Anon might actually be a genius
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Posted by slaverofdoom@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 341 comments
THEzwerver@reddit
Anon, I don't think they "stopped being trans", you just pushed them back into the closet and will probably not see or talk to you again once they're 18.
Also making up situations where you bully your hypothetical kid is just sad.
SpaceBug176@reddit
Good. She doesn't seem smart enough to make such a choice if she hears her dad say he's trans and then immediately assumes he can't be.
I mean context is important and this story is fake and gay anyway, but I'm imagining Anon actually acting it out, and then his daughter just not believing it, making it sound more like she specifically sees it as a trend than an actual thing. So she'll probably look back at this when she's 18 and be embarrassed of what she said.
It's also worth noting that it's not too implausible to assume someone's dad would come out just as their kid does, since there's a good chance they'd get courage from their kid coming out and just blurt it out.
But then again, like I said, this story is fake and very much gay.
sorryiamnotoriginal@reddit
I have quite a few cousins that work in education with younger kids. They have said it has kinda become a thing at least in their respective areas that kids pick this up but then eventually drop it. They basically use preferred names which sometimes conform to a different gender.
The kinda shady part to me is that they are also told not to tell the parents about this but I digress
KaszualKartofel@reddit
why is it shady? There are people ready to disown their kids over shit like this. It’s a safety precaution.
sorryiamnotoriginal@reddit
These are young grade school kids. I don't believe the school has any authority to hold information from the child's parents. If the child openly presents that the parents would be a threat to them over it then sure but if its something that there is no presumption the parents will be hostile over it then they should know.
KaszualKartofel@reddit
Okay but whats the harm in witholding the info especially if it is know it’s just a phase for these kids?
sorryiamnotoriginal@reddit
I really don't want to indulge the blatant false equivalency but just to make a point yes if a kid was acting like a dinosaur because they thought they were one then the parents should know of what is likely a very disruptive behavioral problem in the classroom.
Withholding information from the parents of any kind becomes dodgy because the only authority deciding on what is/isn't worth telling is the teacher. Presuming that parents are going to become abusive is unfair to them and the teacher isn't the one raising them.
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Never trust an adult that says "don't tell your parents". If a kid is ever told that for any reason, the very first thing that kid should do get leave and tell their parents. That needa tp be drummed into kids heads.
KaszualKartofel@reddit
What adults are telling kids to not tell their parrents? This isn't about that at all.
It's about children who choose for themselves to not tell their folks because they think they might face repercussions for being gay or trans, or even questioning if they are. Some people's parents are shitty and may be posing a legitimate danger of abuse because many people hate the gays, and that's why they might choose their teachers for support.
I don't know where you're getting these adults urging students to not come out to their parents, but it has litteraly nothing to do with the argument against outing someone.
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Reread the post you were responding to. They said it was shady that they (teachers) are telling them (students) not to tell their parents. You said "what's shady about it"?
Perhaps you misunderstood what the commenter was saying and responded with that misunderstanding in mind. I have no issue with the child deciding to keep it a secret from their parents out of fear and confiding in other adults that they do trust. That's not the issues being discussed, though.
KaszualKartofel@reddit
Yeah, but what’s shady about this specicaly? If the kids decided by themselves to change their names or pronouns, it’s not like the teachers are trying to force transition them. And if it’s common knowledge it’s just a phase in the case of these kids then it that angle makes even less sense.
We’re living through another moral panic, like in the 80s with statanism and DnD, but this time it’s transgenderism. It’s fucked up but many people do freak out over this and do everything from trying to convert their kids back to Jesus to suing the school or teachers.
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
I am responding to you responding to a guy saying that teachers tell students not to tell their parents. Your response was not "it'a not happening", it was "so what? Why is that a bad thing?".
We are not living through a moral panic, we are living through systemic medical child abuse. If the children is not on hormones, then there is no issue, yes, that is 100% just moral panic if that is being brought up. The real issue is that is not qhere it stops, they are being given hormones and/or finding ways to access hormones themselves-- that is not moral panic, that is a genuine medical issue.
Using apple products is for the disabled, so it makes sense. /s
KaszualKartofel@reddit
XD lmao this is exactly what I was talking about when I said its a moral panic. Children aren’t being forced to transition no matter how much you scream that they are. This ridiculous that people actually believe this shit.
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
No matter gow much you say it isn't happening, we know it is. Puberty blockers and hormones are being prescibed to children. Double mastectomies are being performed on children. You sticking your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes doesn't change these realities.
Unless you're using wordplay here by specifically saying 'forced' because you think children should be allowed to consent to such things.
KaszualKartofel@reddit
Yeah puberty blockers and hormones are approved and safe for children. They are also reversible. This is normal modern medicine you are making a fuss about which it is moral panicing.
Mastectomies are being performed usually after puberty’s been completed and mostly on males suffering from gynecomastia. You senslessly sensationalisng it is again moral panicking.
You’re inventig bullshit to get upset about. I’m not using any wordplay. Overwhelming majority of trans individuals report being satisfied with transitioning.
But going back to gynecomastia and using your logic, how can we assume these kids don’t wanna have boobs? How can they consent to have their breast remove? Unless you believe children can conset to this… This is how you sound.
notyoursavior89@reddit
Any adult telling a kid “don’t tell your parents” Is always sus.
KaszualKartofel@reddit
What? You’ve got the problem backwards. It’s not teachers telling kids to not say that to their parents, it’s about kids coming to their techers because they don’t feel they can trust their parents.
notyoursavior89@reddit
That’s not what I said. You’re misinterpreting my point. Regardless of what you have to say, if an adult tells a child “don’t tell your parents” it’s usually pretty sus and creepy.
sadacal@reddit
You're misinterpreting it. The guy is saying teachers are told not to say anything to the parents, not that teachers are telling kids not to say anything to the parents.
KaszualKartofel@reddit
okay I can agree, but what's shady here? The kids choose themselves to use diferent names.
Bad_Routes@reddit
People can't fathom that their own behavior makes them unapproachable and unreliable but will not be self aware enough to change. They will take it as a personal slight against them when they are only close to you in title only but haven't created the circumstances to be considered trustworthy
RazeAndChaos@reddit
Going to be honest it doesn’t sound ethical to hide information of kids that are not your own from caregivers.
DeNeRlX@reddit
If the information being given might harm the kid, how is it ethical?
L003Tr@reddit
Withholding the information might harm the kid, how is that ethical?
DeNeRlX@reddit
It's a case-by-case, but often if kids come to teachers before parents with this info it's because they are scared of the consequences of coming out to their parents. It's sadly not uncommon for parents to disown their kids for being gay/trans (or just general worse treatment), and lots of parents hold their politics closer than the love for their children.
L003Tr@reddit
When it comes to case by case the parents should be told. If the school think there's a danger to the kid they should be reporting ut to authorities not just sitting on the info. Simple as really
Faite666@reddit
"Hello police, I am scared my parents might abuse me, please preemptively arrest them for the future crime I'm afraid they'll commit thank you. So what if them going to prison is affectively the same as getting kicked out/being disowned?"
Bad_Routes@reddit
Thats not handling shit on a case by case basis if the default is to divulge information as early as possible without considering the situation
L003Tr@reddit
Its better than the alternative
Bad_Routes@reddit
Then you don't believe in settling shit on a case by case basis. At least pretend to know what words mean
DeNeRlX@reddit
It really isn't a simple thing where everyone is nice and things go well in the end...
Many parents would treat their kids worse for it without it being something CPS (or whatever org) could step into, and even if they would, that still turns the kid's life upside down. Having an adult they trust to confide in and talk some of it through in a safe environment is the better option. If the kid can be convinced they should come out, it's best to do it themselves anyways.
Alternative is friends, but kids don't always give the best advice.
L003Tr@reddit
Silly take
DeNeRlX@reddit
How so? Should every trans person be outed before they are ready while under care to people who may be strongly against it?
L003Tr@reddit
If it stops schools hiding info, yes
KaszualKartofel@reddit
even if it endangers kids?
L003Tr@reddit
We've been over this already, keep up
KaszualKartofel@reddit
The comment you link to doesn’t adress what I said. Do you believe it’s unethical even if it endangers childern?
DeNeRlX@reddit
So the potential trans person should instead completely hide it, stay in the closet until they have the ability of cutting of everyone without consequences instead?
L003Tr@reddit
Better than schools hiding the information from parents
Name_Taken_Official@reddit
"when it comes to case by case the parents should be told"
I want you to think about that sentence
KaszualKartofel@reddit
>Simple as really
Oh my sweet summer child. Taking away someone’s kid isn’t that fucking easy. Especially over shit like this.
L003Tr@reddit
Good, it shouldn't be easy
YolkianMofo@reddit
Not withholding the information might lead to the kid killing themselves. How is that ethical?
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Withholding the information might lead to the kid killing themselves. How is that ethical?
684beach@reddit
If a person is at risk for killing themselves it is important to report the information to authorities. And yeah dont be dramatic
L003Tr@reddit
Dont be dramatic
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
Would it harm them more than incessant affirmation that they made the right choice, never second-guessing their decision, and committing to years of HRT only to realize that they fucked up and now they sound and look like a man?
DeNeRlX@reddit
You are inventing a scenario that isn't common.
For one, affirmation isn't about pushing them to being trans against their own wish, it's about allowing the option and helping them understand it. Seems you are a bit behind on understanding the process...
But more importantly, it's far more common that trans people regret transitioning late + not having the social and medical support compared to the amount who detransition. If you wanna focus on the 'regret' part, you can't paint the entire picture based on a relatively rare thing in one direction and pretend that's the most important.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
It wasn't common just as, others said, being goth wasn't common, until it was.
Now everyone and their hamster is becoming trans. It's as much as a social fad as a medical condition
Bad_Routes@reddit
Thats why there is extensive screening done to actually weed out kids who don't actually have gender dysmorphia. Trans bashers will lead you to believe that anyone is just letting kids get on HRT but thats not the case at all
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
You say that but there have been many cases of prepubescents being diagnosed with in up here in Canada. It's ridiculous. The rules exist, but not everyone follows them.
Bad_Routes@reddit
This means nothing to me because prepubescents being diagnosed doesn't counter my point. In America the screening process takes time and not just handing pills for people to take willy nilly. If it's a problem in Canada then you guys might need to fix whats going on, not bullying your kids like anon and not trying to legislate away an entire demographics existence
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Prepubscents being diagnosed doesn't counter the idea that extensive screening is done to weed out kids that don't have GD? Boy I hope you're joking.
And yes, I've seen the same stories come out of the states. It's systemic child abuse.
If the demographic you're refering to is "transkids" then yes. They should not exist, they do not exist. These are not decisions children should be making. If they want to socially "transition" (which as far as I'm conserned is just kids exploring how they want to present themselves, no mental disorders or social labels involved) that's perfectly fine, but they shouod not be on puberty blockers, hormones, or anything like that.
Bad_Routes@reddit
Being "diagnosed" by your standards doesn't automatically mean the prepubescent person is put on HRT right away so no, it doesn't counter my initial point of saying that getting screening done for your kids is good.
Here is an article that links the study since you refuse to provide one despite you referring to "many cases" but never giving evidence.
I'm not saying there is a zero percent chance of it happening, it's not happening at the concerning rate you purport it to be happening. This also isn't me saying that when a case like that arises we "shouldn't do anything" but you need to actually point to cases like those and see what we can do better from how the system failed.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
It's increasingly the case, though. Unless you think doctors are infallible
Bad_Routes@reddit
Screening takes multiple doctors and years of testing with psychiatrists etc. So no, I don't understand why you'd think that and it's not "increasingly the case"
DeNeRlX@reddit
You aren't knowledgeable about trans issues, you just read the garbage anti-trans that triggers your brain into being angry, and think that's an accurate picture.
Rates of being trans is very observable, it maxes out at the same rate, no matter how much society allows it.
With the types of comments you've made I don't think you're open to anything that could change your mind. Hopefully you stop being so dumb and start being kind instead...
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
You're on greentext lol
This isn't where you go to find selectively kind people/SJWs
Kicooi@reddit
“It’s okay that I’m a raging piece of shit because uhh 4chan duhh hehehe”
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
Hehehe
DeNeRlX@reddit
True, I don't expect people on here to not be stupid and lose their minds when any semblance of progressive politics is mentioned, though I'm pleasantly surprised.
But who tf seriously uses SJW in 2026...that's supposed to be left in 2016. You are supposed to cry about woke these days. Get with the times chud.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
Sorry, you're right. This is a young man's game.
I'll wait a couple more years for this fad to pass
strawberry_semenade@reddit
Yeah among a certain crowd it's seen as "cool" and "progressive" to be trans. Of course little kids who are too young to really understand such things are gonna jump on the fad.
684beach@reddit
You have to be reasonable instead of assume threats
DeNeRlX@reddit
Many parents aren't great parents. I think that's a very reasonable assumption.
684beach@reddit
Many people are killers, rapists, torturers. See the problem?
DeNeRlX@reddit
Huh? How's that related? There are far more bad parents than any of those...
I'm only arguing that if a child comes to a teacher or other authority figure because they aren't comfortable talking about it to their parents, they should have a space to talk about it. When the child feels safe to come out, they can, but it should be on their own terms when they are ready for it, not as an ambush because the teacher broke their trust.
684beach@reddit
In your very specific situation, yes they could stay silent.
DeNeRlX@reddit
It's not very specific, there is a range of situations where this is what the kid might feel. I mean look at how many adults are comfortably sharing anti-LGBTQ content online, then consider how many more are semi-regularly making statements like that.
Homelessness rates are a bit higher than average for gay and trans teens, that's not something that comes out of specific situations, that's a social trend.
684beach@reddit
All of which is true, however you still dont have the right to deny parents from knowing about issues with their children the majority of the time.
DeNeRlX@reddit
Children aren't property of their parents...Demanding kids tell something that hurts then only ever makes the kids better liars.
684beach@reddit
Dont be reductive and start saying nonsense that was never insinuated. If you believe the parents are a threat, as a teacher your duty is to report such. If you dont have reason(evidence) to believe so, if a kid tells you they are confused about identity(or any other issue), best tell their parents who are legally responsible for their wellbeing for 18 years.
ThePowaBallad@reddit
Actually pretty much all training says that telling parents everything isn't the go to and to be vigilant for any hints that home life may not be great and admissions that should be reported must be but to the relevant authority which is not always parents
The other thing is as a Mandatory Reporter it's also part and parcel of that to tell the child what sort of thing you have to report and to who so they don't feel betrayed
People who go on about "parents must know everything" have such an optimistic view of the world I'm almost jealous but it's sadly just not the safest thing
684beach@reddit
So basically what i said? Report to authorities if parents are threats? Yeah dont betray confidence unless it dangers the child. But the rest of your stuff is up to schools polices, then your profession duty. I still think you should talk to parents unless the child expresses wishes otherwise. I dont have an optimistic view, parents should know as much as they can because their legal and moral duties are different than a teacher’s. You will not be responsible in the same way
ThePowaBallad@reddit
So how about this
If the kid asks to use a new name and pronouns in school only you can not only infer they aren't at home and can then ask why/if they want to not tell parents and would you then honour their request?
Cause it's not doing any dangerous acts or statements so it's not a mandatory report but would you support following the child's request even tho in your mind a parent should know as much as they can?
684beach@reddit
“in school only you can not only infer they aren’t at home” can you word this better? I dont understand it
KaszualKartofel@reddit
Even after what I just told you? You realise this isn’t a hypothetical this shit really happens to kids?
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
I'd suggest looking into 'Sage Blair' as to the consequences of hiding this information from parents.
yah, it goes both ways surprisingly.
KaszualKartofel@reddit
Blair wasn't being secretly transitioned by her school. She was being bullied and the school presumably didn't even know about it. I agree that's a problem, but her runnig away wasn't connected with her being trans. At least to the extent I was able to determine.
I would suggest looking into queer kids abuse rates and how often opressive house holds can lead to people being abused with no way out or completely alienated from family and friends support. If biggotry didn't exist, I would agree that schools could report this, but in a world were some people are in legitmate danger, this ends up benefiting no one. Because kids from normal homes alredy report to their parents openly and these from abusive ones would just end up not mentioning this to their teachers if they knew they had to report it.
It works both ways in the same sense wearing seatbelts can make it harder to escape a burning car.
zw1ck@reddit
No, see, they deserve it for being trans /s
KaszualKartofel@reddit
I think these people genuinely believe it's fot the good of these kids to be outed in front of their parrents. That or pathological need for control.
Low_Friendship_9487@reddit
how about we use our thinking caps and wonder if there might be a reason a child tells their teacher something before their own flesh and blood parents
LordGery@reddit
Yes, there might be legitimate reasons for the kid to hide stuff from their parents. Not all parents are wonderful people, but in most cases parents are normal people and kids just do stupid shit. Let's not pretend we never did dumb shit that we hid from our parents.
SpoonusBoius@reddit
Parents shouldn't have a right to know anything and everything about their child. If a kid wants to do something as innocent as go by a different name at school, parents shouldn't have an automatic right to that information because it doesn't affect the parents' ability to raise and protect their child.
Children deserve to have their own lives outside of their parents, especially when they become teenagers and start scoping out their identities.
Competitive_Sky8182@reddit
If my kiddo were asking for the other set of pronouns I would love to know to explore their options safe in home and then with the family and friends, instead of "everyone knew before me!".
KaszualKartofel@reddit
Well if they trust they’re gonna come to you first. If you don’t suck as a parent this won’t be a problem for you.
111v1111@reddit
Lets say that this is true information, I would say it’s great. They have time to explore and figure out their identity in a safe space (i.e. maybe their parents are transphobic and stuff) without irreversible changes (just calling yourselves different names and pronouns,…). If they then decide they aren’t trans, great for them. (The more bleak outcome is if they decide they aren’t trans but don’t come out because transphobic family, society and so on).
sorryiamnotoriginal@reddit
Hard to tell really but I never asked if they follow whether or not the kids stick to it. From what I remember from the convo though it didn't seem like it was a thing that regularly lasted the year.
thegimboid@reddit
My wife works in Early Childhood Education, and we have a young daughter, so this sort of stuff comes up a lot.
There's no single consensus on this sort of stuff. There rarely is on the social science things, since anything involving dealing with human nature has too many variables to account for them properly on a broad scale.
But what we've observed over the years (combined with actual empirical evidence and knowledge my wife's education and career) is that it's not so much the biological things that tend to mess up young kids (hormones, genitals, etc).
It's that socially we genderize so many things that have nothing to do with what biological traits you have.
Like colours. Or vehicles. Or even attitudes and expectations.
So it's a bit of a "grass is greener" scenario.
After all, they're still new to the world, and have been told from birth "you are a boy/girl. That means you will look and act a certain way."
So then at some point the kid thinks "boys/girls get to do (insert genderize activity). I want to do that, so I must also be one."
But that's just because the gender is defined to them as whatever stereotypes people around them fall into or impose, so they'll assume that if they don't perfectly match what they've been told their gender is and how it acts, then it must be wrong.
A boy in a less oppressive household might be free to try make up without feeling that it defines anything about whether they're a boy or girl.
Whereas one in a more stereotype-imposing household might want to try make-up and therefore assume that must mean they're actually a girl.
So weirdly, I think the people who impose the gender stereotypes more harshly are more likely to have a young kid who thinks that way, since they aren't free to just express themselves how they want. Especially when they're young enough to be getting an identity but lacking world experience.
MrBingly@reddit
This is pretty much what's going on, and why it is so problematic to "support trangender children" and to teach young children that they can be something different than what they are. Children have dealt with this learning about the world for eternity, and haven't come out of it confused like we are seeing kids turn out now.
thegimboid@reddit
Rather than doubling down on enforcing the stereotypes, wouldn't the more logical approach be to just remove them entirely?
If all things are treated that way, a young boy wouldn't get confused over their gender just because they like pink, princesses, or other things that are stereotypically gendered but have nothing to do with what genitals or hormones they have.
Besides, one could say that purposefully dissuading kids from doing the things that they're interested in is also trying to make them be someone different from who they are.
Bad_Routes@reddit
Testing_things_out@reddit
You hit the nail on the head with this one. If someone grew up with the idea that pink is a girls colour and blue is boys colours, then they'd think they're a girl just because they like pink and don't like blue.
thegimboid@reddit
Exactly.
I think people don't quite understand how much this just continues into adulthood as well.
I mean, think of everything that you consider indicative of one gender or another - why do you think that?
Most people still have remnants of "this is for boys/girls, just because that's how I was told it is" still rattling around in their head.
uselessdrain@reddit
Are you american? It's dangerous to be trans there. Hell, it seems dangerous to be anything but a white male.
We have travel advisorys for queer people in the states. Fad or not, I wouldn't tell someone anything if it resulted in a kid getting hurt.
Shady is shoot shootings not being queer.
sorryiamnotoriginal@reddit
I am American and I wouldn't say that is true, or at least that it lacks nuance. Its a big country and things will vary by state. I am literally describing systemic protection of potentially trans kids on a level that I think is shady because the schools shouldn't have authority to hide things from parents. The fact it is even an issue at least shows a level of security in my state.
Who says or thinks things like this? There have been a few school shootings done by queer individuals and its very damaging because now they get pointed and people say "look see they are dangerous" especially that one where they shot up a religious school with little kids.
Yrmsteak@reddit
It's not much different than when boys/ put on /girl's clothes when very little. They're testing an instinctual theory "does changing what I do make me a different thing?" except it's slightly more complex.
DyabeticBeer@reddit
The story fake but if it was hypothetically real then she's not just gonna stop being trans, she's just gonna hide it from her family.
SpaceBug176@reddit
You mean "him".
DyabeticBeer@reddit
Huh?
thedoggers@reddit
Of course your dad can be trans too but by the way OOP is telling it, it seems like he was doing it in a cringy way on purpose to make his daughter feel ashamed, so she would obviously know he's not really trans and just making fun of her.
SpaceBug176@reddit
Yes, I read the greentext. He starts being cringy halfway through, but her skepticism starts right at the start, which is not a good look for her.
therealraggedroses@reddit
Lmao ur trying to analyze this bs greentext like some kind of shakesphearean literary masterpiece. Lol chill its not that deep
Laser_Souls@reddit
Exactly! “The curtains are blue because…” looking ass 😂😂😂
thedoggers@reddit
We don't know the full context between their relationship but it could be that even by the initial way he says he's trans (like a "Oh you're trans? Then I'm trans too"), plus her knowing his personality (maybe he's a really conservative dude), she could infer from the beginning that he's not serious.
Besides, even if the dad was actually trans... she's a teen. I don't think that her being incredulous that her dad is trans and acting dumb about it automatically means she's not really trans and doing it for a trend. If the dad was actually trans she would have come around eventually seeing that he's being sincere.
SpaceBug176@reddit
Yeah. I guess in the end, there is no way to really tell either way, and this should be looked at on a case by case basis.
Not for this story though, since its fake and gay, so we can just assume what we wanna assume.
Bad_Routes@reddit
Dude says he's faking being trans but you're questioning how the daughter knows he's lying? It doesn't get more regarded than you
Low_Friendship_9487@reddit
this story literally take place from the perspective of someone who isn't trans and admits as such. one might simply assume that the daughter knows her dad is lying because she knows him?
TheChannelMiner@reddit
How dare you attempt to have a nuanced take? downvoted.
beegproblemzzz@reddit
No_Analysis_79@reddit
This but unironically
Agent_Galahad@reddit
The skepticism seems pretty reasonable since the dad's behavior was clearly reactionary, and far divorced from what a trans person would actually do
gerryflint@reddit
Stfu
SpaceBug176@reddit
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DeNeRlX@reddit
Do you expect every kid to be witty enough to retort and debate an obviously dishonest act? Not everyone is ready for that, doesn't mean transition is fake. Ye story probably is fake but the underlying trend isn't.
Or is it that you only see transitioning as a debate prompt instead of real people?
Old-Post-3639@reddit
The fake daughter is 14, not 4.
SpaceBug176@reddit
I want what's best for everyone. I want people to take things like this more seriously and not just go "yeaaah they're probably trans I'm sure everything is gonna be fine" or vice versa. I want people to put more thought into it.
TGWsharky@reddit
Then you should also find this story abhorrent, if true. The way you take this seriously is going to a psychologist and therapist so your kid can learn to explore and express how they feel. Or if their feelings are even real.
Not be reactionary and immediately start doing a caricature of Trans people with the express purpose of embarrassing and/or shaming your daughter. That isn't taking things seriously.
DeNeRlX@reddit
Ahh, a radical centrist coming from the top rope with a seemingly inarguable statement, who curiously argues more for caution when acknowledging trans people as real than acceptance of them.
If you want what's best for most people, accept trans people. There are more trans people who regret waiting transitioning than there are people who got it wrong and detransitions. Are you willing to aknowledge the harm that is done by not letting people transition? After all, that is what's best for everyone.
SpaceBug176@reddit
Uh... sure? You think my ass is stopping people from transitioning??? I literally just want people to give more thought into what they do, it's all I want. I ain't gonna forcefully untrasition someone, I'll just tell them to be sure first.
Your_Local_Rabbi@reddit
trust me, when someone's actively transitioning, they're pretty sure.
before you can get on any hormones or anything, you have to go through several rounds of doctors and therapists asking if you're sure, your "9 to 5 working ass" isn't really gonna be the deciding factor
even among detransitioners, the majority say the reason they detransition is social stigma, the easiest thing you can do for trans people is to just accept what they tell you about themselves, and even if that changes later, it isn't any less real
DeNeRlX@reddit
A lot of the time, transitioning is what is best, and putting up roadblocks does more harm than good. If you want what's best for everyone as you said, then put less focus on questioning it.
I can promise you your basic ''but are they really trans'' is something every person early in their transition has thought of a thousand times.
CyberneticSaturn@reddit
These types of arguments are always so interesting to me. One side is arguing about what would happen in the future if x or y behavior becomes completely de stigmatized, while the other side is completely focused on “now” with absolutely no consideration that behaviors are shaped in part by societal norms.
I dunno what’s the right answer to this pretty complex question, particularly when it involves making permanent changes to someone’s body via pharmaceuticals at an age where people are not allowed to vote.
But it’s always two people talking past each other not acknowledging each other’s actual argument.
DeNeRlX@reddit
You think I don't consider future implications? Whatever questions arise about future societal trends there are answers for around the discussion. The ''now'' answer will continue to be better for the future as well.
A similar example is suppression of left handed people, where they have a percentage of the population (\~12%) for a while, goes down during social suppression, then back up and stays completely steady. Similar with rates of gay/trans people in more open places compared to discriminatory places. It might go down, but when more open, the rates stabilize, it's not like everyone will now be trans or gay, but everyone can consider it without stigma.
Behaviors are shaped in part by societal norms, true, but it's better to let everyone be more free to choose what makes them happy than to not allow someone to be themselves.
SpaceBug176@reddit
I think he was trying to say some sort of other better solution might arise in the future but get overshadowed by what we're already used to.
DeNeRlX@reddit
Okay...then let's do the current best solution now and adapt better in the future. Either way the past solutions shouldn't be looked up to.
SpaceBug176@reddit
Yeah. I just hope it happens like this, and not like what I fear.
MonkeManWPG@reddit
We do put more thought into it than that. Hope this clears up your concerns.
SpaceBug176@reddit
Thanks. I assume you are sarcastic, but weirdly it made me feel better, so I better not put any more thought into it before my head starts to actually acknowledge the sarcasm.
redleafrover@reddit
Hahahhaa
Hahhahahhahah
HAHAHHAhaaaahaa
You actually said super reasonable shit and when I got to this you have been DOWNVOTED hahahhahhahaaa
EaT sHiT ReAsoNaBLe FuCkeR!!1!!
dn0c@reddit
You’re assuming a lot of bad intention from a story about people you’ve never met.
peepeeinmypajts@reddit
Look I'm hardly the most trans positive guy
But if you come out as trans and the others people's reaction is, ah yes so am I, immediately and then do that, I'm going to have a strong suspicion they're not being genuine.
Torture-Dancer@reddit
It’s like the guide to how to respond to “I’m gay”, “I am more” is not considered appropriate
solwaj@reddit
I can tell you've never had to confront yourself with the realization that you're not in the norm and want acceptance
SpaceBug176@reddit
I don't get the correlation
ThePowaBallad@reddit
Are you SURE you're gay tho?
Seriously mate did you come out as gay with any doubt that you were?
SpaceBug176@reddit
Ngl I ain't really gay if you think about it. I like women and men that look so much like women that you can't even tell they're a man.
Still not getting the point, someone gotta spell it out for me.
ThePowaBallad@reddit
The point is trans people when they come out have thought about it a lot and "make sure" by a social transition, maybe a different names trying pronouns and gendered language, different presentation, if they still feel the same feelings then it's not transition and they can go back to assigned gender at birth.
Someone's dad immediately going "oh you're trans, well I'm trans" and going on to present as a mockery of trans people not only shows his general opinion of trans people is hostile but is clear he never said the first sentence with any sincerity and came out the gate with mocking which most people irl can tell from tone of voice.
Which is of course clearly not a safe space for the kid to be out in and decides to hide themselves or repress until out of the home
Karpsten@reddit
You make the significant assumption that anon is a reliable narrator (aside from the whole story being fake and gay anyways).
SpaceBug176@reddit
Ya, but then that loops back to helping Anon's case (if it, again, wasn't fake and gay) since he seems pretty cringe if we believe his narration.
YourLocalSnitch@reddit
This is just entirely hypothetical
Danijay2@reddit
Let's ignore that this story is made up and actually talk about this.
There is a very small number of people in the world who actually have gender dysphoria. And usually it's pretty obvious from an early age that they have said issue.
The sheer number of trans people that seem to pop up these days is far beyond that number. Which is a clear indication that it is a societal trend to be trans right now. Even some more conservative estimates say that around 70 to 80% of people are likely faking it.
And if Anon's daughter suddenly, without prior warning, (though it's not like parents can't overlook things happening in their children's lives) decided to be trans, during an age where peer pressure and fitting in is more important than at any other time in your life, then I'm inclined to believe that she absolutely made that choice because it's trendy. Not because she has actual gender dysphoria.
Blue_Robin_04@reddit
Bullying? Isn't this just teasing?
THEzwerver@reddit
they explicitly say that it isn't funny anymore yet he continues, I think that's a pretty good sign it's beyond teasing.
DeNeRlX@reddit
Bullying your kid because politics convinced you a group of people are bad is just insane.
TaftYouOldDog@reddit
Letting a kid make their own decisions for life altering surgery and drugs is also insane though.
All of it requires time and nuance
Bad_Routes@reddit
The time and nuance is for them to see a doctor who specialized in this field. Not have a misunderstanding shitty parent bully their kid after confiding in them. It's not hard to say anon is in the wrong
TaftYouOldDog@reddit
I'd say step 1 is therapy tbh
Bad_Routes@reddit
Better than bullying them like anon. But you have to be willing to accept that therapy may lead them to seek treatment if they truly are trans not validate your preexisting beliefs that kids cannot be trans
TaftYouOldDog@reddit
I didn't say they couldn't be.
I'm saying it's odd they can self diagnose, nothing else can be validated with self diagnosis as easy as this.
Therapy and patience is a necessity.
Bad_Routes@reddit
I didn't say it wasn't either.
You are on a thread thats calling out a pathetic attempt at anon creating a hypothetical where a man bullies his kid. No one said to just believe the self diagnosis, we just know the dad is full of shit. Whether gay or fake.
At least try to believe in nuance like you claim.
MiNdOverLOADED23@reddit
You're correct, but reddit is always going to go ReEeeeEeeEEEe over this topic, cuz it's a far left wing echo chamber
Bad_Routes@reddit
They aren't correct because the snuck premise of their statement assumes that there enough parents and doctors just letting kids make uninformed decisions by themselves to be a real issue. That simply isn't the case.
True nuance and patience is take your kids to see a doctor and take extensive testing and screening to see if thats the case. Not just waiting around and hoping they let it go like the other guy is proposing
TaftYouOldDog@reddit
Let them whinge, it doesn't matter to me.
mendokusei15@reddit
Exacly, like your take. Please take your own advice and actually do your research about how this actually works.
DeNeRlX@reddit
For so many, that's not the point. It's about having a pretense of neutrality if it can be used to push against progress.
But the same people don't have an observable history of being vocally pro-trans in the situations they would on paper be fine with.
Bad_Routes@reddit
Exactly their "time and nuance" is just delaying it for as long as possible until someone gives up. Then they can say "see! It was just a faze if it were true you would still want to do it after 20 years" or something like that. Their neutrality is based on maintaining the status quo not in actual terms of neutrality
20Wizard@reddit
FYI not everyone takes hormones. I know plenty of people first hand that don't.
TaftYouOldDog@reddit
Never suggested they did
DeNeRlX@reddit
Who mentioning surgery? Did you see 'trans' and immediately thing of genitals? That's on you dude...
The only thing mentioned here is social transition.
stable_115@reddit
No one mentioned genitals. You read kid and then immediately went to genitals. Gross.
SuperMageFromOW@reddit
"Life altering surgeries and drugs."
Do you know how hard it is to get them? I went through therapy and psychiatry for years before they even considered giving me hormones. Who's letting a kid do this?
SpiritedEclair@reddit
Are you intentionally obtuse?
MonkeManWPG@reddit
Do you think that all someone has to do is say that they're trans and without question they can start having things chopped off?
Imagine if you could form an opinion on trans people without having to write fan-fic about what happens when someone comes out as trans. I guess the issue there is that you might have to have a positive opinion.
Grakch@reddit
why is it always this way? why is it never maybe someone was just curious about something because they’re influenced by it in many ways as a child and think that’s what they are but in reality it’s just a childhood fad?
seems like every online safe space or left leaning place always thinks a child is trans 100% without knowing all of the facts. the idea that it could just be just a fad or passing curiosity does not seem exist in these spaces. Is there a reason for that? Is it because people who were just curious about these things as children/teens aren’t as vocal as those that were more than curious?
Tarexippus@reddit
If you haven't noticed, when you dismiss a child with "oh, that's just a phase." You dramatically alienate them from yourself, every time. It doesn't matter if they're listening to classical music or considering your gender identity - being told "you'll get over it" does nothing except make you resentful and distant from the person saying it.
The only way to make a child feel safe and seen enough to share their delicate and evolving inner world is to treat it with the severity and earnesty that they do. The child doesn't have other life experiences- this IS their entire world. They have never heard classical music before. They have never considered what it means to be attracted to girls or boys. They have never considered what their gender identity is or what that means. Imagine if you were dealing with a problem that was literally your entire world and the most important person to you, who you depend on for everything, tells you "that's not real. Stop thinking about that. It will go away. It's not important." Even if it is a phase, hearing that will be like feeling a bomb drop on your head. Does that explain it?
marimo_ball@reddit
This is the 4chan enclave, you won't get through to these people
lazerblam@reddit
Reddit is OBSESSED with trans, it's really weird
THEzwerver@reddit
nuance exists. of course it can be "just a phase", just like being curious about your bisexuality or identifying with any group of people, that's what childhood is about. the point is that you as a parent have to help your child discover whether they're trans or not. literally just not bullying them and forcing them into the closet could be a start. sure, they can "look ugly" in your eyes or whatever the fuck you think, but let them discover who they are or would like to be while having supportive parents.
and before anyone here starts with "life altering decision" type of argument, if you'd have done even a lick of research, you'd know it's not just about changing your body, at the start it's always a social transition like changing your name and clothing.
because you should accept them for who they are and not decide for them. there is no checklist someone has to complete before they can identify as trans, as long as their intentions are serious. basically, if someone comes out as trans, your first reaction shouldn't be "are you sure" or "oh it's just a phase".
and even if they decide, detransitioning is a thing that happens and is perfectly acceptable within the community. there should be no shame if they decide to do so (as long as they stay respectful to others).
possibly, it's a very private thing so I don't blame anyone not sharing such info with strangers.
BlackAxemRanger@reddit
I mean trans has definitely become a trendy thing, I would not be surprised if it is a phase for most people today
MiNdOverLOADED23@reddit
Yeah it's a trend for kids who have angst, sadness, maybe don't generally meet masculine(if boy)/feminine(if girl) standards... Their emotion issues then get precipitated to the fad. The dissonance is something they can blame all their emotional issues on.
BlackAxemRanger@reddit
"Yeah it's a trend for kids who have angst, sadness, maybe don't generally meet masculine(if boy)/feminine(if girl) standards"
You're pretty much describing the standard experience for being a kid. And finding some explanation and escape has been a thing probably since forever
MiNdOverLOADED23@reddit
I didnt mean to imply it's every kid, or even most. But it is a common theme in kids and adults who have "gender annomalies"
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Great, sounds like that she'pl get over it then and not have to go through the horror show of regretting getting her tits chopped off-- or she is actually trans and then she's an adult and can actually know what she wants.
ElTitux@reddit
I dont know how old Is a 9th grade but probably sound like phase or only because they saw that somewhere
Narrow_Lee@reddit
Imagine thinking a 13 year old has the capacity to make a life altering decision.
RaoulLaila@reddit
I am neither gay nor trans, but I hate being a "man". I knew this since I was TEN. I always enjoyed doing more girly and cute things than whatever men enjoy, and I was already doing miserable and absolutely loathed going to the barber to get a haircut. It wasnt until I fought with tooth and nails and dealt with years of bullying by my family and classmates until I was finally confident to be older and wear my long hair and be more expressive and emotional. This type of shit drives kids insane and my personality still hasnt changed. I do not know how gender dysphoria works, nor do I even know what its like to like the same gender, but if something as simple as being forced to get a haircut, play football, or do muscle sports made me miserable, I cant imagine what kids that think they are a different gender go through. Now here is the thing, I still agree that kids should not go through medical procedures yet, but it shouldnt be that big of a deal to allow those kids to at least wear what they are comfortable with
Grakch@reddit
Okay that’s your experience and nothing close to what someone else may be going through so might not be a good idea to put your scenario as the gold standard to dealing with things.
RaoulLaila@reddit
Im not speaking purely out of my own experience. The amount of trans friends I have that told me that "I have always known as a kid that I feel different.", etc, etc, etc. If literally every trans person or gender non conforming person that I have met tells me that they knew they were different since they were a kid, how much of a mental jump do you have to make to think kids, especially teenagers would be lying about such things? To be fair, a lot of teens do in fact seek validation and want to fit in somewhere, but this is exactly where forcing them into a ""normal"" society harms them more in the long run and bully them out of every "weird" or unusual interest they have
Worior9131@reddit
As a MTF my experience lines up with that, I always kinda knew but never had a word for it and I always thought about how I wish I was a girl or how I would wish I could just swap gebers once and it to be permanent. People like them love to preach about the trans experience without at the very least being familiar with it.
Newgidoz@reddit
What life altering decision did they make here?
TGWsharky@reddit
Identifying a trans is not a life altering decision. At that point, without extensive doctors and psychologists assessments, it is a most wearing a binder and masculine clothing. Probably a shorter haircut too.
901_vols@reddit
The redditor takeaway lmfao, they always have the dressup avatar
SS370N@reddit
W
ChadPowers200_@reddit
Kids have had phases since the beginning of time. Of course some of them will stop thinking they are trans as they mature.
THEzwerver@reddit
Yeah exactly, but that shouldn't be a free pass for parents to dismiss the feelings of their child. They should help them discover who they want to be.
mogusXIII@reddit
Children should not be able to transition. She needs to suppress it until she has her own child to mock. The payoff to transitioning is a lot better anyway to solve a midlife crisis
my-27th-account@reddit
💅
jamiebob555@reddit
Funny though
SonTyp_OhneNamen@reddit
Look at lil bro replying to obvious larp that happened on a different website 4 years ago
lllGrapeApelll@reddit
In a case like this they likely were never trans and more likely a teenager trying to find control in a world of rapid change.
lazerblam@reddit
Soyest comment I've read today
spaniel_rage@reddit
Absolutely
torinato@reddit
How to tell someone doesn’t understand being goth or trans:
MrBingly@reddit
"It's not a phase mom! I was born having to wear this specific trendy clothing and makeup!"
ThatGuyOfStuff@reddit
I see more goth people nowadays than i did before.
Also, I assure you being trans is way more involved than a fashion statement.
Danijay2@reddit
Yeah. And most people who claim to be trans are faking it.
Or are you going to argue that the number of people who are trans and the number of people who actually have gender dysphoria aren't vastly different?
It's absolutely a societal trend right now.
ThatGuyOfStuff@reddit
I can tell you from experience that is not the case.
Let's think about this for a second, gender dysphoria is medical diagnosis. Not every trans person has that diagnosis and many states and insurance companies don't even require it for hormone therapy and gender affirming surgeries. Not only that, but many trans people (especially in the US) refuse to get the diagnosis because they don't trust being put on a list, regardless of how beneficial said diagnosis can be for them. So yeah, they're probably gonna have different rates.
hematite2@reddit
Anon fantasizes about bullying his imaginary daughter
Danijay2@reddit
Let's ignore that this story is obviously made up and actually talk about this.
There is a very small number of people in the world who actually have gender dysphoria. And usually it's pretty obvious from an early age that they have said issue.
The sheer number of trans people that seem to pop up these days is far beyond that number. Which is a clear indication that it is a societal trend to be trans right now.
Even some more conservative estimates say that around 70 to 80% of people are likely faking it.
And if Anon's daughter suddenly, without prior warning, (though it's not like parents can't overlook things happening in their children's lives) decided to be trans, during an age where peer pressure and fitting in is more important than at any other time in your life, then I'm inclined to believe that she absolutely made that choice because it's trendy. Not because she has actual gender dysphoria.
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Once kids get into this sort of identitarian soet of thing, they need to be taught that these labels do not matter, that you are an individual and don't fit into set categories. You are allowed to be a woman and like having short hair and do sports. You are allowed to like who you like. You are allowed to wear pants if you want, and none of that makes you anything but you.
Danijay2@reddit
Rational thinking? In my fake and gay subreddit? Impossible.
xemanhunter@reddit
Inventing fictional scenarios online because reality doesn’t align with your worldviews?
It's okay Anon, maybe you are a little girl after all, considering you're playing make believe with digital dolls lmao
Danijay2@reddit
My boy. OP did not create this greentext. You writing this comment is like shouting at a brick wall. The original creator of this greentext will never read any of this.
InfernoDeesus@reddit
me when I fantasize about bullying a 14 year old by cross-dressing
Danijay2@reddit
Bro genuinely getting bent out of shape over a made-up story. LMAO.
InfernoDeesus@reddit
Who is bro? I'm just pointing out anon is making himself look like a loser
redleafrover@reddit
Fake: anon etc etc
Gay: look mama they transed the reddit greentext community
Mama: DON'T YOU GO SPENDIN ALL AH KARMA ON TRANSFURRY SHIT AGAIN PABLO
ThatGuyOfStuff@reddit
This subreddit has been lgbt friendly for like 3 years.
Go to r/4chan if you dont like it they still post greentexts there
lazerblam@reddit
Wow this rustled a lot of redditor jimmies 🤣
thomasguyregis@reddit
This is why r/4chan is the better subreddit. This one is pozzed to all hell
MechaBuster@reddit
I mean majority of reddit is liberal still surprised seeing this is the 4chan subreddit lol 😆
Due-Boss-4354@reddit
True dat. Kinda weird how you get the usual woke opinions on a greentext post, but I guess it's still reddit after all.
boofmaster6000@reddit
Woke opinions, such as caring for your child and understanding them when they're being vulnerable. Truly an absurd stance.
Due-Boss-4354@reddit
To be objective, yes, I think that's something woke people do and care about more than general populace.
However, I wasn't exactly talking about that, what I had in mind is how many comments just jumped to the conclusion that the doughter is 100% trans, despite being at a naturally confusing age and influenced by modern social media and ideology clashes.
If the post is silly for taking one extreme, the comments are silly for taking the other. Maybe it's just natural for americans, idk, I have more than two parties to choose from.
boofmaster6000@reddit
I think it's more productive to assume someone showing extreme vulnerability and honesty is, y'know, being honest. Yes, they may or may not be "actually" trans, but whether or not you believe them wholeheartedly is irrelevant when it comes to social transitioning. Changing clothes is not the same as changing sexes.
Regardless, the answer is not belittling them. It is not a woke opinion to believe you shouldn't belittle your child for being honest with you. Whether or not you believe the child is or is not trans, the answer is not what the father did in this post, and your comment supports the father's actions, which I find to be unacceptable.
Due-Boss-4354@reddit
Okay, sure, but I'm talking about the comments here.
boofmaster6000@reddit
And what do you think I'm doing?
torinato@reddit
Doughter makes her sound like a gingerbread girl. Also if she’s trans or not isn’t really relevant, he was dismissive of something his DAUGHTER felt was important. Do you believe ridiculing your child when they have a different belief is less harmful than assuming a person who says they’re trans, is a trans person?
Due-Boss-4354@reddit
You were so close to an upvote with that opening line but then you just had to go back to it instead of letting go.
No comment on the rest.
Capital_Pick3604@reddit
Woke is when trans Im very smart
tgiyb1@reddit
Having positive opinions about trans people is undeniably in the "woke" catalog nowadays. Whether or not you think it's a bad thing to be woke is up to you.
VengineerGER@reddit
It’s like calling for genocide of the Jews and the supremacy of the Aryan race and then denying that you’re a Nazi. You can’t control what other people label you as.
JaSper-percabeth@reddit
yes
uber-abuser@reddit
late 40s divorced father of two type comment
lazerblam@reddit
Fucking what lol
Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit
late 40s divorced father of two type comment
ShrekSouffle@reddit
Fucking what lol
SuperMageFromOW@reddit
Late 50s divorced dad comment
Secure-Stick-4679@reddit
The joke but 10 years older
SuperMageFromOW@reddit
I use internet explorer don't be mean :(
lazerblam@reddit
Unlike a megavirgin like you lmao, stay mad 🖖
PhantomForces_Noob@reddit
Wild how far i had to scroll to see this lmao
DoesntUnderstandJoke@reddit
I wonder which ones 🤔 🚂
6crem@reddit
Being trans is like a thing in between having recreational drugs and going to fishing.
SturmGizmo@reddit
I doubt Anon is legally allowed within 500ft of any school.
M4TYASs@reddit
Honestly if this hypothetical dad presented it a bit differently, it could be hella cute and supportive actually. But as it stands now thats just some "i dont know why my kid doesnt talk to me anymore" type of shit
throwtheclownaway20@reddit
Nah, it's not the new "being Goth". It is, however, a kid knowing their father was being a disingenuous, uncaring asshole who they'll stop talking to the second they're legally able to.
Specific_Toe_1387@reddit
Well you can argue that it's become a kind of subculture at this point, with a specific set if cultural attributes tied to it, and mostly young people joining. Also some kids definitely see being trans as a way to be unique and quirky, or to piss off your parents, not to solve any actual prblems with dysphoria they may or may not have
MechaBuster@reddit
Wasnt there a youtuber that treated cross dressing as a joke them transitioned to due his audience and the people surrounding to transition even thought it wasn't their intention? 🤔
ThePowaBallad@reddit
I haven't met a single person who thinks transitioning is a way to be unique and quirky
Maybe a few people use they/them on the internet only but most are just not in the position to come out
What I do know is from personal experience and from other trans people is that Puberty felt like actual torture and I hate what it's done to my body due to the specific primary, secondary and tertiary characteristics developed in it AND I knew I was trans since about 14 it just took 6 years to feel safe enough to come out and another 4 to be able to get any form of medical care cause of the wait lists and hoops to jump through
If ANYONE was doing it for a trend they'd stop after the hate speech directed at them or the difficulty getting medical care
MrBones-Necromancer@reddit
I realize this is a strongly personal issue, and you may not be happy to hear counter-points but I will point to the detrans subreddit here to show that some people do, in fact, feel like they were misguided as teens and preteens and had a less than complete idea about themselves at that time. Many have expressed that they felt it helped them to stand out or feel special.
Many too have expressed the sentiment that hate and bigotry directed towards them further entrenched them into their beliefs, even when they were privately uncertain. Thats not to say this sentiment is true of you, at all. But for some, yes, it was a way to feel unique at a time when standing out and feeling unique are important milestones, and feel later in life that they have made a mistake.
20Wizard@reddit
This will be anecdotal, but none of my trans friends frequent reddit or did it to stand out. Infact they don't even bring it up.
People assume the worst. I'm sure it happens but it's not as widespread as people think.
ThePowaBallad@reddit
Okay but you need to understand detrans is statically minimal and is much much more overblown than it is AND detrans subreddit is also often people faking and making up stories
Like detransition is about 13% MAX of trans people with most averages staying about 5%
This includes people who just socially transition and about 65% of detransitioners then retransition later in life and a high percentage of those that detransition place it as a result of hate and discrimination
In terms of rates of regret and detransition of hormones let alone surgery is between 0.3% and 3% of people going through them
The regret rate for knee surgery is between 10% and 20%
Basically no teen medically transitions at best it's on wait lists or on blockers and detransition rates at the most generous definition is lower than many things and procedures that are just down without a thought
MrBones-Necromancer@reddit
Let's not talk statistics, it's a losing game for everybody. If less than 1% of people are trans worldwide, do we really want to be discrediting low patient population percentages? It's enough to say, they are they, they are real. They live and breathe as you do.
And of those people, some do in fact feel as though the statements above are true, that they were socially pressured into transitioning or felt compelled to for reasons less than true gender dysphoria.
Champomi@reddit
Even if you think your kid is trying to be quirky, you either talk with them to know if they're being serious about or not, or simply wait for the phase to end. You don't shame them in front of their whole school by doing a bad transwoman impression. What if they get bullied because of you? No matter if it's a phase or not, if you like your kids you want to be supportive. Does it really matter if you have a son with a femboy phase or a trans daughter?
throwaway6444377_@reddit
anons daughter is gonna kill herself in ten years due to her parents being assholes
squatOpotamus@reddit
Good dad lol. These comments are wild.
MechaBuster@reddit
Fr fax
erectionation@reddit
fake: daughter
gay: fantasizing over crossdressing in public
baz4k6z@reddit
Thats it, close the internets
rising-buddha@reddit
Sea_Cryptographer544@reddit
Yeah congrats on making your kid not trust you anymore with anything of importance. In 15 years you'll be wondering where you effed up and why you never see each other.
-ZedsDeadBaby-@reddit
It's okay, this is fake and gay anyway
slaverofdoom@reddit (OP)
Venn720@reddit
Buddy thinks the greentext actually happened in crine 😭
DowntownGrocery6945@reddit
Yep, the kid may or may not actually be trans who the fuck knows (I mean it's all fake but let's suspend our disbelief here), but the whole "no you're not" or "it's just a phase" response to a kid coming out to their parents is one of the worst things you can say if you want to have an open and trusting relationship with your children.
AbortionBulld0zer@reddit
Or kid will grow up in actual human being instead of redditor on hormones
slaverofdoom@reddit (OP)
Lmao
11fingersinmydogsbum@reddit
I can't believe how many commenters here are taking the post seriously. Even assuming it's fake and gay, they're still taking it seriously. Just mind boggling.
Sea_Cryptographer544@reddit
I have this personality trait where I answer seriously even though I know it's a joke or fake
becomingknown@reddit
Let the downvote journey continue
slaverofdoom@reddit (OP)
skunkynugs@reddit
Fake and gay is just a meme. Deep down we know these stories are real, one way or another.
marimo_ball@reddit
> Dress and makeup, no problem, insist on being called female but it's totally just to show my daughter what for guys!!!
Has anyone told her yet
randominsamity@reddit
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Yes, yes it is. Not even trans anymore, now it's whatever your prefered sexuality and nonbinary gender identity. Literally just trying to be cool, unique, whatever.
jayeddy99@reddit
I feel like daily wire would love to do this as a movie
pixel_doofus@reddit
Fake: Anon has a wife
Gay: Anon goes trans, did not say he came back
MysteriousApparition@reddit
Fake, but who’s the chick with the fat ass
slaverofdoom@reddit (OP)
Holy echo chamber batman
stumbledalong@reddit
Always has been, Robin
slaverofdoom@reddit (OP)
Real
rustyblackhart@reddit
You’re just bigots.
Kodo_yeahreally@reddit
exept his son is not done with the whole trans thing, he'll just never talk to anon ever again since anon just showed him he doesn't care about his feelings
Weaselpuss@reddit
Thank god and good riddance
Tonberry_Cheesecake@reddit
Good riddance?
maggiemayfish@reddit
And then everybody clapped
SeingaltUNo@reddit
cheeks
a-bun-called-Loaf@reddit
Anons let's set aside our differences and clap some cheeks together
csbsju_guyyy@reddit
Tonberry_Cheesecake@reddit
Odyssey1337@reddit
anon's cheeks
Two-Shots-Of-Vodka@reddit
I’m gonna fuck ur son wen he turns 18, Anon
andooet@reddit
Are you a genius for alienating you child who is struggling with something, even if she's "just confused"?
Okaoka_12@reddit
Realest thing that's happened today
glasser999@reddit
I've been saying for years, trans is the modern version of emo and goth.
CoolioCucumberbeans@reddit
Yasimear@reddit
"No its funny, I swear, you see the joke is that his kid trusted him with something so he bullied and shamed them until they shut down. Genius!"
Ya'll really have 0 idea how any of the things you're terrified of work do you?
boofmaster6000@reddit
I really hope the vast majority of people in this thread never have kids. If this story is real, Anon completely fucked their kids relationship with them and probably introduced a lot of insecurity and self-doubt.
Even if one believes outdated opinions, such as trans people being devil spawn or whatever, that's your kid. Why are you belittling your kid? If you think it's mental illness, then why are you bullying them? That's not how you fix mental illness. Listen to them when they speak, put them in therapy, and/or support them half-way by allowing them to present as a woman but not fully transition until you're sure that they're sure. That's your fucking child, your flesh and blood, and you're going to let some clothes get in the way of your love for them? It's pathetic.
Yasimear@reddit
100% agreed.
DazzlingProcedure186@reddit
You are literally one of people the post is making fun of, obviously you'd cry about it wdym? Also no one is scared of anything anything, just disgusted
Yasimear@reddit
This post is making fun of a 9th grader wtf are you talking about💀
Oilprinter@reddit
Bro you play gacha goonerbait, I don't think you can call other people disgusting xD
DazzlingProcedure186@reddit
Its beautiful to see how murican redditors are fuming over this lmao
DowntownGrocery6945@reddit
I mean the whole coming out to parents just for them to tell you it's a phase or you're not actually queer is a common enough thing that it's going to hit close to home for a lot of people.
SoupaMayo@reddit
Her daughter is still trans, but she know her dad is a jerk
bfg9kdude@reddit
Did you just respect a fake identity of Anon who mockingly said he's trans? It's HIS daughter, not her.
SoupaMayo@reddit
Heh it was just a typo because ESL, my bad
Smexy_Zarow@reddit
Are you fucking deadass getting offended on behalf of some asshole who made up a bommer humor story
Defiant-Silver9593@reddit
Anon performed a full circle and out gayed his daughter out of it
patrlim1@reddit
His son. He's trans. Anon is misgendering him
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
"Her" son. Christ, do you not have a compassionate bone in your body?
patrlim1@reddit
Anon is a transphobe, he is gonna misgender his son.
StinkoMcBingo11@reddit
Who’s to say the kid wasn’t transitioning to non-binary? Not very woke of you
patrlim1@reddit
Fair enough, my bad.
cybrfunk@reddit
Mega Lul
LEGAL_SKOOMA@reddit
10 years later anon wonders why his kid doesn't call back or talk to him at all
nightmarevk@reddit
10 years later anon gets call from kid thanking him.
Krapio@reddit
And if daughter was trans, most don’t last past age 20
boofmaster6000@reddit
Even if this was true, you're despicable for making a joke like that.
"Haha, get it guys, they're so relentlessly bullied that they kill themselves! LOL!"
sorryamitoodank@reddit
Trans people don’t kill themselves because of bullying. They kill themselves because they don’t pass and will never pass, so they give up.
MonkeManWPG@reddit
Me when I lie:
LemonFlavoredMelon@reddit
Sadly, Anon might be right about this
RockStarCorgi@reddit
Ain't no way people in here treating a greentext story as real. How far we've fallen
adamcmorrison@reddit
Whosebert@reddit
5 days later her daughter killed herself
InfernoDeesus@reddit
and everybody clapped
Arikaido777@reddit
“when i grow up im going to bully my children”
anon is going places
grumpydai@reddit
What kind of an edgy boomer wrote this bs?
mighty_bandersnatch@reddit
Yeah it does have that mid-80s SNL feel to it
Wally4Ever@reddit
All the comments going off on the father not being supportive and shit. The fuck do you expect she's a 14yr old? Oh right on daughter, sorry I mean son, I will run to the pharmacy right now and get you on the strongest period blockers. What do you mean you haven't even got your period yet? Oh ok, then I'll just buy all their testosterone pills and whatever hormone bomb they can give me over the counter such that in just a couple of short weeks you'd be changed in the a way that cannot be ever reversed and you will surely not regret it in any way shape or form in a couple of years when your frontal lobe starts to actually fucking develop. Grow a fucking brain. Yes he made fun of her in an exaggerated fashion, but would you all seriously put you 14yr kid on transition pills and get them sex change surgery? You are fucking insane and should be locked up. I too, as many other kids when they are 8-14yr old wanted to be a girl. But instead of getting me sex change surgery, my parents just laughed when I wore one of my sister's old dresses.
OpBanana1@reddit
Anon cures a mental illness
684beach@reddit
Dont be reductive and start saying nonsense that was never insinuated. If you believe the parents are a threat, as a teacher your duty is to report such. If you dont have reason(evidence) to believe so, if a kid tells you they are confused about identity(or any other issue), best tell their parents who are legally responsible for their wellbeing for 18 years.
CapitalPunBanking@reddit
This wasn't funny the first 40 times it was posted either
jednorog@reddit
IDK why I come into this subreddit as if it's /r/thingsthathappened
Fratzenfresse@reddit
This subreddit really has gone to shit huh?
Fratzenfresse@reddit
And everyone clapped lol
Arstanishe@reddit
see new greentext
look inside
an old robotic chicken skit (it was inu yasha anime fan that time)
KhaleesiXev@reddit
InuYasha was awesome
Arstanishe@reddit
agree. both the tv series and the robo chicken skit
Krapio@reddit
Father of the year
AngusLynch09@reddit
What's the genius part?
TACHANK@reddit
The part where you die alone.
whiletrueplayd2@reddit
anon is a horrible person
Mental_Jeweler_3191@reddit
The social contagion is real, folks.
GruntBlender@reddit
As real as this post is real and straight. That's to say, not at all.
Theseus505@reddit
Fake: The whole thing.
Gay: Anon wants to crossdress to attract men.
WarMeasuresAct1914@reddit
LurkersUniteAgain@reddit
fake: do i even have to say it
gay: do i even have to say it
MonotonyDauntSonder@reddit
careful chuds some people enjoy forcing ones gambit by biting the bullet.