Intel or AMD
Posted by Express-Chemical-454@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 144 comments
Long time intel guy here. I’m planning on building a new pc to replace my 9900k.
Growing up there was a running gag that if you had an AMD, your pc was going to catch fire or just catastrophically break
Is the 9800x3d really the king of the hill or is the echo chamber loud? Are the intel issues in the 13 and 14 gen that bad that it’s not a realistic long time purchase? My z390i had an 8700k and a 9900k and its been rock solid since 2018 (the i9 went in 2020)
Ive had many pcs and laptops and I built many as well and intel has never did me wrong. Looking for opinions from the experts.
Inner-Room5545@reddit
What type of gaming are you trying to do? The x3d line is only worth it if you're trying to do super high framerate 1080p gaming.
FairGamer997@reddit
Intel newest core ultra series are fine. I find them cheaper than the overpriced (and overrated) amd x3d cpus. if you want am5, ryzen 7 7700 is more than good enough for 90% of use cases
sktlastxuan@reddit
270k is great, if you want something even better you can get the 9950x3d.
tpablazed@reddit
Wait for Nova Lake.. or AM6.. at this point I really think that's the play.. if you can wait.. do.
Plenty_Article11@reddit
I've been building both for 25 years (Had a AMD 486 and Intel 486, Athlon, Pentium 3, Core Duo and Quad, Athlon 64, Core i generation 2-14, Ryzen gen 1-5) AMD is on top this generation for gaming. If you do a little rendering or multi-tasking on the side you could get the new Core Ultra 270K, it is a killer value.
If it is primarily gaming then just get a used Ryzen 7800X3D for $280 (I have seen used ones for this price). It is still probably twice as fast in raw CPU stuff as your 9900K. Sell that 9900K quick while it still has any value. Any $90-$120 motherboard like a B650, B850, X670, X680 will be fine
aragorn18@reddit
For what purpose? For gaming, you really can't beat the X3D CPUs. They fast and power efficient. Plus, they're on a platform that will continue to get upgrades.
Express-Chemical-454@reddit (OP)
Gaming and 3d modelling. Tbh I’m making this to cater to the steam frame and setting up a racing sim rig
aragorn18@reddit
AMD for gaming. Intel for 3D modeling. Which do you do more of?
Express-Chemical-454@reddit (OP)
It’s honestly 50/50
KFC_Junior@reddit
get a 270k plus if you can afford it then, its a bit behind the 7800x3d in gaming but beats even a 9950x in productivity. oh and it costs the same as a 9700x lmfao
Tyler_P07@reddit
Ah yes, buy a CPU for a dead-end platform that he will not ever be able to upgrade, that is worse for gaming (which is 50% of his use), and won't make a single difference for his 3d printing compared to a 9800x3d.
All so they can save a little over $100...
KFC_Junior@reddit
hes been on the same motherboard for how long he clearly doesnt GAF about platform longevity
X3m9X@reddit
Yeah man LMFAO, holding onto a 9900k for this long means by next time he upgrades a pc even amd will hope to a new socket.
JHoney1@reddit
This is the situation I’m in. Currently about to upgrade my 9700k and 1070ti.
se777enx3@reddit
I never upgraded a CPU without changing MB as well. I don’t care about a platform longevity since I upgrade maybe every 7/8 years.
marinov1c@reddit
Vocês falam como se as pessoas trocassem de processador anualmente kkkkk
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Express-Chemical-454@reddit (OP)
Why the 270k and not 285k in your opinion?
KFC_Junior@reddit
because the 270k is barely slower than the 285k but much cheaper and better for gaming
MiltuotasKatinas@reddit
This, people in the thread even posting the "benchmarks" that dont even have the intel plus chips
aragorn18@reddit
Then I'd go with the 9800X3D. It's basically the best gaming CPU and it will be more than enough for your 3D printing work.
HerbFlourentine@reddit
What software are you used for modeling?
aragorn18@reddit
Did you mean to reply to OP?
MCJMS@reddit
I think you’ll find the 9850x3D beats the 9800x3D
aragorn18@reddit
Did you notice the word "basically" in my post? Yes, the 9850X3D is on average 3% faster, but it consumes 30% more power to do so and most 9800X3D chips can be overclocked to match it.
myipisavpn@reddit
9800x3d already runs hot enough. Hard pass on 30% more power for 3% more performance
SurgicalMarshmallow@reddit
AMD. And your power bill will thank you. I do MRI data and solid works modelling and it runs fine. GPU and having enough ram (rip your wallet) matters.
Fast primary SSD will also help. Don't be afraid to step one generation back to make some savings. It's easy to upgrade and add a second drive this later.
aminy23@reddit
Many people like to act like node doesn't matter, but it does.
Intel 5th gen to 11th Gen was made on 14nm while AMD Ryzen 3000/5000 was made on a TSMC 7nm node.
As a result Intel had to keep dumping more and more power into the chip to compete, while AMD used very little power by comparison.
Intel 12th-14th Gen was made on an Intel 10nm node, while AMD moved onto a 5nm node TSMC node. Again Intel had to push wattage up and up to compete.
Intel fans will argue that Intel might get close or competitive with performance on the old node - but they couldn't match efficiency so the performance came at a loss.
However there is also an Uno-reverse factor. Intel moved onto a hybrid architecture - when performance isn't needed it ends up super-efficient by using E cores instead. I use a 12700KF for a 24/7 home server because it idles lower than AMD can and performance isn't a concern when it's idling.
Now Intel moved to TSMC 3nm while AMD is on TSMC 4-5nm. Intel now leads in efficiency with architectures like Lunar Lake which is pure high efficiency without a focus on high performance. And Arrow Lake which is a balance of efficiency and performance.
Unfortunately few people actually care about efficiency - so they were not the most popular architectures.
SurgicalMarshmallow@reddit
So Intel has retaken "office" situations - ie people using Excel / word where majority of time is idle?
Is that also the case in the mobile processor series too?
aminy23@reddit
In mobile power, Lunar Lake was ridiculously efficient and often resulted in over a day of battery life as a result. It was made to feel snappy with WiFi 7, Gen 5 NVMe SSDs, and DDR5-8533 RAM so things load fast - but it's not high performance with CPU power.
The 14nm Alder Lake/Raptor Lake CPUs are generally high performance, low efficiency for laptops.
But for desktops - they essentially combined a laptop CPU with a desktop CPU. Low power mode you use the laptop CPU, high power mode it switches to full Desktop power.
So in a 24/7 performance load - 12th-14th Gen would suck with efficiency compared to AMD
But for idling - running on E cores only it can beat AMD.
Ultimately we're talking about the most advanced technology in the world, and it's no longer a simple black/white answer.
SurgicalMarshmallow@reddit
Tq for that. So the shake out is now horses for courses.
Btw is there a future Intel architecture that's going to be an entusiast/performance centric?
aminy23@reddit
Nova Lake
The interesting thing is that basically in 2009, AMD sold their factories to the emirate of Abu Dhabi. Their old factories became a new company - Global Foundries and AMD had a 10 year contract with them.
In 2019 Ryzen 3000 was made by TSMC instead of Global Foundries as soon as the 10 year contract ended. This suddenly made AMD better than Intel.
In these 10 years there was a lot of politics, but Intel basically couldn't make better chips. So it was basically doubling performance by just scaling chips up. If you take a 4 core CPU and put two together you get an 8 core CPU with double the performance, double the power usage, double the heat output, and the same single thread performance. But it's not more technologically advanced.
To order chips, you usually need to order it at least 2-3 years in advance. AMD didn't expect to beat Intel, so they didn't order enough. During the pandemic, many factories shut down and cancelled orders resulting in chip shortages as soon as they opened. However Intel had their own mature 5+ year old factory that could keep pumping out CPUs.
So while AMD Ryzen is better - AMD can't make/order enough CPUs so Intel sells more because they can produce more using older technology. As a result AMD was often the premium choice and Intel was the cheap choice.
Now TSMC makes almost everything, everything with advanced chips. TSMC makes AMD, Nvidia, and now Intel.
It's expected Zen 6 & Nova Lake will both use TSMC N2, so they could be made side-by-side in the same factory. This would really level the playing field as any performance differences will be innate to the design of the chip because both are manufactured the same way. If one of these companies wins heavily against the other, it would be devastating for the other company which would have a weak design/engineering team.
But on the other side - the latest cutting edge technology isn't gonna be cheap. Making affordable, good value computer parts will need to use not the latest cutting edge tech.
SurgicalMarshmallow@reddit
Wow man, thanks for taking me through the journey. I've been long with team Blue till my current desktop build. It's both completely fascinating, but also obvious (when you think about it) with the minutiae of politics and logistics.
The other side of things that excite me are also the ultra low power ARM systems that are slowly emerging.
Thanks again!
aminy23@reddit
Qualcomm Snapdragon is great, but Intel Lunar Lake ended up very competitive.
Arm with Nvidia/AMD GPU SOCs would be interesting and likely happen in the near future.
Boopped_Snoot@reddit
Sounds like a no-brainer then. That's exactly what I ended up doing. Keep in mind it is possible it'll just be more difficult but If you're interested in Valve/steams ecosystem then AMD is going to make your life easier. Also doesn't hurt that somehow they've become the more efficient ne for most things while maintaining a better price to performance ratio.
Actually posted on Reddit at the time because there was only $40 difference after rebates and stuff between the 9800, 9850, and 9900x3d's. Ended up actually getting the 9800X3D and I've been super happy with it.
Also ended up getting a 9060XT 16GB GPU And while the 9070 and some of nvidia's gpus technically perform better I can still pretty much put everything at ultra and sent it and I'll have amazing frame rate and textures. I also do a lot of 3D modeling and CAD/CAM/slicing so anything less than 16GB wasn't going to be usable. I got my Sapphire card through Walmart of all places for like $300 and couldn't be happier.
Running CachyOS with a windows VM to pick up for some software that doesn't work right on wine/proton but honestly probably 90% of software just works and 5% of the time, there's better Linux options anyway so it's Just at last 5% causing problems and it's getting hacked away out every day. Looks like in the next few weeks we'll get Adobe software/fsr4/and full HDMI 2.1 support.... Honestly at this point the only place I can reliably go to and see only good news is Linux/valve/AMD related.
Asstaroth@reddit
Don't know about adobe. Got tired of waiting and just got a cheap ssd to dual boot with cracked adobe stuff.
Boopped_Snoot@reddit
All the posts The guy who got Adobe running in wine now say "sorry this post was removed by reddit's legal operations team" so I assume it really did work and Adobe got big mad. The links back to the original post are dead for for me Even trying to return via my own comments but hear the random YouTuber talking about it https://youtu.be/i9Qp5XiO3vo?si=pftL-INlAlCfi8fg.
Apparently he wanted to put it on proton with it first and now the people in charge with wine are mad at him and holding it up.
But he couldn't figure it out how to submit it to wine and honestly that's fair. I know wine started the whole compatibility layer that proton is based off of but they definitely don't have valve support levels of customer service and they are probably a bit miffed at how everybody fangirls over proton while they've been working on basically the same thing for decades.
PowerfulAgent9939@reddit
This is the way
Tgrove88@reddit
We need to know your budget
Evening_Ticket7638@reddit
In that case you're looking for the 270k intel cpu. You'll game great and it's great for productivity too. For a much cheaper price.
Verdreht@reddit
For gaming the 9800X3D is king. Here's the closest thing you'll find to CPUs ranked by gaming performance:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/17.html
Depends what you're doing exactly for what you want out of your CPU. Meshing is a CPU multithreaded load, FEA is ideally done with the GPU
sk3tchcom@reddit
*9850X3D
beirch@reddit
*9950X3D2
RunsaberSR@reddit
For gaming? Negative.
beirch@reddit
You could have spent literally like 10 seconds educating yourself.
Guirita_Fallada@reddit
It loses most of its edge in higher resolutions than 1080p. Important to keep in mind.
NightKnight432@reddit
Are you sure you need a new CPU at all? What resolution are you gaming at, what GPU do you have, and what type of games do you play? Because for many people, they'll notice no significant difference at all going from a 9900k to a 9800x3d (or a 270k plus for that matter).
tagrephile@reddit
Gonna add to this. Went 9900K -> 9800X3D and didn’t notice a huge difference. Synthetic benchmarks show big gains but gaming and day to day was not that noticeable.
Express-Chemical-454@reddit (OP)
My current pc is still amazing for jrpgs which is the bulk of my gaming. I’m building this pc for a vr sim rig pushed by the steam frame.
It’ll also be for gta6
I currently have a 9900k, with an strix oc 3090
Brave-Ad-7460@reddit
I built an intel pc for gta 6 I knew the amd chip was better but it was also slower due too how windows was prioritizing intel over amd, they got in trouble for it and claim they aren’t doing it anymore but they probably are, everytime I mention this people claim that wasn’t ever happening except you can look it up and find out, anyway go with an amd chip
mailjozo@reddit
That game isn't even out yet...
Brave-Ad-7460@reddit
What does that have to do with anything
mailjozo@reddit
Building a PC for a game that comes in what could be a year makes no sense at all. There will be better hardware by then and it's only then when we can benchmark to see what you need. So it has to do with absolutely everything.
iszoloscope@reddit
And will at least take a year before appearing on PC after console release...
5u114@reddit
AMD CPU, NVIDIA GPU.
Can't go wrong with that rule of thumb.
Alternatively, full AMD CPU/GPU system if you want to run SteamOS. Smoother sailing.
Late-Strawberry-4593@reddit
Honestly, the tables have completely turned since the 9900K era, and the 9800X3D is objectively the undisputed king of gaming performance and efficiency today. Intel just hasn't been providing any competition whatsoever in the gaming space.
Warskull@reddit
For top of the line gaming performance, yes AMD is still on top. Games love 3D V-Cache If it has X3D in the name it goes straight to the top of the gaming charts. So the 9800X3D is the top recommended gaming CPU. The 7800X3D, the 5800X3D, and the 5700X3D will also all come up near the top of the charts.
However, Intel is finding a niche for itself in the budget performance role. The 270K Plus performs on the level of a 9950X for productivity and still has respectable performance for gaming. It will beat a 9700X in gaming. Plus it is only $300. The 250K Plus comes in a bit lower on the charts, but it is only $200. That 9800X3D runs you a bit over $400.
Intel was literally destroying their chips in the 13th and 14th gen, so it will take a while before people trust them again, but you'll start seeing the Intel Ultras pop up in budget builds.
YoSpiff@reddit
I've always built with AMD, starting with the 386/40 in the early 90's. Even when Intel was the top dog in performance, AMD was still the most bang for the buck and I stay comfortably behind the bleeding edge anyway.
Cold-Conclusion@reddit
Asking cause you have experience when will the RAM prices come down? I want a PC to build a homelab and upskill myself.
I don't need it now cause I'm still learning Linux and can make do with my laptop which has 8GB ram and 4 cores processor.
But will need something more powerful after 1 year. I'm not from US. Currently in a new PC with 64 GB ram will cost as much as a new bike. I don't want to spend that much amount of money on a PC.
Ideally i want to spend half of that amount which is around 700 USD.
I'm exploring cloud options too. But they too cost money no free alternatives.
YoSpiff@reddit
I really have no idea. Prices go up easily but tend to not come down. My best suggestion is keep an eye on prices and buy when it is at a lower point. Maybe some black Friday sales later in the year.
I usually buy things like the case and power supply first because those are not changing every quarter so prices are more stable.
Cold-Conclusion@reddit
Really sorry one last question. As per the article below prices will come down after 2030 which is after Micron's fab in New York for DDR5 RAM starts manufacturing.
And it will take 2 more years for it to reflect for us consumers cause vendors will not bring down prices at they have old inventory which they have bought at high prices.
Currently construction for new fabs is going on but they are for HBM not for consumer RAM or NVME.
The used market is also very high in prices. I was thinking of waiting till next year and if the prices are still high just build a PC by buying used DDR4 RAM and used NVME.
I just want someone to check if I am right for wrong?
https://www.softwareseni.com/when-will-the-memory-shortage-end-and-what-the-fab-timelines-actually-tell-us/
YoSpiff@reddit
I'm afraid I really have no idea. That is more of a financial prediction than a technical question.
Cold-Conclusion@reddit
NP man thanks for the time.
OkStrategy685@reddit
If amd motherboards are still stupid expensive Intel for sure. I got a 12900k because of the 13th and 14th gen issues at the time I was building and it's a beast in games, even if some don't use the ecores. Even going from a 10700k I don't see a massive difference.
Intel has never done me wrong either. I gave away my super old 6700k machine and it's still being used by a coworker to play rocket league lol. Not the most demanding game, but the thing is alive.
The_Machine80@reddit
Amd is the winner now but it can change again.
StJe1637@reddit
2 more weeks
ecktt@reddit
Well, the 7800X3D, 9800X3D and a few other AMD AM5 CPUs did burn up.
For gaming, yes. For productivity, no.
That's been fixed. Just make sure you update to the latest motherboard firmware (people incorrectly call it the BIOS)
AMD does have a USB dropping issue, which has officially been recognised, and no fix is planned. I've also not heard of people complaining about this in a long while.
aminy23@reddit
It wasn't just X3D.
Ryzen 7000 non-X3D was destroyed and burnt with high EXPO voltage due to flaws in AMD's EXPO algorithm:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-burning-out-root-cause-identified-expo-and-soc-voltages-to-blame
That was initially blamed on ASUS, but also affected other vendors.
Ryzen 9000 had a separate issue with very little transparency, and this had caused Ryzen 9000 CPUs including the 9600X to be destroyed primarily on AsRock boards:
https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-motherboards-are-now-killing-ryzen-5-9600x-cpus-four-cases-in-two-weeks
Intel has 3 chips:
* H0 - 12-14 Gen - 6 cores * C0 - 12-14 Gen - 16 cores * B0 - 13-14 Gen - 24 cores + enhanced DDR5 support
Dozens of different products are made by disabling cores and tweaking settings for these 3 chips.
H0/C0 is problem-free and covers: * i3 everything * i5-13600 (no-K)/14500 and below * i7/i9 12th Gen only
B0 had 2 problems: * Silicon via oxidation on "early chips" * High voltage degradation
The 13600K-13900K are 13th Gen and the "early chips" and 14th Gen fixed the via oxidation issue. Intel supposedly pulled defective CPUs from sales, however proper new 13th Gen is hard to find as it's pretty much replaced by 14th Gen. Retailers selling 13th gen are sus and may have old stock.
Once an Intel or AMD CPU is damaged, it is not fixable. The BIOS updates cannot fix degraded CPUs so 13th-14th Gen is dangerous to buy used.
However in a new Intel or AMD build, installing the latest BIOS updates prevents damage on Ryzen 7000 or Intel 14th Gen. It also prevents voltage degradation on 13th Gen. And we don't know with Ryzen 9000 and AsRock for sure.
ecktt@reddit
Yeah, I know the history. I already mentioned "and a few other AMD AM5 CPUs".
Was just answering the OP questions.
879190747@reddit
As long as you get new stuff. Don't buy old garbage.
SellTemporary7344@reddit
with the x3d cpus you will have lagspikes to 30fps (valorant overwatch for example)
Express-Chemical-454@reddit (OP)
I play valorant often. How often do these lag spikes happen? What causes them?
aminy23@reddit
u/SellTemporary7344 was down-voted, but correct. Here is an Article going in depth about how it happens with Apex ledgends:
https://overclock3d.net/news/software/apex-legends-patched-because-amd-ryzen-x3d-cpus-were-fast-enough-to-break-the-game/
It's not AMD's fault, rather the CPU is so much faster than previous CPUs on the market that the game engine doesn't expect that level of high performance causing glitches.
That is why literally slowing down the CPU as u/SellTemporary7344 is a probable fix until the games get patched/updated to work with faster hardware.
SellTemporary7344@reddit
yeah apex legends acknowledged the problem it happens on many other games :) but people on reddit addicted to downvoting when someone mentions their expensive cpu was a purchase mistake
This_Suit8791@reddit
It doesn’t happen for everyone because I have a 7800x3d and it’s never happened to me.
You are going to get good and bad things said by fan boys either way. I’ve used both intel and amd in honestly right now I would go with amd. I know you have kept your system a long time but having that option to upgrade just the cpu in the future is a nice option, amd has great support when it comes to this.
SellTemporary7344@reddit
they can happen frequently or just few times a day it also depends on each x3d cpu but I think downclocking them fixes it (not confirmed)
NotEax@reddit
I literally have never had these with my x3ds and i have them in three pcs
SellTemporary7344@reddit
uncap fps put lowest graphic settings and go live on twitch or youtube playing overwatch with 1% and 0.1% lows enabled in rtss in any of THREE x3d pcs share the link here
NotEax@reddit
Having OBS streaming alone would put more load on the pc than me just playing it. Also the classic “stream proof” so you can say you were right when someone doesnt want to entertain your tomfoolery. Nice. I prefer my reddit not be linked to anything outside of reddit.
SellTemporary7344@reddit
well dont be lying and recommending x3d cpus to people who play shooters then because they do drop to 30fps hard lagspike
NotEax@reddit
Lol i never recommended anything to begin with. The real reason i swapped to amd was i got 13900ks on launch and they were absolutely horseshit with overheating. Gave up after a year and swapped over. But i still have never seen this lagspike you talk of lol. I play shooters on settings for competitive play so maybe stuff i turn off stops it if it really does exist.
SellTemporary7344@reddit
yet you refuse to stream it because you are just lying and 13900ks runs cooler in gaming than every x3d cpu if you limit the voltage below 1.25V can still get 5.5ghz
NotEax@reddit
Lol the 13900ks on launch and for over a year were extremely bad. If you really dont know about that then you literally have zero idea what you’re talking about. That’s said enough for me to end this discussion lol.
SellTemporary7344@reddit
you had a skill issue to cool it because its not hard and now you are stuttering in every game with your THREE (probably imaginary) amd pcs
SellTemporary7344@reddit
well you are just lying
NotEax@reddit
Interesting. I did not realize that. My bad.
SellTemporary7344@reddit
https://youtu.be/fXESJi3KcNw?is=XCpeOKNA5-MySLHo people will see this and still downvote enjoy your x3d cpus guys :)
sk3tchcom@reddit
Realtek NIC issue? What does that have to do with X3D?
SellTemporary7344@reddit
wireless / wired / offline same stutter problem
sk3tchcom@reddit
Strange. Never have experienced it have a 9800X3D, 9850X3D, and 9950X3D2 rig. I have heard of the Realtek issues but that has nothing to do with X3D.
SellTemporary7344@reddit
what game you play
sk3tchcom@reddit
Fortnite
SellTemporary7344@reddit
on fortnite your 0.1% lows drop to 100-130 while on raptor lake it stays above 150 making it a more enjoyable experience
sk3tchcom@reddit
Hmm? https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9850x3d/21.html
SellTemporary7344@reddit
just open the game and test for yourself its not gonna be as good as thr website says
SellTemporary7344@reddit
or watch any x3d youtube video on fortnite that has 0.1% lows enabled
sk3tchcom@reddit
lol play more games and smoke less crack my friend. I have a channel and all I do is use my hardware to show actual live gameplay.
SellTemporary7344@reddit
you can learn from this conversation and sell your amd cpu and get a good cpu that dosnt feel stuttery :) average fps mean nothing in the real world
SellTemporary7344@reddit
the video is live gameplay
SellTemporary7344@reddit
https://youtu.be/yJdEIyQvEds?is=E_C0nxxP1iKPYOhd 110fps 0.1 entire match not even a ranked one so it will be even worse that feels so stuttery even if the averages are good
SoVerySick314159@reddit
I built my first PC in 1995. Intel of course, and every computer up until 2018 was an Intel. The Ryzen's were getting such good word-of-mouth and reviews, I read up on them, and took the plunge. Not a single problem. I literally can't tell the difference, and I paid less for more CPU. Moreover, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, the architecture was supported long enough for a CPU upgrade to be worth it! I upgraded from a 1700x to a 5700x, keeping the same RAM & motherboard. I'm still running the same computer, and plan on keeping it for a few more years. This build may end up lasting me 10 years or more, where I never got one to last more than 5 previously before I needed a new CPU/RAM/Motherboard.
AMD is not a joke these days. It's the best computer purchase I've made since my Commodore Amiga!
AlfaPro1337@reddit
No, 9800X3D is no longer the gaming king cpu it is several gens only, it is now the 9950X3D2, AMD platform aged like rotten milk, by AMD and PCMR standards..
There's the newer Ultra 7.
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Whiskeypants17@reddit
Check out the 4:50 mark or so for the baulders gate 3 fps testing. The best intel is about the same as a $200 9600x amd. The x3d cpus give a huge boost to cpu limited games... like 180fps vs 120fps in 1440p.
Intel might be better for some productivity tasks but if you just care about gaming you might be holding back your gpu by a massive 50% once you pass the 9070xt/5070ti level.
https://youtu.be/TXKyQYiLro8?si=kao_iZWiKMSoDPnx
Martiopan@reddit
Funny thread. If you didn't believe the comments you read before and regarded them as "echo chamber", why would you believe the comments answering your thread?
Express-Chemical-454@reddit (OP)
Because I’m out of the loop and I’m looking for the comments that go against the grain and fact check them to close my knowledge gap.
I’m ready to purchase the amd but my hard head is looking at the devils advocates in this thread and seeing if their opinions and points can outweigh that of the 9800x3d users. I’m reading every comment and googling simultaneously in an attempt to make an informed decision.
Celcius_87@reddit
In 2024 I went from a 10700K to a 9800X3D and the performance jump was like 80%. New PC has been very stable and cool. I highly recommend taking the leap to AMD now.
X3m9X@reddit
If u want to go for amd still, it still isnt bad either. Cuz both of the cpus are already a powerhouse as a baseline.
Its like calling a tiger slow just because you are comparing it to a cheetah.
iceseayoupee@reddit
Core 7 270k tbh, good for productivity, its cheap compared to the other line of intel cpus and its not that hard to find either
TechnoGMNG589@reddit
How intensive is ur 3D modelling? Depending on budget you might just want the top of the range gaming + productivity cpu 9950x3d.
bcs83@reddit
270k plus all day. $280 on amazon right now
Salviati_Returns@reddit
Consider this, if you had built with AM4 in 2019, you could have upgraded to a 5800x3D and it would still be a beast in 2026.
JoelD1986@reddit
I would stay away from 13th and 14th gen cpus.
My 13600k got replaced. I hope with the bios updates that the problem is realy solved. But I wouldnt take the bet if there are so much better choices.
I heard good things about the newer intel generations.
If you are mainly gaiming then nothing beats a x3d cpu. But you wont need an Ryzen 9 x3d for gaming. 9800x3d or 7800x3d are better for gaming since all the cores have access to the x3d.
They slso use less energy while gaiming then intel cpus.
aminy23@reddit
The newer Intel CPUs are made by TSMC, the same company that makes AMD CPUs. They often are more efficient as they use a newer TSMC process.
IANVS@reddit
If you get AMD, avoid X870 boards unless they're at Gigabyte Aorus Elite lever or higher. There's a lot of lane sharing between M.2 and PCIe slots and you legitimately get more functionality out of B650/850 boards. X670 would be ideal but they are hard to find nowadays...
On the side of Intel, 270K is the hype right now. Strong in both games and productivity and not expensive. Still need good cooling for it, though. Intel also has better equipped boards, if that's important to you - no lane sharing, more M.2 slots, better PCIe slot setups, etc. Even the cheapest Z890 boards like ASRock Z890 Pro-A are pretty solid.
MCJMS@reddit
The MSI x870 Tomahawk is fine u can use 1Gen 5 SSD and 1Gen 4 SSD at full bandwidth without lane sharing
aminy23@reddit
X870 is the same as B850, but adds USB 4.
The problem is that the CPU is bandwidth limited because the CPU provides the primary PCIe lanes.
So on B850 you get:
X16 GPU
X4 first M.2
* X4 second M.2
X870 has to put X4 for USB 4, but there's no extra lanes so it has to be cut from somewhere else; commonly: * Option 1 - X16 GPU is cut into: * X8 GPU * X4 Second SSD * X4 third SSD * Option 2 - Disable USB 4 turning the motherboard into B850. * Option 3: * X2 first M.2 * X2 second M.2
Gigabyte typically does Option 1.
MSI did Option 2 for the Tomahawk; it disables USB 4 turning into a B850 if you install a second NVMe.
aminy23@reddit
X870 Aorus Elite and higher like the Aorus Pro still do that.
From Gigabyte's website:
Aorus Elite: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X870-AORUS-ELITE-WIFI7-rev-10-11/sp
Aorus Pro: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X870E-AORUS-PRO-rev-10/sp
Haburashi_Art@reddit
Same as you I jumped from 9600k to an intel core ultra 7 265k. To be 100% maybe the pc boots 3-5 max longer but I got a way cheaper moba. Aside from that I am happy with the performance, I open photopea to edit pics and previously at 3 pics with 1 layer of edit the pc would freeze. Now I can open 8-10 pics. Also davinci resolve render became insanely faster. I am still ain’t convinced with amd for productivity stuff. Ah and I use excel daily with other stuff but 9600k was lag less with that most times.
Puzzleheaded-West159@reddit
Yea laptops Intel are better, but desktops the king is 9850/9950x3ds.
I mean why would you go for 13/14 when the new ultras just released, you are like going for cpus that are 3+ gens olds doesn't really make sense imo.
But ultra 250k or 270k plus are what I would go for if you want Intel build, plus they are probably cheaper
MrShItAsIaN@reddit
get the core ultra 7 270k plus man if you do 3d rendering
Snoo-11928@reddit
9800x3d !!!!!!!
comparing it to intel chips, 9800x3d uses less wattage and also gets more fps.
depending on the game of course, some games it'll pretty much be identical but then some games which really make use of the l3 cache, it has HUGE fps gains
Snoo-11928@reddit
id recommend checking some gaming/production benchmarks itll give you a great idea
Zevolta@reddit
In the same boat as you. Purely gaming for me though. My 9900k has been fantastic
CalligrapherCold364@reddit
the amd fire jokes are ancient history, 9800x3d is genuinely the best gaming cpu right now nd the data backs it up. the 13th nd 14th gen intel instability issues were real nd well documented, not just echo chamber. ur z390 loyalty was earned but for a new build right now amd is the honest recommendation
MCJMS@reddit
No the best gaming CPU is the 9850x3D get your facts straight the 9800x3D was 2025s King the 9850x3D was released in Feb this year and it is faster than the old king hense its the new King
Zidern@reddit
Nowadays Intel is the fire hazard, not AMD..
Advanced_Cod2994@reddit
AMD has the best high end CPUs, and for the low end CPUs you 150% wanna go for amd as well, upgrade path is great, you don't have to change mobo every gen, and the CPU prices deprecated for am4, so even good CPUs cost like 100-150, I got a 3700x for abt 85aud, which is still a bit high but kinda cheap. AMD all the way (from a converted intel user lmao)
EirHc@reddit
> Growing up there was a running gag that if you had an AMD, your pc was going to catch fire or just catastrophically break
You definitely didn't grow up in my era. 40 years old, Athalon was by far the superior choice to Pentium 4 when I was buying computer parts with my high school job money. I've been back and forth with Intel and AMD over the years. Now instead of buying the king of the budget, I just go with the king of gaming performance. It's been AMD for quite a long time now again.
George_Mallory@reddit
AMD has really grown up and learned to shine while Intel is losing metaphorical door plugs on their metaphorical airplanes and then denying that they have a problem.
I’ve used mostly Intel my entire life and I switched to AMD to get a 9800X3D in my latest computer because of the 13th-14th gen Intel chip problems. I really like it. It’s super performant, yes, but also it runs very cool. All my Intel chips thermal-throttled and I absolutely hated it. The 9800X3D has a TDP about half that of a Core i9, and its individual thread speed is faster. I gave mine an Intel-grade air cooler and now it multithreads games on full with max temps of 70C. Single thread games run below 60C. Dwarf Fortress plus music plus web browsing plus running my second monitor off the iGPU runs at 57C and only pulls 120 watts. It’s awesome, if you can afford it.
X3m9X@reddit
Reading your other comments, if you already have AIO cooling, then Core 7 270k plus is VERY appealing.
I recommend that cpu since you clearly hold onto your parts for a long time so platform longevity holds less value (Which i assume you will do the same with this platform).
However, since ddr5 prices are a bitch. I also recommend going top of the line intel/amd ddr4 setup. You can reuse your ram there and save abit more money.
Express-Chemical-454@reddit (OP)
I’m really out of the loop. This is the first time I heard of the core 7. I thought the newest was core ultra.
Why the core 7 and not the core 9. From a quick google the core 7 is given great praise but the core 9 isn’t received well
strange_like@reddit
The Core Ultra 7 270K+ is almost the exact same chip as the Ultra 9 285K - they did a refresh recently for the U5 and U7 but not the U9, so the 270K+ is pretty much top dog for Intel desktop processors. I just picked one up from micro center a couple weeks ago and it’s a fantastic upgrade from my old Ryzen 3600.
X3m9X@reddit
The core 9 is severely overpriced compared to the 270k plus. Iirc the performance jump between them is minimal
InfiniteStream@reddit
Intel since the 90s here. Tried the 9800X3D, but I am goung back to Intel. AMD is only energy efficient under load, but Intel is energy efficient on Desktop, so most of the time.
fslslayer@reddit
Depends on use case. Amd or intel don't matter if u are using a 4k monitor. You will be gpu bound.
Reviews-From-Me@reddit
I use a 7700x for gaming and 3D modeling. Works fantastic. If imagine going up to the 9800X3D would be more than enough unless you are running a professional studio.
Dphotog790@reddit
if FPS games pvp AMD if single player doesnt matter. If you primarily all you do is edit intel. according to folks they have fixed the issue with 13/14 gen but you need the most recent bios. DDr5 is not cheap. When the cache on a x3d chip works its so good for fps on games.
Express-Chemical-454@reddit (OP)
What would be better for the amount of processing a vr sim rig would push out at 144hz 4K
ssuper2k@reddit
4k 144: 5090 for sure 270k will be the wisest is you do 50% apps
IANVS@reddit
For 4K, get the strongest GPU you can afford, really. CPU doesn't play much of a role at 4K, whichever you get the fps differences among them are marginal. I'd also get an NVidia if you're doing VR, it handles it better.
OkSystem455@reddit
My first PC had an AMD Am486 DX4-120. It was no slouch compared to Intel's 486's.
Unless new, 13th and 14th Gen are best to be avoided.
Other generations...it's a matter of pricing. When I got the itch to build back in November 2025, the AI-Ramageddon was raging upwards, so I dug into my spare parts box/closet and pulled out Ivy Bridge era parts that actually resulted in surprising functional, albeit low-end, STEAM MACHINE interpretations originally on Garuda Dr46onized Gaming before settling on CachyOS.
My "modern" PC is a Ryzen 5 5600/Intel ARC B580/32GB DDR4 3200/Win11 Pro. So, IMHO, how cheaply I can get the parts is more important than one maker or the other,..part of the hobby is making potato PCs actually run "modern" software at an effective and functional level be it Intel or AMD.
jetstrea87@reddit
I went Intel solely that my brother had reformated his pc 2 times. Some odd reason my friend did too. I have heard the AMD drivers are unstable vs Intel drivers are good. I went with 12900KS for my first and 14900K for the second. However if you plan on going 12-14th gen get contact bracket for the processor (about $7), this will prevent it from warping and killing your cpu. KS models consume 25 watts more vs K more and you only get a bit more performance with cpu running hotter. To be safe I threw in also a 420mm aio.
AnApexBread@reddit
The X3Ds are really good because their L3 cache is larger than another CPU.
For games with a lot of moving parts that L3 Cache really shows. It also really helps when you are using 5600Mhz RAM instead of 6000MHz.
scmitr@reddit
I'm perfectly satisfied with my air-cooled 14700K that I've been using for almost 3 years now without issues. If I will update my system I'd 100% go intel again.