by the occupation, even from RS, adopt the stereotypes about Bulgarians being untrustworthy and speak of them with disdain.
MomcheMusic@reddit
You are taking about events that happened during the Balkan wars. When Slavs agreed to go south and take over ottoman lands as far south as they could reach, but then stabbed each other in the back and it became everyone for themselves. Bulgaria made a move towards the Adriatic and Serbs prevented them for reaching it. I really donāt think anyone cares or remembers any of that anymore other than bookworms. Even my grandparents generation hardly mentioned it much as the events of WW2 and the dreaded post war rebuilding years became much more ingrained in everyoneās memory. Of the stories I am familiar with and if they are all true, my parents and grandparents generation were literally starving and freezing to death in the post WW2 rebuilding years.
shysamurai@reddit
Bulgaria occupied south Serbia in both World Wars. Both occupations had for their goal destruction of Serbian culture and language and supplanting it with Bulgarian. Serbian men were kiled and women assaulted with the aim of Bulgarian children being born.
Literal genocide.
While it is true that the roots of the conflict started in Balkan Wars, Bulgaria did it twice and got away with it unpunished. It happened in the same timeframe as NDH genocide.
MomcheMusic@reddit
You are talking about what happened in Macedonia and IMRO and the roots of the Macedonian and Bulgarian conflicts. Part of my family background are old merchants from Belgrade and I can assure you they never mentioned much about Macedonia events as they are very far removed from those events.
zanimljivo123@reddit
That's interesting view. Serbs from my region did not underwent bulgarian massacres but we were still enemies on thessalonica, and they still killed alexander of yugoslavia. Remember that he was our king too. So we had clashes with them too. People from the south of serbia don't seem to hold grudges which is interesting to me. Before i felt the same towards all enemies of serbs, but lately not so much, i feel negative only about those who directly affected my region. I do not care anymore about bulgarians albanians or hungarians, like i used to
Fair-Impress2078@reddit
People donāt hate each other, politicians do.
Temporary_Rub_1402@reddit
Diaspora
AngemonComandex@reddit
Let me guess, karma farming?
fuckitsayit@reddit
Maybe after 30 years we cool now?
Playful-Rope1590@reddit
Why is this news? Have people not watched ESC before? This was not first time Croatia gave 12 points to Serbia, nor will it be the last. Croatia also gives points to Slovenia and to Bosnia when they still took part..
I get that people wants the myth of Balkan people hating eachother to be true. That we avoid eachother. But truth is we don't. Especially young people don't care. We are friends, visit eachother's countries.
We have the same musical taste so of course we vote for what we know. Serbian artists visit Croatia and vice versa. And Bosnia too. Even Slovenia
AmrakCL@reddit
Why wouldn't we? Taste is subjective but it was in the genre I love lietening to, the vocals are impressive, hearing metal that's not in English is not really common, the theme is relatable, and the guys are really charismatic and loveable. When I compare the votes I sent with the Croatian public, we overlap on 8/10 songs. Don't believe hate peddlers, our people don't hate each other, but there is enough nationalism on both sides to sow division because a threat close by is a convinient topic to distract from internal corruption.
Zerdjo2004@reddit
only retarded people hate each other on a national basis
lemonfreshhh@reddit
As a Slovenian, I'm loving this!
iMoac@reddit
We hate Turks way more than each other. I am a Croat and we donāt really hate all Serbs or any people.
Time_Attorney3782@reddit
Turks feel that.
UnfunnyGuy277@reddit
Cause the war was retarded
Less_Leg_3390@reddit
Iām Croatian, and IDGAF about the Eurovision Song Contest.
But from my personal experience, I hold no grudge against Serbians. My aunt is Serbian; we all love her. My neighbor is Serbian-he stayed during the war, was well-liked, and had no issues staying AFAIK. When my grandfather died, over 30 Serbians helped prepare and assist with the funeral.
I'll not hate, even though my cousins suffered and fought during the war, and I can understand their bitterness over losing comrades. There is only one way forward.
crisis_code_ddr5@reddit
I care that much of eurosong that i didn't wach it in last 15 years , religion,politics that what make borders and divide nations we all human beings end we are equal just stupid people argue and no see the truth what this world becomes...we are just on the bottom of the pyramid...don't let hate divide us human beings...
Physical_Dream9103@reddit
we are same same , but diiiiifferent
Land_of_allwins@reddit
Regular people do not hate each other. Only nacionalist idiots and a small percentage of people that got their families killed directly by the "other side".
What amazed me, though, is that people take to the heart this totally bullshit competition of bad music and overexaggerated scenery.
miiiiiiiii123@reddit
Eurovision mentality is the opposite of sports, you always want the country closest to you to do well no matter how much you don't like their song. Serbia and Croatia always exchange points, except for this year where Serbian jury didn't give Croatia any points but the Serbian public gave Croatia 12, which i assume probably means that some pro-government people had been chosen as Serbian jurors which is sad.
Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro always exchange points, just like often Greece and Albania. The Montenegrin jury and public both gave 12 points to Serbia even though literally 2 days ago it was all over the news how the Serbian president said that Montenegro should have never left Serbia and how Serbia "loved Montenegro more than anyone". So, no matter how much cold blood exists between us, Eurovision does unite us for a night.
crivycouriac@reddit
The Serbian jury did give 10 points to Italy, which was the main sponsor of the ustaŔe back in the day
idleWizard@reddit
If Serbia is not playing, I know we always cheer for Croatia at the soccer world cup. You can always find hateful individuals but in general people don't behave the way media and politicians would like you to believe.Ā
SentenceTop1585@reddit
Serbian people also gave us 12 points
Serbia and Croatia don't have a people problem, we have leadership problems
Chetnik government (VuÄiÄ was MiloÅ”eviÄs little helper) is the most problematic
Croatian government is corrupt, but lightyears ahead, especially PlenkoviÄ
I see him like a Croatian Delboy
NoSync22@reddit
It doesnāt take much to be better than VuÄiÄ, but calling HDZ light years ahead, with the tolerance they have been showing for fascism and the recently renewed gusto for military paradesā¦ meh.
SentenceTop1585@reddit
meh, fascism - I'm sure if there really was fascism, EU would find a way to sanction it
I didn't say hdz, just compared the two prime ministers, one is a chetnik, the other is a corrupt soulless bureaucrat who is more of a Bruxelles player in Croatia then vice versa
NoSync22@reddit
The EU didnāt find a way to sanction Hungary trampling over every single founding ideal for over 10 years, it sure as heck aināt gonna sanction Croatia because HDZ turns a blind eye to the Thompsons of this world.
SentenceTop1585@reddit
not Croatia - you see, there is this thing called personal responsibility...
but it also has to be proven with facts, times of punishment without proof is long gone
todays Croatia doesn't have anything to do with the sins of the past
OmeletteDuFromage95@reddit
You don't understand, it's like sibling feuds. Only I can shit on my siblings. Someone from the outside enters the picture, they can get fucked. So even if I don't like my brother, you bet your ass I'm gonna put my support behind him over some outsider.
... Is the mentality of the Balkansš
mrluks@reddit
Dont understand why people think this is the case. Go to any European subreddit or similar and its full of Balkaners trashing other Balkaners.
OmeletteDuFromage95@reddit
That's exactly what I just said lol. Balkan era can trash other Balkaners but non Balkaners can't.
mrluks@reddit
Nah, the Balkaner will be glad that the European joins in on trashing the other Balkaner. This is why he goes to say, r/europe to trash him. To get validation from non-balkaners.
OmeletteDuFromage95@reddit
I mean, I'm sure that happens but it's a bit antithetical to OPs point lol. Whenever there is a team going to whatever championship and our country is not there we root for the other Balkan nations. I've seen this time and time again across the board.
SuperConcert8949@reddit
Now, the fact we do it publicly doesn't mean its not true.
Daseagle@reddit
That is precisely it. Only I can trash my other balkaner. You can't.
mrluks@reddit
Except we trash them *infront of the world* and then *agree* with the world that the other Balkaners are trash.
Daseagle@reddit
That we do. Must be some ancient curse or something.
Kaamos_666@reddit
Unfortunately right per my observation. You guys donāt back each other and always fall victim to divide and rule. Thatās how Ottomans conquered all Balkans, and thatās how youāre under the influence of different bigger powers from time to time; be it Russia, EU, USA, or whatever. If you could have united, you could have become a regional power.
OmeletteDuFromage95@reddit
Sadly true. There was a brief period where it seemed possible but then that collapsed and here we are again. We're never getting out of the gutter because we are our own worst enemy. We keep letting people divide us over the smallest dumbest shit.
GemeraldPoster@reddit
some balkaners have been led astray
JRJenss@reddit
Scandinavians have the same mentality among each other. Source: I'm a balkaner living in Denmark
BlueStag155@reddit
Always division on reddit...
ivanjurman@reddit
No hate, but thatās proof they got the points simply because theyāre our neighbours, because it sure wasnāt because of the song, I wonder how it even got into finals
Mravac_Kid@reddit
Because, as Slobodan Milosevic said back in the '80s, "Nitko ne sme da vas bije" meaning "nobody is allowed to beat you", generally joked as meaning "except us". š It's us against them, so when the others try to get involved we help each other until the others are out of the picture, and may the best man win. š
Phlebas3@reddit
Serbia and Croatia may hate each other, yes, but they hate everyone else far more than they hate each other :D
CoughPhi@reddit
MrÅ” u piÄku materinu! Nisu mogli skupiti niti jedan bod za Hrvate? Nadam se da Äe se hrvatski žiri sljedeÄe godine sjetiti ovoga i dati im ono Å”to zaslužuju...niÅ”ta.
amazingamy19@reddit
Dali smo 12 od publike.
Na to smo mogli da utiÄemo.
CoughPhi@reddit
Pa jebote, i naŔ žiri je k'o raj za budale. Dati 12 bodova toj katastrofi od pjesme? Totalno dno dna, majke mi.
amazingamy19@reddit
Ajde, ajde, ako se toliko trigerujeÅ” oko evrovizije, nemoj gledati sledeÄe godine.
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
Jbte priÄaÅ” o naÅ”em raspalom Äaci žiriju, bukvalno je sacinjen od sns botova, na Å”ta smo mi koji moj tu mogli da utiÄemo, te ljude preziremo jednako kao i vuÄiÄa, narod je glasao i dao hrvatskoj 12 poena, to je jedino pravo merilo u ovoj situaciji. Majmuni iz naÅ”eg žirija glasaju kako im žvalavi kaže.
Bright_Battle9080@reddit
Presumably minority people of serbia in croatia
amazingamy19@reddit
They gave us 12+12 (jury and the public).
SamiboyN@reddit
The people mostly like each other. Its the stupid people and politicians, that mostly hate each other. People mostly on the Croatian side, politicians mostly on the Serbian side
Zagitrooper@reddit
We don't really hate eachother. If you ask an average Croat or a Serb on what they think of eachother, they would just say that they don't care or have a neutral opinion. I would call our relationship good or bad, just neutral.
technotronica@reddit
No, in fact we all love each other. No love like a threesome between a Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian. When the balls clap against each other, when it goes balls deep, when Bosnia gets double penetrated etc
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
Because, on the contrary what some people think, majority of Croats & Serbs couldn't care less about 90s. It's been 30 years, smart people do not live in the past.
Yes, we shouldn't forget, but we should also move forward.
karlowolf05@reddit
People gave 12 points to Croatia, and that's more relevant anyway. Jury is probably politically instructed.
ESC-H-BC@reddit
I mean, if you have followed that contest some years you realize its something normal. I mean, they practically speak the same language, share the same musical and tv scene, also the diasporas.
AnySpecialist8179@reddit
Because in our jury was people who definitely don't deserve to be there, but also depends on song too. If we like song and this year we like, than we vote for it, if not than no. It's the same for croats. People vote for song, not for politics or history.
mahnatazis@reddit
Some extremely nationalist people do hate the other country but unfortunately they are just brainwashed by our horrible governments. Why they still want us to hate each other, I have no idea.
Keke_Papaya@reddit
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Ujemegaz@reddit
Maybe they did like the song.
Beautiful-Walk48@reddit
Albania's song was really good too, they got a point from the serbian televote too
Ujemegaz@reddit
I noticed that juries, in total, gave us less points last year, but public much more. This year the jury gave us more points but the public less. Last year's song was far more catchy and had a more intersting stage. I am starting to think that maybe Eurovision is not as unfair as most think. There are many good songs which are not appreciated. Think of Moldova for example and the epic saxo guy. Still to this day, i regret they did not win.
Beautiful-Walk48@reddit
That was the televote results, not of people scratching their heads at the 4pts one lol but regardless, doesnt look anything close to the jury vote.
I enjoyed your guys song, was good. Lol yes Moldova always brings like a party fun song lol, France with their singer was amazing too I thought.
TryAgain_error_404@reddit
The votes came form the Albanian communities who lives in Serbia
Beautiful-Walk48@reddit
Song was still good, take the compliment.
TryAgain_error_404@reddit
As an Albanian, the song was emotional and all but definitely not gay and lgbtqfriendly enough for Eurovision.
Beautiful-Walk48@reddit
HAHAHA yes, youre right
although Poland's song was calling people to pray and she didnt have a beard, maybe you just have to get rational right? Less clothes, then morals are acceptable hahaha
According_Tax8778@reddit
RedditAnonDude@reddit
Because England was that bad
PraviPero@reddit
Because we arenāt brainwashed by our governments who are run by pre-war nationalist tyrants
404_said_it_first@reddit
Bravo... we actually love each other, and when i say we i mean all of us thinking people. OFC there's alway gonna be some brainwashed individuals, but who the f gives a f about them...
404_said_it_first@reddit
ah one another hate spreader... no we dont you fuc*er
EddieDexx@reddit
Jugoslavija š
InternationalPie1306@reddit
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Eurydica@reddit
Yeah, Eurovision is famous battlefield, we still have rememberence day for Seljko Joksimovic.
vvuukk@reddit
fuck off
MrDilbert@reddit
Why does France help UK and vice versa, aren't they supposed to hate each other?
Senior-Profession711@reddit
It has nothing to do with hate or love. We are part of a similar or the same language area. That is why many Croatian singers perform in Serbia, and vice versa. On Serbian Eurovision forums you can also find some Croatian commenters. Itās all about the language. Serbs are the largest minority in Croatia, so they vote as well.
shysamurai@reddit
We do dislike eachother.
It's just that Eurovision crowd is minority in both countries, such people don't care about history or politics.
It presents a very innacurate picture of Serbian and Croatian relations betwee between people.
Beautiful-Walk48@reddit
I dont dislike any peoples š i dislike the government's haha
shysamurai@reddit
Very nice.
Then you fall into the crowd i mentioned in the comment.
Beautiful-Walk48@reddit
Idk what to tell you, whenever im in each country its fine, people are lovely and help as much as possible (strangers) regardless of what dilact i speak to them.
Whole family is intermarried between Serbs and croats, we are more on the Orthodox side so that makes serbian, you do a dna test is comes as croatian lol. Like to me the hate that surfaces, obviously I can understand, I was born into the war, but its exactly the same crap ottomans did and other powers did. Divide and conquer which carries on today, so I dont really buy into this oppositional stuff personally. Its politics and orchestrated by governments and our people fall for it. One day they'll learn I hope.
Sorry if this got too long for a eurovision post lol, I just find it boring the arguing and nastiness.
shysamurai@reddit
No problem.
I understand. But things are how they are, no use pretending otherwise.
zanimljivo123@reddit
What you said is true. Eurovision fanbase mostly gathers most liberal guys out there who don't give a f about their nations, people or history. As you said, they do not represent majority of people very well
PavelKringa55@reddit
Our jury is a shame, that's why.
Beautiful-Walk48@reddit
They didnt over throw the govt fast enough
SufficientAccount211@reddit
The saddest thing is that most of us genuinely donāt think Serbiaās song deserved 12 points from a professional standpoint.
Whole-O@reddit
Don't try to speak on behalf of "most of us" unless you're speaking of your split personalities
SufficientAccount211@reddit
Most Croats, in fact, think there were better songs(Bulgaria, Moldova, Greece, Romaniaā¦). Serbia was okay, but not the best, and not deserving of 12 points. But whatever. Itās just a show after all.
Whole-O@reddit
Source: your ass? Most Croats voted for them, which resulted in 12 televote points. And for the record, Croatia doesn't always give Serbia 12 points in the televote, but only when the song is actually liked.
Beautiful-Walk48@reddit
Serbians everywhere seem to be genuinely shocked their jury didnt give hrv the 12pts, but they gave it in the tele votes
SufficientAccount211@reddit
Thatās okay, they can. I think from a professional viewpoint Serbiaās song was fine, but definitely not the best out there.
Beautiful-Walk48@reddit
I thought both songs were unique compared to the line up this year and enjoyed both, neither were a dance hit. Albania and Romania's ones were also excellent (in balkan catagory)
Normal_Designer3869@reddit
Gentleman we are
Bardosaurus@reddit
No because we arenāt a hive mind that hates the other hive mind. I go to Croatia all the time, speak Serbian and have 0 issues
sajkoterrapefft@reddit
It's just like the nordic countries. They all hate on each other but defend each other if an outsider does the same.
amazingamy19@reddit
Because itās polarising. There are all kinds of people. You canāt generalise like that.
And people who vote in Eurovision are more liberal.
But people here will never understand.
Someone literally asked here how comparable our relations are to Israel and Palestine.
Like, itās obviously, obviously not perfect, but itās not like that.
More of us engage each otherās subreddits more than here, and if you have shared media space, you are going to interact more commonly and regularly.
Large-Assignment9320@reddit
They hate each other, but they just hate everyone else even more. The balkan solution.
Leading-Attempt-7364@reddit
As a Croatian, Serbs are dealling with so much shit right now that i cant hate them now. When they solve their's problems we can continue to hate each other.
RestaurantBoring417@reddit
No, there are no problems with regular Serbs, especially since they are culturally similar, but Serbian nationalists? Worst people on this planet alongside Ultrazionists, Russian nationalists, Turkish nationalists etc.
Daseagle@reddit
Dude. Get it straight. He's a retard, but he's MY retard and if anyone is having a go at him, it will be me, not your skinny outsider punk ass š
What can I say. Balkans.
Designer-Touch9263@reddit
What an stupod question
oioioioioioiioo@reddit
Eurovision might be one of the only things that unites us apparently