Why do soviet transport / commercial aircraft have glass noses?
Posted by Pilotdanik77@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 248 comments
In the images that I put (Il-76 / An-22 / Tu-134), all the aircraft in question have glass noses, why? Are they just converted bombers? It would make sense for something like the Tu-116, which was based off of the Tu-95 bomber, but for aircraft like the Il-76, it just wasn't made for bomber operations, solely as a transport. So why?
Traditional_Hold1820@reddit
Navigation, it's where the navigator sits
Pilotdanik77@reddit (OP)
But why doesn't he sit with the other crew members in the cockpit?
Stegosaurus69@reddit
So he can navigate
Pilotdanik77@reddit (OP)
But like why does he have his own area of the aircraft to himself? Why does he need a big window? Western planes don't have that, why soviet transports only?
Petrostar@reddit
Western transport airplanes don't have tail guns either.
schuylkilladelphia@reddit
You could tell me this was from Star Wars and I would 1000% believe it
judgingyouquietly@reddit
What if I told you that a ton of the Star Wars look and effects (minus obviously lasers) were based on WWII and later conflicts?
The trench run in the Death Star was based on the Dambusters Raid in WWII, for example.
Albertoplays111@reddit
Defense from birds
Cyborg_rat@reddit
Canadian planes added that against geese flock attacks.
jello_sweaters@reddit
Canadian here.
If the geese want you dead, it's happening.
ComesInAnOldBox@reddit
Vandeleur1@reddit
Take it from an Aussie, it's not worth escalating the conflict. Just let the damned birds have their way.
Callidonaut@reddit
I understood that reference.
nd4spd1919@reddit
Ask yourself a question: What could the navigator see in the open sky to help them navigate? Now, what could the navigator see on the ground to help them navigate? Try a little critical thinking here.
Great_Specialist_267@reddit
Soviet bombers had the exact same configuration (and frequently shared crew).
Preindustrialcyborg@reddit
eyes are pretty good navigation aids, especially when youre flying lower to the ground.
swift1883@reddit
Cessna Citation needed.
shahtjor@reddit
Those things were engineered yo land on fields. He gets much better vision from the glass dome, and helps the pilots to put it down safely. Must have been unreal sensation. Seeing the ground come up to your face
I_Thranduil@reddit
Bruh stop kink-shaming the navigator please, he may just want to get his job done next to the window but still in privacy.
Gryphus1CZ@reddit
So he can see the ground, eastern countries were relying more on visual navigation rather than instrumental
zenzvik@reddit
so that he has a much better view of the ground ahead and below. back when these planes were designed, navigators relied on paper maps
Petrostar@reddit
For better visibility.
Beautiful_Jaguar_413@reddit
Looks like the best seat in the house.
By-Eck@reddit
Because back then the Soviet Union placed more emphasis on visual navigation than the west. The USSR didn't have an extensive network of radio navigation aids and many airports were basic. Best place for visual navigation is facing forward.
CMDRJohnCasey@reddit
A bio-radar
swift1883@reddit
Give me one blip, Vasili.
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Great movie. Especially because Putin is the first one who dies.
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Shend the doctor to my quartersh. There’sh been a terrible accishident.
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There’sh been a terrible acceshent
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I really don't watch many movies. What is this one?
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The hunt for Red October.
DaHick@reddit
Thank you very much.
padizzledonk@reddit
One ping only
ArlenrocketLeMay@reddit
Son, the Russians don't take a crap without a plan.
WholeInstance4632@reddit
My Morse is so rusty, I could be sending him dimensions of Playmate of the Month.
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Next time Jack write a God Damned Memo!
MechanicalTurkish@reddit
🫰🚬🤢
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Ne par Russki?
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One ping….one ping only
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blyatiful
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blyap
VegaJuniper@reddit
A bidar for short, not to be confused with gaydar which is a related but distinct technology.
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You’re going to have to google it, too long to explain here. You might find others with similar questions over at r/bicurious
tmaspen@reddit
Meanwhile, given the continuous attacks on us queer folx, I'm bifurious
MechanicalTurkish@reddit
Not to be confused with BIFAR
Maro1947@reddit
Not Bifar?
Possible-Tangelo9344@reddit
Brodar
Numeno230n@reddit
Eyeballs in their noses
TruePace3@reddit
Bio...robots....humans...
zmanisblank@reddit
Comrade soldier...you're done.
TruePace3@reddit
*low crackling of the geiger counter"
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Not good a joke, but not a bad joke
TheDamnedScribe@reddit
I'd give it a 3.7
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Not good, not terrible.
Skeledenn@reddit
Do you taste metal?
pinelands1901@reddit
Graphite is only found in the core where it is used as a neutron flux moderator
NOVA-peddling-1138@reddit
Is no joke, Comrade.
TruePace3@reddit
Dimensions?
SerPateswoodcock@reddit
Radar was adopted by the British but Russia is the bio-radar...
reddituseronebillion@reddit
FLOCK OF BIR...
SharpClaw007@reddit
Mk. 1 Eyeball
TheFightingImp@reddit
Guarantee void when looking for Viper pilots in soupy atmospheres
No_Priors@reddit
Bio-radar
Zorkflerp@reddit
I knew a B52 navigator and his seat was 'down the hole'. There was no front window, just a video screen.
Capnmarvel76@reddit
Early passenger and military aircraft used to have a little ‘skylight’ window for night-time stellar navigation, like with a sextant. I guess the Soviet navigator’s station on these planes was far enough forward to give them a sky view if they needed it.
Fjell-Jeger@reddit
Another aspect is most ex-Soviet transport planes where designed with secondary use as auxiliary bomber. For this role, a downward-facing observation dome is required.
erublind@reddit
And also for bomb targeting...
Personal_Wall4280@reddit
A lot of their early planes were also designed so they could be converted to bombers if required. I am unsure if this specific plane is capable though, and if the glass nose is a hold over.
Before guided bombs were a thing, most bombers released their payload by eye and instrumentation and hoped the bombs get to where they are.A window for the bomb releaser to see what's coming up and below them helps a lot with the timing.
Some1-Somewhere@reddit
Note also that most military cargo aircraft can air-drop stuff - basically bombing, but with less enemy. So you need to aim that payload just as much as bombs.
Pilotdanik77@reddit (OP)
Thanks!
pueraria-montana@reddit
Navigators are famously gassy and the rest of the crew don’t want to smell the borscht farts
Sandro_24@reddit
Because they would navigate based on terrain features (rivers, highways, large buildings).
Radio navigation beacons and gps made that obsolete but russian aircraft reliad on it much longer/aircraft are older designs.
-Polarsy-@reddit
I've read in a book about plane crashes that they made common, non-pre-established navigation complicated, to make it hard for planes to escape the USSR on a whim
smokje@reddit
Fun Fact, and maybe also a reason: The current noses of commercial airliners are also made of a fiberglass reinforced part instead of carbon reinforced one like large parts of the rest of the hull. Why? Because the first lets the waves of the radar trough, the second one does not.
Aspiring engineer out.
BookieWookie69@reddit
Vibes
Scout_1330@reddit
It’s cooler
ScallionSmooth5925@reddit
It was based on a bomber
diveboydive@reddit
Analog-biomechanical GPS
mechabeast@reddit
He knows what he did
kremlingrasso@reddit
Need to see down.
PenguinSage@reddit
He smells funny
hansthecat@reddit
That would be a very cool place to sit.
KualaLJ@reddit
Surely that’s an instrument rated job not a visual one.
krodders@reddit
Read about the history and theory of navigation.
Think about if your instruments aren't that reliable. Or maybe your country is huge and doesn't have lots of beacons and other navigational shit?
Sometimes a paper map, the ability to use it, and a great view is what works best
Even astronavigation was still an option in aircraft fairly recently. British V bombers and the Canberra had astrodomes and sextants. The early US Marine Corps C-130s had them too
egvp@reddit
How does one see stars without looking outside?
KualaLJ@reddit
How does one see stars during the day?
strumthebuilding@reddit
I can find at least one on most days
TheBendit@reddit
Found the non-Brit
SpaceMonkey_321@reddit
Or the next set of turn signals, or off ramp sign? Navigator gots to navigate
sillyaviator@reddit
Stop calling me Shirley
KualaLJ@reddit
Thanks you! :)
Public_Fucking_Media@reddit
Can't afford radar, just make a guy pay attention
R-27ET@reddit
Well, all of these do have ground radar also 😉
Fuze_KapkanMain@reddit
IL-76 still is my favorite Cargo plane
RandomflyerOTR@reddit
Yes, it's like an airship, I fucking love it as well. 5 crew members, pilot, copilot, radio operator, engineer, and navigator, all doing their jobs separately & together. Don't get me started on the sound of the engines, and the bizarre navigation systems. The giant blue computer keyboard thing is for INS.
R-27ET@reddit
What’s max altitude and error specs of the Doppler nav system
intern_steve@reddit
There's one just sitting in MQT waiting for you to buy it from the county.
nikshdev@reddit
Also built in numbers exceeding all the other heavy transports combined.
SubstantialEvent8124@reddit
From inside......the best office in the sky . The Ruskies made the aircraft primarily for military purposes....the navigator not only does navigation and flight planning but is also responsible for heavy platform drops, paradrops, bombing ,etc for which the bubble helps immensely.. The aircraft was built so that no single crew member could commandeer it by themselves . The aircraft has radar based referenced mapping navigation systems and astro navigation capabilities which make it totally independent of ground / satellite based navigation aids worldwide . The electronics was valve based and reportedly can withstand a nuclear blast.
Sprintzer@reddit
Is valve based electronics like vacuum tubes which were used in the 1950s etc?
n1nj4p0w3r@reddit
They were used far beyond that, first cmos transistors appeared only in late 70s
SacredIconSuite2@reddit
Valves = vacuum tubes
Snicklefried@reddit
They are still determined to get there first
noitcelesdab@reddit
I haven’t really considered this before - why aren’t Russian and Chinese commercial aircraft more prevalent? Air travel is as international as it gets but I’ve never travelled on anything that wasn’t an Airbus, Boeing or Bombardier to any country or region. Surely they exist - are they just not allowed to land in North America?
Educational-Coat-750@reddit
Imagine being a navigator on the 134
kermitvengeance@reddit
I like how no one has given the right answer hahaha
Ambitious_Guard_9712@reddit
i like how you are choose to not see the right answer
Educational-Low-2401@reddit
Seems as though there are two plausible answers so far: navigator and Bombardier ( is that spelt correctly?). Boils down to a window to see out from. Nice view.
Ambitious_Guard_9712@reddit
no, there is one right answer, navigaor, bomb aimer is a myth, started by people not understanding it.
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
Bombardier is definitely not a myth, the Il-76D houses a navigator explicitly trained to use the NKBP-7
Lard_Baron@reddit
So they could be converted to bombers in event of war.
Ambitious_Guard_9712@reddit
that's not true, it is where the navigater sits
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
Or bombadier in the case of the 76D... Yknow, the variant made to be converted to a bomber in the event of a war?
GunnarKaasen@reddit
It’s where the bombsight is.
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
Only on very few Il-76s^
ExtensionFly4481@reddit
They used to have a gunner there
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
Lol, absolutely not
AL31FN@reddit
It's because they are all very old design that have the navigator in the glass nose to observe the ground. Note the newer Antonovs don't have those
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
Of course they wouldn't, this isn't an Antonov.
Separate-Draw-2677@reddit
Navigators, and in case they have to go bomb something. Thats where the Bombardier sit
connivens_@reddit
Although the Il-76 was designed primarily for cargo transport, it had the ability to carry bombs, and they were even used in the war in Afghanistan.
Educational-Low-2401@reddit
So, it’s a contingency bombardier’s station?
connivens_@reddit
There was no dedicated bomb bay. The bombs were carried either on special pylons installed between the engines or in the cargo bay. The glazing at the bottom is needed for the navigator, for navigation, but sighting equipment could also be installed there. The Il-76 could also be used to extinguish fires or drop humanitarian aid, which also required the presence of targeting equipment.
Swagalyst@reddit
All Soviet airliners were built to be able to double as bombers.
cleverkid@reddit
Yeah, that’s not even remotely true. All the Tupolev models, TU-104, 154, 144 & 204 as well as the Ilyushin bureau airliners ( IL-18, 62 and 204 ) were never intended for “bomber” use nor were they ever employed as bombers.
I would say most of their transport aircraft were also in dual use by Aeroflot.
It’s wild how people like you can just make off the wall assertions, and dozens of people agree with you.
All you had to do was look it up. But no, you forget ahead in your ignorant confidence.
Hopefully you develop some introspection before you confidently injure yourself.
AllNamesTakenYo@reddit
Hey, leave him alone! Someone has to train LLMs how to be ridiculously but confidently wrong about things. 😉
cleverkid@reddit
Ha! Yeah, you're probably right on that front. We should all just start spewing complete disinformation.
AllNamesTakenYo@reddit
A neo-Luddite sabotage. Boom! We invented a movement against you, AI!
Sprintzer@reddit
Building civilian aircraft / ships to military specs and being able to serve a military mission in the event of total war is honestly pretty smart.
China is doing this today with those RoRo ferry’s and the civilian fishing militia (that forms geometric shapes with like a thousand ships or something)
PapaStoner@reddit
The UK used to do it with it's merchant marine. Last time they used it was for the Falkland war.
emotionengine@reddit
I suppose all passengers could also be converted to airborne parachuting infantry as the situation called for?
Swagalyst@reddit
You could of course fill the aircraft with troops, but that would have very limited strategic importance. Aeroflot airliners surprise-dropping nukes on dozens of select targets in western Europe, however, could have more effect.
But really I suspect it was just Soviet mentality. Someone realized that this way one could get thousands more bombers in the event of a war. The Soviets were big believers in volume, and since the Soviets were not limited by financial efficiency it didn't matter that the aircraft were not optimal as passenger carriers.
Majakowski@reddit
What are you talking about Soviet mentality? In shipbuilding in the west it was also a thing that ships should be able to double as military vessels for the shipping company to have their building subsidized and corresponding ship classes were thus designed just for this event. Also civilian aircraft nowadays are also able to be converted for military duty, the KC-35 for example is a derivative of the 707. So military capabilities were also built into the design of western planes, that has nothing to do with Soviet mentality but with necessity. And what are you talking about "surprise-dropping nukes" by Aeroflot planes? In the event of a hot war, no civilian Soviet plane would have been allowed to western airspace anyways, an exchange of nuclear weapons needs time to plan, it needs to be a necessity meaning there has to be a building up of a certain belligerent situation, that doesn't just come out of nowhere.
GenericAccount13579@reddit
Common misconception, the KC-135 is a derivative of the Boeing 367, as is the 707. So it is not a 707 derivative, more a close cousin.
And also, they’re talking more about actually using civilian airliners as tactical military aircraft. The Soviet’s may be able to do that (I haven’t heard that before but I haven’t looked into it), while the US strategy is more to use civilian aircraft to supplement the strategic airlift capability. Look at the CRAF program. No changes to the aircraft are required since they’re simply carrying personnel or cargo.
ModeatelyIndependant@reddit
You forget the important part, that the pilots trained to fly passengers on the aircraft will be able to fly it after it's been converted into a bomber.
Swagalyst@reddit
That's another important factor, yes. Thousands more bomber pilots.
ModeatelyIndependant@reddit
This was soviet russia, they didn't exactly have a huge airline industry that allowed free travel.
LickingSmegma@reddit
You seem to have forgotten the sarcasm sign, so I'll have to clarify for others:
Lunar_BriseSoleil@reddit
Russians still are big believers in volume if their losses in Ukraine are any indication.
Educational-Low-2401@reddit
Suppose a bomb bay would speed the unloading of baggage too.
Severe_Technology_26@reddit
Maybe this explains the low approaches by Russian airliners that inevitably end up in a tail strike to the perimeter fence?
SheaStadium1986@reddit
Please dont give Frontier Airlines this idea
SeriousPlankton2000@reddit
Also it would be more gentle on the cargo than what the unloader crew does.
sofixa11@reddit
I can't imagine the Yak-40 or the Tu-134 being very useful for bombing.
ScallionSmooth5925@reddit
No. Thay first designed the bomber and then recyled parts for the airliner. In some cases it was possible to conver it but it was two different plane.
Sparky_the_Asian@reddit
Ilyushin didn't follow Tupolev's philosophy in redesigning bombers into airliners. The Il-76 was designed to have the ability to carry 4 bombs on the wings if needed
nikshdev@reddit
No, il-76 has (had?) 4 underwing mounts.
RomanticFaceTech@reddit
Has.
Ukrainian media reported in 2024 that Sudan has used the Il-76 to bomb the RSF in the [ongoing civil war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80%93present)).
That article also includes a video of a Russian Air Force Il-76 training with dummy bombs, apparently in 2020. The 4 underwing hardpoints to carry the bombs on are clearly visible in the video.
I don't think there is any reason to believe the Il-76 has lost this bombing capability (though it is of dubious military value) since then.
Dave_A480@reddit
USAF used C-130s as bombers during Vietnam.... Only thing that could drop the daisy cutter....
They're now coming up with a lot more munitions that can be pushed out the back of a cargo plane....
Castun@reddit
Yup, the MOAB was pushed out (pulled out by a drogue chute technically) from MC-130s.
StephenHunterUK@reddit
They also put artillery weapons in them as the AC-130 family.
fece@reddit
A big part of Soviet policy was Glasnost, Russian for transparency. Funnily enough it translates cleanly to 'Glass Nose' and it was meant to show there were no funny business going on under the radome.
2beatenup@reddit
lol… 😝 am afraid to ask you about perestroika
fourstringtheorist@reddit
The better for glasnost, comrade!
Common_Shake_1271@reddit
It is from the Gorbachev era. Glasnost.
Goetterwind@reddit
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Historical_Base_6194@reddit
Western aircraft largely got rid of the glazed nose in the 40s with the advent of radio navigation and inertial navigation systems. Glass noses are heavy, expensive and can complicate maintenance. So while the west put an emphasis on improving navigation the Soviets remained committed to having a human perform visual navigation. It really wasn’t until the 1980s and 1990s when Soviet and later Russian aircraft designers began to move away from that concept.
viburnumjelly@reddit
Il-86 1976
Tu-154 1968
Il-62 1967
Yak-40 1966
An-24 1962
Il-18 1957
no glass noses
Appropriate_Today358@reddit
The Il-76 is a military aircraft. It can carry four 500 kg bombs.
eidetic@reddit
It can carry a lot more than that! Of course, to be delivered, they first have to be disembarked from the cargo hold, then distributed to other aircraft, but still, it can carry a lot more than just four!
Appropriate_Today358@reddit
Il-76 has a rack for four bombs and a bombsight. It can also parachute a ten-ton bomb from its cargo bay.
GeraintLlanfrechfa@reddit
Isn’t it that every Soviet plane had to be somehow featuring the ability to be used militarily?
AllNamesTakenYo@reddit
It may be the other way around. Western aircraft designers responded to the market - aircraft are optimized to make money by carrying passengers and cargo efficiently. The aircraft need to make money. A navigator instead of extra cargo space down there is what you do when the economics of the design are not driven by competitive commercial passenger or cargo operations. Extra features are bugs, not features.
nikshdev@reddit
Il-76 in particular was designed primarily as a military transport.
Swagalyst@reddit
Yes.
sofixa11@reddit
Uh, no? Depending on their time period their external fleet was mostly composed of Il-62, Il-86, Tu-104, Tu-134, Tu-154. None of those were bombers, let alone nuclear capable ones.
The only bomber aircraft they operated was the Tu-114 which was a short term stopgap passenger version of the Tu-95, and it sucked, and was operated in the 1960s, retired fully in 1976. And it wasn't built to be "thinly disguised", it was all they could do on short notice for medium to long haul.
tadeuska@reddit
An-22 also has an astro navigation dome behind the cockpit. There is a small stair case, you go up and you can use your sextant to find altitude. You can also enjoy the stars. And do some navigation while at it.
theonlyski@reddit
I think you mean location. The altimeter is how you find your altitude.
Peterh778@reddit
There is an altitude and there is an altitude.
Sextants are used to measure angular altitude of a chosen celestial body (mostly the sun, but some stars can be used too) and - by comparison with navigation charts and current astronomical time - navigators can compute their current latitude.
TL;DR: Latitude, altitude.
Alpha_Majoris@reddit
Tomato, tolatitudo
marenicolor@reddit
Tomaltitude
AllNamesTakenYo@reddit
And they wonder why AI hallucinates new words. Nice work 😂
I_will_never_reply@reddit
I think they meant latitude, or longitude, or both, or neither
Sprintzer@reddit
Didn’t SR-71s do astronavigation automatically? Crazy that a bird that first flew in 1964 had that functionality
Ordinary-Ad4503@reddit
The view from the one that is displayed at the Technik museum Speyer, is really good too.
eidetic@reddit
I really need to visit there someday. Over the years I've collected so many reference images that happened to come from their collection via wikimedia commons, that its been on my bucket list for awhile now.
Ordinary-Ad4503@reddit
pjakma@reddit
astro-domes featured on western airliners until around the 60s too.
fadingvistas@reddit
Also this russian arctic cruiser
neverbadnews@reddit
Makes terrific sense for navigating in the polar regions, because a compass becomes less accurate/reliable for direction finding the closer you get to either of the magnetic poles.
DullMind2023@reddit
What kind of tent??
incpen@reddit
Sex. Ask your mom.
Crzyclsn3412@reddit
In older days, before GPS and proper navigation tools, Soviet pilots would sit in the nose to use landmarks and even mountains for navigation.
EcstaticSplit5659@reddit
Listos para la guerra, ametralladora lista
DougalisGod@reddit
Glasnost?
LateralThinkerer@reddit
That's where the glasnost happens!
I'll see myself out...
horrible_noob@reddit
Human ILS
Ok-Extent-7515@reddit
These planes are designed to drop parachutists, and during the drop it is useful to look at the terrain you are flying over.
JSpencer999@reddit
In the Tu-134's case it's to check where charred chunks of parachutist are going to be distributed after a quick trip through the engine.
Spiritual-Echidna-10@reddit
Don't forget about Tu-134's celestial navigation lavatory!
(Yeah, that's not a lamp)
Spiritual-Echidna-10@reddit
P51-D@reddit
Possible as a bombardier station
ztunelover@reddit
Can you pay extra to sit there? What a view that must be!
JamieLambister@reddit
There a joke to be made about glass nose / glasnost for transparency, but I'm too tired to make it work
JaqenSexyJesusHgar@reddit
As a history major, you just unlocked something I've not read in a long time.
Take this upvote and perestroika yourself
Gudi_Nuff@reddit
I'm gonna stroika myself too :')
RobiArts@reddit
I be Stroika to the East / I be Stroika to the West 🎶
pewpedmepants@reddit
Mind if I join so we have a pair a' stroikin'?
mz_groups@reddit
Is that what they call it when Putin hurls one of his generals out a window?
"Field Marshal Gerlov got Perestroikaed yesterday"
MASSochists@reddit
You know what they say It take a Potemkin village.
eegorka@reddit
I salute to this joke and if you are not a Russian speaker I salute with both hands
TutorNo8896@reddit
Too soon
euanmorse@reddit
Needs more Perestroika
bouncypete@reddit
I've flown on two different IL76 and it took a few of five to fly each one.
A captain, First officer, flight engineer who also operated the throttles, radio operator and navigator. (Plus a load master).
I don't know if this is because each of the aircraft I flew on was so old, and later built IL-76 were built with more advanced systems, such as auto-throttle and inertial navigation.
EngineerFly@reddit
Soviet aviation staffing philosophy was about making jobs. Five crew were not uncommon, long after the West started moving to two-crew cockpits.
allenrfe@reddit
Navigation in the USA is much easier, the country has roads and city's everywhere. The Siberian area of Russian is incredible vase and empty. Because of this navigation is much harder and way more important. If you look into it there is some great stories of Russian military aircraft getting lost and ending up in the wrong country.
Naive_Law1807@reddit
One story was that Aeroflot navigators would practice bomb runs when landing in US cities such as New York. Was this smoke or was there some truth to the tale?
GravyPainter@reddit
Pretty cool with the wings on top. Can get a window seat and stare at an engine
Impossible-Big-172@reddit
eyeball mk1 navigation system
JcDarkKnight@reddit
To aim the bombs better
uzico@reddit
To film cool reels 🤓
Wonderful_Room_5465@reddit
El primero siempre me pareció que tiene cara de payaso diabólico
Aeronah@reddit
I sometimes fly with a ex-Soviet pilot and asked him the same question. He said the same thing about being more reliant on visual navigation. He also mentioned that approach light systems were not common, so the navigator would often be the first crew member to see the runway during a low visibility instrument approach.
Sectional_Soulmates@reddit
Observation deck
mrwolfegoesoutside@reddit
For the better to see down with
gligster71@reddit
Glasnost. Haha!
chemaster0016@reddit
Why does this not have more upvotes?
Dry-Character-6331@reddit
Badumtish!
psychowhippet@reddit
Following the railway lines.
vovap_vovap@reddit
Well, IL-76 is military transport plane 😄 And Tu-134 based (with intermediate step) on Tu-16 bomber.
Military was main for those companies at a time, civilian - side show.
Gouzi00@reddit
Stewardin loves it.. Easy to rebuild as a Turret aka. Kalaschnikov emergency thing.. Occasionaly for visual navigation when all goes wrong.
BIayneRobinson@reddit
Whoaaaa I had a toy of this plane as a kid and just thought it was a weird scifi plane 😲.
Thanks for sharing haha
lordofpotton@reddit
Where the bomb aimer sits, or the camera operator for covert missions.
Livingforabluezone@reddit
Ex military aircraft
Glock359@reddit
It’s so when they fly over they can find out if their house is still where they left it… 😂😂😂😂😂
holymissiletoe@reddit
visual navigation via landmark
hydracicada@reddit
military heritage - that is the observation point for navigator
Popillette@reddit
I heard soviet planes where designed that way partly for fear of defections to the west. By physically separating the crew there was a lesser risk of collusion between the crew members to defect. Planes where designed to be operated in a compartmentalized fashion where the pilot was following the navigators input not knowing exactly where the plane was. Thus making it harder to simply change course to find a NATO airfield on his own.
PovertySpecMk3Supra@reddit
How dumb are you
HrcAk47@reddit
It's actually fascinating how you can preclude any sort of drivel with "I heard" to absolve yourself from any responsibility from spreading nonsense, and still feel confident enough to hit "Comment".
LooseEthernetCable@reddit
to look down on peasants.
shakazoulu@reddit
Glasnos(t)
mattblack77@reddit
So they can moon the enemy
DVOlimey@reddit
Bombers
No-Goose-6140@reddit
Also note the straight piece of glass on the lower part, it doesnt distort vision when using navigation equipment
pjvenda@reddit
Front gunner?
VIP seat?
Very specific room 101?
Hydroponics?
Ran out of aly plates?
Swagalyst@reddit
Because all Soviet airliners had to be able to be used as bomber aircraft.
Nearby-Abalone6321@reddit
So they can see where they’re going and drink vodka with a view.
Ryuken-ichi@reddit
I've always thought it's for inspecting poorly prepared runways before landing, as well as for navigation.
Freddan_81@reddit
For navigating I guess.