Why do we get no votes in the eurovision song contest?

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lsobe@reddit

Our song was utter garbage this year. It wasn’t even fun enough to be in the novelty category

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ShortDevelopment905@reddit

Because we take the piss and Europe knows it. We sell some of the world's greatest music, and Europe expects these artists to turn up. Then we send Dave from Grimsby with a song he wrote himself.

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Because the songs we send are not very good. Look at if we take it seriously and send a decent song like with Sam Ryder a couple of years ago and we actually did well. If Russia hadn’t invaded Ukraine we would have won

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TSPF11@reddit

Glad someone said it! Sick of this excuse “EuRoPe HaTeS uS” they really don’t 90% of people voting are doing it for their genuinely favourite performance regardless of what country they’re from.

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GrabbedByTheGhost@reddit

No they really don't 😂

It's all political.

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LongsandsBeach@reddit

Yet Israel came second and regularly does well.

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GrabbedByTheGhost@reddit

Yes...

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LongsandsBeach@reddit

The European public aren’t particularly pro-Israel

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BeatificBanana@reddit

In general, no, most of the European public aren't pro israel.

However, all the people who are anti-israel are going to be splitting their votes between various other countries.

But the people who do feel strongly pro-israel are ALL going to give all 10 of their votes to Israel to make a point. Meaning Israel ends up getting a bigger proportion of the votes.

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Vertigo_uk123@reddit

I read that apparently the Israeli government also ran a massive multi lingual ad campaign targeting Eurovision viewers / people that searched for Eurovision etc. not sure how true it is but given their expertise I wouldn’t put it past them. Can you imagine the data. If Israel hosted it and every person attending had to submit their devices for analysis. They would get a lot of data from around the world easily

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Snoo-41808@reddit

Comit mass genocide, come second in Eurovision, noted.

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BeatificBanana@reddit

Unfortunately, that is the reason behind the large amount of votes yeah

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GrabbedByTheGhost@reddit

Some of them absolutely are. Especially the Slavic states who are notoriously anti-muslim - a point which became very evident during the Yugoslav wars. Poland also enjoys strong ties with lots of businesses linked to Tel Aviv thanks to the Jewish diaspora there post-WW2.

If you don't know about these nuances, you really should.

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MadmanBimbo@reddit

90%?

You think the Israel votes were genuine votes from people with no religious/political affiliations living in other countries?

In America, we associate Britain 🇬🇧 with all things sexy and cool. This year the favorite to win Eurovision was Finland 🇫🇮, and the actual winner was Bulgaria 🇧🇬. I can guarantee you that most Americans could not find either of those countries on a map.

Has the same neurodivergence/auadhd with tourettes (body ticks not verbal). The burnout and implosion is very real. I got the ND without the talent, or sense of humour.

Honestly we should start sending weird niche stuff rather than just Europop which we don't have artists for

I want to see Trash Boat up on stage shirtless doing stage dives, at least we'd garner some attention

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Send for Joe Hendry

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LordBoomDiddly@reddit

Just send a band like Steps, catchy songs and good dance routines like we used to have back in the day.

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Timothy_Claypole@reddit

We sent Scooch, a Steps clone. They didn't win either

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GAdvance@reddit

Cowardice, far too similar to something that will already be on the stage with a continental accent.

It's far more interesting for everyone if what we send is utterly against the grain in every way for the competition, incredibly talented and actually represents the incredible UK music talent pool.

🤦

Fellow German: the counting is what gets me. Some people in these discussions behave as if counting one, two, three in a different language is some sort of grand feat.

It isn't. Why would we be impressed?? I can count to three in about 10 languages, and that isn't special either.

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Kimowi@reddit

Yep, like I didn’t expect us to win, but I did kind of expect it to score okay. It wasn’t great but it was kinda Eurovision-y. I at least expected some points from Germany simply because it was partially in German.

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LordBoomDiddly@reddit

Who knows what to expect anymore? The best song last year by a mile was Sweden and they didn't win.
This year at least was a first time win for a country, and it was catchy enough. Helps if you wear a tiny skirt and have big boobs though

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daizeUK@reddit

Ironically, the Germans sang in English

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Ok_Yam_4023@reddit

I think the Ukrainian song was better and so did many others. That's why they won. Better song. More talent.

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FirstAndOnly1996@reddit

If Russia hadn’t invaded Ukraine we would have won

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.

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Actual-Tower8609@reddit

That's nonsense. The idea that we, every year, are worth 1 point compared to all the others getting 100, 200, 300 is clearly not true.

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AlexSniff7@reddit

Well we don't know if we would have won.

Ukraine was already high in the odds before the invasion
We don't know how the points would have been distributed - Spain could have easily won

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ExoticExchange@reddit

Yes if you do the maths and presume Ukraine was inflated from song that would score mid (4-7 points) to 12 points across the board then Spain would have won. Chanel would have gone from 10 to 12 points in many televotes whilst our televote score would either not increase or just go up by 1 point.

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shark-with-a-horn@reddit

Somebody worked out who would have won without Ukraine, giving Ukraine's votes to the next popular with that country, and we wouldn't have won

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Inside_Performance32@reddit

We came 2nd because it was rigged , they new Ukraine couldn't hold it so the 2nd place would pay out to do it .

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Didn't Ukraine pay a bit of that, I seem to recall they split the bill because Vlad was buggering about in their back yard and had to relocate.

Perhaps there was more kudos for being charitable to outweigh the cost. Different budget or something.

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audigex@reddit

I can't find any evidence of Ukraine contributing

We paid £25 million as the hosting costs

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audigex@reddit

Winning would be financially crippling

Why would a serious act take part?

They don't need the publicity, and it can only look bad on them if they do badly because of political voting

There's also the fact that famous acts actually tend to underperform - eg Delta Goodrem had a great song and Australia is pretty popular, but came fourth despite being expected (based on historical voting and the song) to be fighting for the win

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Connell95@reddit

Because getting serious artists from the UK to take part is hard.

CourtneyLush@reddit

At least Lithuania were mildly entertaining, with that whole 'Phantom of the Opera' meets 'Nosferatu' shtick. Our one was forgettable and as dull as dishwater.

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dr_wtf@reddit

I didn't watch it. Just looked them up. The Lithuanian entry was actually pretty good. The lighting design was great and all else aside, that guy can sing. The UK one was utter shite in every conceivable way (and seemed to be trying very hard, and failing, to reference Kraftwerk in some way).

Germany has also done pretty badly over the past 10 years.

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Els236@reddit

- Political BS always happens (ex: Greece and Cyprus exchanging 12 points)

- The act we sent is not a good live-performer and did not have good vocals on the night.

- The act we sent is known for making whacky homebrew instruments, none of which he was allowed to have on stage. This led to crap staging and him not representing anything he's known for.

- The "dumb fun" songs either do amazingly well or get last. They tend to do well IF and only IF they gain traction on social media or something, ours didn't. The BBC didn't even play it on the radio afaik. A good example is Tommy Cash last year, who already had a fairly decent following on social media.

- As one of the "big five", we get auto-inclusion without going through voting, so the BBC or whoever pick an act they like, and that's that. If we did have to go through the process, I doubt we would have even gotten into the main event much in the last \~25 years (we did do well in the late 90s).

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According-Face-3214@reddit

We are really so loved in Europe!

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Davski88@reddit

Song was absolutely shocking. Not sure what people expected.

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Agreed lol we actually couldn’t make out what he was saying for most of it

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Frogad@reddit

Soldi, Arcade, Zitti e buoni, are all way more memorable lyrically

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Breakfastcrisis@reddit

It seemed to be, I’m bored with my job, let’s get a pizza with pepperoni and count in German, also karaoke for some reason.

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MoodyMango4880@reddit

I think if we’d entered the Pub song from SNL Uk we’d have done better than we did

nil point

The phrase is "nul points". After 70 years, can people at least say the fucking phrase correctly?

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BeatificBanana@reddit

They don't care how it's spelled.

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OkMind2351@reddit

Everyone hates the English

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italia0101@reddit

Came second in 2022 with Sam rider.

VirtualMatter2@reddit

Nobody hates you. It's just that your contributions are really bad.

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Junior-Shallot-2702@reddit

Look at what we sent this year. I'm convinced they purposely send utter shite so we don't have to host, it's completely unfair honestly, the public should have some input at least. I'm more disgusted about a certain country participating than us losing though to be fair. I refuse to watch it anymore because of that.

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DeKrieg@reddit

The UK doesnt do a decent pre eurovision national song contest, A lot of the other euro entries do and the ones that have consistently finished in the left hand all do, they may not necessarily win, but countries like Italy, norway and finland etc have full public contests to select their entries.

Its not even about quality, but more so about finding artists with stage presence and songs that work on a large stage, artists who go through a national competition develop a much better feel for performing to a live audience on eurovision's scale and the songs are much better tailored to that scale.

This double hurts the UK because as one of the big 5 they dont have to go through the semis officially.

A reoccuring problem for the UK entries has been with the exception of Sam Ryder is they've lacked stage presence. Something that has continued this year, a lot of comments I saw about the UK entry was that despite the energy and stage design the bass felt weak and the song lacked impact.

They're not alone in that factor, Ireland has suffered a similar issue prior to the boycott because we select our entries via a goddamn talkshow, so most of our entries tend to jump from a much smaller stage to eurovision's massive size and get drowned out in the semis. Again we bucked this trend when we sent a larger act 2 years ago.

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BieDiee@reddit

The song is about an office worker who likes and pepperoni on his pizza and has a habit of counting in German. Seemed pretty obvious /s

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booroms@reddit

There's definitely the fact the continent hate us, but we just don't put our best foot forward any of the time. We sent Sam Ryder a couple years back with a great song and a great performance and he did very well but it's not often we do anything like that. This year we sent a youtouber who isn't a great vocalist or songwriter (he's a good electronic musician - he's great at what he does but it's not what you want for eurovision) and we lost because of it.

The thing is the UK produces a massive amount of musical talent but most of our artists can't afford to waste time on eurovision because it's a huge commitment that they could spend the time touring or recording instead

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chris--p@reddit

Nobody hates us this is nonsense.

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Inside_Performance32@reddit

We sent crap acts , but the continent do hate us , I know this from being married to someone from it and travelling alot .

We're literally joint second (albeit with 4 other countries) for most wins.

It's almost like it helps to have a large population in your near neighbour (historically, ethnic Russians in the former USSR states) or strong historical bonds (especially in relatively new states).

The song was absolutely awful. Just terrible. I don’t say this lightly - it made me ashamed to be British.

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minipainteruk@reddit

Usually I think we send singers who don't have mass appeal. It's like we can't work out who our audience is and so we just don't appeal to anyone.

Yup this.

When we send something good we do well (see Sam Ryder) we do well.

Imagine you sat down to watch a Eurovision from the past in full and you were able to hide which country was which.

At the end - two hours of kitsch gimmicky all singing all dancing on ice - you wrote down five songs you remembered and one or two details about them.

MASunderc0ver@reddit

Cus it was one of the worst songs of the night. Simple as that.

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mspjulian@reddit

As bad as the winning song surely

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squishyle@reddit

A fair comment. Did you hear the Bulgarian singer explain the meaning of bangaranga? It’s all just BS.

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cannedrex2406@reddit

I was mentioning this to my friends, but shes obviously very talented with great stage presence, good looks and a really good voice with solid vocals.

I just hated the song. It felt like a Bulgarian version of a Katseye song, which works if you're into it, but you'll hate it if you aren't.

But by the end, I didn't even care as I just wanted it to win

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Amazing-Visual-2919@reddit

We do get votes when we have a good song.

Internet-Dick-Joke@reddit

Why would it be "nil"?

Nil means 'zero', and is more frequently used in common English, such as in sports.

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sheepandlambs@reddit

But it's French. Why would they use an English word?

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Internet-Dick-Joke@reddit

You're in the UK sub, discussing UK eurovision results, and result are given in both English French. That is why they were using the English. 'Nul Points' isn't used in any official announcement, just one the commentary.

You're just being the same kind of pretentious prick that insists on over-pronouncing Italian words from the menu in Bella Italia.

We usually send crap singers with crap songs.

When we send good singers with good songs we actually do well.

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ChoreomaniacCat@reddit

I'm surprised they didn't learn from Sam Ryder. Great song sung by a phenomenal singer and came very close to winning for the first time in a long time. Then right back to the same poor songs after.

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auntie_eggma@reddit

Because it didn't win, so they can't think past that to how well it did.

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Most? As in....Malta, Ireland, Cyprus and Gibraltar?

Is that what you mean when you say "most of the countries in Eurovision have literal holidays celebrating liberation from the british empire’s oppression….."

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shanloulie@reddit

only 22 counties in the world haven’t been invaded by britain throughout history, my estimation of those having actual holidays might not be most but enough of europe have distasteful views about the uk historically and today i don’t understand why it’s such a shock that no one fucking likes us

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FirstAndOnly1996@reddit

So the whole "countries that haven't been invaded by Britain" map that floats about is iffy because it has very liberal views of what constitutes an invasion. Second point - the a lot of the countries in Europe were JUST as bad as we were in terms of imperialism. So no, most of the countries in Eurovision do not have literal holidays celebrating liberation from us lmao

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shanloulie@reddit

thanks google but who asked you?

we’re literally a step away from the us and israel in international views my point still stands no one likes us for a reason lmao

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Ok-Doubt-6324@reddit

You've moved the goalposts to suit your argument. You're original comment was about the Eurovision countries having literal holidays about being liberated from the oppression of the British Empire. Now you say it's about the the rest of the world, that isn't even in the Eurovision contest.

You're a typical Redditor account. You swap around what you say to try and trick people into thinking you're in the right and anyone who argues with you is in the wrong - when you're just a liar.

I don't even think you are British btw.

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shanloulie@reddit

i admit my original comment was wrong but my overall point here stands that historically the uk aren’t people’s favourites for some pretty big reasons that don’t go away when we sing a shit song

No it’s the other way around. We seem super out of touch with sending songs that would do well

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No-Bass8742@reddit

Beloved singer? Sam Ryder was a youtube singer that had no hits prior to Eurovision. The song was great and the singer did great so you did well. End of

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kilgore_trout1@reddit

Are you kidding? Ours was really bad lol

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Fehnder@reddit

I mean politics. But we were also terrible.

Europe has quite a distinct music scene, usually the winners have been playing non stop across the clubs and bars in Europe. Euphoria was HUGE already before it won Eurovision.

The uk just isn’t part of that scene.

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LongsandsBeach@reddit

Israel is far more politically controversial than the UK and came second.

Russia was doing well even after annexing Crimea too.

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FirstAndOnly1996@reddit

Russia was doing well even after annexing Crimea too.

The biggest mistake is that you don't have a competition to select a song, so you dont even know if the voting public would like it.

It is some random people selecting a random act, while other countries do a televised competition over a few months period where a winner is selected by public and jury.

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Sam Ryder did pretty well in 2022 and deservedly so.

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Hawk-432@reddit

It’s because no serious act from the UK will take part (this year we have an objectively bad song), and also because most the voting is a mix of local favouritism, politics and sex appeal. Don’t take it hard. I live now in Vienna. From UK. Watched with a bunch of nationalities. Me and the Germans were just laughing at our low votes, because obviously we get low votes ;)

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Adm_Shelby2@reddit

I am from the UK and don't understand why we got no votes

New to this are you?

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BeatificBanana@reddit

They already answered that in their post, they said that they don't follow the Eurovision song contest.

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LongjumpingLab3092@reddit

"Is there tactical voting" 100% new

Next question is "why did greece and cyprus give 12 points to each other" 😂

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AllRedLine@reddit

A double-whammy of the facts that we're not very well liked as a nation in Europe, and we invariably send shit songs, and this year it was especially bad - almost as bad as the one from 2 years ago.

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LordBoomDiddly@reddit

Because our acts suck

And we were second in 2022, why would that be if no-one likes us?

Israel is probably the most unpopular country in the world and just finished in 2nd place

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Thrilalia@reddit

Because the UK sends crappy songs out there, then they get very few points to which brings in complaints about "Europe is mean and hates us for no reason." BS. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd think it was deliberate to stirr up the public. But it's mostly down to the UK music groups considering it beneath them and a place groups go to die.

Sometimes the UK does send a good song and *gasps* they do well!

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Embarrassed_Put_7892@reddit

Everyone whines and whinges about political voting and conveniently skips over the fact that our songs are shite. Sam Ryder was great! And because it was great, it got votes. Last year’s was horrible. Horrible song about nothing at all with a lot of wailing. There were some absolutely great songs last year - Sweden, Finland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands - Albania was awesome - they were all great! And then you compare ours and it’s just schlock.

The notion that things that happen in the world can only ever be explained by a single fact is so silly. He did well for multiple reasons.

Sam Ryder sang a great song. The performance on the day was decent. He had built up popularity via social media. The UK was also a vocal and early supporter of Ukraine.

FormalComplaints@reddit

The UK guy is kindof famous on youtube (lookmomnocomputer) for doing music with modular synthesizers, which is very oldschool and hard.

The song is basically about how he comes alive when he fiddles with these synthesizers and how he dislikes computers among other things.

I only know this because I follow his YT channel, otherwise there is zero possibility of deciphering that from the performance or song for unaware people.

The song is also probably arranged on a modular synth, which makes it impressive technically, but there is a reason why people write songs on computers these day.

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vivaldibot@reddit

Just s few words from an ESC superpower: we love you guys but you keep sending mediocre acts most years. Which is really a choice because you have so much amazing talent. Would love to see you take it more seriously and succeed.

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merryman1@reddit

I liked the song but it wasn't exactly a banger for a huge flashy arena crowd.

Would love to see us send something more fitting to the size of the stage. Skindred could be great. I think Lynks would do real well.

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Gbrown546@reddit

Did you hear our song? It was absolutely shite. The one time we sent a good song in a few years ago, we came 2nd

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Illustrious-Elk-1305@reddit

My theory is that Eurovision is so uncool that no talented UK musician who cares about their reputation would want to have anything to do with it (with the very occasional exception).

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Replying to my__socrates__note...it’s out of 35 countries for the votes

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Cleffah@reddit

Because we're shit and embarassing and nobody likes us.

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MinimumSilver5814@reddit

We’re not very good at making the twee, camp Europop that the continent likes, and outside of one day in May a year that’s a good thing.

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SelectiveScribbler06@reddit

Our style is snarky, witty and... I can't think of how to describe it right now, but it's identifiably from the UK. But the Continent is too sentimental for us; we always like to puncture said sentimentality if we can. It is anathema to us.

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People have said that for years. But 3 years ago we sent a good act and came second (would have won if it wasn’t for russia invading Ukraine) so all the conspiracy theorists are wrong.

Yes there’s a lot of dodgy voting going on. Greece voting for Cyprus, Cyprus voting for Greece etc.

But across the whole thing, generally the best song / performance usually wins.

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Key_Discipline9428@reddit

Honestly, most of the entries from the UK are awful in my opinion. Not denying there's politics involved in Eurovision (there always is), but we usually send some of the weakest submissions. It's disingenuous to claim it's entirely due to EU countries picking on us.

Look at how most of the EU songs are selected. It's a totally different process, and one that seems to result in much stronger acts getting through.

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Khaleesi1536@reddit

All the anti-Israel comments are getting deleted by mods, which is honestly gross of them

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Peskycat42@reddit

I would like to see what would happen if we sent Lucy Spraggan with her original Xfactor audition of Last Night.

MickoDicko@reddit

Step A: be a colonial empire that partook in multiple genocides

Step B: support and never criticise israel for being a genocidal colonial power.

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tx1998@reddit

The songs we put out aren’t anywhere near as good as countries normally in the top 5, save for a few notable entries like Sam Ryder’s Space Man. In those cases we are scored correctly imho. A lot of the cultural/political differences with UK culture also mean that some songs don’t really resonate with other countries as much as here (think Mae Muller’s I Wrote a Song’).

France monroe - winnner of Prodiges, the massive French television competition for young classical musicians

And so on ....you got jist

Meanwhile Sam is great but definitely not as established for UK it would be equivalent of sending Adele lol.

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AlexSniff7@reddit

Because we don't get behind our own artists.

Before even hearing a snippet of any music it's "bet we get no points again" and no matter what we send people here still hate it.

We sent something quirky and different this year. If Greece or Moldova sent it everyone would love it. But we have to dislike it because it's ours???

If we can't support our act then why do we expect Europe to???

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Rowanx3@reddit

I just dont think our song was worth 1 point when you look at espresso macchiato coming 3rd last year.

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Khaleesi1536@reddit

Our song was shit and everyone hates us. Ps fuck Israel ✌🏻

Kakthuuus@reddit

Have to wonder at the calibre of people who choose the song to put forward to represent the UK!

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RohanDavidson@reddit

luddites, based on this years entry

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jenzfin@reddit

That's the last thing you can call him since he builds stuff like the furby organ etc. Definitely not a luddite 😁

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RohanDavidson@reddit

Ah I wasn't looking that deep. Just the "no computer" part

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GrabbedByTheGhost@reddit

A classic combination of;

A) our song is shit

B) everyone in the E hates us

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Fioreborn@reddit

No, our entries are just a bit shit.

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We didn't get no votes. That's not how it works.

The countries only give points to their top 10, but hypothetically we could have come 11th in every ranking, which is a good sign of popularity, but doesn't lead to points.

We did get 1 point from the Ukranian jury though.

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FireWhiskey5000@reddit

Our songs are often underwhelming and even if they’re ok they’re rarely ones you’d put in the top 10 so don’t pick up any votes.

There’s geopolitics in it too. But often the songs are poor or the staging is poor or both.

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RadicalDilettante@reddit

When all the post-soviet countries joined we should've gone with top British folk/roots artists like Eliza Carthy or Kate Rusby - which would've appealed. Instead we've just gone for bubblegum pop.

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NekoFever@reddit

The song was shit and no one likes us. You can still do alright with a good song when the latter is true (we came second in 2022), but a terrible song is a recipe for 0 points.

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RohanDavidson@reddit

The UK dominates the commercial music scene in Europe, or at least that is the perception. So this comp is a bit of a slap back

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The song being atrocious could have something to do with it.

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Khaleesi1536@reddit

Our song was shit and everyone hates us. Ps fuck Israel ✌🏻

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